[ ♪ theme ♪ ] [ ♪ theme music ♪ ] bill: >> good morning, everybody. david shuster. welcome to the bill press show. friday morning june 22nd. what a great show we have coming ahead. mitt romney says he is going to change president obama's policy the policy president obama announce add week ago but he doesn't say how he is going to do that. my, we will get into that coming ahead. we will look at karl rove who may face a potential libel or

defamation lawsuit because of some things he said on fox news. a lawyer is demanding a public retraction from karl rove. we will explain it all. it's a great show ahead when the bill press show continues in just a couple of minutes. first, it is time for the current news update with jacki schechner. good morning to you. happy friday. >> happy friday to you, david. good morning, everyone. president obama travels to orlando today to speak to the national association of latino elected officials, the same conference where mitt romney spoke yesterday. david mentioned a week after the president announced his policy change that he would stop the deportation of some young undocumented immigrants, mitt romney is offering little in terms of comparable policy. he says he would support legal policy to those who serve in the military and those who earn advanced degrees but we know he would veto the dream act. mitt romney and rnc walk a fine line when it comes to the

hispanic vote. they are trying out a new strategy. less talk about immigration. more about the economy. >> is the america of 11% unemployment the america of our dreams? we can do better. >> the key hispanic states with large hispanic populations all have unemployment rates that are dropping. some are high like nevada and florida. but the more the unemployment rates go down, mitt romney will have a harder time saying that the president's plans are not working. speaking of working, what do you think mitt romney does for a living? you probably say he is a politician or a businessman well, according to his sec's filings, he thinks he is a writer. he and his wife donated $2,500 to the romney for victory committee and huffington post looked into campaign filings, found romney scribes himself as

a self-employed writer. ann listed herself as a homemaker. join us in chat current.com/billpress. we will be back with more after the break. fall. >>first we'll talk politics. >>how are the democrats hypocrites in your mind, in your travels? >>they're not, i'm just trying to be fair. >>thank you michael. >>he's going to have to speak at some point. >>because republicans get to do whatever they want. >>what do you say to that? >>what happened? where are the lefties besides on current tv? after the commercial. >> it is a combination of low self-esteem, low blood sugar and missing red wine with my -- and mixing red wine with my painkillers.

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[ ♪ theme music ♪ ] >> broadcasting across the nation, on your radio, and on current tv this is the bill press show. >> good morning, everybody. david shuster in for bill press on this friday morning june 22nd. did you know that this is national take-your-pet to workday? dan henning is going to have a special update on his favorite pet. dan henning and cyprian bowlding on board this morning. >> that's the only reason dan got to come in bring your pet into work. you won't believe what his favorite pet is. >> chinchilla.

>> we have a great show coming up. it was a week ago today, one week ago today, when president obama had that moment in the rose garden when he was interrupted by a reporter for tucker carlson's "daily caller" who interrupted him. lost in that was the actual policy the president announced, which was he is changing the law enforcement mechanism so that federal agents, police will not be going after the children of people who came here as illegal immigrants. since then mitt romney has been asked: do you agree with it? most hispanics agree with it. most americans do. mitt romney continues to dodge and weave. he got a little closer to saying his view yesterday. >> some have asked if i will let stand the president's executive order. the answer is that i will put in place my own long-term solution that will replace and supersede the president's temporary measure. >> what's he going to do? um, um um. he didn't say.

>> er er. >> mitt romney again, nice nowery, i am going to do something but he doesn't provide any details whatsoever. no details about immigration, no details about what he is going to do about afghanistan, about what parts of the budget he will cut. it's just a complete blank slate. anyway, just a rant. by the way, speaking of rants, nancy pelosi, democratic leader in the house had a pretty interesting explanation for why she thinks the republicans are now pursuing a contempt of congress charge against attorney general eric holder. >> it is no accident. it is no coincidence that the attorney general of the united states is the person responsible for making sure that voter suppression does not happen in our country, that issues that relate to the civil liberties of the american people are upheld. >> it's voter suppression. now, look. i think that's a little bit of a stretch. i don't think that's why the republicans are doing it.

on the other hand, if the republicans are going so say president obama is directly in the middle of fast and furious and that's why he asserted privilege, has nothing to do with president obama, fine, they can come up with their malarkey. speaking of acting the way they are, they are celebrating in miami. the celebration continues because the miami heat beat the oklahoma city thunder to win the inform ba title. here was the call from the home team announcer in south florida. >> let the coronation begin. lebron james has now crowned miami as champion of the basketball world for the second time in sunshine history. there will be another parade down beauty saint joules boulevard james boulevard. it's over and miami wings the nba title. a huge congratulations to lebron

james. >> shut up already. >> you know, that guy, he was a bully when he was a kid with his voice and just kept to talking and screaming and yelling. and i am going to take your lunch meat. i am going to take your granola bar. peter could not be happy year this morning. >> look. congratulations to the miami heat. but they drive me crazy. they drive me crazy. i can't stand to see lebron james win. >> why? why not? what's wrong with lebron? >> well, look. i think he is everything that's wrong with the current state of sports. okay? that's what i think. look, maybe i am old-fashioned. okay? but he completely turned his back on his hometown. >> i agree he chased the money. >> he chased the glory. all about him. and all of this crap. >> but as cyprian pointed out this morning, rome was built in

two years. full-court press with dan henning. >> this is the full court press dan: headlines ann curry's days as co-host on nbc are numbered. the "new york times" is reporting network officials are looking to replace her because of the morning program's falling ratings. good morning america has beat "today" several times in reviewship. she moved from news anchor to co-host a year ago, sitting alongside matt lauer. >> i have worked alongside ann curry several times. i traveled for msnbc. she was okay. when i met her, there was nothing spectacular. i didn't know who she was at first. >> how is it going, this morning, ann. >> good morning. good morning. >> thank you, ann. thank you, ann. >> that's a real clip.

>> yeah. >> a fight between cbs and abc over a reality show. cbs took abc to court last week to stop them from airing the new program, "glass house" saying it was an exact copy of big"big brother brother." cbs took things into their hands, the tongue in cheek press release saying it has a new show called dancing on the stars which takes place in the cemetery focusing on sort of well known people. >> is bristol palin going to be on that one as well? >> that's actually hilarious for a network to do something that -- that's the most inventive, creative idea they have had in years. >> that or the lebron james reality show. >> yeah, right. >> san francisco 49ers, brandon jacobs made good on his promise. >> is he a running back? >> yes. >> wanted to make sure. >> for get sometimes.

>> san francisco 49ers, brandon jacobs made good on his promise to pale back a 6-year-old fan who tried paying him to stay with his beloved new york giants. the nfl star met with joseph armen armento who mailed 3.36. they went to a bounce house gym with jacob's son h luncheon, were there for over two hours and mr. jacobs gave joseph his money back in the form of a $5 bill. >> wow. >> and told him though keep the change. >> come on. really? $5 is all that was worth? >> he made a dollar.64. >> did he pay for his own pizza at lunch? >> give the kid a 50, you are an nfl football player. stop it. >> this boy got to hang out with brandon jacobs is invaluable and priceless. >> right. we will remember that. we will find out the kid is doing steroids. >> come on. >> i am not saying brandon is actually doing steroids but, you

know, the nfl -- anyway so let 1866557377, our topic de jour. what the do we do about not 6-year-olds but 6th, 7th and 8th graders. america, you are asking the question today. you have been asking it for a couple of days ever since that horrific, terrible video that came out of greece new york, right outside of rockchester in which the bus monitor, the bus monitor, 68-year-old karen klein was picked on mercyilessly by a bunch of numbskulls. 13-year-old kids. here is what it sounded like. >> oh, my god. you are so fat. >> yeah. >> fat. you are fat. you are so fat.

oh no. oh my god. your glasses are fogging. >> there you have it. it we want on the for not just a couple of minutes. she was knocked. one of her sons had committed suicide. one of the students mocked her for that. it was horrible. she was crying. it was just terrible. the good news is she has gotten $300,000 from folks around the country for folks who feel so badly for her want her to be able to get the heck away from greece new york. >> that's a good side. some of the students have been identified who were involved in the harassment and the bullying. according to steve chatterton the police chief up there in greece new york. now the students, themselves are harassed. >> their families are threatened. their antrorse and sisters have been threatened. we have custody of one of their cell phones. he had over a thousand missed calls and a thousand melingsz threatening him. he is 13 years old. >> i don't have a problem with that. i think that's like an appropriate pun orbitaement.

that kid is lucky his parents didn't haul off and beat him. >> what is a 13-year-old doing with a cell phone? i guess kids have cell phones. okay. fine. you know, you are going to harass somethingbody and we will have people harass you and you know what it feels like. i don't think a through dropped calls on a cell phone is such a big deal. >> here is what i would say. i agree with you in spirit. i think that this punk-ass kid that has his cell phone out there should receive thousands of phone calls every day. i don't want this kid to sleep. i want the phone to go off all the time. but the problem here is they are threatening him and his family now. and so are some of the other kids. if you come out of your house, we we are going to get you. >> that's too much but don't let the kid sleep. >> in other words, we could call the kid. >> sure. >> and as long as we just say, hey, how is your math homework? geometry homework?

call over and over and be as annoying as possible. we can't threaten to like do any harm to him or his family. >> i am on board. >> we will start that campaign. what would you do with these 13 and 14-year-old kids? this is just the one snippet we saw because there happened to be video. i guarantee this stuff happens in america every day. every day, every school the bullying is just outrageous. and it feels like, i don't know it just seems to be getting worse. what should we do about it? 1866-55-737. 1866-55-press. we will take your calls on this issue and a lot more involving politics ahead. you are listening and watching the bill press show. (vo) john fugelsang is filling >> on your radio and on current tv, this is the bill press show. taking a stand that helps make him all things to no people.

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[ ♪ theme music ♪ ] >> i am deeply saddened by the actions demonstrated by some of my students. i'm sorry karen has been subjected to this kind of student behavior. >> this is the bill press show. david: david shuster here that was david middleton the principal of athena new york. they were captured on video harassing karen klein, 68 years old. the question we are asking 1866-55-7377, what if anything should be done to these kids? peter peter and i are in agreement we should lebard them but not threaten them. what do you think?

sean from i think can a, new yorkthica new york. >> an excellent program. thank you for having it. i would like to make everybody aware new york actually has an anti-bullying raw which includes bullying back and forth between students and staff and it does specifically include school buses. it's called the dignity for all students and they can find that easily by googling it or going to the new york education website. >> sean, what does it mean is doing to happen in this case? let's suppose they apply this. >> i'm sorry. there is details, correction and discipline code that every school district is supposed to have in their new codes of conduct for the new school years. david, this law goes into effect july 1st. and it includes the school buses. and it is supposed to end harassment and discrimination for the following categories:

race, color and the third one is exactly what she had happen to her. it's weight. national origin, ethnic group religion, disability sexual orientation, gender or sex. >> it's relieving to find that new york has this. i hope more states would have this sort of, you know, protocol. i think the question is, fine, maybe the school decides that these kids are on permanent detention when the school year resumes next year or that they, you know, maybe they have to sit in the principal's office, but i think the larger question that society is going to ask is: should there be something more? the police chief said they can't press charges because there aren't laws specifically for this kind of harassment. and my question is: why not? that was outrageous some of the unbelieve an things. parents ought to be brought in. maybe they have and say look. you have a choice. your kid is going to get thrown in jail for, i don't know, or have to go to a program at the county jail for seven days on how to be nice to people or you are going to discipline this kid yourself.

but you have to do something. wanda from lynchburg, virginia, you are on the bill press show. good morning. >> good morning. thank you for saving me from mo-ning joe. >> try to help there. >> moan-o-a-nm-o-a-n-ing joe. i work with 7th and 8th graders. they are in the anyst of adolescence and puberty. they can be mean and hateful because of all of the freedom that they have that they didn't have before and all a bus driver has to do is right a bus referral or turn around and say when you get off, i am going to call your parent tomorrow. and they will go back down to who they are, children. >> that's a good point. i suppose, you know, that was something that was miss from this video that there was no indication that anything was happen. the bus driver wasn't either paying attention, the school bus monitor was just sort of sitting

there and was getting picked on. you know, look. i think at a certain point, somebody, some adult either the one who was being picked on or the bus driver had to say, listen, you little punk. i am going to call your parents and we are going to give you the whooping you have never had in your life. >> that's the thing i find so amaze being this video is this woman, the bus monitor karen, the video goes on for 10 minutes. if i am subjected to that by a bunch of notsnotty bratty pumps after about two minutes i will lose my cool and say words i probably haven't heard before. >> i am with you. one thing that struck me was that there were several kids. at one point, she brings the bus monitor, karen, bringsous her purse and the the kids saying? you got a knife in there? we have got a bigger knife. we cut you. and so they are talking about stabbing her. and i get the sense that she was terrified. she was frightened for her life. and in that situation, i mean other than just sort of

weathering the storm and reporting it afterwards it's hard to know what you are going to do. jack from cleveland, you are on the bill press show. good morning. >> good morning. i am a 3 i don't year teacher, just retired out about two years ago. and i spent 17 years with cleveland, what they originally called middle high school then then they went to middle school dealt with 7th, 8th and 9th graders and one thing i found out meal was the fact that they have rights and they don't realize their responsibilities. and that's the first thing they have to do. it's not responsibilities so much for the school but for themselves and for others around them, whether it be their own age or adults. >> so what's the lesson to tell them in this episode and the kids who were involved? what would you suggest. >> first of all, the entire bus full of children should be sat down and reprimanded for what they did. because regardless of whether they were active or inactive they were all involved.

and that then distributes that responsibility to every student on that bus and the ripple effect takes place also in the classrooms. the problem with punishment is you have got to be very careful because you don't want to escalate the situation. bus drivers unfortunately are under a certain degree of protocol. and they are only allowed to do certain things. and one of those things is to report that entire busload of kids. >> jack, we have to end it there because we have to hit a break. it's a good point. fascinationng discussion. i am never for get my brother when his 12-year-old son and soccer team, there was bullying involved. they had both teams sit in a circle and stopped the game for 10 minutes. i think that's what our caller was talking about. in any case, we will talk about another form of childish play involving the u.s. congress ahead. you are listening and watching to the bill press show. thanks for staying with us. >> this is the bill press show.

>>thank you michael. >>he's going to have to speak at some point. >>because republicans get to do did he have >>what do you say to that? >>what happened? where are the lefties besides on

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gun-running operation that the justice department had that was stopped about a year and a half ago. eric holder initially said he didn't know anything about it. then he issued a retract to gos congress saying, well, our justice department was involved in something like that. and ever since then, congress has been trying to figure out why eric holter gave the initial denial and whether there has been any cover-up or stonewalling. in the course of of that, the obama administration asserted executive privilege over some of the documents involving justus department lawyers when congress had asked for information. well, in the midst of all of this, of course, attorney general holder has been held in contempt of congress by a congressional schmidt. there is a full -- committee. there is a vote scheduled by john boehner. this was nancy pelosi's reaction. >> what we had seen is a shameful display of abuse of power by the republicans in the house of representatives. >> i always enjoy talking with folks who have been through claims of executive privilege

and contempt of congress before and one of my favorites is josh gerstein. you can kneepads work at politico at . josh, i am going to date you a little bit because what a lot of our listeners and people watching on current may not realized is what is it? some 16 years ago, 15, 14 years ago, something like that, josh was at abc in the anyst of the monica lewinski scandal. >> that's when clinton asserted executive privilege. >> great to be back with you. >> josh, what do you make of this particular episode of executive privilege as it's been asserted by the obama administration? >> it's interesting. you know, i think everyone is aware of that history you are talking about with the clinton administration and even the episodes where this came up in the bush administration. and so, you know there is a certain theory that the republicans had been trying to maneuver holder and essentially obama into a position where they

would have little choice but to do this. in other words, where they would have either to claim executive privilege or to have some kind of big showdown where they appeared to be hiding something because, you know, everyone is aware of president obama's pledge to not be like his predecessors especially president bush in terms of transparency and access to information. so i would say it's an exceedingly awkward place that the white house is in at the moment where they have decided that they need to do this. >> as far as the type of executive privilege, there are basically two types, the presidential communications, executive privilege, conversation that the president has with his advisors. >> that's pretty rock-solid. and then what appears to have been asserted in this case the deliberative process, government officials, their discussions, not involving the president. is that about right with what obama is doing in this particular case? >> yeah. this is what's interesting about

this assertion, at least from a legal point of view is that it is, it's in that deliberative category. it's not white house material. it's not material that was prepared for the president or involved his close advisors. instead, it's discussions at the justice department. at this point, what's in dispute is how the justice department responded to the congressional inquiry that darryl isa and his house oversight committee have been conducting for the last year and a half. justice has turned over 7600 pages of material related directly to operation fast and furious and the related prior operations. now, the fight that has basically led today this executive privilege assertion is over material that came later. in fact, most of it has to do with, you were mentioning an inaccurate letter that the justice department sent up to congress in february of 2011. a lot of the material that they haven't gotten has to do with

how justice came to realize that that letter wasn't right and why it took about eight months for them to formally withdraw it. >> one of the key figures is something you and i covered lanny brewer during the clinton administration in the scandal, he was white house counsel helping defend president clinton against impeachment. in this particular case, he is deputy attorney general in charge of the criminal division. according to the evidence, he was told on four different occasions or four different e-mails about the sort of parameters of fast and furious, and yet, for whatever reason he neglected to either pass that along or to tell eric holder or other top officials about it. what do you make of his role in this? >> well, you know the specific allegation here is, you know, unfortunately for him, he seems to be one of a few officials in the justice department who knew that the bureau of alcohol, tobacco and firearms had used his tactic or approach of gun walking before or in fact had

overseen investigations where weapons went across the border into mexico. so he knew that had happened. main not in fast and furious, but in a prior operation. and when this became a huge controversy controversy, he doesn't seem to have said anything about that prior issue. instead, he, like everyone else in the department, seems to have just blindly accepted assertions from officials in arizona and officials at the bureau of alcohol, tobacco and firearms that they would never do something like this. of course, he knew that they had done something like this and so it's not a good development for him that the justice department sent in a letter saying atf would never do anything like this and would always try to prevent weapons from going into mexico. he says iron i cancally enough, he was tralling in mexico at the time that this letter went up and that while he apparently forwarded a copy of it that someone sent him to his gmail account, his personal gmail account, he doesn't remember

ever having seen it. >> that's not a complete explanation of why he didn't say anything about it or why the letter wasn't fullly retracted for eight months. but he says at the time at least he wasn't aware of it and his deputy or one of his deputies says that, you know, he just didn't connect the earlier operation and the controversy in fast and furious especially when the people who ran fast and furious were being so adamant. >> poor lanny brewer. i have to ask you about president politics of all of this i know speaker boehner, the republican leaped would rather talk about jobs and the economy. the obama administration would rather talk about that. if there is not an agreement on the documents that darryl isa wants, the vote will happen quickly and the obama white house will want it to happen so everyone can move on, it's not going to be a long drawn out process as far as negotiations

are concerned? >> well, as far as everyone moving on, i doubt that's going to happen. you know, there is a lot of intensity surrounding this fast and furious probe, particularly on the part of folks on the right. i don't think if you walk down the street and ask random people what they knew about it or if they were worried about it you would get much response. but if you go into the chat rooms on conservative websites and if you watch fox news or if you are in communication regularly with the national rifle association, you would think operation fast and furious and the justice department's handling of it was something that was entirely outrageous and the top obama administration officials knew all about it and perhaps deliberately launched it as part of a broader effort to crack down on second amendment rights. so because of that, a lot of energy, especially among conservative house members to push this as far as they possibly can. so i think there will be a contempt vote probably next week

and that holder will be held in contempt and that we are looking at what will probably be a protracted court battle after that, much as we have seen in other cases like the u.s. attorney's scandal under the bush administration, where the two sides will duke this out. maybe there will be some kind of negotiated deal eventually. but i kind of have a feeling that the incentives on the parts of both sides suggest maybe there won't be a deal. >> josh any chance the democrats can take that energy, the enthusiasm and turn it around and say republicans are concerned about guns flowing to mexico and ending up in the hands of criminals. if that's what they are concerned about, let's stop the flow of guns going to go criminals in the united states by bringing up votes on gun-show loopholes and the various background checks that congress won't consider right now? >> you know, they have tried every time eric holder goes to testify on capitol hill. he said this operation shouldn't have happened.

we should put a stop to but, you know, we should have more controls on these things and there should be -- it's not really restrictions necessarily on what weapons people can buy but at least better opportunities for atf to trace where these weapons are going and who is buying them. this whole operation in large part it was launched t appears, because atf felt it couldn't track who was buying large volumes of weapons and so that it needed to try to do that through surveillance and through tracing the numbers of weapons and so forth. it wasn't getting realtime information about people going into the gun stores along the southern border and buying large volumes of assault rifles and similar high-powered weapons, hundreds and thousands of which have made their way across the border into mexico and are really fueling the, you know, the carnage down there in this drug war. >> josh gerstein the man on the scandal beat here in washington for a long time, starting with -- back in the '90s with

the lewinski scandal. you have seen it before with executive privilege assertions. josh, thanks. >> sure, it's lie déjà vu all over again. >> every 14 years we will be put in the middle of something like this. speaking of scandal, karl rove is he facing a defamation lawsuit? maybe. there has been an official letter notifying him that he needs to issue a public retraction for something he said two nightsiago fox news. >> that's delicious. we will get into it on the other side of this break. you are listening and watching to the bill press show. % >> this is the bill press show. >>it would be terrible if america lost faith in wall street insiders wouldn't it.

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>> this is the bill press show, live on your radio and current tv. >> david shuster sitting in this morning, charlie mitchell from kake action news.com. [ ♪ theme music ♪ ] >> a washington attorney who is helping the obama campaign asked for karl rove to disclose the donors of a super p.a.c. that karl rove is running and noted that karl rove is head today a retreat with mitt romney and that federal finance rules say that you have to have separation between the super p.a.c.s and between campaigns. solbo bob bauer noted irgoing to meet with mitt rochelle energy. therefore, you don't qualify for

the kind of super p.a.c. that doesn't have to disclose its donesors karl rove said some things about bob bauer two nights ago on fox news. listen. >> earlier, we were talking about the time that i went up to the congress wanted to testify. one of the accusers was bob bauer, the attorney for a woman named dana jill simpson who alleged i had encouraged her to investigate a woman i have never met in my entire life and that i asked her to investigate the sexual shenanigans of democratic governor siegelman of alabama and, you know, bob bauer was an attorney, got her on 60 minutes big huha about it. when i went before a hearing on the congress after all of this huha on her, it turned out the democrat staffers told me she was an unreliable witness. she refused to cooperate with the justice department investigation of the charges she and governor siegelman made.

this is the kind of guy bob bauer is. >> well, bob bauer septa letter to karl rove, and he said quote, you suggested that the complaint filed against crossroads was personal, reflecting animosity toward you. bauer writes this is absolutely false. i have never represented dana jillson nor had anything at all to do with her allegations you or about any appearance by her on 60 minutes. i have never met ms. simpson or crossed her path. the identifity of her lawyer is a matter of pun record, a lawyer i have never met but whom you can find through the search engine of your choice. please promptly correct these remarks on the record. ouch. bob bauer has karl rove like this, and karl rove has stepped right into it. when you make an allegation on t.v., as karl rove has done, suggesting that somebody was, you know, being vin dictive

because of something that they did when in fact the person didn't do it t karl rove has to explain himself. he can get out of this by issuing a public retraction a public apology. what do you make of this peter? peter: i don't know if he is in any trouble. he is just dumb. if they have him on to be, you know, a pundit or someone who knows what he is talking about he has clearly shown he is just wrong. so he either wildly screwed up. right? or he is making something up to try and help his case. i mean either way, he looks like a dope. david: he looks stoeshlths stupid. you know, yeahtotally stupid. you know, yeah he could make sure bob bauer is the bob bauer he thinks. he didn't check about that. he has been all over fox news claiming because president obama asserted executive privilege that this means the president is in the middle of this or involved in some fashion. >> that's what he is suggesting. knowing that the same type of executive privilege the obama

administration has asserted which is called deliberative process privilege, that's the same type that karl rove asserted. in other words, karl rove was not trying to protect conversations he had with george w. bush. he was trying to protect conversations that karl rove had with officials at the justice department. likewise, eric holder is trying to protect conversations at the justice department. so for karl rove to go and deliberately lie on fox news about one thing makes me think that, well he is capable of doing it when it comes to hammering an attorney he doesn't like. we will see how this one plays out. more with the bill press show on the other side of this break. >> radio meets television the bill press show now on current tv. [ music ] there who still tomorrow - joy behar welcomes john lithgow. he's played a killer, a woman

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[ music ] >> >>. >> heard around the country. seen on current tv, this is the bill press show. david: david shoeder sitting in on friday morning. now time for e-mail. harry jii writes about lebron james. he had have gotten more money to stay in cleveland. miami had better players. now you see results. is that a good analysis of lee bron james' success in miami, peter ogburn? peter: no. >> okay. all right. that's the end of that. brian thomas writes how stupid is david shuster? he misspelled schuster. it's still legal to buy guns as shows. he misspells legal peter: whoa davidis it's not the same as giving guns to atf. >> the atf was not giving them.

they were selling them to straw purchasers who would then take the guns to mexico. it's a little bit different. i think given given brian's spelling mistakes on legal, leal l-e-a-l l-e-a-l, not legale -- -- like beagel. >> here is one more. related to a conversation about dressage with ann romney. for multiple sclerosis and that helps. we were making the point dressage is not just any ordinary horseback riding. it's an elitist expensive. horseback riding making fun of ann romney and her horse -- horse misspelled please do not let us sink to the level of the right ring. i ask you to leave mrs. romney alone. i feel the right-wing's

despicable attacks of family members with whom they disagree. because they do it does not mean we have to. we are not attacking her morality. we were saying the idea that everyone has access toss dressage, very expensive horse danceing is not true. >> and that everybody that suffers from ms, that the solution for them is dressage horses. not just horses but dressage horses. david: we are not challenging morality. we are just making a point. okay. i don't think it was -- i think it was somebody at msnbc and we are not making fun of ann. dressage is a very expensive kind of horseback rightding. student loans, transportation bill. will congress be able to do anything on any of this? the deadlines expired. you are listening and watching the bill press show. >> this is the bill press show.

david: good morning. glad to have you on board. what a great show we have ahead. we will talk about the highway bill in congress. it may sound boring but it would create 2 million jobs but it has been stuck in the house of representatives. house republicans are blocking it. we will get the latest on that whether anything can be done. we will tell but bill clinton

revealed his favorite television commercial and what isdoes justin beiber know about politics? not too much. we will show you a bit of his appearance on the late show with david letterman from last night. first, it is time for the current news updates with jacki schechner. jacki, how are you doing today? jackie: i am starting a rumor you have beiber fever. when someone says something remotely off this campaign season, there is one thing you can count in, we will get a web video. today from the obama campaign. it's not what mitt romney said but what he hasn't said that's giving them fodder. >> i am very disappointed because i want to know what my life is going to be like when he gets elected. i want to know what my family's life is going to be like when he gets elected if he gets elected. >> so far into the seven days since president obama made his announcement about his immigration policy change and he heads down to orlando to address the same conference where mitt romney spoke yesterday.

he is expected to paint romney to the right-wing of the republican party. latinos make up two percentage points from 2008 and now there are more registered latino democrats than republicans. talking points memo looking at one constituency that mitt romney failed to win over yesterday. that would be latino evangelicals. they support comprehensive immigration reform and they want more details and specifics. they are also skeptical of the president, however, because they split with him on social issues like gay marriage and they want to know why it is he just started talking about immigration policy last week. it's a romney talking point that happens to be resonating with them. americans in general support president obama more than mitt romney when it comes to social issues, a new poll has the president up 52-36. they homeland in on gay marriaged in on gay marriage they found 48% are not in gay

marriage. more david shuster filling in for bill press. stay with us. museum >> because republicans get to do whatever they want. >>where are the lefties, besides on current tv? while you're out catching a movie. [ growls ] lucky for me your friends showed up with this awesome bone. hey! you guys are great. and if you got your home insurance where you got your cut rate car insurance, it might not replace all this. [ electricity crackling ] [ gasping ] so get allstate. you could save money and be better protected from mayhem like me. [ dennis ] mayhem is everywhere. so get an allstate agent. are you in good hands?

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taking a stand that helps make him all things to no people. >> broadcasting across the nation, on your radio and on current tv, this is the bill press show. david: david shuster sitting in. did you see that news cutin on current tv a few moments ago? did you hear it? did you hear what jacki schechner was talking about? i think it's time for our own little dance party. jacki schechner, justin the man. woo-hoo. okay. what the hell is schuster doing to my show? oh, my god. >> he will be back monday. poor dan. poor peter.

poor jacki. >> i have to admit, justin beiber who we are listening to his new song, spanked -- >> i assumed i would not like it. sure. that might be closed minded. but now having seen the video and listened to the music, i can confirm, i do not like that. >> you hate it? >> yeah. i hate it. i hate it. >> look. >> a new album out. he is making a lot of money. david: given jacki schechner loves him or apparently loves him because she knows about beiber fever i will cut him some slack. >> she has a case of the beiber fever big time. >> we will talk with charlie mitchell. he owns washington, d.c. coverage of congress and he will give us the latest on aum of things stuck on the house side of capitol hill including transportation bill and that student loan issue, the congress has to deal with this by the end of the month or else student

loans, the break that students pay will -- rate that students play will double. >> if congress fails to act, 7 million students will be hit with the equivalent of a thousand dollars tax hike. that's not something you can afford right now. >> certainly not somebody anybody can afford. can we afford, you know, what with democrats afford to give house republicans in order to try to get this done? we will talk with charlie mitchell. we mentioned justin beiber. he was oat david letterman show. you may like his music. we don't know much about his politics. >> if i could vote and if i was an american citizen, if i turned 18, i would definitely vote. >> who would you vote for? >> i mean i would probably vote for uh -- >> your first election. you can't even vote. >> i can't vote. >> this is silly. ? >> why are you talking to me about voting and all of that stuff. >> why are they talking to justin beiber? i am saying. sorry, dan. i know you were personally

offended by that. i would like to apologize to all of the justin beiber fans i am not offended at all. i respect his success david: speaking of fans, bill clinton -- peter: you made me nauseous. i respect his situations. david: i respect bill clinton's taste in the television commercials now that we know one of his favorites is this one. >> when your cable is on the fritz, you get frustrated. when you get frustratedimitates. when your daughter imitates she gets thrown out of school. when she gets thrown out of school, she meets undesirables. when she meets undesirables, she ties the knot with undecipher abels and then you get a grandson with a dog clar. don't have a grandson with a dog clar. get rid of cable and upgrade to directv. call 1-800-directv. >> that was a hell of a commercial. by the way, that's the guy who does the voiceovers for cbs news

60 minutes. >> cool. >> dan henning, what have you got? dan: well first off, a tweet from jacki schechner. she has challenged you to a justin beiber dance-off. get your shoes and get ready. inspots, not even close in the nba finals game 5 last night, miami heat beating the oklahoma city thunder with un21 to 106 to win the championship in the shortened season, taking tall en ent to south beep paid off the. he was named the series mvp, last night posted 26 points. >> mvp, lebron. he got what he wanted. >> a provacative photo ad campaign that united dollars of beenenton did at the festival yesterday. you remember it had president obama making out with the hugh hugo

shaftes chaves. it won the grand prix. >> everybody should kiss everybody. right? >> a big allegation. >> stay away from me. don't get close to me. >> from nba player chris humphreys about kim kardashian saying she accused kim's mom of making her famous. >> your mom didn't stage her sex tape. >> kim and on oprah winfrey saying that did introduce her to the world. new allegations come in the form of text messages to another ex-girlfriend she has been served a subpoena by kim's legal team. >> by staging, the mother said i didn't like the first version? do it again? >> mom is in the corner holding lighting. >> i know i show all of my sex tapes to my mom.

>> absolutely. >> mom, how does this one look? >> dan henning, bravo. so while we are having lots of fun, not so much fun on capitol hill these days. seems like the house of representatives can't do a damn thing. here to talk about that is perhaps the -- somebody who i have known for a while who has run the most important news rooms on capitol hill that covered congress and the agencies, charlie mitchet, editor in chief of an operation i am also involved in called take action news. charlie covers congress and the agencies and alsoing a gret gates stuff out there and what makes may site different. correct me if i am getting this wrong, not doing the right elevator pitch is provides information to people that how these stories impact them and what they can do to take action to influence outcomes charactering a member of congress. how is that? >> right. >> that's exactly right, david. we are trying to provide people

with a good explanation of what's going on here in washington and them take it a step further and say, this is how you can get involved. we are not going to tell people what -- you know what they should do, what their position should be, but we are going to say, these are the options. these are some of the best ways to influence outcomes in these debates. >> let's talk about one of the debates ranging now. student loans, we heard pompom talk yesterday about the impact if congress did not do something. where does the negotiation stand over the student loan bill? >> the latest news early this morning is that they are moving toward a compromise. you and i have talked about this a bunch over the last fewer months, and -- few months. >> that's the thing. this has been dragging outed over months. it's really quite ridiculous. now, they are coming up against a june 30th deadline at which point students across the country, millions of students are going to see their loan rate double. so finally, they are coming around to getting something

done. it's been a dispute over how to pay for it. and frankly, both sides offered ways to pay for the cost of this, which is about $6,000,000,000 to prevent the student loan rate from doubling. they came up with ways to pay for it that were paetsch to the other side. they were almost designed to be paetsch for the other side. now, they are getting off of that. they are working through ways to come up with it, and there could be a breakthrough as soon as today on this. i think this is going to happen. it would be a political disaster for both sides to let these loan rates double. >> yeah, they are a big issue, of course, in the house that we have talked about on our radio show, of course, charlie is the transportation bill. senator chris cruz democrat from del away and he suggested the house republicans are deliberately sabotaging summertime construction work which would put a drag on the economy and that they are doing it for political purposes. whether you believe that or not,

it's been clear that the transportation bill which passed in bi-partisan fashion in the senate has had some problems in the house. where does that one stand? >> i think that one is also getting closer to resolution. it's another one that has a june 30th deadline. funding will disappear in one week if they can't come to a deal. the second-ranking democrat in the senate dirk durbin from illinois said yesterday that 61,000 construction jobs in illinois will vanish if there isn't an agreement. if they have to go to a temporary extension of highway programs because they can't reach a deal next week durbin said that companies just aren't going to go forward and contracts won't be extended. so there are a lot of jobs at stake in this one. and with the unemployment rate stuck over 8% and the economy still in very, very fragile condition, i think members of congress are starting to get a

little panicky that they are not going to be able to finish this and, you know, we have the koon's comments yesterday but i thought the most remarkable thing was probably the comments that we didn't hear yesterday. and that's a positive in this case, david. there were some statements that came out around midday expressing optimism from leadership and comments that things were beginning to move forward and then it's been radio silence since then which says to me that the real -- the members who are really, really negotiating this thing are behind closed doors and they are trying to get it done. there have been these marathon sessions in negotiations and every indication we get is that the differences are beginning to narrow and they should be close. now, the leaders on both sides, well aware of what a disaster is our hands if they can't get this

thing done set a deadline of today to come to an agreement. the people who have been negotiating have said well, that's pushing it. we probably capital get it done today. but they have already made plans to come in and negotiate over the weekend. congress is going to work over the weekend. how about that? >> amazing. >> a miracle in and of itself. >> on the other side of this break, we will talk with charlie mitchell about some of the ways whether it's a particular issue whether it's of any interest to you out there in radioland or watching on current tv. there is a particular issue that technology exists for you to contact your member of congress easily with just a couple of clicks and to find relevant information and to tell your friends and organize. and charlie from take action news is going to talk about that on the other side of this break. you are listening to the bill press show. you may be watching it too. thanks for listening and being with us. ♪ >> heard around the country and seen on current tv, this is the

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[ ♪ theme music ♪ ] is >> live on your radio and current t.v. david: david shuster, the editor and chief of take action news and take action news i believe, in the next couple of years will have as much brand power in the world of journalism as kleenex does in the world of tissues. it's a different. concept. the way i guess i try to explain it to family and friends is that right now, you or i, anybody out there can have sort of a reaction to a story you hear on

radio or t.v. you may have an emotional reaction. now, about all you can do is write a blog post but the idea with take action is to make it easier to influence outcomes by contacting the newsmakers in the story, the government agencies the lawmakers. >> that's right. we want to make it easy now, the concerned citizen, to get right to the decision maker and to let your opinion be known. we are trying to provide information on the things that government is doing that are going to have an impact on your life. so so, you know, you can get the insight on what's happening. and then right there, as you are reading the story, you will have the tools to weigh in and do something. our suite of tools dashboard is going to be imbedded in these stories so that it's just a

one-step process. if you were interested on what's going on on the student loan situation, you could right there, boom, send your opinion to your member of congress. you can get in touch with federal agencies. you can get in touch with local media. this is what we are being out right now. >> right now, if you go to takeactionnews.com, it will take you to a facebook page but that that will transition to a website. you put a like on the facebook page an get the notifications the charlie one of the things i think a lot of people don't quite realize is they say there is so much money in politics how can we get our government back? yet as you and i know, when you talk to members of congress sometimes, oftentimes, they are more moved when they hear from their own constituents on a particular issue than when they hear from people writing checks that enable them to spend money on ads. >> that's absolutely right, david. the people probably don't realize it, but when you if you

send an e-mail to your member of congress, if you get in contact directly with them about an issue that you care about, that has -- it just has an out-sized influence on the way members of congress react because most people don't weigh in. to the extent people don't say i support this ledge slashings kind of clears the field for the lobbyists to have more influence over this stuff because the member of congress hears from the representatives of all of the interest groups. they are all going to be banging on the congressman's door every day. and so, to a certain extent the lawmaker hears from them. >> that's the input that the member of congress gets when an average citizen, when a typical american weighs in and says this is good or bad, the lawmaker knows wow.

this is having some kind of resonanswer back in my district people in my district are hearing about it and i better pay attention to it. >> particularly if it's verified that this is someone who is a constituent. what's so great about the technology you have on take action news and there's a way for members of congress for them to verify and make it an easy processes that yes, it's easy for members of congress to see, okay, this person who is writing to me, they are, in fact a constituent of mine. >> that's right. and we are working at take action, we are working with a firm called pop vox.com, which has done some great stuff on the technical side to make sure that everything they send through to congress is verified and that members of congress know that it's a truth worthy source. if it says it's coming from somebody in their district, it's

true. and they will know it's coming from somebody who lives in their district. >> charlie one other thing i guess we should mention now is that social media is one of these important tools. we have heard it not just in our work but on all sites that social media campaigns are such an important part of the political landscape. explain how that works. >> i think it really took awhile for members of congress to catch on to that. but now, there is somebody in every congressional office who is monitoring what's going on on twitter, what's going on, on facebook. they are watching the traffic. they are looking to see what issues are going viral and what people are talking about and sending things around on and members of congress who are not generally the most technologically advanced people on the planet, they are starting to tweet and they are starting to get engaged in the social media dialogue. so it's really a fascinating moment. it's something that we have seen a real evolution on just in the past couple of years. >> it also means that when you

have a site like take action news that can enable folks to tweet to members of congress and start petitions, it actually increases the power that all of us have as news consumers to influence outcomes. charlie mitchell take action news editor-in-chief. you can see his stuff at takeaction.com and see him every saturday on weact radio.com from noon to 3:00 saturday. thanks as always. we will talk with you on the radio tomorrow. thank you for being part of the bill press show. we appreciate it. >> i appreciate it, too. >> absolutely. charlie mitchell. by the way, nobody has covered congress better and more effectively, i think, for longer than charlie mitchell. he is a young guy, believe it or not. great stuff at takeactionnews.com. we will talk about healthcare. what happens if the supreme courtthrows out the affordable care act? what will that do to you? what will that do to our politics? when the bill press shows continues. >> this is the bell press show.

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kapps, the national healthcare correspondent? >> thank you for having me. >> margot let's assume the supreme courthrows it out and says, no, the law is unconstitutional. what are the things that begin to happen right off of the bat? >> i think i should start by saying very pew people think that is the most likely thing that could happen. it's the most exciting thing that there would be repercussions for lots and lots of people. i think it's important to realize this law has been law since 2010 and there have been a lot of provisions already in place. some are ones we talk about like rules requiring young adults under 26 to stay on their parents' policies, rules that require preventive services to be paid without co-payments but there are lots of other things. the law was just this big law and, it funded a lot of programs like the indian health service. it changed around how medicare pays doctors and hospitals and

all of the other providers that it pays and there is a real concern that if the law just suddenly comes off of the books that medicare won't know how to pay any of its providers and that could create chaos, too. >> chaos as far as medicare reimbursements for doctors and providers, also chaos in terms of what the insurance companies do because they are essentially locked into a guaranteed pool of people who can essentially help defray the costs of people who get sick. that changes if the healthcare law gets passed? >> that hasn't happened yet. >> that's something that's going to happen in 2014. starting in 2014, if the law was going to roll out the insurance companies would have to basically give a policy to anyone who signed up and they wouldn't be able to charge more to people who had a health history that, you know might mean they would be a more expensive customer. if the law goes forward, that will mean that lots of people who capital get insurance now are going to be able to get insurance in the future. the whole law gets tossed out, we are back in the universe we

were in before the law which is you have a health history problematic, you are not going to be able to get insurance easily and if you are, it's probably going to be expensive and isn't going to include what you need. >> if you are 24, 25 years old and people listening who have a son or daughter who happens to be on the family policy, that's covered right now 24, 25-year-olds can be on their parents' coverage but if that gets out, what does that family do? >> i think people who have their policy this year no one is going to get kicked off of their policy the day after the court issues a decision but it's a question about next year when it comes time to renew whether insurance companies are going to continue to cover those young adults. three of the largest private insurers and said publically whatever the supreme court says, we are going to continue to have this policy on our books but it's not everyone. blue cross plans didn't say they would do that. and so of course, you know, that's a voluntary agreement they have made. it makes me think next year if you are a united customer or if

you are annette in a customer and you have a child who is a young adult, that person is probably going to be able to stay on pure policy but, you know, not forever necessarily. >> talk with margot sanger-katz. during the break, you were telling me about an amazing poll as far as people knowledge or i should say lack of knowledge about healthcare, particularly involving the supreme court. >> yes. the kaiser family foundation does this amazing poll every month where they ask people about their attitudes about the healthcare law and they did one in march right before the supreme court heard the oral arguments in the case and they asked people, you know, what's going on with this case? has the supreme court overturned the law? have they not decided it yet? are you not sure? and a combined 42% of people who were asked said either it's already been overturned or that they weren't sure. and, you know, this is just one of many questions that kaiser had asked over these last few months that reveal that, you know, people aren't really aware

of the details about what's going on with this law. another interesting set of questions they ask is: they ask people how they felt about a bunch of different provisions in the law, things like a ban on the last time limits or the requirement that insurers cover preventative healthcare without co-payments. what they found for those provisions is that large amounts of people liked those ideas but if they asked, did you know this was in the law very small groups said that they did. the only exception to this is the individual mandate which is at the heart of the supreme court case because of all of the coverage, i think, people definitely know that's in the law. and they do not like it. >> so the idea that people are forced to have something, people are sort of aware of that argument. but when you have, as you mentioned, 42% who think either the supreme court has ruled on this or they don't know and that's just on, you know where the case stands. the idea that people may be informed as to what's actually in this thing, it becomes almost

monumental to try to explain to most of the american people. >> yeah. i think it's been a wreathing struggle for the white house and department of health and human services to do that since the law has been passed. the republicans are fond of, you know, saying it's 2700 pages. it's a big law. it had big objectives and people who designed it felt it had to change the healthcare system in a lot of ways that were related and overlapping in order to accomplish all of the goals. the downside is that plic indicated policy is differenticult to explain. >> i will ask you a complicated, difficult question. >> that's one of the things the supreme court could conceivably do is they will strike down not the entire thing but just parts of it. explain which parts do you think might be vulnerable and how that impacts healthcare for most americans. >> sure. i think there are twoling scenarios. one is there is this individual

mandate, the requirement that everyone either carry some type of health insurance or pay a fee to the federal government. there is this argument that, you know, it's not constitutional to require people to purchase insurance. so that's the first question before the court is: will this provision hold up? if the court says no, they could decide, okay. we are just going to get rid of this one provision and we will leave the whole rest of the law on the books and it that has consequences. another thing that could happen is take out a couple of provisions that regulate insurance markets that were closely tied together in the design of the law. if they just take out the mandate, here is the problem: the law requires, as we said that insurance companies give insurance to anyone who signs up and that they can't charge more to people who are older or sicker. and so there is a fear if there is no individual mandate that people will wait until they are sick to buy insurance. um, you could sign up for insurance on the way to the hospital and the insurance company will have to take you and that what that could do is create a situation in which only

sick people have insurance and prices get very high for everyone which means even those sort of responsible healthy people whom want to buy insurance are going to be priced out of the market. >> that's something that has happened in a couple of states that have tried that particular policy in the past and insurance has gotten more expensive and the number of people insured in those states declined. there are some reasons to think that won't necessarily happen to that degree with the federal law because there are a lot of other provisions designed to encourage people to get insurance in the affordable care act including really big tax subsidies to help middle income people so they won't have to pay that much out of pocket. they may be more inclined to buy insurance. >> talking with margot sanger-katz. if you have your own questions about what the supreme court may or may not do and how that might impact you or your family, give us a call at 1866-55 press. i am going to ask a couple of questions i have about what the

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do it in realtime and in some cases on live t.v. i am glad i am not one of them because that's brutal. talking with margot sanger-katz 1866557377. if you have questions about how the supreme court ruling next week may impact you and your family, margot is an expert on this stuff. margo, my question is because i love the policy angle, but let's just suppose that the supreme court says no. the federal government cannot require you, cannot require you to have health insurance. the options, then, are: well the states can still do that and the states i suppose, there could be financial incentives for people to opt in. how might that work? >> it's pretty clear the states have can have individual state man dates. >> that's what massachusetts did. there was never a challenge. i don't think there are a lot of states eager to do this. i think it is probably more

political tough given the outcry about the mandate. people talk about other policies that could help encourage more people to buy insurance. so one is that they could just like auto enroll everyone in a policy but you could opt on you but the default would be that you would get insurance. another option is that they could allow insurance companies to hit you with a big penalty if you sign up late. so if you sign up right away, you get the nice low price. if you wait until you are sick then maybe the first couple of years of your plan will be more expensive. the problem, i think, with any of those solutions is that it's probably not realistic to expect congress to pass anything especially anytime soon to try to fix this law. it's just such a big political mine field a and, b, congress is not in the habit of passing any legislation right now. >> one of the pie in the sky dreams that folks on the left have is that if this is struck down by the supreme court, somehow maybe this opens the door to revisit this at some point and have universal coverage, medicare for all.

first of all would that work? never mind politically if you could get it done but if you say we will make medicare available for everybody, is that feasible? >> it's interesting so there is absolutely no constitutional problem with that at all. everyone acknowledge that. the challengers to the law, the conservatives on the court, the liberals who want it to be the way it is. there were some interesting comments about justice, brett cavanagh who is a sort of young, famous conservative judge on the d.c. circuit. he heard one of these cases earlier this year. he basically said to conservatives challenging the law, be careful, you know, a lot of republican policy is based on this idea maybe we want to, you know, privatize some of these traditionally government run functions. if we throw this out the window, it will arefo close a lot of those possibilities about maybe having education vouchers or

privatized social security accounts and ruth bader ginsburg pointed out to paul arguing in favor of the states that this may mean all we will have the social security model where it's a tax and spend system. everyone pays and the government provides the service and you don't have this complex private-public system envision the by the healthcare law. >> curt from columbus ohio. you are on with margot and david shuster. welcome to the bill press show. >> thank you, david. i appreciate the opportunity to call in and comment on this issue. i have been working at the state level to try to get a universal care system. you know, we have legislation in the state of ohio that won't go anywhere. there has been federal legislation proposed by john conniers and others that won't go anywhere.

i would agree medicare for all is the best solution. instead of paying premiums to for-profit insurance companies, let's pay a tax into one pool, pool our money together from birth to death and everyone will be covered. it happens in every other civilized country in the world. and they compete against us on part of that basis. i used to be an auto worker once upon a time. but the jobs went away. the largest producer of automobiles and automobile parts is ontario, canada in north america. part of the reason is they have a very low-cost healthcare system. >> margot, what do you mumping of it? how difficult would it be to transition from our current hep healthcare system to something like he is talking about? >> it's hard to imagine it happening in this country. the main reason is the political one. i think in this country, we are very uncomfortable with government-run anything. and the political backlash against this law which is not

creating a government run system is a pretty good example of the way the discussion would be if we were talking about universal healthcare. but the other problem is that it would just create huge disruptions to the way that care is currently delivered. we have a system where hospitals and doctors are kind of private contract orders and they, you know, operate with their own -- in their own business parameters. we have this really large for-profit insurance system and for-profit pharmaceutical drug system. the idea we would tell those insurers, sorry, you are out of business tomorrow and tell these doctors, sorry, you know, we are going to pay you in this completely different way, you can imagine, you know, all of the opposition to that and all of the disruption it would cause en if it was passed. >> margot sanger-katz, our healthcare correspondent, one more break and i will ask morguot and put her on the spot about what's going to happen at the separate property next week. more with the bill press show after this. >> on your radio and on current tv, this is the bill press show.

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[ ♪ theme ♪ ] [ music ] >> this is the billfull court press the bill press show, live on your radio and on current tv. >> top of the hour we will talk about some of the latest developments in egypt changing the equation in the middle east and talk about the week that was in the world of media. but our final moments on this topic on healthcare and what the supreme court will do, margo sanger-katz, our healthcare correspond ent covering politics and policy. margot, you are on the spot now, the supreme court, we assume

they have made their decision already. it's a matter of the opinion being announced, the written opinion being released at the supreme court. what is the supreme court going to do? >> i think it is really really difficult to predict. i don't just say that because i don't want to be wrong. they asked the poll of all of the insiders former clerks and lawyers before the oral arguments, about 35% said they thought the mandate would be overturned. they did the poll again this week. that number was up about 50%. so i think a lot of the observers going in thought this was a pretty strong case for the government but the tenor of the oral arguments did suggest come of the republican appointees on the court had discomfort with this law. i think if i was going to predict, i would predict it would come down but all or most of all of the rest of the law will stay on the books. we will see. >> i will join you in that. i will say they are not going to throw out the entire thing probably a better than even chance they throw out the mandate.

what will be interesting for you and your colleagues who cover this is the chaos and confusion even if they just strike the mandate and how does that affect affect other parts of the law and the pricing and the insurance companies will be pretty complicated. >> yeah. i think one good thing is that all of that complication is passed off into 2014. i think it does give everyone a little bit of time to kind of take a deep breath, think about what's going to happen. it's going to allow congress to think about do we want to fix this or repeal the rest of the law? unlike overturning the whole thing where everything is in effect now going to be thrown into chaos just repealing the mandate or some of those closely related provisions, we will have two years to figure it out. >> margot sanger-katz,@margot underscore mj. how well divorced are you at being able to respond to complex healthcare tweets? >> i am getting there.

i am new to twitter but i try. >> margot, thank you. we appreciate it. >> very nice to be here. >> nice being here. again, folks next week bill press, by the way, he will be back next week. be sure to join bill and stephanie miller in the mornings because regardless of what the supreme court does with this healthcare law it is -- it doesn't get much more dramatic than this as far as news and anticipation and angxiety and you are talking about something that affects a huge part of the economy and will affect large parts of that sector. no matter what the supreme court does, high drama from the united states supreme court. be sure to watch current for the latest details. coming up, we will talk about the middle east and what's going on there in egypt and how that affects u.s. interests. a couple of things have changed over the last 48 hours. we will explain. you are watching and listening to the bill press show. ♪

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affected. we will sort it out. first, the current news update with our friend, jacki schechner. jacki, my apologies. the next hour is a justin beiber-free zone. >> three words, never say never. the romney campaign is out with a new state-specific ad today running in iowa, north carolina, village and ohio. he finally, gets past day 1 and hones in on jobs. >>pom president romney's first 100 days, for ohio, already a better place to do business as we see more factories and jobs coming back. >> get this. the washington post took a look at fcc filings and found out when mitt romney was the head of bain capital they invested in a bunch of companies that pioneered the practice of outsourcing jobs to china and india. they show bain not only put money into the companies but invested management and strategic advice.

outsourcing can be good for a consumer prices and companies' specifics but it wreaks havoc on workers and communities. in response to questions about mitt romney's time at bain capitol, his campaign likes to say they are successful with their business model and revenue growth. mitt romney will start his three-day long palloza. i wanted an invite, too. you know who did get invited? well, anyone who has contributed at least $50,000 to the romney campaign. it's basically an excuse for deep-pocketed contributors to meet other deep-pocketed contribute orders. the event kicks off with a speech by mitt romney. karl rove, paul ryan, bobby zindall, marco rubio declined his invitation saying he wanted to spend more time with his family. >> that's what they always say. back with more david shuster filling in for bill press after the break. stay with us.

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carnage. a lot a lot of folks are talking about the george zimmerman/trayvon martin case. yesterday, zimmerman in florida was asked by police to go back to the scene and essentially reenact for them what happened and the session was recorded and here is how zimmerman described what went down. >> like he looked at it. he said, you are going to die tonight, (bleep) and he reached for it but he reached like i felt like his arm going down to my side and i grabbed it and i just grabbed my firearm and shot. >> first, zimmerman said he didn't realized that trayvon martin had been hit. peter, what do you make of this? peter: it's a creek creepy video to watch to be perfectly honest because it was done the day after or two days after he shot trayvon martin. so he still has a giant bandage on the back of his head and you could see his face is sort of messed up. and it's at the exact spot where he shot the kid.

so it's creepy to watch because you know what happened there. but, you know, the big thing here, i think, is even if you watch this video and you listen to his defense, it doesn't necessarily help his case. >> uh-huh. >> because the whole point here is he pursued him, and he went after him. so maybe trayvon did get in some sort of a scuffle. i don't know that that's in dispute. but what caused it? you have some weird-0 following him. >> i agree with cyprian bowlding this morning who just said a few minutes ago, this is george zimmerman trying to put on a good defense. i think that's got to be how you view it. rielle hunter, she is making the rounds to promote her book. she gave an interview to abc news in which she asked for some sympathy. listen to the questions from cuomo and her reaction. >> what do you think the reaction is when the woman who is sleeping with the husband

starts talking about the wife who is now dead from cancer? >> there are a lot of people that go, wow. i understand. i get it t and a lot of people will be outraged. and i feel for both my daughter and for all of the kids involved. the the full truth needs to be in the public domain. their father is not a demon and their mother is not a saint and i am not a home-wrecker. we are real human beings. there was a real dynamic going on, good and bad and we all made mistakes. >> but rielle, the mother she is dead. she is dead. she has died. the point in all of this is, you know, here you are saying she is not -- saying nasty things about a woman who has died. let her rest in peace. good grief. anyway. dan? on that note dan: on this friday, other head likes making news not close in the nba fields.

miami heat took care of the oklahoma city thunder 121 to 106, winning the championship in the highly or much shortened season. took the tall he want to south beach. it paid foreoff for lebron james, 26 points, eleven rebounds last night. >> he deserves it. >> whatever. >> come on. >> give him his stupid crown and he can be king of miami. >> peter is so happy. >> a fight between cbs and abc over a new reality show. cbs taking abc to court last week to try to stop them from airing "glass house" saying it was an exact copy of "big brother," which has aired for years successful on cbs. the judge denied it saying the show could air and would not damage cbs at all. so cbs took things into their hands and issued a press release yesterday full of sarcasm saying it has a new show coming out called "dancing on the starts" takes place in a cemetery featuring a moderately well

known people who will dance on stars' graves. >> that's an interesting concept. >> really. >> not letting the dead rest in piece. >> peace. >> that very indication form for the bus aide bullied has topped 330,000 years, over 10,000 people have donated so far. karen klein yesterday said she doesn't want the kids charged with a crime. the public thinks otherwise. nbc news reporting those kids are receiving police protection. >> i think what they ought to do with the money, they should take every 11, 12, 1313-year-old child and build them their own little island and leave them there. they are the worst. all of them the worst. they are rude little bastards. any of them would do this if they had the chance. >> bravo peter. i am with you. dan henning, appreciate it. interesting developments in the

last 48 hours. hosni, dead, alive or in a coma and the impact on the united states and our interests in the region, will dobson the slate politics and foreign affairs editor, online at legislate.com and williamjdate of birthson and the dick peters 11ing curve, welcome to the program. >> thank you for having me. >> the first question. mubarak, dead, in a coma? what do we know? and does it matter? >> we don't know. >> that's the bottom line. anyone who says they know, you know, they don't know. we have had reports that he was clinically dead. then his lawyer came out and said no. he actually fell in the bathroom. he's doing fine. i mean basically this is a man who has been unhealthy for years. his health is really the least of it. there is so much going on script right now whether mubarak is here today or tomorrow actually won't change that much.

he script is sort of famous. i, for the book, i was in tahrir square. you go from one cafe to the next, you will hear one conspiracy theory so it feasts the machine that very much is egypt but it doesn't really matter too much where he stands. >> one thing that has confused me and this is going to make me sound stupid and shallow, but so be it. a lot of people have their opinion. he is always wearing sunglasses in these photos. what's up with that? >> the eyes are the window to the soul and he doesn't want anyone to sort of see how badly he is taking this. i mean, you know, when he is in court, you know, in egypt, when you are a defendant, you are actually in a cage in the court. and so when he has been there in this cage during the corporatedhe court proceedings proceedings, his son have stood to try to block the cameras. he has been wearing the sunglasses because they don't want people to see the tears and the tears have been caught. you know we have got glimpses of it and whatnot. i don't think there is any

question that, you know, this is very difficult for him to go through through. this is a man who has been 30 years trying to prevent him ever having his own successfulor. he is watching this unfold. this has to be painful for him, not that it's not deserved. >> it seems like there is something of a leadership vacuum or power vacuum. he script used to be one of the largest recipients of u.s. foreign aid. the relationship was at least pretty stabilizing regardless of what you thought of mubarak and his rege-mailimeregime. is there some danger in terms of our interests in the region? >> yes because we can't say where it's going. on some level action there isn't that much change in the sense that if you really were to label what mubarak's regime was, it was a military dictator ship. what you have in having people rise up and try and oust him is in some ways succession not a revolution, because the military sees this moment as a way to

push mubarak aside and to sort of recement its control. the military was the backbone of that regime. the last thing they want to see is see someone that's not a general being charged. it's important to remember that mubarak's plan was to put his son as the successor, a man who had no military pedigree at all. this is a way for them to avowed gamal. he sits in prison like his father, and we see the military trying to gain the situation so that they can keep control room. their moves in the last week the power grabs are incredible. and really should be completely effective. >> how so? >> you know, they came forward and said okay. don't worry, egypt. we will be the democratic steward did of this process. so for the last 16 months we have been watching them guide a process which is frankly almost impossible to follow because it's so contradictory and baffling at every turn. what they see last week is they

see the muslim brotherhood about to do very well in polls. so before the presidential e elections were even over they said, okay one, we are going to dissolve parliament. so that was mainly muslim brotherhood dominated parliament. likely it. hate it. they were they are the ones e legitimated. now they are gone. before before the voting closes, this office you have been competing for, the presidency we will stip it of most of it's powers. they do that on sunday. now we see the protests going on egypt, we have been spending this time competing for an office you have basically made an empty. so they are trying to control everything. at the same time giving press conferences saying don't worry. we remain committed to democracy. the words are one thing. the actions are their end game. >> the images that have come from the middle east throughout the arab spring have been move to go a lot of americans and a lot see perhaps a connection or sympathy or empathy for those people, demonstraighting on the streets getting beaten but in this particular case, again it

is the muslim brotherhood which has the lion's share and the overall aims of the muslim brotherhood are not particularly for the united states or our allie ally, israel. >> gray 1 million people have a voice, you know, and by repressing these people we have actually, you know, mubarak's regime, what we see here, the evidence, the fruit, is that it gives the muslim brotherhood sort of a moral high ground that they might not otherwise have. what you do find when islamist parties come to power throughout the world is that they do really well in the first election. after that, they don't do so well because then they are actually judged on their record. think instead of coming out and saying islam is the solution doesn't get people clean water. once you fail to deliver, most voters are rationally saying, i need to give the other guy a chance. there is always a concern with a group like this, there is one,

you know, one vote one time. but look, not in egypt because as we see, first of all, the people are a huge player now. that was never true before. they actually had a taste of coming out and saying i want something and seeing results from it. so they are not going to be docile. the myth of egyptian voter appear either is over. you have competing forces here, but to sort of just make the whole process illegitimate, that's what feeds the processing expect of violence. >> will dobson our slight political affairs editor, we are going to talk about the threat from iran iran >> where things stand with a possible israel and perhaps joint and what's going in syria and a deal to try to get the dictator bashear assad out of there. more on the other side of this break. >> live on your radio and current tv.

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[ ♪ theme music ♪ ] [ music ] >> on your radio and on current tv, this is the bill press show. >> david shuster in this morning. we are talking with will dobson the slate politics and foreign affairs editor. we are talking about the middle east. the carnage in syria, there seems to be an effort to try to get bashar assad out of power. where do things stand? >> we are on the bloody path. when they look at syria, they don't see good options. you don't have a libya model

here where it's going to be easy and you don't have an international opinion even really all in one place. the chinese and the russians they have no interest in seeing assad go. we are putting as much pressure as we can on them. but it's not going to buy us much. what we have now is the talk of a possible clemency deal some sort of following the yemen model saying if you will leave, we won't prosecutore you. at the same time and what's more interesting because it's a meaningful thing that's happening, is you see defenses in the military. one sort of example we are all looking at right now is the syrian fighter pilot that flew his mig to jordan yesterday and requested asylum. what's happening is, you know, we think about this as this 250,000 strong syrian army but that number is misleading because that's the rough total figure for the military. really, assad can only call on a

much smaller percentage loyal to him. what's happening is as uprisings are growing around the country they can't send their utilities to each uprising. they have so send units with units to watch those units because there is only a certain percentage that are actually loyal. what's happening is as it is sort of like a game of whack-a-mole for assad right now. the situation, i think we can say, you know, i don't know if it will be this year. i don't know if it will be next year, but assad's grip is slipping. >> there was news this week that the united states and israel had come up with a new computer virus to try to slow down iran's efforts to build up its's nuclear nuclear. nuclear centrifuges how likely do you see us having a war with iran by the end of the summer? >> i certainly hope not. i think the likelihood is low

because at the end of the day, i think that the united states and israel both understand that if you want to actually have anyone rally to the support of this regime, which has many of its own problems, nobody could do that better than a war. that is, you know, that's just the case again and again and again. if you are trying to sort of bring about regime change or democracy and it involves guns show me the place where that worked. i think that's just generally understood and in this administration, as much as anything, i think there is just concern to make sure that israel doesn't get too far ahead of the united states or shares our opinion on these things. but i mean you know, there has been a lot of tough talk out of israel and understandably sew but at the same time we don't see the actions on the ground that one would go through if one was prepping for war. it is not that that couldn't be done quickly. it could. there is much more to be gained by talking tough talk because we are trying to get something out of the negotiatingtable and to both sides' credit, they are not waiting for talks with iran to price fruit. we see these off-the-table

actions like the computer viruss. >> will dobson's book and before we let you go, a story about hugo chavez and how he is running his government. >> back and forth to havan a. while i was there, he is out of power, even though technically you are not allowed by venezuelaan's law to run a country when you are outside a country. he is and et cetera doing it by twitter. he sends edicts to his advisors. i believe in the cuban hospital where they have him, pretty much he has like a presidential office set up there now. and, you know, the guy is -- you know, we know that he has serious health problems with his cancer advancing. they didn't stop it in the early stages but he leads in the polls route now. but -- right now. i spent time in vend wal venzuela. they are gunning for the

opposition. last weekend, they had massive sort of support for the opposition. this will be this fascinating contest to watch which comes to head in october. >> the opposition, they are going to have to bone up on their media savvy skills. >> absolutely. >> will dob sorn the slate politics and foreign affairs editor, "the dictator's learning curve" you can follow will at willjdobson and willjdobson.com. >> great. >> coming up on the bill press show, we have another half hour of some fascinating discussions about -- we were talking about people who are saavy with the media. what about people here in the united states who are part of the media? some of their miscues over the past week. we will talk about that ahead when the bill press show continues. >> this is the bill press show.

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we said, it's easy to find out what kind of executive privilege is being asserted. look it up. talk to somebody. and the executive privilege that they are asserting involves something known as deliberative process. in other words, discussions between officials at the justice department. there is no discussion involving president obama that the white house is trying to protect. michelle malkin goes on fox news and she says based upon the executive privilege that has been asserted and the way they have done this president obama is in the middle of this in the middle of fast and furious. >> you might think michelle malkin might be the only one to get it that wrong, but she is not. right? it's actually the entire channel. you know, as you know we have staff that have the high privilege of getting to watch fox all day long. we did that already today for hours and i am afraid to say that i am sure that they have seen that already happening again and again by fox hosts, anchors, contribute orders getting it totally wrong about what this executive privilege

is, but why? of course, i mean it's for a political purpose. they want to make obama look background bad. of course. he has exerted executive privilege in a way, of course president bush did the very first time in bush's presidency when he exerted executive privilege, it was over doj documents. you know, they are trying to say that this shows that the president was somehow directly personally involved. the documents have nothing to do with the fast and furious operation itself. it's the administration's response to it. so, you know, good luck. good man in your fight with michelle malkin. >> when i talked to some of my more intellectual friends on the right and i do have some they are embarrassed because they say there is an argument to be made. jon stewart did it the other night that perhaps the obama administration should not assert executive privilege. but when people go on fox news and deliberately get things wrong or are so slopny their reporting that they say things that are not true, it undermines

the credibility and gets to the idea that the republicans now and the republican mouthpiece of fox news is all about dumbing things down to the lowest common den denominateor they will take advantage people are not paying attention and people are trusting fox news to explain things for them. >> it's a dangerous pattern. it happens again and again. my concern is that sometimes you have issues of lazy reporting these days demands on journalists are so high. maybe you will get it wrong sometimes. but when they get it wrong, the total refusal to acknowledge that because its purposeful. i mean this is totally politically motivated. this is a channel that is dedicated non-stop coverage to this thing and starting far before, you know, these latest developments. this is news, of course, you know, when there is contempt and executive privilege. obviously it makes sense there would be news coverage of these things but compare it to any other channel that is treating this like a news story, reporting on it, giving balanced

side, point of view, then you have fox running a campaign a campaign against eric holder. this has been going on, you know, for i believe over a year even. and you can very quickly see the double standard they are holding the obama administration and holder to as well if you look back to, just say 2011 when there were contempt issues raised. >> involving karl rove. >> under the bush administration and fox, you know, maybe you can get six or seven minutes of coverage on something like that compared to hours and hours. you know, this is they are not a news organization. it's a political operation. and a political operation has campaign goals. and they operate like a campaign. one of their goals is to bring down high-level figures within the obama administration. you know i think the american people would appreciate a little bit more of a focus on the things that they care about in their day-to-day lives. but this is part of their campaign. it's their mo. >> the way that i see that sort of point being proven is, look,

i do think there are some journalists over at response news. there are some people who have some self respect as journalists but what happens is -- look i can also expect if you book karl rove on a show, he is going to say -- he is going to do what he can to try to tear down the obama administration. i get that. my problem with fox is when karl rove is up there saying something that is flat-out not true about executive privilege and he is contradicting something when he was in the exact same position four years ago and there is nothing from the fox news anchor. no hey wait a second, carl, weren't you in the same position? didn't you also assert deliberative process, executive privilege when you did it? didn't it mean this wasn't involving conversations? there is no follow-up. >> david -- >> no skepticism at all? >> that would be real journalism. >> that's a pretty high expectation. unfortunately, we are dealing with fox news. you are absolutely right. that should be the standard. but it doesn't happen.

when someone like karl rove, so he is a fox news contributor. he is head of crossroads gps that is raising hundreds of millions of dollars to spend in this campaign. he comes on, talks about campaign all the time in ways that are helpful to his fundraising strategy. they are not ever disclosing his role in funneled raising, this massive alternates of secret money for the campaign. they have no interest in holding him accountable, challenging him. >> that's way off of campaign plan, david. so it ain't going to happen. >> i got in a little bit of trouble with some folks on the left this week because i took andrea mitchell to task in her show on msnbc because they took a clip of mitt romney out of context and made a judgment about what they thought the clip showed. but in the course of doing that, i reminded people that, you know, the reason that i was pressing andrea mitchell at msnbc because they have standards, a sort of different

set of standards they are trying to adhere to. >> that's why i say it's importance for the andrea mitchells and more credible organizations to meet that standard as often as possible. everybody is going to make mistakes. when you make a mistake, you apologize but the difference is msnbc and other news organizations when they make a mistake, they usually acknowledge the mistake. at fox, the mistakes are so often and so frequent, it's the rare occasion they will acknowledge, we blew it. we got that wrong. >> i think that kind of accountability is important. at media matters, contacts for us really, really matters when we put up clips, whether it's from a radio show or from fox, any television show, we always give the context on both sides of the quote. people can, hey, judge it for yourself. we are flagging this. we think this is a problem. there is factual issues here. but listen to it for yourself. and i think that's why we have been able to establish a good deal of credibility with the media and with the public and we value that. it's something we value most.

so it's important what you are doing and holding everyone accountable equally, david. you know, i thought it was actually really cool the way in which jay carney did that yesterday at the whitehouse press briefing, jay carney up of course white house spokesperson when he had henry from fox news was badgering again and again about this atf, about fast and furious, you know, saying where are the documents? where are the documents? when is eric holder going to cooperate? badge badgering jay carney and, you know basically carney called him out. he goes, you know, well, as you would know because with your channel, that is to spend enormous times focused on this you would know better than anyone else how cooperative, in fact the attorney general, eric holder has been. it's the moments of accountability, the same kind of thing you are talking about doing that i would love to see more of. you know, i think that whether it is in a white house press briefing or when progressives go on fox news, you know, being willing to talk about their coverage and hold them

accountable for it and to, you know, keep in mind, say, sure let's have a conversation. i will go on your show, but if i do, we are going to have an honest conversation about how you're covering this issue with all of the information that you are leaving out in communicating so-called news to your viewers. and i just think that's a way in which we can hold fox accountable. just be, you know, responsible members of, you know engaging in the news media and recognizing their role katie paris, on the other side i will ask her about accusations i get whenever i do some sort of criticism of fox news and people say you are in bed with media matters. all of your money must come from george soros. we are address that on the other side of this break. you are watching and listening to the bill press show. >> sounds good. >> heard around the country, and seen on current tv this is the bill press show. [ music ]

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is [ ♪ theme music ♪ ] [ ♪ theme music ♪ ] >> on your radio, on t.v. the bill press show new on current tv. >> david shuster here by the way, if you will disclosure i work at fox news from '96 to about 2001. >> get out. >> an insider. >> you know the organization was starting to trend in a way i felt uncomfortable with. so it was sort of mutual agreement that i would leave. i was eager to leave. i think i caused enough trouble over there they were hearing to have me leave. in any case, the organization that it was back then is nothing compared to how things have gone off of the rails now.

talking about that with katie paris. the role of media matters, i always like to say it's sort of like the ombudsman, the organization that fact checks news organizations to make sure that we are precise, to be sure we are accurate. >> you are right. yes, please. we work hard to have that be exact the idea that people have of media matters. >> it's not like, well, you know, media matters only focuses on fox news. i would argue fox news gets the lion's share because they are making more mistakes? >> mistakes. yes. >> i remember, you know, making a mistake or two at msnbc and having media matters ride my you know what. and, you know, it improves journalism when you have an o. >> we are still friends. that's right. >> that's what it's all about. yeah, you are absolutely right. fox news picks up a lot of inc. on our website because there are a lot of infractions, a lot of

miss information and we go where the misinformation is. there is no doubt that it rampant throughout our media. the right-wing blogosphere puts on a lot of pressure on the mainstream media to cover stories maybe they otherwise wouldn't to go to sources and groups, right-wing groups that don't have credibility and put a lot of pressure on the mainstream media. so we think it's important to really hold the line on that too. >> we've got a caller who is going to ask about what can be done about fox news. but to set this up and it's not just fox news t.v. the channel but there is also stuff at fox news.com that's often wrong. there was another example this week. >> it's worse when you go online, you know, you think it get guessed get worse but it can so fox nation is their website where they put up all of their stories online. this week, of course, we had the president's dream decision, you know, very inspiring, you know, letting these kids who have been in the united states, you know,

they were brought here by their parents, they have done everything right. now, you know, the president is saying, let's not focus our attention on deporting these kids who have done everything right. and the way that fox nation the fox news website covered this versus how fox latino covered this to me was enormously telling. it was one of those moments where you say gosh maybe even they know how bad they are. so what happened was that on fox latino, we had the news broken, the headline was: obama administration halts deportation for undocumented children. it has a very inspiring photo of a young, beautiful woman, you know, who is clearly a dreamer you know one of these undocumented young person, standing in front of the capitol, very inspiring. almost making you think obama has done something good. and then, but then you go over to fox nation, the fox news website and the headline is: obama administration beepypasses

congress to give immuneityimmunity, stop deporting young emergency room illegals many news organizations actually said that that word is not allowed in our news coverage because it's a slur. no. it's allowed on fox. and then there is a photo instead of this inspiring photo of this young woman in front of our nation's capitol. instead, it is a photo of young latino men who are sitting on the ground with their hands behind them, clearly in handcuffs, being arrested. there is, you know an officer clearly armed here, you know. >> like a dangerous threat and need to be handcuffed and moved away? >> a tale of two fox news stories here right? but they recognize, when we are speaking to our latino audience we will report this for what it is but on the normal website, let's continue to try to distort reality and make the fear

mongering, using these slurs. moments like these where they expose themselves and i think it's important to kind of always be pulling back the curtain. >> talk to grail dale from freepoint, illinois. >> hi, dale. >> i was wondering if we had any legal recourse for what fox is doing. if i hypothetically spent money based on the misinformation that they gave, could we sue to get that back? >> how much have you got? >> they have deep pockets over at the murdoch embarrasspire. at least they had until the scandal. it's an interesting point. i wonder if your contract with your cable provider might be some sort of basis maybe for somebody to accuse fox of not serving the greater good which used to be the next. fox would argue we don't have any obligation. we are just -- other than to entertain you, which they do. >> right. there are real ways that you can

hold fox accountable and organization tour communities to do that. it's called turning it off, you know. and asking in public places, too, you know, you are at the gas station and they have on fox, saying we don't need that garbage. how about some real news? and so also, you know, a lot of people have had success, you know, in terms of speaking to companies that at this on fox, for example, and saying, is this really consistent with your values? you know, you say that you are a company that is concerned about, you know, climate change or something like that, you know or doesn't believe in discriminating against lgbt people but yet your advertising on this station that has values very inconsistent with that. then those companies can help leverage pressure. what we really want with fox, we want them to report better. we want them to be a news organization. we want to raise their standards.

and, you know, that's what we are really after here. >> i thought the role of journalism, you report like hell, let the chips fall where they may. don't put your thumb on the scale. katie paris, media mattersdorg and follow her at fmaa. final thoughts on the bill press show after this. [ ♪ theme music ♪ ] >> heard around the country and seen on current tv this is the bill press show. welcomes john lithgow. he's played a killer, a woman and now a political pundit. join joy behar one week only until the fall. [ train whistle blows ] [ ball hitting paddle ] [ orbit girl ] don't let food hang around. yeah! [ orbit trumpet ] clean it up with orbit! [ orbit glint ] fabulous! for a good clean feeling. try new orbit micro packs.

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>> on your radio and on current tv, this is the bill press show. >> final thoughts, david shuster here, we mentioned george soros. a lot of people on the right like to mention him as giving money to media matters. if you criticize fox news, somehow you are funded by george soros. the fact of the matter is that media matters, because of the tax status they have, they are required to file disclosure forms. according to them and according to what they say, george soros has given a total of $1 million to media matters. $1 million. each year, media matters has an operating budget of about $13 million. they bring in $13 million from various folks. they have $1 million from george soros. over the last five years, bringing in $60 million to sort of run media matters, the total amount 1/60th. if you have a problem with george soros money, i suggest

you complain to catholic charities organizations where george soros gives far more money to them than he does to media matters. complain and see how that goes. special thanks to peter ogburn. >> man. >> cyprian bowlding, it's been a pleasure. bill press will be back next monday. he has recovered from his little minor procedure. i am sure bill will be happy to be back after i have chased away all of his viewers. >> come on now. >> and, also craig crawford, we are expecting him to join bill in studio and ron pollock with his interesting study about the number of people who die because they don't have health insurance, bill's guest next monday. on behalf of the entire game at current and the bill presses show, i am david shuster. thanks, everybody. have a great weekend. >> this is the bill press show.

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