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houstonshuster in for bill. we have democratic strategist peter finn at the top of the hour. follow us on twitter.com/bpshow or twitter.com/davidschuster. our andrea mitchell snafu segment. clarkson says competing news should not lower itself to fox news. david shuster is right about apted degree i can't. who makes msnbc most nervous? mark writes, the snafu romney useds edited ads against obama
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and he will no doubt do it again. the politicians are going to do that. i think journalists, as people consider themselves journalists should have a higher standard. people like rebecca kaplan. she makes hard to make sure things are put in context. >> it does occasionally happen. >> that's been the story of some of the big add words this cycle, statements taken out of context. obama talking about the economy when he was quoting yon mccain in '08. that was left out. the obama camp did with a number of romney statements. i like being able to fire people. that kind of stuff. they will use ads, themselves. >> that's been the story of this cycle, ground whatever sound byte you can and make it into an attack ad. >> when politicians do that, it's not news. it is when journalists does that and as frequently as fox news. msnbc, we are going to make mistakes. you say we made a mistake. we are higher standards and we are going to apologize where i
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think at fox they don't have the same standards as they have elsewhere. if msnbc gives republicans the ammunition to argue there is a moral equivalency between msnbc and fox, that is bats for progressives. thankful for coming on the show this morning. we appreciate it. >> thank you for having me. >> peter finn at the top of the hour to talk about all kind of fun things. you are listening and watching the bill press show. >> this is the bill press show.
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hey. hello everybody. monday, june 12th. great to see you today. thankful for being part of the program here, the full court press on current tv. live from our nation's capitol on your studio right here on capitol hill. >> by the way, this is the first day of summer. the summer solstice the most amount of sunshine and that gives us a chance to talk about climate change and an interesting debate. every indication, the supreme court will rule on the affordable care act, the obama healthcare reform legislation, it looks like we will get a ruling on that next week. an interesting twist in terms of a request that was just made to the supreme court. we will talk about that. first, here is jacki schechner with the current news update. >> good morning, david. good morning everybody. the obama campaign is out with two new ads today in nine battleground states. the first spot hits mitt romney for outsourcing state work while he was governor of massachusetts.
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the second talks about the number of fee hikes he introduced. >> i know how jobs are created. >> as a corporate raider he shipped jobs to china and mexico. >> as governor mitt romney did cut taxes on markos moulitsasaires like himself but he raised taxes and fees on everyone else. 1.5 billion, over a thousand fee hiekdz. >> the add goes on to list the hikes. hikes on healthcare school drivers, nursing homes. you get the drift. according to fact check.org, this much is true. fact check says none of those crazy fees were targeted at the middle class in particular as the obama campaign has claimed. senate democrats are releasing a new analysis showing the republican tax reform plan would be detrimental to the middle class. the g.o.p. plan replaces the current structure with 25 and 10% bringing the top rate down from 35%. that means we collect $4.5 trillion less over the next 10 years. in order to make up for that loss, without raising the
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national debt, the republicans favor getting rid of tax benefits that help the middle class. and leaders for more than 130 countries will be in brazil today for the real plus 20 summit to talk about how to achieve comic growth without ruining the environment. the high-level meeting takes place once every 10 years. a new washington post poll out says that a majority of americans do think the world's natural environment is worse now than it was a decade ago and 66% believe that we humans are to blame. back with more after the break. stay with us. >>it would be terrible if america lost faith in wall street insiders wouldn't it. after the commercial. >> it is a combination of low self-esteem, low blood sugar and
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you've heard bill's views, now let's hear yours. politically direct means no b.s. just telling you what's going on in politics today. >>at the only on-line forum with a direct line to bill press. >>it's something i've been waiting for a long time. >>join the debate now. [ ♪ theme music ♪ ] prevaliteing across the nation on your radio, and on current tv, this is the bill press show. >> good morning, everybody.
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david shuster here it is june 20th. bill is out for a couple of days. you know what? you never make any mistakes. any mistakes in the bill press show. well, actually, a little bit of a clarification if something that was said in the last hour. yes, we account for our mistakes. i will do that in just a couple of minutes. but the big news right now and this is pretty big is that it does appear as if the house government reform and oversight committee led by republicans is going to move forward and try to holderic holder, the attorney general on charges of contempt for his refusal to turn over some documents internal justice department directions related to the fast and furious program. that was the program where the justice department under the bush administration initially wanted to track the mexican drug cartel and how they were using guns. how some guns were lost tram of and ended up being used in crimes. there has been some dispute about how the justice department has handled the congressional investigation. >> that's what the republicans are trying to focus on. eric holder says i am not going
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to provide you with those documents. we have provided some 7,000 documents so far. >> e-mails, documents of that nature that really go into the way in which the department handled itself from february of 2011 until december of 2011. i think pretty clearly common straights there was no intention to mislead, to deceive. >> republicans are so focused, though, on a statement that the justice department made back in february of 2011 when the justice department denied much knowledge about the fast and furious program and had to issue a retract. since then republicans have been convinced there is a grand con per see to stonewall the u.s. congress. right. yesterday, interesting mostment on the floor of the u.s. house when ron barber who won the special election in the arizona congressional district that gabby giffords held, he was sworn in on the floor of the house. here is part of what he had to say. >> i wanted to thank the congresswoman for her vision and leadership and the inspiration she continues to give to our
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country. gabby, southern arizona missed you dealer and we cannot wait to have you home. >> if your home is in cambridge, massachusetts, home to harvard university, there will soon be a soda ban. that's right. officials there are moving to try to prevent soda from being bought or sold in cambridge, massachusetts. people don't like it very much. >> if our government needs to tell us what size drink with our meal, what else are they going to try to tell us. >> they may tell you smoking is bad for you or you shouldn't eat fatty foods or get exercise. government never does that. good grief. just stop drinking soda. i don't know. maybe we should have a tax on that in cambridge. maybe that's a better way. >> don't drink so much of it. >> we are a fat nation. we are. we need to slim down. but -- >> are you a soda dinker? >> i am not a soda drinker. i say ban it. it's bad.
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bad for your health. >> everything in moderation. >> i don't think the government should necessarily -- that's my personal view. i don't want the government, though, taking away people's soda. i think the government has better things to do. that's my point. i agree. people should not drink soda and our government should encourage people not to drink soda and maybe we should tax soda to pay for people's obesity and healthcare costs. but the idea that the government should start banning soda i don't like the idea of the government banning anything. i think that's a problem. >> listen, you can have your views. i am going to have my nice mug of buttercream frosting and you carry on with the show. >> dan henning with full-court press. >> this is the full court press. >> alec baldwin's temper got the best of him yesterday. the 30 rock punched a new york daily news photographer after leaving marriage license bureau. baldwin punched marcos santos in the face. the photographer has filed assault charges. baldwin took to twitter saying he almost hit him with hiscam in
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the face the. he then tweeted, quote, i suppose if the offending paparazzi was wearing a hoodie and i shot him, it would all blow over in reference to trayvon martin. >> here is the other problem alec baldwin has, he referred the public to the managing editor, a man as "that queen" which in some circles is an anti-gay slur. i am just saying, you know alec baldwin claims to be in favor of lgbt rights and speaking properly but you don't use an anti-gay slur when you are punching somebody. you shouldn't punch anybody anyway. >> you know what's most amazing, always these rumors pop up about how he wants to run for. look at what he is doing. look at what he puts out on twitter. look at the news stories about him, the nasty divorce, the rants on an airline, punching out photographers. he needs some therapy. >> tiger woods has been the world's highest-paid athlete
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since 2001 according to forbes magazine but no more. boxer floyd mayweather earned $85 million last year for not much more than an hour's work in the revenue, earning $40 million each in two fights. he is currently serving an 87 day jail sentence. another boxy mannypac paciou. : . all but 4 million of that came from endorsements not tournament winnings. >> are you a boxing guy? >> no. >> i know some people who are who they love manny paciou. he deserves every dime. floyd mayweather? >> not so. >> the 7-year-old who played darth vadar in the super bowl ad is doing well. max page's pulmonary valve was
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replaced. no word on what's next for him besides thinking he can start cars by using the force. >> what a cute kid. dan henning, thank you very much. 866-557-7377 or if you want to be part of the conversation on twitter, twitter.com/davidschuster. by the way, teamster, yes, this is here for you. our clarification, our apology during the segment in the last hour, our guest incorrectly referred to what obama did last week as an executive order, an executive order so that that's what was said when in fact what has happened, it's not an executive order. it's a change in the enforcement mechanism. this is all about president obama's statement that children of illegal immigrants will not be imported, they will have full rights. it's not an executive order. it is an enforcement mechanism which is changing.
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while that distinction may seem like it's not that significant, it is for people who are following the policy and the politics. we apologize to anybody who was angered by that misstatement. it was not intentional. we have peter finn joining us in a couple of minutes. we have been talking for months now about the supreme court and the affordable care act. president obama's healthcare legislation passed more than two years ago. there were arguments, three days of arguments at the universe supreme court. a lot heard a lot of things that indicated that perhaps the united states supreme court may overturn the affordable care act. an interesting twist as we are waiting for the decision to come down. there is an indication it will come down one day next week perhaps on monday the next day next week is the fine week for the supreme court in the
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session. every indication it will come monday or maybe gets pushed off to tuesday or wednesday. with all of the drama building and as far as what the supreme court will do with healthcare. the top lawmakers on the senate judiciary committee, senators patrick leahy and chuck grass leegrassley have septa letter to chief justice john roberts asking that the supreme court allow live broadcasting of the delivery of its opinions next week including the highly anticipated decision on the affordable care act. they wrote in a letter together: we believe that the issues in the case are as important and con7 quencial as any in written history the court directed parties to address the constitutionality given the fundamental question raised and the he was the decision will have, the court should be aware of the great interest americans have in the outcome of this case. the senator said permitting the
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nation to watch the proceedings would bolster public confidence in our judicial system and in the decision of the court: it's fascinating. how they are going to infuriate people on the left or the right and interesting senators grassley and lehey, who don't agree on much at all came up with this idea that the supreme court should allow its proceedings next week to be televised. there has been no response so far from the supreme court. my guess is they will not allow that at all. they have turned down every other request to have cameras in the courtroom but we will see. it adds to the drama, certainly all of us would love to be able to watch and hear the chief justice and the justices who are involved in the opinion declare from the court what that opinion is. there will be audio recordings available later in the day but wouldn't it be great to watch that on television? peter finn democratic strategist coming up. more with the bill press show after this. >> this is the bill press show.
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[ ♪ theme music ♪ ] ♪ >> heard around the country and seen on current tv this is the bill press show. >> david shuster in for bill on this wednesday morning. pleased to be joined by peter finn, democratic strategy, here for the rest of the show. how are you doing? >> great. thank you. >> we were just chatting about mitt romney and the process that unfolded, there was this abc news report that said marco rubio had not provided any documents, he hadn't been vetted yet at all, which indicated that romney wasn't going to do it. the way the romney campaign
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handled it the rest of the day first they said nothing. then they said we are not going to say anything about it. then finally, just before 6:30, romney sum the court and says of course we are going to vet marco rup yes. >> somebody said we are running not very many of them but we are running some hispanic radio spots. we are concerned about the president's decision last friday and the dream act. we did say we would veto the dream act back in january. we seem to be having this little problem with hispanic voters. well, wait a minute. we better not say we are not vetting these guys. so let's say we are vetting them even though we are not vetting them. i mean it makes them look silly. it really does. the whole thing is, you know i mean romney looks like a wet noodle to me. i tell you. >> still, you know, the abc report was that there have been no requests for financial disclosure forms no requests for tax returns, for e-mails nothing. >> no. >> all of the sort of things if you are vetting somebody thoroughly as romney insists ?
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>> right. >> you would have the candidate? >> when you are in a box like this, what should have happened because rubio knows he is not going to get this. at least, you know i mean, hell, who am i to know action but just said pull himself out which he sort of starts to do and he kind of pulls back. he just should have said look, i got elected to the senate. i am doing fine. i love what i am doing. i have no interest in being vice president. i would request that i not be on the list and not be vetted. >> that's what he should have done. but too late now. >> is it possible some of the confusion in the romney campaign yesterday which was amazing. you usually don't see kind of confusion in this stage of the campaign but the fact that romney's position on the dream act, he is essentially almost die metcally opposed to marco rubio's position and to the extent rubio is associated with romney, it puts romney in the awkward spot of having to defend what president obama did with the law enforcement mechanism last week. >> exactly. after he said he would veto the dreamact. the trouble romney has himself
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into is he really doesn't have positions on this stuff. and he really doesn't care that much about it. i mean if you ask the guy why do you want to be president? gee, i think it would be a fun job. when you are in a box like this -- and i am surprised because this is a pretty professional crowd. they are a pretty sharp group at romney headquarters. they should have figured this out and seen it coming anyway. somebody should have said on friday when this announcement came, you know, we don't have rubio on the list but we better you know, we don't want to get into this box. let's just ask him for his stuff and talk to him about it. but, you know, it took them a week to get their act together. they are not getting their act together now because he is in a box on the issue. >> that's his basic problem. he would not answer the question on the sunday talk shows: what is his stanchion on this?-- stanchion on this? with a lot of other issues. i am not ready. i will tell you, i am not ready to drop the notion that this guy has no core, that this guy doesn't believe in much, that this guy is not a strong leader.
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if you look at this david, one of the things that i think is coming out with his inability to take stands on the budget, on what he would cut, what federal departments he would abolish a lot of these issues he does not want to take stands on. and, you know, most candidates who are running against an incumbent who is in tough shape, they don't take stands but this guy looks weak. he looks very very tentative. he looks like not the kind of strong leader that the country is looking for right now. >> at a certain point, a dandate has to stand for something but maybe he is making the calculation most people are not tuned when this is going to be determined in september? >> i think that's probably the exact calculation and they figure we will try to make strong stands on the economy and our strong stand will be that we are not the other guy. and, you know, if the obama campaign allows this thing to be a ref made,um, there are -- a reverender, they are in trouble. >> that's why they are running the kind of campaign they are which i think is smart.
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>> between making it a choice between president obama and mitt romney, how do you think campaign is doing, look at unemployment worse and look a lot bain capital where the businesses had money sucked out and closed down. is the obama campaign doing an effective job of essentially framing the battle litchfield right now? >> i think they are a bit. i think they are not in any way, shape or form done with this yet. the fact of the matter is that the president's blackboard is pretty well written on. there is not the a lot of space to put any positive or negative stuff on there. everybody knows what they are going to know about barack obama. when it comes to mitt romney, not a chance. they don't know, some people, that he was governor of massachusetts for crying out loud. they are just getting introduced to this guy. you have to write on the black board before your opponents write on it. i do think that the question now becomes not just about mitt romney, but about the kind of choice, and i think that the narrative of this campaign is
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going to come down simply to who fights for the middle class? today, the washington post is an extraordinary piece about the tax reform -- so-called reform that the house republicans are putting out and that mitt romney supports. this shows conclusively once you get rid of some of these tax deductions, the middle class actually pays more. and whether you are single and you get a 286,000 dollar break if aur millionaire or a 386 -- my numbers may be a little bit off. but huge breaks for the very wealthy again. so you say to folks, okay. here is where he comes from. here is his m.o. as a business guy and as governor of massachusetts and here is where he is going to take the country. and it's backwards and it's bad for you. you are going to get it. you are going to take it in the shorts with the kind of economic program that mitt romney puts out there. >> that's why i think so many of the media comment atos last week got the speech exactly wrong, they complained it wasn't a flowery speech. for the president to be able to
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draw the contrast and say if you want to go back to the economic policies of trickle down helping the rich with the idea that that helps the economy fine, vote for mitt romney. if you want to build from the middle class up, vote for me. that message seems like that's a clear one that will resonate? >> i think we have got to put it in a tighter package. we have to put a bow on it. we have to maybe make it very clear to the american people that this is about the middle class. this is about working families. this is about folks who lost 40% of their wealth in the last 10 years. if you -- you know, we are putting it back. we are helping the middle class and, you know, mitt romney may claim in his small town tour -- that's a joke for him to be a small town but anyway, that's like me playing for the nationals in scepter litchfield instead of bryce harper. come on. but this really is about who is fighting for middle class families. and he's got to get that narrative. folks understand that a little clearer. >> had beening will be the --
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healthcare will be the big issue last week, this letter september by leahy and grassley saying it should be televised? >> i don't think there is a chance. >> we will talk about what happens when the decision comes bang, peter fenn capabilities. we will ask peter about some of the issues including the andrea mitchell sniffafu and whether msnbc has mishandled this. >> this is the bill press show.
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>> we welcome back, everybody. david shuster in for bill press the rest of this week. pleased to be joined by democratic strategist peter fenn and by joe roam the progress editor. filed his work at climateprogress.org. ? >> thank you for having me. >> tonight is the official northern summer solstice at 11:p.m. the sun tilts on the hemisphere starts to go back the other direction. >> right. >> on this day, it's a good day to say, what's going on with our climate? we just got these reports that may was the hottest month for the month of may since records were kept in 1880 with the exception of two years ago. >> yeah. >> so what's going on? what does it mean? >> we are pouring bill you don't know of tongs of heat-trapping gasses in the atmosphere.
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scientists said it was warmer and warmer. it was the second hottest mayo record. for the northern hemisphere, the hottest: a lot of people think it's going to get very hot because we left on top of the global warming trend which makes everything warmer and warmer over time, we have these ocean current did like la nina and el nino. we left a la nina that cools things down and it looks like a 50/50 chance we will enter an el nino. those are associated with whacky weather. we have had mind-boggling extreme weather but that's the basic prediction of climate scientists. >> the idea is it will get more extreme and nothing is happening political to stall climate change. >> the metaphor is we are like a baseball player on steroids.
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so that the global warming just makes every extreme weather event more extreme. heat waves are hotter. they last longer. droughts are more intention and intense floods. you will see that more and more. if we don't get serious politically soon the kind of weather with no winter or hajj amounts of snow or terrible floods or recordbreaking drought in texas will become the norm. >> peter, what do you think of it? >> i tell you, i think when you look at what's going on the west right now, that this seems to be not just isolated events but this is what we are going to have to expect year after year. tornados, weird weather patterns, you know, i think politically, it is extraordinarily difficult for even the most conservative of republicans not to admit that there is a problem. they didn't like al gore. they didn't like his film.
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they didn't like being lectured to by al. well, al should have lectured a little harder because the fact of the matter is that this is something we are doing very little to solve. >> is there anything -- let's just for a minute supposed there was a political willpower to do something am and let's suppose republicans have this sort of come-to-jesus moment and everybody recognizes okay yeah, this is man-made not just normal sort of cooling and heating patterns but man-made. what 2 would it take to be able to reverse the trend or stop it? >> the most important thing is the principal gases come from burning natural fuels so we have to replace them with cleaner forms of energy. there is, you know, a lot of clean forms of energy. they are starting to take off. solar power and wind pour have been the two fastest growing
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around the world. you know, we in this country have supported it enough to become one of the players. the republican con greens has been opposed to clean energy tax credits, most basic stuff. two main things you need to do is make polluters pay for polluting. that's job one. the price of it. push clean energy. you know, the chinese and germans and japanese and everywhere else in the world, they have, you know stolen a march on us. we invented solar cell at bell labs but most of the large manufacturing places are in china. >> 10 years ago, the argument you heard from republicans is why should the united states unilaterally go this route? the chinese will pollute more than us. the argument is the chinese have beaten us so why should we try to compete with the chinese. >> the carryiest thing is that the chinese are building roads,
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cars, outgrowing the middle class. you know, there is going to be more consumption by the billion plus chinese of fossil fuel. he is right. we have no alternative but to have more, different kind of electric car that can move this country. we are the king supposedly of innovation. we should be able to do this but when you have an issue lie solend solendra that blows everything out of the water or sky or whatever, it's a scary thing. we should be leading on this area, not following. >> part of it is just plain ole miss information whether it is solendra, fox and friends when it seems like every time there is a big snowstorm, they say this is proof. look at the snow. wait a second, when the planet heats, puts more moisture in the at atmosphere which causes more
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snow? right? >> absolutely. i think people need to, as you said, as the plan lets up it e vap rates mostisture off of the occasions. that water gets en trained sucked into large storms and gets dump. if it's cold enough for snow, it will snow. we have seen these amazing deluges. hurricane irene, my hometown middletown, network, it was the worst amount of rain that my hometown had ever seen places from ver hospital to the carolinas never saw that amount of rainfall. >> that's what we are going to see. this deluge and the irony is we are flipping back and forth. either we get this brutal drought drought in the southeast or the deluges and the same in texas and louisiana. >> in addition to the environmental impact, think how much it costs, you know, after that hundred, after wildfires, after these disasters and topics, money has to pour in to solve the promise to rebuild areas and, you know, it would seem that the republicans, the
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conservative republicans should say, gee we need to do something about this because we are talking about a lot of government money having to be spent on these problems. let's fix it or try to fix it before we have to spent that kind of money. >> we were talking about this piece in the new yorker that had this intriguing idea that you could create some kind of man-made almost shield to sort of guard against the sun and you are pointing out in order to do that we would have to pump so much sulfur, you likened it to chemo theory. >> yeah, i think everyone looks for the quick technofix like reagan's star wars program. >> that's the solutions to the arms race. i think everyone says, looking for a quick answer to how we deal with the warming, so some people are talking about they have noticed when there are volcanos t cools, it cools things down. if you had non-stop volcan-0s action you would cool things down. it is like chemotherapy in that
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there are weird side effects so that the huge amount of pollution changes the monsoons in indiana and can cause native problems there. i just saw an article that said it would make the sky look white rather than blue. so it's going to affect farmers because you are blocking the run run. right? farmers, anyone who depends upon the sun. it's going to affect solar energy. >> and public health because if you are dumping this much pollution, people near the sources of where the pollution is being put out, their increased risk for cancer and health effects as well. >> i think the scary thing about this is that if this is required to solve the problem or prevent disaster which is melting polarized caps destroying our whole ecosystem, you may get to the point where you have to do something like this. i think what joe and you and i would say is let's look on trying to solve this problem now so we don't have to take these draconian measures to save the
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bill fenn talking being global warming and what's going to happen. let's just suppose nothing happens. in other words, politicians are unable to to do anything, what does our climate look like? what's the best estimate of what it looks like 20, 30 years from now? >> it's going to keep warming up. i think for me, the biggest concern is around feeding people because the extreme weather, people can adapt, you know, to small changes. but crops, they depend upon a pretty stabilizing climate and we have already seen record food prices over the last year or two, the highest in 20 years, and that helped lead to the instability, you know, in egypt and tunisia. so what you will see is more droughts, more extreme flooding. we will have another billion people by 2025. we have to feed another billion people. but the weather gets more extreme. you have the water shortages and we will have the competition, who gets the water? is it going to go to food office
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is it going to go to energy because energy is the biggest draw. people needwater. i think you will see increasing competition for water, increasing concern that food prices are going to keep going up and the pooret nations will struggle, i think, to feed themselves, in this country, last year, we had the record number of billion dollar extreme weather disasters, 12 to 14 depend upon how you count them. you are just going to see the more and more extreme weather disasters. i think people are going to have to make hard choices about where they live. it's going to get harder to insure property along the coast because you will see more extreme storms and sea level will start to really, you know, rise more noticeably. so, you know, i think it's going to really start affecting people's lives. >> the republicans have done an effective job of misinforming amounta lot of americans about this issue. what will it take to change the political landscape to take some of the incremental steps a lot of people are calling for? >> my sense could be one of two
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things. first of all, what's been happening is the argument has been framed in terms of jobs versus the environment at a time when you are at over 8% unemployment when people are scared about jobs. they tilt that way. so they think less about the environment than jobs. if we don't have that argument, that's an important thing. the second thing, i hate to say but i think joe is probably right, that it would be a crisis. in other words that you would see something on the order of food or huge water shortages. water is the biggest untold story. i mean if people are wasting so muchwater, our manufacturing plants have to learn to do better without using so much water. suddenly, people have to, you know, stop. the best thing is when you have
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a suburban environment, something comes home to them. >> that's kind of -- it sounds trivial but if we solve the jobs problem or confronts a creases. >> that's something we mentioned in the last second, the geo engineering fix some people suggest. you were pointing out during a break that by itself will not fix things. the idea of just pumping lots of pollution into the atmosphere, it's going to be so hard to sort of control how much that blocks the sun. what does that do to the planet? that there needs to be something done in step with that. >> i think if you talk to most experts even who support geo engineering research, they will tell you, you need to slow the rate of warming, you know. you need to sharply reduce emissions so we only warm maybe three or four degrees fahrenheit and then if that, you know, if it still turns out that ant antarctica and greenland are melting and you will get the sea level rise maybe you could cool
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the plantet a little bit with geo engineering but if you are on track to warm the planet six nine degrees farenheit which is what we are, maybe as much as 10 degrees degrees farenheit, you can't put enough pollution in the air to control that. >> on that happy mote, joe romm you can find him online at climbprogress.org at twitter twitter.com/climbprogress. we appreciate it. some final thoughts from peter and i when the bill press show continues. >> heard around the country and seen on current tv this is the bill press show. ♪ the "bill press show." now on current tv.
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>> on your radio, on t.v. the bill press show, new on current tv. >> and welcome back. david shuster here with peter fenn democratic strike that joe gist. find his stuff at fenndaily.com, at twitter at peter fin.com peterfenn.com. i don't see any e quav lens see at all between msnbc and fox. there are certain basic journalistic standards at msnbc that are not standards at fox. the problem comes that when msnbc does something that i think allows some people to draw inequivalency. >> that's the problem i had with andrea mitchell. she took something out of context and played it in fuller context and didn't draw the
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conclusion the first day but didn't apologize. it kept the story going. >> you know, i mean this is true of politicians and it's true of the media: when you make a mistake, own up to it. you know, say, jeez, you know, we probably shouldn't have done that. we were doing something too fast, boom. you know. if you admit it right away, it's gone. it's over with. and the public is very forgiving of this. i mean when you admit to an error. the trouble with fox, they say they didn't make any kind of error. i stopped doing fox in the last election cycle. i was on hannity and combs. i was supposed to talk about the rates. they said, peter, we are changing the topic. we want to talk about why michelle obama hates america. they had me on with some nut indicates. i wrote them an e-mail i wrote sean and alan and said you can get anybody you want to come on your shows. i am done.
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every time i go on you know, you pull the football away and cut us off. a democrat on this program is a joke. it's a fire hy drants. my wife wouldn't talk to me. the dog we want in the corner. it's like, you know, and i don't want to see msnbc be that way. to me, it's about the base. it's about talking about these issues, going back and forth and being civil about it. >> people say, given what fox does, why are you hammering msnbc? and my point is, when msnbc owns up to its mistakes they do go down the fox route. at fox, they don't own up to the mistakes and to the extent msnbc does anything that enables people to say there is fox on the right, there is msnbc on the left appear they are somehow equivalent, that doesn't help promotionives and journalism. >> not at all. i made msnbc very angry when i
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criticized them for dropping pat buchanan. he is well known. i disagree with him and you disagree with him but you can have a civil dialogue with him and when they fired him, it was because of pressure on the station from folks and it removed what i thought was a very entertaining very smart and interesting point of view. and that's a mistake in our society. the other point i think which was raised in a "new york times" magazine piece two weeks ago was that, you know, by taking on fox, by even by john stewart going after him and playing with him, you are giving them too much credit anyway. just let them go do their thing. you know, it will be like glenn beck. glenn beck was the super star with rallies of thousands of people on the mall. where is he today? struggling, you know, out there somewhere with his crazy views. fine, you know, it's like bad mushrooms. bring them out and shine the light of day on them and they shrivel up. >> thank you for coming in
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