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didn't miss. and a new model with silicon valley entrepreneur gina bianchini. but first ken burns. welcome to the show. >> my pleasure. thank you. >> how do you have the bandwidth to compartmentalize all of these points of history. >> you do recognize all of your kids' voices even when they are far away. it is hard to say no when you think you have history firing on all cylinder s, and i make the same film over and over again, and that asks who are we? and what does an investigation of the pastel us about where we have been and where we're going and that's the gift of history, the medicine of history. so you come across something and you have to say yes. there is a kind of economy of

scale, there's a great warp and wolf to american history. i have been through the 1920s on about seven or eight different films, and each time the 20s i go through are totally different. even prohibition and baseball or jazz which you would think would be really close, it seemed really different. >> in that context do these films find you or do you seek them out? >> you know what that's a really good question. i -- i think they choose me. i just feel like i'm susceptible to a good story. i'll read a book. somebody i'm working with will be talking about something, and one of my partners will say i'm dying to do this and ten years later that's the only thing you want to do. they -- they -- i feel like i am samoa or guam, an american

possession, and if it's an american story, then i am interested in it. but i don't mean to suggest that it has a white picket fence around it, this is a complicated story. in order for us to achieve greatness, we have to continually be willing to hold our own feet to the fire and learn from the past and move forward. >> you talk about the madison avenue, the idea that we look back and these people are larger than life, and they don't have complexities. >> the pitfall is sentimentality and nostalgia. we always think it was simpler back then. >> why is that? >> because we're alive, and we think we're dealing with -- our

time is the most complex ever, and so we have got to assume they didn't think as complex -- that's not true. 10,000 years ago people were having conversations as animatedly and intelligently as we are today. so remove that arrogance and say, wow, i can learn from that. when i was out last year, i was like i have been making film about the demonization of recent immigrants in the united states about a whole group of people who feel like they have lost control of their country, and want to take it back. you think i'm talking about it now. it's prohibition. >> yeah. >> particularly in our times we're all preoccupied, but

history is still the table around which we might have a conversation we can all talk to. i don't know anyone that doesn't like abraham lincoln that isn't a complete crack pot. so we can start there. and learn from previous ages, and allow that leadership -- or at least that learned experience to possibly affect us idiots in the present. >> what else connects us as americans. there is such a human element in these stories. >> love is -- sort of the mechanics of the universe so in the end i sort of realized all of the films were about love. at the end of the first episode of civil war, we had this letter of a guy writing home to his wife. and he describes a love of country, love of cause a love

of government a love of wife the love of family the lover in the wife. all of those things are concentric circles that bespend a lot of time blinking and turning away from. but that's what we tear about. we live in a world that one plus one always equals two. but the things we care about are when one and one equals three. and don't just go after the one plus one but see the higher emotions of these collisions of forces in our lives, and so if you do that it's why we love mozart, it's why we love reading great literature. it's why art can transport us. that's what you want to look for. the things you care about most in your life are the things where one and one equals three.

it might be your faith, reason art, whatever those reasons are. and i'm a detective or just a greedy person wanting to find that. >> you talk about that -- that arc of discovery, and you are a medium of sorts -- >> yeah. >> -- but it's subjective isn't it? mozart, too many notes -- >> it is all subjective. the only objective -- and documentaries are fact-based but they are still storytelling. steven spillberg gets to make it up i don't. but we tell the same story. what you want to do is try to balance your own biases to see what you are drawn to and collect what you are drawn to -- i'm going to go where mount savatoire and see

different things. >> he did many paintings, didn't he -- >> of the same mountain over and mountain. i'm making a history. >> it's not an overstatement to say this is where america doesn't get its news. this is where america gets its history. you. >> well -- >> 10s of millions of people are watching this. >> there was a guy that came up to me from pbs, he said he has statistic that this great museum, the civil war premiered in 1990, 22 years ago, and if do you take the premiers -- the first showings just the premier

premiers of all of the film we have done until now it is 345 million. and then you realize it is so important that we americans have a history that we can all share. that isn't red state, blue state, it is our own. and then you can find a common ground to solve problems to appear to the better angels of our nature as lincoln said. >> he don't even have the same damn sets of facts. so how do you begin a conversation. >> you can't agree on climate change. let's go back and talk about the dust bowl. we know what happened and we're going to make money, the climate a perfect -- changed forever for

the good these wet years will stay forever and rain follows the plow. the very act of plowing the ground makes rain. nobody said hey, wait a second, that emperor has no clothes, but there was money to be made. and american history, there is this incredible attention between greed and curiosity, and all of these things and it's within you. walt carry said we have met the enemy and he is us. and we all know that from our own lives. we're our own worst enemies, and we are right. so if you try to include as many people as you can, then you have the possibility of saying well where do we have common ground? and you might be able -- and

this is not the only time in america where we have not been able to get along. we killed 750,000 of our own people over an issue of slavery that should have been an obvious hypocritical blot on all american are created equal, so we can do this. i give a lot of commence ent speeches, and they always say don't tell them their future lies behind them. and i go okay. it may not seem relevant to a lot of people, but it's really healthy, and it gets you places and you learn things and i think the older we get as a country, the older one gets as a person, you realize the value of well, what happened back then? how did they handle that?

and if you see what the roosevelts went through, all of ons. what is the proper role of government. how does the intersection of character and performance -- where is that happening? all of these things that we debate every single day is played out in all of these stories. not gist the roosevelts but dozens of things we have done. and that tells me we have a prism into not only what went on before us, but what is going on now. history is a set of questions we in the present ask of the past, so it formed by our own fears, hopes, wishes, dreams, and that means the very act of asking questions of the past is a mirror that tells us who we are. >> what part of history are we in today? >> we're in -- it is always the same. there is nothing new under the sun, which means those that have the ability to learn from those

lessons, succeed. those who don't, fall back. and so it becomes therefore the obligation of all of us to be for each other. we say that there are 50 states in the union, there are actually 46. the other four are commonwealth and we think that that's a dirty word. but commonwealth means if anybody is falling behind we all fall behind and somehow we have an obligation not just to the most of us but to the least of us. and that's an amazing american thing that somehow at least in our civic discourse has frayed a little bit. sometimes government needs to come in. you know, when your house is on fire at 3:00 in the morning. do you call the marketplace? >> no. >> when you expect boots to be on the ground in afghanistan defending american foreign

policy, do you expect this to be the marketplace that does this? more often than not when you unravel that thread, the government has had a role in priming the pump. president reagan himself looked at me and said where is the funding from? i said we started off with funding from the corporation of public broadcasting and the national center of the humanities. and he said that's exactly right, because then -- and i say you are exactly right. we then took that and went on. and he said that's what it has to be a public/private partnership. so now he looks like a moderate blue dog democrat to what is going on now. >> there is so much going on now, but i'm grateful you were on, and the idea of the

commonwealth is spot on and the idea one plus one is three. >> we cannot do it alone. roosevelt said, you know, better the occasional errors of a government dedicated to charity than the icy indifference of a government frozen in the ice of its own indifference. he was basically paraphrasing dante. >> ken, great to have you. >> my pleasure. >> thank you. as ken just said we must learn from the past to better understand our future. today that means a world where new technologies allow for cyber terrorism to flourish on a global scale. how does it work and how do you protect yourself? we'll find out after the break.

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♪ the first well-documented crime 2.0 was a terrorist attack in dubai in 2008. the terrorist killed and wounded hundreds of people and plotted the attack via a command center. that was four years ago. and today there are innovations that would blow you away. former l.a. street cop, and now

director at the future crimes unit marc goodman investigates crime. so criminals are early app adopters of the new crime. >> exactly. international organized crime, whether it be cartels or other forms of criminal organizations actually have people on staff that do r&d around technology. some of the drug organizations in latin america and columbia actually have budgetings for robotics, in columbia they spend up to $5 million a year researching robotics so they can deliver drugs -- >> give me an example. >> they are building submarines that hold tons of cocaine.

and the de estimates there are 20 such drug subs launched every year. >> and drones aerial vehicles? >> absolutely. all robotic systems whether they be water based, ground based or air based, will be going for much larger penetration rates. and criminals as we said earlier are early adopters so the fbi recently arrested an al-qaida affiliate outside of boston who was using drones and flying them into the capitol. so you can take the people out of the equation now. in other places both in brazil and the uk we have had quad

copter drones. >> what is that? >> a little remote controlled helicopter. they are relatively cheap and they can carry things so prisons of course have high walls to keep bad people in people convicted of crimes more specifically. and now with quad copters you can fly over the wall and we are seeing criminals flying drugs, weapons, even robotics into the prisons. >> the one-off robberies are being replaced with what? >> the money still exists but what is money today? it's not longer little pieces of paper. it's actually data. so the new money is big data,

and when large corporations are producing tara bites, and gigabytes of data all over the world, organized crime groups have figured out what to do with it, and they are going after big data. and they don't need the big hit anymore. the old paradigm of crime was to go out there study the bank and spending two years plotting it, so they can get a $10 million hit. today using scripted forms of mall ware, computer viruses, and the like, you can have one piece of computer crime software. it will rob $1 from 10 million people, and it does this while you the criminal and your organization sleep. crime has become automated. you can buy crime on the underground digital market criminal software, and it comes

with service-level agreements. so organized crime groups are guaranteeing 80% of their stolen credit card numbers will work or you get your money back. and if you have trouble robbing people with crime software you can call an 800-support line. there is a very famous case out of eastern europe, the russian crime call center which just like any call center it is staffed 24 hours a day, completely multi-lingual, and if you need somebody to place an illegal call for you, pretending to be somebody else so you can take over their bank account, they are happy to staff it out. >> out sourcing crime, is that it? >> it is crime sourcing. we have heard the positive side of outsourcing and crowd sourcing, and now it has morphed sourcing.

now we're seeing flash mobs turn into flash robs. and young people are sending blackberry messages to all meet at the local mall and have 100 people run into a local shop at the same time and steal everybody they can. >> and when a few get arrested there's no context to who the header was. >> exactly. >> so crowd sourcing collaboration, the benefits in this case of collaboration even within organized working with each other. is that the kind of thing you are starting to see? >> that's exactly right. the exact incite that i think law enforcement hasn't really

grasp yet. when you try to cooperate on the government side of things the wheels of justice can move really slowly, and in those cases it's very difficult to keep up with international organized crime groups or even terrorists, because they don't have to ask permission or get clearance from certain people. back when i was with the police department if i was investigating a computer crime case where the suspect was in france, i would need to fill out a request that would go to my captain, who sends it to detective headquarters who would send it to the chief of police who would send it to the sheriff, and so on and so forth to the department of state, to the french ministry of foreign affairs -- that process was two years. two-year process for me to get the information i needed to do the investigation. at the same time if you are

hosting some form of illicit activities on the website, you can change those internet protocol addresses within second. >> just so people don't think you are being hyperbolic or overstating your fears or concerns sony -- >> yes. >> -- recent example, a robbery in the tradition sense. >> yes. >> took credit information using the sony play station. >> yes. so the more we connect ours to the net, the more vulnerabilities we have. those used to be in big gray boxes, and then you we have smartphones and play stations and all of these devices. the old paradigm of robbing one person at a time right?

you could buy a gun or knife, you would hang around in a dark alley, your victim came around and they would give you one purse or wall let. and when you have tens of millions of people on any network, you can commit robbery or identity theft as a mass scale. in the sony case over 100 million accounts were compromised. think about that. >> yeah. >> never in the history of humanity has it been possible for one person to go after 100 million people. technology also allows illicit actors, those with bad intentions to also rob and harm at scale two. after a quick break, marc has some critical tips on how to best protect yourself.

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are my vacation photos when you are on vacation. points of caution. >> social media has taken off and is here to stay. facebook is approaching a billion users. and we share -- we're encouraged to share. we post pictures of birthdays and the like, and we post things about our vacations or trips. anything you post on a social network, even if you have the privacy setting set to protect you, you should assume will get out in the public domain. and there are people leveraging all of this social data that we are creating. a few years ago, a website was created called pleaserobme.com. and it scrolled across all of the social networks and aggregated all of the postings by people saying they were going

to be on vacation. and they could all of this information and created a database for burglars. so you can put in an address and find out who was gone in our area. and other organizations, competitors and even nation states are going through the tweets and postings of individuals, companies corporations, and they are pitting this against one company. and we have seen one case where information has leaked to a company's detriment. >> what with question do to protect ourselves? >> think before you tweet. it's up to us today how much we choose to share. but moving forward in the future, there are many new technologies that will make it

difficult for us not to share. all cars are being connected through the internet. your location and car will be known. rental cars are already doing that. buy -- by you metrics are snapping your picture and they can find your social security number in seconds. >> how do we protect ourselves? >> if you look at how innovative the criminals and terrorists are, it makes me sad sometimes to look at the government response. be very aware of your technology. it's a 2-way street. every phone comes with a camera. if you have something you want to discuss don't do it in the presence of any of these electronic devices. think carefully about your

operating systems. of course the basic anti-virus updates and think and ask about what you share. if you are a parent you have a strong responsibility to educate your children and even your parents. think, get advice, and be judicious in your use of technology. >> fascinating stuff. thanks so much for coming on the show. >> the pleasure was mine. up next internet pioneer will explain after a quick break. >>it's the place where democracy is supposed to be the great equalizer, where your vote is worth just as much as donald trump's. we must save the country. it starts with you.

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social pioneer gina bianchini is at the front lines of a whole new crop of young female online entrepreneurs. gina, welcome to the show. >> thank you for having me. >> mighty bell. >> yes. >> the bell that rings to get our attention in the night to enforce billions of users. is that the idea? >> that is the idea. we want to help people taken spire ration and turn it into action. and a bell has been used for thousands of years to call people together, bring them together, and when you think about 2 billion people using digital technologies today and a billion using social

technologies, that's a pretty bad-ass bell. >> the challenge for so many of us is there are so many things that take our time and attention. how did you differentiate, you were there from the beginning, you are legitimately a social pioneer, you have that experience, you are going against -- i guess -- though i imagine you'll say it is not competition facebook. but why does somebody need your product? what does it do? >> absolutely. just i think it's true in the market today, there are so many me too companies that are trying to tweak one small thing that other people do perfectly well. we have a different approach at mighty bell. what we looked at was today everybody is focused on big

numbers. i'm sure you are going to get out of here and say did i increase any mighty bell of twitter followers, or how many people have liked me on facebook. and we looked at it and said gosh the coverage of people going after broadcasts the biggest numbers. that's something that -- at lot of people are playing that game. and what truly motivated us as a small team sitting in palo alto it was something very different. it was depth. it was the idea that a small group of people coming together around something they cared about, could actually have a bigger impact than somebody clicking a button to say that they like it. or somebody clicking a button to say hey, followers, you should look at this too. so again, how do we turn inspiration into action. and that was about creating

small groups, and software for small groups of people. >> you keep using -- passion is clearly a word that you connect with, and certainly mishg ng was part of that but the distinction seems to be actionable. >> yes. >> to make real and manifest. >> yes. >> not just focusing on problems but solving them. >> yes, we have learned that people from a software perspective want creative ad hoc spaces. even for something that is really boring. we forget that as -- as software designers, i think, a lot of time. one of the things with mighty bell is you can change the colors. have a white background or black background. whatever is the right colors for

what you are trying to do. and yet we are asking people to make space for something new. make space for a passion, an interest, a goal and it's our job to help somebody come together in an interesting place with great content and other interesting people with the ability to talk to each other, but then also plan things together. whether those are events or an online chat or whether it is everybody reading the same article or reading the same book and then being able to talk about it. and that's to me the future of social media, is that people want to go deep. they want to change it but they are kind of sick of talking about it. not to say that anyone is going to stop talking any time soon. >> no, that's right. >> but i do think there is this next step which is how do we actually look at and drive not

just the breadth that is now possible, but the depth that comes from the power of a small group of people reinforcing and supporting each other towards, you know, a curiosity that becomes a passion. >> so what i'm hearing from you is the there is the one size fits all to social media as we have known it. but this next generation by customization. >> absolutely. and cost tommization not only of where and how you spend your time, but who you spend your time with. and going deeper in the context of something you care about, about something you care about. i'll give you an example. one of the things that a lot of publishers are trying to figure out is why comments on like an article don't really seem to produce anything really thoughtful, or when you look at youtube video comments not

really the greatest place -- not the most supportive environment. >> no. >> it's just better not to look at them, and part of that is because community -- there's almost this assumption that everybody wants to talk at each other in this big million, two million, three million view world, and in reality the conversation you have one group of friends is going to be very different than the conversation you might have with your family or the conversation that you might have with -- you know your professal friends. and what i think social media is going to adapt to from here is the fact that people want to have the context of a private conversation, and a private space with people that they are going to have a different kind of conversation with all over the same article, so you still have one article but it's not

about how everyone is talking at each other. and if you think of a public profile whether that's on twitter or facebook it's about your public persona, and how that is going to react to an article, which might be very different than how you may talk to five friends about it. >> is that what google plus is trying to do? >> trying. >> and you are -- you are trying to take that to the next level, trying to organize this in a way that actually can deliver on that promise? >> yes. and i have nothing against google plus and circle zone i think it's a huge effort that they are trying to accomplish with the same goal. however, no one wakes up in the morning with -- with a picture of their social network as a graph that has some people over here and these people over here or thinks about biking. what i have learned about -- in

building software and specifically social software is it's the hook when it relates to the things that make people, you know, different and creative and messy. it really actually requires a little bit of personality that's sometimes hard to create when you are building a utility, and that's just choices that different people make, and it is going to work for some and not others. >> why business is a better way to change the world than politics? >> social software is really organizational software. and if you want to have an impact on as many people and place as possible software lets you do that in a really leveragable way. i also, though, believe, and there really is sort of no substitute watching that the people that have a seat at the table, whether it's because they

have an incredibly loud voice or they have an incredibly big stick of financial power behind them, they influence the world. and as silicon valley makes people lots of money they have more power than someone who chooses another path. and i wanted to basically be able to influence the world around me in a positive way, and hopefully i'm doing so. >> is -- it begs the question about silicon valley. is the secret sauce the audacity, almost the arrogance that we want to change the world? >> that's a great question. i think it's a lot of that. i think it attracts people who's ambition is global. >> hum. >> it -- it's -- you know it's

100 million users is not good enough. [ laughter ] >> you know, and that is actually one of the things that i think is so interesting about silicon valley is you are playing a game of three dimensional chess, because whatever you look at and say is this the win is this what is possible? and somebody else comes along and if they have a more ambitious idea, they find a way to unlock it, and because you are dealing with a billion people using social software, two billion people online the power to unleash human potential is profound. >> speaking of insane from my subjective perspective, and unleashing capacity and potential, woman. and the remarkable challenge we

have particularly in the valley you are a notable exception, but an exception nonetheless of women in positions of power, ceo, co-founder of a major company. what is going on? what is holding women back? and is this a serery threat to the viability and growth and potential of the valley and technology as a whole? >> i think it is a threat, because when you look at the fact you're essentially excluding 50% of the population you know -- somewhere in that 50% might be some good ideas. >> yeah. >> and silicon valley is based on pattern recognition, so we are -- and i will say we in this regard, but we are looking for pattern recognition, because it's not about ideas. ideas are important, but execution is everything. >> yeah. >> so if you are writing a large

check to -- to another person you know if they look and -- and feel like we're all human beings. if they look and feel like someone who has a pattern of being successful, you are probably more likely to write them a check than somebody who comes in with the exact same idea but is different. >> thanks for coming in and making things better and more inclusive. >> thanks for having me. what struck me most about today's show is nothing changes, everything changes, yet the fundamentals they remain the same. it's alarming how ken burns describes america. my thoughts on today's show just after the break. only on current tv.

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>> we talk a lot about the influence of money in politics. it is the defining issue of this era. the candidate with the most money does win. this is a national crisis. ♪ in closing we have a lot to learn from tonight's guest, ken burns excels at taking on complex periods of american history and ill lime nating them into visual stories in doing so he allows us to compare our current obstacles to their historic predecessors. marc goodman applies his

expensive experience in global cyber crime to peer into the future. he is concerned about mass-scale cyber attacks that could get much, much worse in the future if we don't act now. and gina bianchini shows us the positive possibilities of social technology, building small networks from highly targeted collaboration. perhaps it's just this kind of crowd sourcing that can lead to answers for the security risks that goodman imagines in the future. we get involved in the 24-hour news cycle and election topics but as ken burns points out history continues to repeat itself and always will. i believe the answer lies in looking at proobs figuring out what caused them what came before, and how it will evolve in the future. whether it's environmental regulation or gun control, we need to learn from our past

errors so we can create a better future together. thanks forwatching the show and let's continue our conversation on facebook twitter, and google plus. ♪ just doesn't get it. >>(narrator) independent unflinching, and above all politically direct.

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