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how elitist can you get? how many americans can afford a dancing horse, a groomer a trainer and fly that horse all the way to london. the worst yet is he gets a 70,000 dollar tax deduction which means you and i are paying for that damn horse. we will talk about that and a whole lot more. first we start out with today's current news update and lisa ferguson out of los angeles. good morning, lease a. >> good morning, bill. good morning, everyone. the candidates are back on the campaign trail after a weekend truce following the colorado shooting. the president is campaigning in portland and seattle today. in nevada yesterday, he addressed the veterans of foreign wars convention where he blamed the g.o.p. for playing politics with military defense cuts. republicans are coming out against the scheduled cut backs even though deal passed with bi-partisan support last year. during his evening fundraisers in oakland, the president pressed back accusing romney of twisting his words to say he

does not value small business. >> when folks omit entire sentences of what you said they start kind of splicing and dicing, you may have gone a little over the edge there. >> romney has been using the president's you didn't build that statement to paint him as anti-business and out of touch. as for romney, he is be headed to london for the start of the olympics and for a few fundraisers of his own. he is headed to israel and poland and will liable use those trips to show he can handle international politics but president obama isn't buying it. he took yesterday to criticize romney's foreign policy experience and his stance on afghanistan. he is speaking to veterans of foreign wars later today and speaking to undermining the current development strategy f the bill faces little chance in

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[ ♪ theme ♪ ] [ ♪ theme music ♪ ] >> broadcasting across the nation, on your radio and on current tv, this is the bill press show. >> what do you know? barack obama and romney agree on one thing. neither one want to talk about gun control. too bad. dy. it is tuesday, tuesday, july 24th t great to see you today. welcome to the full-court press. starting the day off on current tv on local talk radio station and on sirius xm this hour and starting your day wherever you

happen to be in this great land of ours, getting up getting breakfast, ready to jump in the car or hahning out at the house good to have you with us. or they. good to have you with us. thanks for being part of the full-court press as we bring you the big stories of the day here from our nation's capitol around the country. president obama on the road. he was in oakland, california, at reno yesterday at the vfw annual meeting and then in oakland for a couple of campaign events, spent the night in san francisco at the intercontinental hotel and today, et cetera off to portland and seattle. bringing you up to date with his full schedule a little bit later. here in washington congress basically doing nothing except accusing president obama of not doing enough on jobs or not going to israel as part of his

first term. whatever that means t mitt rom person inning leaving today for the olympics and then on to israel and to poland. so we have of course the alleged killer in aurora colorado in court yesterday and kind of looking weird, the weirdest color of harris think i ever saw on anybody. lots to talk about. we will get to all of it eventually over the next three hours and take your calls at 866-55-press. peter ogburn and dan henning along for the ride today. >> hey hey. >> we will cyprian bowlding our videographer. >> everybody is here. happy tuesday. >> right. we lost another great american yesterday, sally ride, 1983, became the first woman to go into space for part of the nasa astronaut program succumbed to

pan ce attic cancer in la hoja calf. president obama hailed her as a role model for american girls and women and say he taught all young girls like his daughters to reach for the stars. sally ride talking about what it meant to be such a pioneer. >> it meant a lot to me to have the opportunity to go into space, and it meant a lot to me to be first woman that was chosen. >> she was a wonderful lady. >> fascinating. >> yeah. >> that whole thing. to think 61. >> right but she played a role after that, on several commission, national committees looking to the space program and everything. those press people like john glenn and scott carpenter and sally ride, names we always remember as pine easier in america's space program. got a big line-up for you today.

dave zyron who covers sports for the nation magazine to talk about penn state. judd lagam, tuesdays with judd from think progress will be here. chuck came with our friends at buzz feed here on the full-court press every tuesday. chris geitner from buzz feed will be with us as well just a little bit later. so let's get right to it. but first: >> this is the full court press. >> i am indeed. other headlines making news mup muppets are eating let's chicken the jim hen scenario company is ending its relationship with chick-fil-a after they reiterated anti-game. they had offered muppet toys but no more. in a statement the company says their ceo, lisa henson is a strong supporter of gay marriage and they are giving all monies they receive from the

partnership to glad the gay and lesbian alliance. >> the muppets are the best. they are so good. >> on the only for gay marriage but inter species. kerrmit and ms. piggy. >> they are ahead of their time. >> good for them. >> willard is not going to jail. the improv actor. >> going to the movies. >> arrested for lewd conduct in an adult movie theater can avoices time by enrolling in a counseling program that costs him about 400 bucks. he and his attorney maintain he did nothing wrong. >> isn't it stupid for the cops to be trolling adult movie tharts? why do people go there, you know? >> and. >> i would hasten to say, in los angeles, i think they have more important things to do. >> happy belated birthday at

the museum in washington. washington post reports nancy pelosi hosted mcgovern who ran for president 40 years ago. also there dick durbin steny hoyer and more. >> george mcgovern. some people are still willing to say they voted for him. he is a great guy and a great american. the hammer fell on penn state yesterday. eager to know what you think about it. we talked yesterday morning about the fact that the hammer was about to fall on the ncaa mark emmet, the president of the ncaa who had the news conference after our show ended yesterday morning, we expected. there were rumors that penn state might get the death

penalty, meaning, of course all football would be banned from the campus for a few years at any rate. as it ended up. they didn't get the death penalty. i think they got worst because they are dead but they are still alive. yeah, but they are dead. you know what i mean? it's sort of like the in-between land where they can play football, but they can't really reap all of the rewards of it. so mark emmet yesterday, let's start with what he said was just a zero tolerance for the kind of permissive -- for the kind of criminal behavior and willingness to kind of cover it up and go along with it that penn state exhibited. >> you can make clear that the culture, actions and inactions that allowed them to be victimized will not be tolerated in collegiate athlet i could.

>> we will not tolerate this. and he said, here is how well express our lack of tolerance for th kind of behavior. first of all, a pretty hefty fine. >> the ncaa is imposing a fine of $60 million on the university with the funds to be used to establish an en do youment to support programs around the nation that serve the victims of child sexual abuse and seek to prevent such abuse from happening. >> never been such a fine as that in college football. georgia tech was fined, washington post reports $100,000 in between. or gone state in 1984 was ordered to return the equivalent of a fine of $342,000. this is $60 million, which is probably what they make in a year. wouldn't you say, peter? >> i mean, look. colleges make a lot of money off of this stuff. but that could be the smart thing by saying, we are going to fine you and keep it.

they are using that money. they are setting up centers and giving it to charities to help with victims of child abuse. >> right. >> that's the first. then, the other thing that they did was they took away -- and it's interesting. i am sure your local paper, too i am sure the washington post has it outlined $60 million fine, lost scholarships 20 -- penn state can give out only 15 new scholarships per year. the maximum allowed for other schools is 25. 15 a year for the next what? four years. >> yeah. >> which means they lose 40 scholarships that they cannot give out. they also cannot compete in any bowl championships. en if they win they can't compete in the bowl championship for the next four years and then the big thing is and here is

mark emmet announcing it. they are going to strip joe paterno of his wins back to 199 yeah. >> the ncaa vacates all wins of the penn state football team from 1998 to 2011 and the records will reflect these changes. >> yes. and emmet explained that the reason they we want back to 1998 was because that's where the first incidents of child abuse was -- that we know of happened. and that's when the cover-up began. so they went back to there. and that's 112 wins for joe pattern on that, in effect, never happened. the books are going to be rewritten. history is going to be rewritten. they are just going to be wiped out. just like white out. just erase it. they never happened. never played. never won. joe paterno gets no credit for them forat all. the response to penn state's

actions was pretty immediate, and all over the place. interesting that the president of penn state said, well it could have been worse. >> i felt that the option of really taking the sanctions as they were handed down would be -- would allow us to recover more quickly than having multiple years of the death penalty. >> yeah. so we will bend over and take it, says rodney erickson, the president of penn state. it was interesting. the washington post this morning, two columnists, trace hamilton, writes that she is so proud of the ncaa. at last, we have a new muscular ncaa and let me be the first to say, i like it. but mike weis writing on the same front page of the sports page of "the washington post" in the morning says this was a

chance for mark emmitt to stand on the podium, send a resounding message that his organization matters in the real world, and he failed. he dropped the ball by not forbidding penn state to play football. so he doesn't think they went far enough. there are other voices that think they went too far. you know what? i don't know about you. i love to hear. 866-55-press. i am one of those in one respect. i think a fine was absolutely deserved. i think the bowl championships, absolutely denying this an opportunity to compete was deserved. take away the scholarships i have no problem with that. letting them continue to play okay. with those restrictions. the one i don't understand is vacating joe paterno's wins back to 1998. i don't honestly know how you can do that. okay. look. creep that he was. right? he won those games.

he was coach for those games. they are in the winning column. you can't say the other team won. so i think it's a bad precedent, whether it's in politics or in business or whatever field of endeavor to try to rewrite history which is what they are doing. >> that's exactly what it is. >> i mean they are taking the score book and going back to all of those scores and god knows, right, college athletes -- i mean, college at legitimate i could is documented every play every gesture. right? certainly every winning score. and how can you go back and saysay, no, they didn't win that game when they did snft how can you go back and say, that coach didn't bring that team to victory when he did? i mean, again i am not defending joe paterno.

i just think this is a pretty dangerous precedent, and i think it's wrong, and if they -- could you do that, let's say in major league sports? go back like the yankees have a winning season and say no they didn't win those 40 games. right? how can you do that? i don't think we would tolerate that. >> i don't think we should tolerate it with the ncaa. otherwise, i think penn state got what was coming to them. do you think they should have even been allowed to continue to play football and will they survive? will they be able to bounce back? let's get into it with 8 sick 6. 55 press. the ncaa drops the hammer. boom. >> this is the full court press, the bill press show, live on your radio and on current tv. [ ♪ theme music ♪ ]

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[ ♪ theme music ♪ ] >> heard around the country and seen on current tv this is the bill press show. >> all right. a lot of comments about the penn state decision yesterday. larry leedziet: i have 15 years experience, if i were in command, joe paterno would have been fired years ago. he wasn't. now, the ncaa is taking it out on penn state. did they go too far or not far enough? 8 situation 866-55-press. let's say hello to andy.

25 minutes after the hour. hi, andy. what do you say? >> bill, my wife and i are not over this thing. she agrees with the decision decisiondecision -- institutions cop pay for those who perpetrated this fine. i am looking at: who is actually going to be punished by this? players are going to be punished. there is not 1 soul, i don't believe, left at penn state that had anything to do with this. why, you know, we think about an institution being punished but they are made up of people. the ones that are going to get slammed by this had nothing to do with the crime. >> but don't you see, i hear what you are saying. it's true. i think it's players, today's players and players in the future who certainly were not around there. right right? are the ones who are going to get punished but today's students but at the same time the institution has some

responsibility for allowing this to go on and on and on, bringing that black cloud not only over penn state but over college football. right? so can you just walk away from it? >> i don't think so. i agree with the fine actually and i agree with the fact that penn state's reputation has been irreparabley damaged by this. who knows where else this is happening? this could be other places. >> god, let's hope not. so what i hear you saying andy that you would go along with the fine but do you think the scholarships, the no-bowl competition and vacating the wins was going too far? >> i think so. >> okay. all right. i think i side with your wife on this, andy. i got to run along. stephan in port angeles. i was recruited by penn state and i hadt the air force

academy, a couple of collections with sexual assaults and the college i went to, the main one in tennessee, that football program, some of the stuff, they should have banned that program a long typing. the college i graduated from had already disbanded their football football program. so i think there is -- it's not just the football program. it's just the main program in sports with the criminal activity because there are so many of them. it's just such a thug mentality sport. >> so you think what the -- you support what they did is what i hear you saying? >> yes, sir. can i totally do. that was one year, what they make in the program, $50 million. >> that's a drop in the bucket. >> all right. boy, stephan if that's right what you say, every school basically that applied to or had anything to do with had similar problems. i hope that's not true. if it is, it's just the tip of the iceberg. >> this is the bill press show.

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state, ncaa dropping the hammer yesterday on penn state in a big way. some people say they didn't go far enough because they are allowed to play football. others saying they went too far. they should not have taking away joe paw's wins. back to your calls at 866-55 press. but first, president obama on an important west coast swing. we wanted to check in with a good friend down at the whitehouse, david jackson covers the white house for u.s.a. today. david, good morning. >> good morning, bill. >> yeah, so first of all, you want i wanted to ask about the president's response to the shootings in colorado. do you think he did the right thing by first of all, postponing campaign events and making a special trip to meet with the families there? >> yes. he really had no choice. he had this west coast campaign swing slotted in. he was basically going to fly over colorado anyway. i think he wanted to go there. so it's just something presidents do in these times of

national trauma. there is a feeling that the presidents want to be there to show solidarity and that's what he did. he really rearranged his schedule to accommodate that trip. it was kind of weird because he influence back to speak to the vfw and back to the bay area to do the fundraiser in oakland. it created kind of a strange schedule but it was something he had to do and something he wanted to do. >> i think on the scheduling it might have been late notice too late to arrange the whole presidential party in reno. ? >> exactly. >> since they had san francisco. >> hotel rooms because of the d/fw. >> that's why they did that but we have seen that with all of our recent approximatelies. after oklahoma city, president obama at fort hood. it's sort of the role of consoler in chief. right? >> right.

the trick is the timing. you don't want to get there too soon because you don't want to get in the way of rescue efforts or investigations but the fact the university of colorado was treating so many of these patients, it was an easy place to secure, being a hospital. it worked out just fine, i think, for the white house in terms of scheduling. >> in terms of what he said and what mitt romney said it struck me that both campaigns said this is not a time or not an opportunity or not a reason to talk any about gun control on this campaign. looks like it's off of the table, david. >> very much so in terms of the presidential election, yes. there are some members of congress to propose some new gun legislation but i think it's a non-starter in terms of the presidential election. romney doesn't want to alienate. it's a big booster for republican candidates. he wasn't going to go there. president obama feels like it's

not going to be able to be accomplished. he is sticking to his original position on gun control. he had some new proposed rules he came up with after the arizona shooting a year and a half ago. he is sticking with that. >> yeah. no. nothing new. so on this trip west, it struck me. on previous trips you see him going to florida, virg. he is clearly going to swing states. here, he is going to california oregon and washington. >> you have to go where the ducks are, bill. >> they ought to be in the bank? >> but it's where the money is. he is also goes to new york city and los angeles a lot. san francisco is a huge huge source of funds for the democratic party. it's an obligatory stop. reno is not that far away.

you could see how he could tie those two together. or gone and washington yeah, they have been democratic states in recent e elections but the republicans talk about taking one or two of those back so he has to protect his flanks in both of those states. i am sure they figure while they were in san francisco they would go up north to seattle and portland and make sure things are going the way they want to up there as well. >> sure. it serves to ref up the base for sure. >> right. >> california has been the atm for the democratic party since even before i was democratic state chair out there. >> you know a lot more about it than i do. and hollywood and san francisco if not more so. >> we used to joke when president clinton was in office he could vote he came there so often. every time he came around, we were preparing for some presidential visit. >> he wanted to keep that

legacy. i remember in '92, he was talking about holding it for the democrats for years an years. >> that's what's happened. >> the latest flap between mitt romney rand president obama is over something the president said last week. i want to play the full clip so we don't take it out of context. >> right. >> talk about the political fallout here here is president obama last thursday, i believe. >> if you were successful, something along the line gave you some help. there was a great teacher somewhere in your life. somebody helped to create this unbelievable american system we have that allowed you to thrive. somebody invested in roads and bridges bridges. you didn't build that. somebody else may that happen. >> you didn't build it. somebody else made that happen. mitt romney seized on that line

saying he is demeaning american business. where does this go, david? >> it was unartfully phrased. >> and police forces and fire departments. so i mean, you have got to say he is right about that. but at the same time t as you say, unartfully phrased? >> if you have got a business you didn't build that, if he could take that back, he would be. but remember when he said the middle class is doing fine remember that mini flap that lasted for about a week. i suspect we will see the same thing here romney using it. it's at true gaffe. it's a mistaken phrase unartfully put and romney is using it to say this guy believes only in government. sooner or later he will make a gaffe and the democrats will go through that and we will go through the same exercise. >> i have to salute those people

who went digging immediately and i don't know who came up with this. but mitt romney, back in 1984 at the olympics -- peter do we have that? no. on okay. they don't have the clip. we have been looking for it. okay. i said the same thing to the olympians in 1994. you have to realize you didn't get here on your own. right? you had a lot of help along the way. >> everything a politician says are so microscopically examined any false step will be magnified by the opposition. >> you know everybody is going to be watching every word that mitt romney utters on this week-long foreign trip? >> exactly. >> when he starts out today in london. david jackson, i will tell you the president on the road makes it ease for you and me, no briefings at the whitehouse today so we have another day to quick back. >> it's kind of boring. >> i know.

>> we won't hear the president's words until like 7:00 o'clock tonight the way supreme court the schedule reads. >> that's why we wanted you on the show to liven up the day for you. >> thanks, bi. >> thank you, thank you. david jackson covers the white house for usa today. usa.com. we have been talking about penn state. dave zyron has written a piece saying he thinks what penn state did was outrageous and dead wrong. beth from albuquerque, new mexico, what do you think, beth? >> good morning. >> hi. >> long-time listener, first-time caller. >> all right. >>. >> it's more than just penn state. it has to be happening other places. this has to encourage people to turn people in to not squelch it because of winning games. it happens more than people know. >> boy, you are the second one to say that this morning.

first of all, if it is happening other places, god forbid but that's what i think the ncaa had in mind was part of it was to punish penn state and the other was to send a message to penn state and if you see anything wrong, turn in. >> exactly. it's not easy being a whist he will blower. i have high standards and i trust what i am told when i go to work someplace and when i see they are not doing what they say, i make a fuss. it's not easy being a whistle blower. you have to do it for the sake of society. >> amen, beth. we need more people like you. the parallel is so strong with what happened with all of the priest section drolly abuse scandal where the bishops knew about it. they were the joe paternos of

the catholic church. they knew about it and they did nothing. they didn't alert authorities and all they did was move those priests from one parish to another so they could continue the same pattern of abuse. it's just too bad if you want to continue the parallel that there was nobody to drop the hammer on the catholic church for institutional failures and nobody to throw these bishops in jail where they belong. we will continue to take your calls from penn state. 866-55-press. >> this is the bill press show. that redefined tv journalism. >>we're going to places where few others are going. >>it doesn't get anymore real than this. >>occupy! >>the award winning series "vanguard" only on current tv.

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they still get to play regular season games. alex us asolka says i think they should have forfeited at least one football season. travis johnson says over the top. many, many more comments. keep them coming. here is greg calling from dayton, ohio. hi yell. >> hello greg. >> oops. all right. we lost greg. dan is out in concord, california. what do you say, dan? >> yes, hi mr. press. >> hi. good morning. it's bill. thank you. >> okay, bill. i used to do talk radio for about five years. >> uh-huh. >> to be frank with you i know probably more about sports than any human being on earth and i have never heard any organization being fined $60 million. >> i think it is an unprecedented fine. >> i don't even know if it's legal. but the whole point is: it should have been twice as much. >> really? >> really. someone mentioned earlier, the gentleman from bloomington, i

believe. >> yes. >> he was concerned about the student athletes that were on the football team at the time. let me explain something to you. the ncaa because they made it a four-year policy -- all right? of making sure that there is no bowl games for three years. all of the athletes on the team right now can leap. >> good point. >> the university immediately. >> yeah. >> and play for anyone. in fact, their top running back is going to usc. >> even if they have committed to penn state, they are free. they can leave right now and go somewhere else and play somewhere else. >> they don't have to wait out a year. >> yeah. >> the difference is there are 47 little boys who had no choice. all right? those 47 little boys were now 47

grown men who have families. we are talking hundreds of people. all right? you mentioned the catholic church. i happen to be catholic. so are you. >> yes. >> it's really disturbing to us. all right? >> why you bring it up. >> yeah, because i think, you know, the bishop should have done more. the church should have done more. >> no. they should have been put in jail. >> yeah. >> all right? one of the things that amazes me is: how are they going to remove all of the victories from penn state? because if you remove the victories from penn state, say that they played oregon and they beat them 17 to 3. all of the sudden now, you have to give or gone another win. >> yeah. i know. >> so every person or every team that they have played over that 12-year period -- all right? >> yeah. >> has to get another win. >> i know, dan, hey listen as

a former talk show host, you realize i have to run on. >> that's the one part of this thing i don't agree with because i don't think you can rewrite history that way. quickly, joe from williamsport, pennsylvania, hey, joe what do you say. >> bill, first time caller. >> all right again. thank you. >> i agree with you and with the -- the only thing i agree with the last caller the victories is purely punative. i understand that. i don't think the money is the problem. i am from up here. and anybody that's around these big college programs knows that the football generates all of the revenue for the college and the economy in that town. >> yeah. >> they are going to make the money up. they had to be finished. i don't understand, like you said, the mount of taking those victories away from paterno. other than pun i have been. they want to punish him because he was in charge. and i am still mustfied how he could no know it and do something about it when i know

personal records he took a lot of athletes -- i am close to penn state locally up here. >> yeah. >> he took athletes made sure they had tutors made sure they graduated. >> i know, joe. we saw on that luisfrees report that the sadly paterno did no as far back as 1998 he knew something was going on. sad, saddened to a great career and the ncaa. we will take more calls at the top of the next hour. >> this is the bill press show.

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$60 million fine taken away 40 scholarships, no bowl competition for four years and wiping out 112 victories of joe paterno as coach. did they go too far or not far enough? we will continue to tackle that but first, we take a little time out here to get all of the latest news at the top of the hour. today's current news update from lisa ferguson in los angeles. hi, lisa. good morning. >> hi, bill. good morning. good morning, everyone. lawmakers are now back in washington after last week's mass shooting at a colorado movie theater but it doesn't look like we will see much of a renewed push for tighter gun control. a few congressional democrats have called for more legislation. carlin mccarthy of new york says this needs to be a wake-up call. mccarthy's ammunition act would ban high capacity clips like those used in aurora but it's been stalled in the house since last year. most politicians are staying away from the debate. in an interview yesterday, rom

romney said now is not the time to talk gun control politics. as governor of massachusetts, he signed a first state ban opinion assault weapons outlawing one of the rifle used in the colorado shooting but he says he does not believe it will make a difference this this type of tragde. why the lack of conversation? the candidates have a lot to lose. independent will likely decide this year's election and the poles say they are split on this issue with 55% of voters saying it's more important to protect second amendment rights. according to police, the colorado shooter purchased more than 6,000 rounds of ammunition on line without any federal background checks. in other polls this morning, maris finds 78% of americans are frustrated with the tone of political campaigns. 78% believe they have gotten more negative this season. more than half of the people say the tone is uncivil and disrespectful and they spend more time criticizing their independent than addressing the

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in washington, d.c. lots to talk about today. one big story are the sanctions leveled against penn state yesterday by the ncaa. a lot of talk about them. some people think that the ncaa went too far and some are criticizing them for not going far enough. we will take your calls and we have someone out spoken about what happened in studio with us. a good friend of the program. i talk to him often, covers sports for the nation magazine, yes, the nation does have a sports editor, right here dave zyron. >> great to be here, bill. >> i am even more proud of my subscription now that i know that they have a sports editor. >> i am with you there. >> do you ever make a magazine. >> we did an all-sports issue of the magazine that i edited the entire issue top to bottom

academics, former athletes journalists to write about the politics of sports. >> i don't remember that. >> i will have to bring you a copy of it. it was last august. a lot of people were on break but we were proud. >> i have been a subscriber for a long time, read it every week but i very seldom see any sports stories in it because you do online? >> we are web centric with the sports. >> good to have you here. >> good to be mere. >> join the term. hello, guys, all the way around. a little update on the political front. president obama, the obama campaign out with a lot of ads realtime sort of pounding mitt romney over swiss bank accounts and off-shore tax havens and bain captam when did he leave and when didn't he leave? yesterday, a new add out by the obama cam paper, a positive upbeat ad saying we have a real choice here in november. here is a quick listen. >> over the next four months, you have a choice to make.

not just between two political parties or even two people. it's a choice between two very different plans for our country. governor romney's plan would cut taxes for the folks at the top, roll back for the banks. he says if we do everyone will benefit. you know what? we tried that top-down approach. it's what caused the mess in the first place. i believe the only way to create an economy built to last is to strengthen the middle class, create an economy, to pay down our debt in a balanced way, so we can afford to invest in education, manufacturing, and home grown american energy for good middle class jobs. sometimes politics can seem very small. but the could is you face it couldn't be bigger. i am barack obama. >> very important ad, i think, because the president is and campaign is trying to make an wants to make this election a

choice to point out to the ple. you can go this way or that way. the romney iscampaign is trying to make it a referendu. on that very question hinges what happens in november. if it's seen as a choice election, obama wins. if it seems as a referendum romney wins. very important ad that the president has out yesterday. dave zirin in studio. judd legham will join us at the half. next hour, we will talk with chris geitner from buzz feed in s well but first >> this is the full court press. >> other headlines making news on this tuesday, elton john gave a very powerful speech at the international aids conference in washington yesterday. he took time to praise politicians on both sides of the aisle for their work to badge the disease including former

president george w. bush and talked about his personal life and said he shouldn't be alive because of his lifestyle in the 1980s, but should be 6 feet under but because all of all of the love. >> that's a big conference. even the most hardcore critics of george w. bush will give him credit for the aids stuff. >> a lot of money in it. >> gabby giffords' recovery is going rather well. a year and a half after the shooting, the former congresswoman has made her first trip outside of the u.s. in the french alps. they rode a cable car up to 12,000 feet seeing spectacular views in france, italy and switzerland. >> i took that caballe car. i got off and collapsed with lack of oxygen. i tell you up to 12,000 feet,

man, it's thin air. >> and another day another cooking reality show abc announcing a new project called "time machine chef. where they will cook as if they are in a medieval castle feeder.says they will cook with only the most basic tools, a row at thisary system powered by dogs. smith, cocino and elan hal. >> chris copino? >> no. >> are you going to enter this contest, peter? >> no. what a dumb idea for a t.v. show. >> totally dumb idea. all right. so as we know shortly after our show yesterday, we were waiting, we were waiting, we were waiting, but the hammer dropped

right after we got off of the air, and you heard i am sure already the outline of it, the ncaa saying they are not going to tolerate this behavior any time anywhere. they leveled a $60 million fine against penn state and took away 40 scholarships over the next four years, will not allow the university to compete in any bowl competitions for the next four years and went back to 1998 and vacated all joe paterno's wins from there until 2011, 112 of them. many people have spoken out already. the headline in the nation dave zirin's why the ncaa sanctions on penn state are just dead wrong. tell us what you really believe, dave. >> sure. why beat around the bush. first and foremost, i can understand why people would think that there is no penalty too harsh for penn state to have to pay.

i mean any time you talk about the cereal cover-up of a child rapist for the purpose of protecting a football program, it's very understandable why people say how big can the book be we can throw at these folks a whole stack of encyclopedias at them. i think the criminal and criminal courts should have a field day with them the next 10 or 15 years but the ncaa doing something about it, the ncaa is not equipped to do something about it. the ncaa's punishment reflects they are not equipped to do anything about it. my opinion situation of it was three very basic things. first of all, by the ncaa acting, it was an act of collective punishment if you look at the people who were hurt by what they did yesterday, it was people who were four years old when jerry sandusk couple left penn state. >> today's current players an act of collectively punishment

against people who had nothing to do with what happened at penn state. the second reason is i think it's a whole matter for the civil and criminal courts. it is unprecedented for the ncaa to involve themselves in a civil and criminal matter as it pertains to a sports program and then the last reason and i think this is the one that i think is the toughest for people to kind of take in. but the ncaa and the structure that they have set up is the reason why we have scandals like this in the first place. i mean penn state is ugly but it's one of the piece with places like ohio state and the idea when you have these billion-dollar football programs at universities that are too big to fail. this is the ncaa. this is how they benefit. this is how they built this curious nonprofit where its president, mark em mirth has 14 vice presidents, each of whom make at least $400,000 a year. the idea of this private institution, which is what the ncaa is, inserting itself into a

public institution, penn state taking $60 million from them and setting this precedent, they have the right to do that, that's what i have a problem with. >> let me ask you about the first point. the players, today's players, do have an option. right? the ncaa said you don't have to sit there and take your punishment. we will let you out of your commitment to penn state. they are not really being hurt at all. are they? >> they are, because where are they supposed to go? it's not like other schools. >> will other schools be looking at them? >> not necessarily because other schools have their own scholarship limits. so anywhere where they go would mean somebody would actually be let go from their scholarship or they would have to pay and walk on. and when you factor in, also the idea that penn state deals very much with in-state tuition and a lot of people who may need to be close to home it does represent a hardship. if anything, it exposes one of the rules for the ncaa for the

general public because one would think i believe it was the dread scott case was what gave people the right to travel from state to state at their will and see, in freedom, and this is something that actually shows that most players don't have that. >> the university, some people believe, the columnist in the washington post, mike weis says they didn't go far enough because they are allowed to play football. they will still have revenue? right. >> they will still have some revenue that does come in. >> they will have a team. >> the $60 million figure is not even that much. they could use that in one year. >> in one year. >> this is a school with a $1.8 billion endowment a $4.6 billion operating budget. you know what? the civil and criminal courts will take their piece of that. >> that's c we have civil and criminal courts. when i look at this -- >> do you think the ncaa could

really have had any reputation left at all if they had just walked away from this and said, we will let the courts handle it. we are not going to do anything. >> that points to what happened yesterday because what the ncaa did was a brilliant act of brand rehabilitation. >> right. >> you see that by the other post columnist, tracy hamilton. this is how she starts her article: if this is the new muscular ncaa let me be the first to say, i like it. well, i don't like it. i don't like it at all. i don't like the idea of this body that was set up by teddy roosevelt for the purpose of creating uniform rules and codes of conduct in amateur sports is the institution -- >> is that where it comes from? >> it does because ivy league it will were dying on the field by the donorses at the advent of football. now that it's this $11 billion entity that negotiates massive deals, like necessaries for players who don't see what they are doing, it's an ugly

structure and stronger today than yesterday. >> i love your take on it which is, vacating the 112 victories of joe pattern 0. how can they do that? >> well -- >> for example, if penn state beat oregon state -- making this up. right? as one of our callers said like 18 to 3 or something. now they are going to say oregon state actually won. >> did you see the movie bananas, the woody allen who says from now on, the national laying shall be swedish. all citizens shall wear underwear on the outside of their clothes so we can check that it is clean. these pronouncements that these games were not played or if they were played, then penn state vacates the victory. they did that for one reason and one reason only and that was as a gut punch to joe paterno and his memory so it cannot be said that he is the winningest coach in the history of division 1

ncaa football. now, he is the 12th winningest >> but, in fact, he is the first. >> that's why. >> maybe you put an after the rick after his name? >> sure. >> that's why a lot of people argue they shouldn't have taken the statue down from penn state of joe paterno over the weekend and they should have put a plaque next to it to the victims of jerry san dusky. it's about how we choose to remember things that happen or don't remember things that happened. me presidentialing, i think the problem is an ncaa stim that has people putting up statues in the first place. >> should they have taken it down? >> i think so. i actually do think they should have taken it down because i think it's for the scal to decide how they are going to heel and not the ncaa. >> david zirin is in studio with us covering the whole across the board for the nuptial sports editor for the nation magazine. talking about penn state they were just ncaa just dead wrong, he is telling us 866-55-press.

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sports nut, another reason to nation magazine thenation.com and follow the writings and thoughts of dave zirin in stud quo, sports editorial for the nation talking about penn state. dave, we got lots of calls. let's start out by saying hello to joe frey chicago. hey, joey. what's up. what do you think. >> good morning. i think that weeney sports writer, do you know anyone who was molested. they should take the building apart brick by brick. this hits close to home. i have to tell you right now. they should take the building apart. are you kidding me? that ruins children's lives. the only people who should have a say in this is the victim. you ask the victims if this was enough. >> all right. all right. we got your point, joey. in dave's defense, he was not defending, at any rate what jerry san dusky or joe paterno did. >> i agree with what the caller

says. i think that's why we have civil and criminal courts, to adjudicate these matters. >> that's not what the ncaa is set up to do. >> you think the criminal courts ought to take them away? >> i think they will. i think there are indictments to come about people who withheld evidence about what happened with sandusk. >> they are allowed to play football action? >> uh-huh. >> will they have a football season? will there be enough players stay, fans coming? >> i think first of all, you will have other teams go there because -- and this is once again the stranglehold of the ncaa. forget about any teams not showing up in protest. >> that's the first thing. the second thing, to your question, i mean i think that they are going to have enough players. but they are going to be a lot of players who are looking for the exit looking to figure. >> that's the whole point of what i was telling you before

about every team only has so many scholarships so they are going to be like having friends, family scouring the country looking for other places for these players to land. it's going to be a huge distraction, a huge problem for the coach and, but you know what? like we are saying, it's like this is all small pot ayottes compared to had a this program did and they should suffer for it. >> the ncaa now will be revered? >> von ter. you know what? every time there is a criminal matter at another school, people are going to say, what's the ncaa going to do? out of the pandora's box. >> dave, you do great work. thanks for being available, principal coming in studio this morning. appreciate it. lots more equals. sorry we are not going to be able to get to calls but go to the nation.com and read dave zirin and e-mail him and give him hell. >> this is the bill press show. [ ♪ theme music ♪ ]

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with the american family association essentially saying the problem here is america has lost its faith or more specifically that america is no longer a christian nation that this, in fact is the reason why there was this terrible trage. >> blaming it on liberals, blaming it on progressives. it reminded me of pat robertson plaming the tornados or the hurricanes or whatever on gays, that disney allowed a gay pride parade and that's why the tornados struck down there or something like that. >> yeah. >> addsurd. >> it's something that i think, yeah, you usually see a lot of times after anything bad happens. you rule out the talking points

if they attribute to anything good or bad happening. i think there has been some blowback on gomert some of the evangelical leaders because at certain times, ig people get sick of it. >> i might point out they also added we don't have to feel too sorry for those who lost their lives who were christians because they are in a better place but that non-christians will all burn in hell. >> right. >> so i was repeating it that old chestnut. there is a little flap going on. no, a big flap going on that the romney campaign is trying to make out of comments that president obama made last thursday, in defrocked, saying that those who have been successful in this country had a lot of help along the way. i want to play the president's comments in their entirety, the whole clip, and then talk about what it really means. here he is last thursday. >> if you were successful

somebody along the line gave you some help. there was a great teacher somewhere in your life somebody helped to create this unbelievable american system we have that allows you to thrive. somebody invested in roads and bridges. if you've got a business you didn't build that. somebody else made that happen. >> that line, if you've got a business, you didn't build it, is the one that mitt romney has jumped on. you have to say first of all, the president was making a valid point? >> it's almost a truism for all intents and purposes. you know, businesses don't build roads and bridges. taxpayers do. >> but they benefit roads from it. >> they benefit from them. >> they don't have necessarily their own fire department or police force but they benefit from them. >> that's right. >> you can go down the leip. they don't have their own

teachers that teach kids the skills they need to work in those factories but they benefit from them which is the point the president was maying. >> yes. >> romney trying to say this proves the president, anti-busy. right? anti-free enterprise anti-entrepreneurship. >> yes. >> so let's look at what mitt rom energy said during the 1984 olympics? >> 2002. >> about olympians. >> you olympians know you didn't get here solely on your own power. for mostly of you, loving parents, sisters or brothers encouraged your hopes, coaches guided, communities built venues and organized competitions. all olympians stand on the shoulders of those who lifted them. we have cheered the olympians. let's cheer the parents, coaches and communities. >> sounds like he is saying the same thing to me. >> both statements are true.

what romney says if you are an o lim meian, you need support from your family to do the training and from coaches to give you the right instruction. i think that romney has a sense, and i think there is a sort of a sense of entitlement among the top 1% or the top .01% that all of their success comes from their hard work and their ingenuity and their drive and to a certain extent there is some truth behind that. >> sure. sure. >> people successful, work hard and are smart but i think what the president was trying to say and what gets lost is that everyone is contributing to the whole system to make it possible. if you recognize there are needs, everyone has to contribute back. >> if you take a ted turner a donald trump or a warren

buffett, you take a bill gates. whoever, right, steve jobs a successful business person. right? >> uh-huh. >> they had -- i think what the president and mitt romney are saying, they had help along the way, from teachers coaches and publicney and government employees and infrastructure that enabled them to be -- to enable their drive to succeed. >> yeah. >> you know what's interesting about this is whatever the truth about it is romney believes he has found an attack that works by just taking that line out of the context that you played and re meeting it. he must believe it's successful. he had an ent yesterday and in the background, it said, you did build it" and trying to drive home the message. the obama campaign recognizes this and has been trying to put it in context. this is something that's going to play out.

the question: can the 2u8 context of the statement get through or is it the attack line? it's the push and pull in a presidential race. >> yeah. >> it becomes the defining issue in this campaign. for the moment, there is a lot of back and forth. >> yeah. >> he was on the war room with jennifer granholm on current tv last evening. i love jennifer granholm, love that show. we were talking about a segment that she calls -- it's a series a running series called the secrets and lies of mitt romney. and this has become like a pattern. you have talked about it on think progress. if you look at obviously the tax returns, release a little bit but only a year, maybe a year and a half. on the cayman islands, tell us

nothing about that, bermuda, nothing about that. swiss bank account, nothing about that. when he left bain capital, well we are not really sure because he won't really say. there is evidence both ways. more is that he stayed than he left in 1999. the records when he was governor of magazines, a lot of them were destroyed, now it turns out the archives of the 2002 olympics have also been sealed away so we can't even get to those. there is this -- >> not just sealed away. destroyed. >> so there is this proclivity on the part of mitt romney which i think is really telling to not tell the truth. >> there is a fascinating story in the boston globe this morning about how basically, romney leads the olympic games, the person in charge a former capital of his from bain capital who sort of assumes the reigns and negotiates this agreement regarding the records there that

they can withhold or destroy any record for you any purpose. so, you know, romney is presenting this as this sort of unqualified success, and, you know, by all accounts it was a successful olympic games but as far as what did he do, we don't really know because he has been able to decide what records are available and there is really not much? >> as he moves through history, he burns any evidence of the latest venture like the computer disks that were destroyed when he left the governorship of massachusetts and now the archives or records of the olympics in salt lake city. what's that all about? >> i mean i think this is something -- >> out of his way? >> this is somebody who has been thinking about politics and whether it's a senate run or a presidential run or a governorship for some time. he has been very careful and

very deliber about what records remained. and now, we are in the middle of it. >> well i think it speaks to obama's believability, honesty and in the end whether he is somebody we can trust. when you get to be president of the united states, you don't have a choice about destroying your records. right? >> that's true. >> everything is out there. so i think it's a very very important issue. judd legam in studio with us think progress.org. we have touched on a lot you may want to comment on. give us a call. more with judd coming up here after the break. >> this is the full court press the bill press show. live on your radio and on current tv. will reinforce the good habits building up to this. >>bill shares his views, now it's your turn. >>i know you're going to want to weigh in on these issues. >>connect with "full court

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>> on your radio, on t.v. t the bill press show, new on current t.v. >> twelve minutes before the top of the hour. here we are on the full court press this tuesday. chris geithner senior political reporter for buzz feed will be in studio with us during the next hour. right now, in studio is judd legum, editor of think progress at thinkprogress.org. talking a lot of the issues related to mitt rom in connection president obamapom -- romney, president obama and i want to get into what's happening with cat caterpillar but first kathleen

has a quick comment. >> three things, first of all, the president was not talking about -- i mean, talking about' gives you didn't build. he was talking about roads. mitt romney in the same sentence turned around and said the same thing thing the president said. the guy he had in the commercial came on fox and reinstated what the president said that he did have help with three different government agencies. >> yeah. >> you go back to the olympics in february, 2002, mitt romney told the guys at the olympics they didn't build that. what is he talking about? we made that point. you have reinforced it. people successful are able to do so because of where they are living and the advantages of being an american. right? >> yeah. i think, you know, somebody who had been following along with

the story knows all of the details here and it's going to be interesting, talking about what things penetrate through. >> the reality is unfortunately, you put that lie out there in a paid ad as romney did. some people will believe it because they don't take time to try to find the facts. >> that's why romney is doing it. let's say hello to nick from st. louis. >> hey, bill, good morning. >> good morning. >> i would like to make a comment on romney taking things out of context president obama says. they didn't make it on their own, these companies. i will tell you what they keep forgetting the most important thin in the equation and that is the workers. i don't care how good of an idea these companies have. i don't care what kind of capital capitol they have. they could not have done it without the employees, the workers. they need to put that in that equation. sometimes i feel we have to put words in the president's mouth. >> that's an excellent point,

income. we have talked about the add advantages we had with teachers over infrastructure or tax advantages and the transportation system, all of that and all of that is right. but the workers are the most important part of the equation. absolutely, nick. thang for pointing that out. judd, the k yesterday with rich muhulskey, the vice president of the machinists union. they represent the workers at cat pillar now who are really involved in a pretty ugly dispute with the management there. what's going on? >> well, cat pillar is asking all of their workers to accept a 6-year freeze in pay, which is obviously a pretty long time not to have any increase in your salary. >> regardless of how the company might do, they are signing off on any benefits. >> exactly. it's a pretty extraordinary

concession they are being asked to make, unclear if they will agree to that. certainly, they are resisting as anyone would in negotiating a contract like that. but at the same time you have the ceo making $17 million a year, which is up action i believe, 40% over the previous year. it raises the question of how can a company continue to have these massive increases in ceo salary while asking the worker who are really driving the company, to take no increase at all? >> a real discord. i think it's i think it's kind of emblem attic of what we have seen across the whole economy, particularly over the last few years where you have seen ceo pay rise by leaps and bounds seemingly disconnected from any kind of company performance whereas worker pay has really

been flat or even slightly decreasing over time. and that's why there is so much of a strain for many people on the economy. >> is the ceo of cat pillerpillar going to take a six-year freeze in his salary and benefits? >> i have not heard anything about it. it doesn't sound like he is on the path to do something like that. >> i think you are pretty safe in saying that he will not. all right. joe legum, keep it going. we will see you next tuesday. >> looking forward to it. >> thinkprogress.org. check it out. make it one of your favorite stops as we do several times a day. i will be back and tell you what president obama is up to today on his west coast swing starting out in san francisco and then heading up north. tell you all about it coming up. >> radio meets television the bill press show now on current tv.

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♪ >> announcer: the parting shot with bill press. this is the "bill press show." >> all right. on this tuesday, july 24th my parting shot for today. you know i don't have any sympathy for joe pattern know and have even less for penn state. paterno put his football program over any protection.

as for penn state as an institution, first they covered up the crimes and then failed to act properly by dumping paterno, and then they didn't even take the statue down until they knew the ncaa was about to drop the hammer. one respect i believe the ncaa went overboard. they scrapped all of paterno's winnings back to 1988. but creep or not paterno won those games, he deserves credit for them the ncaa cannot rewrite history. that's my parting shot for today, folks. have a good day. eliot spitzer will be in studio with us. good reason for you to come back with us tomorrow. see you then. >> announcer: it's the "bill press show."