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>> it's amazing when you think about how far we've come. this is only the mid-90's when it really got started early 90's really. in a lot of ways we're far along with people adapting to a quick cell phone. >> this phone in your hands is more powerful than any computer you used 20 years ago. it's link said to the world. people don't understand the significance of that. i was walking with my kids in los angeles and we ran into a pay phone and my kids are like what's that? they don't have a conception of a world that isn't internet accessible where they can't pull down any movie they want. >> there are kids, i think we've all had the experience of your son going to the t.v. and

punching it. >> he kept hitting the t.v. and he said mom there's something -- the t.v.'s broken. it was the old paradigm of a person sitting back and not being immersed in the experience is over, the couch potato is now a couch potato but gets to interact. >> where you see, is this, we have seen exponential changes in technology or do we always talk in those terms. we talked about the game-changing technology in 1994 1997, are things changing at a speeding rate? >> the car hasn't changed that much considering there's a lot going on in car technology, most time to do with internet accessible carsar self driving cars, but most of the technology used, the refrigerator hasn't changed that much. the internet has changed so

drastically in terms of killing the book industry, people are downloading books the television industry, it moves from industry to industry, how we socialize with each other. the post office is in a great deal of trouble. it's been decimating industries. i think it's going to be faster with the smart phone introduction when it gets to 100%. >> you think the day of the old laptop computer is over? >> it's so funny when you think about it. google just introduced google glass where you wear them and the world becomes computerized through your glasses. >> we saw them a few weeks ago. >> the concept is big. i think it's a bigger concept. the idea of information in front of you in a way. >> and eventually, i imagine it will be contact lenses. >> something like that. >> you won't even know. >> it has to be, or there will be no data or people.

>> no test taking, you'll have all the answers to the test. >> i think you look real nerdy in them. >> i put them on. >> you'd look good in them. >> the tablets are just astonishing. >> google comes out with a tab let. is that a real threat to apple. >> not at this point. they've tried before. everybody asks like every new thing hasn't happened, no one's been able to catch the apple products in terms of profits. that's the really important thing. in terms of numbers probably, but in terms of impact, no. >> where is apple 10 years from now, leading edge? >> i have no idea. that's part of this. tim cook is a really specific c.e.o. and the team is the same that's brought apple this far. they certainly have an edge in a lot of areas but can lose that very quickly. >> let's talk about h.p. >> i was just going to say

a.o.l. >> is h.p. going the way of gateway and wang? >> it's a huge ship to turn around. the stock is at all time lows. they have a vision direction problem, a huge company. these tech companies can go very quickly and people, what's amazion was something like oracle or microsoft has been around a long time. even microsoft has a lot of challenges. >> is microsoft survive with all of these game changing technologies and ability now for people to go on these sites and scale technology with the ways we never could in the past, meaning the high arc typal top down. >> that's fine, they are introducing their own tablets going the apple direction. another large, large company. i think the question is are we going to have all these big companies going forward is there going to be a lot of

smaller companies. >> next i.p.o. that will be, what are you anticipating? >> facebook can slow down the market rather quickly. i don't know of all of them. there are several in the pipeline but there's nothing you know, twitter i suppose, but i expect it to sell before that. >> what do you think you'll be walking past and gazing upon in 5-10 years. >> embedded in people, embedded in cars. people make fun of the driving car, but i think it's a smart idea, a big idea. one of the problems i have with technology now in general is there's a lot of big minds with small ideas word games building farms taking pictures and putting filters on them, all fantastic things, but they're not big ideas. the self driving car is a big idea. reforming health care would be a big idea. figuring out the problems around commuting and gas usage and

energy usage, big ideas. >> host overhyped product overhyped people in the valley? >> well, they're all overhyped. i am. i think the facebook c.e.o. and slapped oned head, now under hyped. it's a significant company. a lot of reporters went oh, the biggest i.p.o., it's going to be fantastic, is going swimmingly, when it fell apart a little bit they said we saw that coming and i was like not really. the idea of making billions of dollars on these things, it's still very difficult to build businesses on the internet. >> a boom, a potential bust coming? >> high, high evaluations for companies that are yet unproven. not as bad as the first one, but certainly worrisome. they are competing for the deal, and you wonder if they're going to make their money back.

they're having trouble in goop on, facebook having trouble. i think investors are going to be quite wary about where it goes, how does it resolve itself once it gets funded. if google or microsoft or facebook doesn't buy them. >> thanks for being here. appreciate it. >> a glimpse of where we'll be in 2019 as in tell's futurist is taking us to the next level of fantastic innovations and new ideas. the guys at the lower-end got screwed again! i think you know which one we're talking about. >>overwhelming majority of the county says: "tax the rich don't go to war." i just wanted to clarify.

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>> intel's brian johnson is helping predict patterns to assess it is future, trying to assess which idea is surviving and how to use them. >> research at intel you get a collection of technologies that are just coming out of the lab. i look at these things and we're looking at the human impact, at what it will mean to people, what it will feel like to live in the future. it's not just here's this chip or technology, we are creating and you have all these different dome mows to show what it will feel like to be a human 10 to oh 15 years from now. that's science fiction in a room. a car is a laptop on wheels. it's computational power that carries us around. that's the thing that we're looking at is saying how do we

think about the car as a computational platform. think about it as a computer. that's kind of cool. what happens when it's a computer, but the computer really can't crash? really technology is kind of dumb. your smart phone or laptop really today when you buy it doesn't learn about you. it has applications and allows you to do awesome things but doesn't learn about you specifically. i was laughing to myself and telling colleagues that i think seeing rain is going to make a big splash, it's literally seeing through water. seeing through a new type of headlight, but to say how could we modulate that so you could literally see through the reflections. that's what makes rain so hard, is your banging light up against rain. what if we could use computational power and light to change that so you can see

through it. it sounds simple and insanely hard at the same time. the think i love about it, it makes people's lives better and also safer. >> brian it's great to have you on the show. futurist at in tell. >> yes. >> science fiction writer and science fact writer. >> correct. >> what the heck is all that? >> well, i'm a very pragmatic futurist. my job is to look 10-15 years out and get an idea of what people will want to do with technology. i bring that back to intel and we design the technology. it takes 5-10 years to do it. what's been really interesting recently is we've been using science fiction as a way to help build those models and actually take that back to #-gs. >>intel. >> taking all those books that almost t.v. shows and movies like star trek and taking some of those principles and trying to manifest some of those ideas

and ideals from science fiction and now having an iteration into the future? >> it's some of that. for decades people have used science fiction as a way to inspire them. what we're trying to do is to actually create signs fiction actually write science fiction based upon the stuff that we're building. kind of a way to prototype the future. if you write a story based on science, then you can kind of understand the human impact, the cultural impact, policy impact. it's a powerful tool to get people to envision the future. >> your foundation is around people people first not technology leading behavior, but an throw polling. you actually focus on culture from an an anthropological frame. >> understanding humans, first and foremost, and then, we've

got all this technology in our labs. we ask ourselves if we understand this about people, how can we use this technology to make their lives better. that's the foundation, based on people first and foremost. technology by itself, data by itself is meaningless until it makes lives better. >> you've got a great product today that will be on the market in 2016? >> i'm working on 2019 right now. >> what do those products look like that let's just jump right into it what are you working on? >> the future is awesome. >> is it? is that smoke and mirrors or is the future scary. is there any privacy in the future you're building? >> i think there is. i'm going to have to sort of cop to the fact that i am a complete opt mist. it's probably the most radical thing i've ever done is to

declare myself an apartment mist. you make a choice, you can be optimistic or pessimistic. i say the future's too important for us to be pessimistic about. i say we're going to build this future so we need to have those conversations about that future. is there well, that's up to us. the technology of the future doesn't build itself. it's up to us to have conversations and to say this is the future we want, this is the future we don't want. that's why having these sorts of conversations are important to get out there and say what are we like, what are we not like. people need to be active participants. >> you wrote a book talking about the idea that the t.v. box now becoming a screen. >> yes the idea, this is looking to around 2015, saying it's not going to be about the p.c. for the internet and t.v. for t.v. or phone for the phone it's screens. everything is going to be a screen. to think about well this smart phone is a t.v.

it's also a phone. it's also a computer. thinking about it as a screen, and different sized screens that fit to our lives. for so long, we had to go to the laptop to get the internet and t.v. to get the t.v. not anymore. you can go to these devices and they change to what you want, kind of change to what you're sort of looking for. that is incredible. it's about not one device to rule them all but whatever device you have handy whatever devices you have together. >> customization personalization. >> always bet on choice. choice always wins. >> t.v.'s of the future look like what? >> just a screen. i think it's a screen and a way of interacting with that screen. >> when you say screen and you keep saying screens, is it a screen on the wall, is it a screen, i mean you make the point it carries with you i guess, sort of on demand but the traditional model of the t.v. in the literal sort of the dominant

point of the living room those days are over? >> no, having a screen on the wall in the living room, the reason that won't go anywhere is that people love t.v. it's one of the things we forget especially in the high tech industry, it's all cool and whiz bang, people love to sit down t.v. that's cool. we don't want to change that. we want to give more choice with the t.v. they watch how they interact with that t.v. that will continue to change, but voice over, just call up a program, i'd like to watch current tv. >> there are really great technologies where you can say to your smart phone i want to watch gavin's show and it comes up. what you said is i want to watch gavin and it came up. i remember when there were two remote controls, two or three stations and i had to walk up and turn it. >> then it would go all you

black after watching creature feature when the parents were asleep. >> when you think about that, that's huge, but sort of beloved feeling of watching television, sitting around with people, television is social. that doesn't go away. it just continues to evolve and moves off the wall sometimes and into our pocket so if you're on the bus on the mass transit you can pull it out and you can watch television here or you can watch television wherever you want. it's that customization but for what people want. >> synthetic biology hearing a lot about it. >> yeah. >> pretty extraordinary things, the idea that people are able to and i think today some of this already occurs, to actually have body parts that are what, being designed. >> designed. the whole idea is d.n.a., our genes are the code of life, like programming, so like the code

that's in your computer is the same thing. the only thing is this code of life is incredibly complicated and we don't understand everything about it. synthetic biology is saying let's understand that and see if we can write our own code. when i think about it, i say that's cool. i mean i'm a science fiction guy. we can geek out about that but then i say what can we do with it. what are the applications to make people's lives better. when i talk to synthetic biologists, they come up with cool, simple stuff. what if you duke the genes and d.n.a. of something like grass and combined it with something that when it detected gunpowder or t.n.t., it made that grass turn yellow. that's all it did and then i planted that grass in a mine field and you would see exactly where all the mines were. really simple, pragmatic stuff. when we think about synthetic biology, we think about far off

future stuff. that's great but what can we do today, tomorrow, next year to start finding those little things that we can do to really, really make people safer and happier and really make their lives better. >> augustment in reality the blurring between virtual and physical, what's the future there? >> i think it's coming. i think we're at a really interesting point. i saw you with the google glasses. you should be able to tell me. i haven't put them on yet. there are reflection points on that because we're almost there. before it had been you put on the big helmet with the big thing and walk around and that was weird cool thing but weird. we're now getting our devices to the point where we played around with it with the theoretical and now google great work they are doing and other places. now we can see when i'm talking to you do i really want all this information, all these things about me. maybe, maybe not we need to now really augustmented reality is

starting to grow up. it's getting to the point to say what can we do number one so that people can be safer and we can use it in work, but the other thing what's cool, because i don't think we know yet. >> what's the future of robots? >> robots are awesome. i'm a died in the wool geek. for me i think about robots as computational platform. what i mean by that, you're probably very comfortable carrying around a computational device. for me, it carries itself around a laptop with legs. when you think about it, it can do really amazing stuff because then you can have an app store for robots to do all these different things. for me, the real short term future is things like health care. like we can use personal robots to help us age in our homes because they can be a could not

do it for the health care system, for our family. i don't know if you've ever taken care of an elderly relative but there's this terrible point where do you that sometimes and you call them and they don't answer the phone. you have to make the decision did they forget the phone and go to the market or did something happen. you have to go there. very hard on a health care system that is very expensive. what if you could tell the phone to go find them and check up on them. it becomes a way for people to have a relationship with technology for aging in our homes. that's much more preferral. we're going to have so much more of a graying population that we need to use technology and get creative about that. we can have robots helping us. >> when people talk about computers and fabrics when people talk about computers literally in the materials that we're sitting on, chairs, on desks, in book, in paper with the idea of paper being

computerized, is this science fiction, science fact. >> that's science fact. that's coming. so and this is owe we talked about 2015 and all the screens and stuff like that. looking further out with a lot of the work we're doing the size of the chips, the size of the computational power, when you get around the year 2020 approaches zero, it gets so small that it's almost in visible. it's still there but it gets so small that we could turn anything into a computer. we could turn this, we could turn that, we could turn our clothes into a computer, and it's coming. that's the idea. the question that i ask myself and my team is what is it like to live in an environment when you're surrounded by intelligence essentially living inside a big computer. what would you do with that? before, it was can we take this desktop computer and get it into a laptop. can we get a laptop in your

packet. whatnot we do it. now the question is what, what do you want it to do, how do you want it to live with you in your lives, which is a fundamental shift that you'll see starting to come and then my response to that is how will it make people's lives better. that's the question we always have to ask ourselves. that's the base question. not how do we make ourselves more efficient or happier how can we fundamentally make people's lives better. >> on that note, thanks for being here. >> thank you. >> when we come back, why we can live like the jetsons and charting a path to our own future in mind and body. my thoughts on today's guests and why we chose to showcase what they do, right after the break. ideas are the best politics.

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>> take almost any industry, health care, technology, energy and see the devices and techniques barely dreamed of a few decades ago. predicting the future has long been around for science fiction but when every industry is constantly revamped by technology, we must rely on modern visionaries to help us plan for the future. it's visionaries like my guests today that help provide a road map for our future, a framework for what is possible so that society, industry and government can prepare themselves as best they can. government can be a major boost for innovation and emerging technologies crafting policy that supports new ideas and entrepreneurialism, but keep the best interest always of people in mind. that means insuring privacy is

paramount. technology was biased purely on advancement, smarter faster, cheaper. we're learning with global climate change there can be consequences, as computers become smaller a understand more powerful we need thought leaders who will consider the implications of this power. brian, david johnson and kara fisher are two individuals who should be listened to, they have a sixth sense for what's coming, both good and bad. as tim ferriss demonstrates, he questions the real point of this increased efficiency. i hope you continue to watch the show and hope to continue this conversation. stay with us on our website facebook twitter and google plus. thanks for watching the show. >> this court has proven to be the

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