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>>this is outrageous! [[vo]]cenk uygur calls out the mainstream media. like, "ho-hum, no big deal." we've have no choice, we've lost our democracy here. just refreshing to hear. no other television show does that. we're keeping it real. david slew galoth alec has gone
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into rope a dope mode backs off from all noneconomic issues meaning it is giving up the fight on new voter id and stand your ground laws. this after the opposition successfully urged coca-cola and others to cut ties with alec. the executive director said his group was, and i quote: but it is too little too late. 32 states already after alec-backed voter id laws on the state. joining me now is shelton, senior vice president for policy and advocacy and the naacp. thanks for your time tonight. >> it's great to with be with you. >> first how did you do it? you took an organization that is behind so much legislation and got companies to say enough and then the organization backed
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down. what made this work? >> in many ways educating the public on what they were doing behind closed doors. most people hadn't heard of alec until we began to raise the pro file and how it affects people directly. it was all about education, shining the bright light and making people see or helping people see the correction between their daily lives how that has changed and how alec has worked through the state legislators to make such a problematic difference. >> and we're at a point where these companies are very concerned about their public image. companies like that said why are we involved in this? the public doesn't want consumer companies to be involved in these sorts of battles. so what is next in this campaign
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why else can you go with this? >> quite frankly the bottom line now is we have to reverse the damage that alec has caused. if we look at the states across the country where african-americans and others will be locked out of the ability to vote because of their id bills, but also we need to repeal those very nasty troubling, and dangerous stand your ground laws. we have people walking the streets now that are concerned that because of the new enhanced form of so-called self-defense, that now people can challenge them shoot them as we saw happen in sanford, florida and actually get away with it. so we still have repairs to do across the coin try. >> let's start with the voter id laws. is there an effort afoot in any state legislatures to say let's take another look and reconsider
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some of these voter id statutes that really violate the civil right statutes and simply should never have been passed in the first place? >> i agree with you. there have never been coalitions on the ground that include the naacp and other organizations trying to repeal these actions. and even with these new unless obstacles in place, registered voters, and make sure they are able to get out to the polls and vote on election day. we'll continue to move these unnecessary obstacles out of the way, while at the same time we'll continue to work and hopefully alec will find someplace in their heart to help make sure these americans they worked so hard to lock out of the franchise will be able to vote in the 2012 election. >> alec and the supporter of the
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alec are so desperate because they see this image of fraud in any voting booth which honestly isn't there, yet when it comes to fraud in the financial markets all they want to do is repeal the anti-fraud laws. have you ever underthis tension? >> i don't. all we'll see is a power grab. utilizing the tools that they put in place. the point you are making is absolutely right. at the same time they are moving to disenfranchise americans. we're seeing a different kind of very narrowly tailored approach that disenfranchised as a tool for empowerment. >> the stand your ground laws a horrifying set of laws but law enforcement leadership opposed,
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pushed by the nra, opposed by law enforcement. it seems to me there you have a great opportunity to go to coalition pushing to repeal a law that right now everybody should understand. >> right now we're working with people like mayor bloomberg and a coalition of mayors across the country. at a time when mayors and other city officials are struggling to be able to make ends meet to put police officers on the street to provide the protection. we have a law moving forward that even those police officers oppose, because they saw the potential for the kinds of problems that we saw in florida. change to make our communities safer still. >> seems to me there is also an opportunity to build a coalition
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with a whole bunch of state controllers who control the shares that are owned by public pensions. to go to companies, whomever it may be and say, look we don't want to take positions on any political issues just stay away from them. we own you through public shares, just don't get involved in this stuff. are you interested in moving forward in that way, kind of building that coalition as well? >> well certainly wants me want to build a coalition for all of those interested and concerned about these issues. and when we talk about these kind of products we're talking about things that everybody uses on a daily basis. coca-cola, kraft it's people making decisions about what they are going to buy in this very competitive consumer atmosphere it makes a difference who they are buying this from and what they are using to spend that
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money on. i think there's an opportunity to work with the companies of goodwill. some have worked with organizations like ours before to try to make a real difference that helps all americans. >> macaroni and cheese by kraft it's all over our cabinets home. all right. hilary shelton, senior vice president for policy and advocacy and the naacp appreciate your incites tonight. >> nice being with you.u.u.u.u.u.u.u.u.u.u.u.u.u.u.u.u.u.u.u.u.u.u.u.u.u.u.u. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] the jeep grand cherokee has won more than just respect. ♪ ♪ well-qualified lessees can get a 2012 jeep grand cherokee laredo 4x4 for $319 a month.
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coming up the economic recovery continues but who is ak wlly recovering the most in if you guessed though middle class, you would be wrong. but first rush limbaugh being rush limbaugh, ted nugent being ted new gent and bill o'reilly being steve erwin? when it doesn't fit anywhere else we put it in the
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viewfinder. >> the good news is america is not just made up of the people you see on the news who have done something unusual. >> last time i was down under i helped catch a tiger shark off of the great barrier reef. >> typically what they have done has not been real good, and that is also in the news. >> after i lost my grandchild i slept like a baby. >> fire pit. >> we have patriots. we have brave heart. we need into ride into that battlefield and chop their heads off in november. >> if you said the -- you don't know what the -- you are talk about. >> woe. what were you doing? >> we weren't on the air. >> yeah we really were. >> why are we not on the air right now? >> we have on the air right now.
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>> okay. good. >> the tape doesn't lie. >> women are the big drive this campaign year and both sides are fell epian-in i to win it. >> you are a big tipper of the shampoo girls. what do you tip her? >> i give her 3 bucks. >> the real reason women pursue careers is because they fear they are too unattractive to get married. >> women like us when you go home you want the guy to be in charge, and -- >> oh my god! my god! >> i love the fact that women are talking about deficit spending, and the economy. i love that. >> do you like it when he is rough! >> wow! [ laughter ] >> wow! [ censor bleep ] >> i'm beginning to understand
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why some of these other shows get such good ratings. the middle class in danger of being replaced by machines. there are it's completely inappropriate for television. [ male announcer ] cookies with smooth caramel and chocolate. ♪ ♪ hmm twix. also available in peanut butter.
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very top or very bottom there's nothing in between. >> there is a body of economic research which i think shows what we all see happening around us and is that the impact of technological change is to get rid of the jobs in the middle. routine tasks that computers can do a classic example is a travel agent. that used to be a pretty reasonable white collar job. when is the last time you used a travel agent -- you still do. >> you know what maybe -- we do, because she's wonderful and we're not going to abandon her. but i understand what you are saying. most people go on to a website and make their own reservations. >> and it is happening in manufacturing manufacturing, and in the legal profession. those jobs are being hollowed out in the middle. the jobs that are left are
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non-routine manual like collecting the garbage, chopping up onions or the non-routine jobs at the very top like slicing and dicing securities. >> slicing dicing onions, or slicing and dicing securities. so you have unique skills at the very top or the very bottom. >> yes. those are the jobs that are left, but what it means is the middle class is being hollowed out. all of the jobs in the middle that really created the america we think of in the 50s and 60s, those are being eroded. as this technology has emerged we also have the impact of globalization which mean those jobs in the middle, now thatry disappearing for that reason as well. >> that's right. if a machine isn't taking it away maybe a lower-paid worker
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in china is. this polar iedzation of jobs happens in sharp bursts and those sharp bursts are recessions. so if people feel like the recover isn't doing it for them that's because this is one of those moments. >> that to me was one of the fascinating points in your article. really what happens you get to a recession and suddenly because people are forced to contract they figure out how to do it differently, and the other jobs don't come back. let me bring in washington post columnist, harold meyerson, explain why -- where this comes from and if anything can be done about it. >> it comes in large part from what you have been discussing the i haves ration of middle
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income jobs. health services home care workers, that's 70% of the jobs being created in the last six months. most of the jobs in manufacturing, are being scaled down to the wages we associate with southern manufacturing. caterpillar is opening a plant in indiana which is paying 12 to $14 an hour to assemble very technically sophisticated locomotives. we are seeing the down scaling of middle income jobs in america, and a lot of that is because -- not only because of the reasons you have discussed thus far, but also because unionization in the private sector is down 7%. so employers have no need to bar -- bargain with workers, and the 7% in unions have very little bargaining power. >> because there is technological pressure and
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overseas competition, hence the union is not in a position to negotiate terribly effectively. and the manufacturing jobs coming back to the united states, those jobs are now at a significant lower wage level. what had the average wage been at general motors compared to now. do you know? >> sure? . it was $28 an hour then. and it's $15 an hour now. the contract says the highest you can go is 19. you are never going to see 28. so people making between 25 and $30,000 a year. >> so this is -- to come back to chrystia freeland's point the
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eviseratono of the middle class. >> do you want a society like this? if people on top doing really really well and people on the bottom doing much, much less well than before? personally my answer is no i don't want that. and i think you'll have to have some form of government support. >> herald do you agree with that in if we decide people should be earning wages significantly higher do you raise the minimum wage impose tariffs, what are the policy levers you can push? >> senator tom hark inthe democrat of iowa has introduced legislation which would raise minimum wage to $9.83 an hour. and most american jobs aren't in local competition. they are service-sector jobs here. for that i think we need to make it safe again for american
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workers to join unions which they have the right to do under the national labor relations act. but in real life they can be fired. so i think that's one of the key ways to bring up wages in the very battled middle of the american economy. >> there was a fascinating article in which it was distinguished between the tradeable and non-tradeable sectors. in the tradeable sector there had been not only no net job creation, but wages were being driven down. in the non-tradeable sector 20-plus million new jobs and that is theoretically where wages would be pushed up. so is there something that could be done there? >> sure but the reality is that non-tradeable sector is the place where these lousy jobs are being created. i do agree that unions could be -- have a big structural
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impact but i don't think it's going to be enough. because the fact that this tradeable sector -- those manufacturing jobs -- those high-paying unionized manufacturing jobs were the backbone of the american middle class, so i think you need to think about how about universal single pay health care that people don't have to pay for. that would take a lot of strain off of the middle class. >> you are right. herald last word to you, if you could do one thing to begin to confront what you have diagnosed what would it be? >> making it easier for workers to join unions but what chrystia says is right too. >> all right. thank you very much both for your time. 41 years ago, john kerry asked the question about vietnam how do you ask a man to be the last
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with one million signatures demanding his recall it seems scott walker isn't too popular in wisconsin. or so you would think. first let's go to "the war room" and check in with jennifer grandholm. what have you got for us tonight? >> thanks, eliot. what do grassroots activists and nuns and documentary filmmakers all have in common? they are all examples of david's slaying goliath. it's the theme of our show tonight, and we'll have the davids on set as you have been talking about. another one up for the good guys against alec. and you are aware the president called for annen to oil speculation. we'll talk about that. and what is being done with
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afghanistan has almost become the forgotten war. the question john kerry asked 41 years ago about vietnam, how do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake is beginning to sound quite relevant especially every week when i read the names of u.s. casualties and after i read the powerful article about the 6,500 suicides every year by veterans, a result of ptsd. i keep asking what's the objective in afghanistan? are we fighting to defeat the taliban and al-qaeda or attempt to go build a nation with a civil society where our corrupt ally can continue to rule? we can achieve the former and must and probably are already a long way towards that goal but take a different forestructure than the one we have there for now. joe biden has been saying focus on what matters al-qaeda and
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the taliban. if the objective is the larger one, i doubt we can achieve it and doubt we can try. building an afghanistan that meets our definition is not what we have an interest in or the finances to invest in. one thing is clear. we need greater clarity on what the objective is, the public needs it our troops needs it, because john kerry's question from 40 years ago keeps ringing in my ears. that's my view. [ male announcer ] this is lawn ranger -- eden prairie, minnesota. in here, the landscaping business grows with snow. to keep big winter jobs on track at&t provided a mobile solution that lets everyone from field workers to accounting, initiate, bill and track work in real time. you can't live under a dome in minnesota that's why there's guys like me.
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>> here's what's going on in wisconsin, an immensely unpopular governor scott walker seems to be ahead in the recall
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race. the government's accountability board will allow six fictitious candidates to participate in the primary. if that makes sense to you you're ahead of me. joining me is communications director for the democratic party and andy kroll. explain what's going on with these fictitious candidates or not in the party, in the party i can't follow it. what is going on with this primary? >> yeah, they are essentially phony democrats who have been pushed into the democratic primary or for their own reason are in the primary to create distractions for voters or create another layer of complications for the real democrats running in this race. it's a tactic we saw in wisconsin when there was a slate of recalls for u.s. senators and saw phony democrats run there and you saw the legitimate
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candidates in addition to answering the real issues, swatting away criticisms and dealing with the noise cited by these phony politicians there to stir up trouble. that's what we're seeing again there. >> when you say phony democraticking, what do you mean by that? there are people with differing ideal san francisco are they not in the party? >> they try to out scott walker. they are there as almost a spectacle or there as more of a joke. they have no chance of going win, they are creating more divisiveness. >> it is clear that the republican party has put them up to this. >> the republicans have embraced this. they came out and said so. they denied it in the recalls
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last spring but now scott walker has come out and embraced it. lunacy has been embraced in wisconsin. these republicans are doing it because they can. >> explain to me the impact of this, though. if they will have no chance of winning the democratic primary what long term harm results i'm not supportive of this but is there long term harm that results from their participation? >> sure. here's one thing that they did was that they created a primary extending the election every second that we get farther away from an election is an add strewing scott walker, because he's -- the polling is not good for him and he's leveraging this dirty corporate cash he gets from hedge fund managers in new york and oil billionaires in
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texas. every day, he's spent $12 million already, there's this unrelenting air campaign to try to prop up his record of job loss and corruption. by extending the election, it gives scott walker the advantage by allowing scott walker to do this. he has been given a gift. >> the thing that surprises me today, the poll numbers has scott walker ahead. what explains this? clearly the sentiment seems to have shifted back to him to some degree at least. how do you understand that? >> he has been by himself on the air for three months with $12 million in television. that's a ton of money in wisconsin. he's in little markets buying thousands of points, repeating these lies that he said he fixed the budget. he didn't. he's working on jobs wisconsin and job loss but he hasn't had any opposition on the air. to be unopposed on the airwaves,
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being at 50% we have yet begun to fight and scat walker is still at this danger number. we're feeling pretty good about this. >> there is this issue sort of festering notion of a grand jury investigation relating to activity during the time that scott walker was the county executive in milwaukee. what is that? is there any real possibility that that will rise to his level or even if it does, do so by the time of the recall vote? >> there's no doubt that it could reach scott walker. it has crept up to his top aids, his deputy chief of staff when he was the executive of milwaukee county. there are now rumors circulating that this investigation could shift to madison and it could implicate top members of walker's staff in madison, as well, and it's only climbed higher since may 2010 when the milwaukee district attorney lunch r. launched this
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investigation. the question is will the milwaukee d.a., who is a democratic, bring criminal charges, you know, between now and june 5 when the recall election happens. we saw some former litigators and former prosecutors advice against doing such a move because it would advice, smack of cronyism and try to swing an election.% frankly, if the d.a. goes one way or the other it's going to look like politics. >> it is a very, very difficult judgment call to either bring the case prior to the election or to delay it until afterwards. it's a no win situation. explain to us quickly and then i want graham to weigh in. what are the underlying allegations, what is the gravamen of the offense that is out there that hasn't been charged. >> members of governor's walker staff when he was running milwaukee county were politicking on his behalf while
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on the county clock. there was a secret email network, they were planning fundraisers, working to elect him governor while being paid by the taxpayers of milwaukee county. obviously that's illegal. charges have been brought. the million dollar question is did scott walker know about it, when did he know, how did he know, did he approve of it. >> graham, do you believe this was going on? >> yes. it's bigger than that, and it's every member of scott walker's interpolitical family. it's a conspiracy that involved pay to play. we're talking about donors, government contracts answered scott walker clearly was central to all of this. >> these are serious allegation. we have to waste to see what the facts are as they emerge if they emerge from the grand jury investigation. thank you both for your time
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