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wow. my star power has attracted quite a crowd already. i don't know if the cameras are catching -- it is basically two current executives out there. current executive's wife who is required to be here. 1-800-steph-12 the phone number toll free from anywhere. we're still doing a show here. we're having a breakfast for tv critics that starts in an hour. so apparently an omelet, a much bigger draw than i am. [ laughter ] that's where i am, bill press on the show business ladder. >> bill: a slab of bacon will bring them in. >> stephanie: this is a true story, bill dress. this is the kind of indignity we suffer in television. i had to film a commercial forfy disastrous late night show. it was a comedy sketch where a dog was sniffing me but he wouldn't do it. i was not attractive even to a labrador so they had to run bacon on my zipper to get the labrador to be attracted -- >> so tv critics are like

labradors. >> i smell bacon. >> stephanie: on my bustier. >> bill: maybe i should try rubbing bacon -- >> stephanie: mitt romney thinks the trip went very well. take a listen. >> romney: i'm very pleased with what i've learned on this trip and the opportunities i've had to speak with leaders and the exchanges we've had. >> stephanie: very pleased. >> i run bacon on my zipper. i don't know why. >> stephanie: he rubbed bacon on his zipper. >> bill: i wonder exactly -- >> stephanie: you like pork products right? >> bill: what part of the trip was he so pleased with? >> stephanie: bill, look at this headline. this is going to be his -- his game plan. he's going to say no, i didn't. i didn't say that. it is on tape. no, i didn't. i did not speak about the palestinian culture. >> wow. >> but you did! >> stephanie: we have it on tape.

>> bill: the idea that the palestinians are like 1/10 of the income of the israelis, nothing do do with the fact that they've been an occupied land for the last 25, 30 years. >> stephanie: he even screwed the numbers up. >> bill: he got the numbers wrong. >> stephanie: other than that, it was spectacular. >> bill: great staff work on the trip. like getting off the plane and dumping on the brits. being invited to someone's wedding and you say gol, what a lousy event, i could have planned a better event than this. >> stephanie: really? the bridesmaids' dresses are awful and that's what you're serving to eat? eww! >> key have screwed up the visit more in england if he had joined the i.r.a. >> oh, my god! >> stephanie: that was my favorite. i met with the mi-6. ooh. hey. you know what? that's not really a panic.

>> all of the top secret stuff i larned. >> bill: you have to give david cameron credit. the% putdown ever. >> the games in the middle of nowhere. >> stephanie: he would have outed it by accident. i was talking to valerie plame who was an undercover operative for the central intelligence agency. what? what have i done? let me tell you what she's working on, weapons in iran. all right. so the -- >> her number is -- 555- >> stephanie: so he's going to try to distract with a v.p. pick. >> bill: this is great. >> stephanie: i think stephen colbert called the bland leading the bland. he thinks this sizzle will distract us from everything else. >> bill: you know the first test when they're vetting is more boring than mitt. and that's a tough test! think about it! i think pawlenty -- i think he meets the test.

>> stephanie: they're saying portman or pawlenty. >> he could get a wax figure. >> portman. >> stephanie: he's going to announce it via an iphone app. >> great. >> stephanie: isn't that exciting? mitt's v.p., it is a free app everybody. >> bill: you know what? he'll screw that up. he'll probably put it on rafalca's tweets. >> stephanie: rafalca posted it by accident. all right, bill press, thank you for getting your "full court press." >> bill: so much fun to join you guys the rest of the morning block. >> stephanie: i always dreamed of being a block with you. love you, bill press. >> bill: love you. >> stephanie: we continue live from some seedy hotel in los angeles. talking liberally, "the stephanie miller show." i heard rush limbaugh, oh, they're asking the unions to

give up a little bit. they already agreed. that's not what this is about. scott walker testified to that in congress. >> this court has proven to be the knowing, delighted accomplice in the billionaires' purchase of our nation. >> and you think it doesn't affect you? think again.

(vo) cenk uygur is many things. >>oh really? >>tax cuts don't create jobs. the golden years as the conservatives call them, we had the highest tax rates, and the highest amount of growth, and the highest amount of jobs. those are facts. >>"if you ever raise taxes on the rich, you're going to destroy our economy."

not true! [ ♪ music ♪ ] >> continue to offer honesty despite it is transforming me into an old woman alone in a one room apartment filled with 30-year-old newspapers and cats. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: it is "the stephanie miller show" live from -- i don't know. the beverly hilton here in los angeles. we're waiting for the tv critics to show up. >> merv griffin's beverly hilton. look jacki schechner is with us. >> yea! >> stephanie: she's a tv girl. she doesn't understand radio. she's like where is my microphone? >> somebody on twitter asked me how i got to sit up here. i said i would work the buffet between the breaks.

>> stephanie: we normally make her sit at the kids table. pretty girl! >> pass the sweet potatoes. >> jim would like the strawberry waffles. somebody else would like more fries with that. the headsets -- i can do egg whites but it will be an extra dollar. >> stephanie: just what she hoped for in her journalism career. damn it, i said a frittata. thank gooden for mitten romney because he keeps making more and more news. rocky mountain mike, it is a -- well there will be many tributes to mitt romney. this is one. >> governor romney, just a few questions, sir. view taken but three questions on this trip. ♪ i just can't wait to shoot off my mouth again ♪ ♪ making enemies from friends and i can't wait to shoot off my mouth

again ♪ ♪ on the road again ♪ ♪ it is my way or the highway ♪ ♪ i just can't wait to shoot off my mouth again ♪ ♪ the gaffes i say are making enemies from friends and i can't wait to shoot off my mouth again ♪ >> stephanie: willie nelson who we just had on last week. see what we did? by the way, bill press' dollar is still in my bustier. jacki, if you would like a lap dance, you're going to have to pony up. i would like a waffle. [ laughter ] >> and another dollar. >> stephanie: it is a combination of television and radio is disconcerting. chris with his -- someone comes in with a giant three stooges

powder. >> makeup! >> still shiny. little shiny. >> stephanie: jim asked me if he was shiny and i said only in a good way. a happy shiny. [ ♪ magic wand ♪ ] >> i'm not gonna hurt ya. i'm just going to beat your brains in, that's all. >> stephanie: this is why we have nice things like jacki schechner here at current. [ ♪ "world news tonight" ♪ ] we have a real news person. here's why the mainstream media drives me crazy. did you see this headline? four ways, mitt romney's foreign tour was a success. really? like they need to make it seem like they're being fair and balanced. i'm like well, that will take some doing. >> well, he didn't catch fire. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: he didn't shove a fire work up his ass. in australia. >> stephanie: yeah.

what is the week? the week's editorial staff. >> it is a newsmagazine. >> stephanie: even republican strategists, i find the entire trip border line lunacy. romney should have stayed home. top romney strategist told reporters -- if they tell reporters something, they have to say it. he said it was a great success generally. >> that's what i don't understand. spin is one thing but delusion is a whole nother conversation. it is like we didn't see it? we didn't watch this trip go by? >> it is on tape. we have a record of it! >> this is not the candidate you're looking at! >> stephanie: you being a spectacular journalist, jacki if you asked a romney strategist that and they said it was a great success would you delve for more details? >> it is like saying the titanic, it was a good cruise. >> on average. >> it did really well going

across the atlantic. >> the music was great. the band and the food, spectacular. the band was awesome. until they were underwater, it was awesome. >> the food was spectacular. it was generally a success. sure. >> never mind that iceberg thing. >> stephanie: this is what used to drive us crazy when schwarzenegger was governor because he would always say and things of this nature. >> these kinds of things. >> stephanie: i always wanted a reporter to say what kind of things are things of this nature? >> and things like this. >> i don't understand where we've come to this point in the media where we can look at something and instead of deciphering the facts, we create the perception of what did and didn't happen. >> stephanie: they enumerated four ways. number one he locked up the pro-israel vote. >> i think obama has a tremendous lead amongst jewish voters tremendous. i want to say like 35 points, something like that.

>> stephanie: any official jew of "the stephanie miller show," obama. >> he's to the right of israel on israel. the best part was that we signed that affirmation of our tie to israel the day before he went there. he said he was going to do the opposite of what president obama did. somewhere along the way he locked up the vote. in undoing -- anyway, go on. >> stephanie: news piece. number two -- >> i'll agree with the number one, huge success. >> stephanie: would like iran blown up immediately. >> and the palestinian vote. [ laughter ] >> can you travel abroad with a whole group of donors like sheldon adelson a little entourage of american donors that followed him around.

just want to make sure, he's a charlie brown, he had to bring people with him. >> like a pigpen cloud of dust following him. >> cloud of dust. >> cloud of money. >> adelson. >> stephanie: he raked in that -- number two he raked in a small fortune in donations and sealed the deal with sheldon adelson. >> i thought that deal was already sold -- already sealed a long time ago. >> stephanie: i pictured phelps. sheldon adelson probably wrote that speech. if you say this thing -- a big bag of cash. >> stephanie: here's another thousand. >> he sat next to him at breakfast. don't underestimate the power of the frittata. >> stephanie: oh, he got a boost from poland's anti-soviet hero lech walesa. >> a union buster.

the whole movement is -- >> stephanie: this is so speculative. it is like -- >> large polish-american vote that was going to sway the election? >> stephanie: the official pollock. >> i'm sure chicago will go for a frittata. >> stephanie: i'm dumb enough to be tricked by this. i'm going to vote for romney now. very easily tricked. >> just set a light bulb in front of you. monopoly money. >> stephanie: he earned romney a few votes in the great lakes states. i'm a pollock from a great lakes state. look ca wanna. i have some friends back in tonawanda. he showed he has conviction. really? israel britain and poland, romney was unapologetic about his beliefs. oh, yes, he was.

and gave blunt and thoughtful answers on everything from the olympics to palestinian economic mistakes. >> they were blunt all right. >> last person who was unapologetic, president bush. >> stephanie: no apologies. and then whoever finished writing the speech said if this is the romney we're going to see during the balance of the campaign, obama is in deep trouble. yes, indeedy. all right! >> blunt of course is the opposite of sharp. >> stephanie: all right. that is -- we're getting ready for though is the sizzle of the vice presidential pick. >> ooh. do you have the pre-op? >> i do. i do. but i'll tell you why i downloaded it yesterday to make sure there were no spelling errors. he spelled america wrong so i was curious. i actually spell checked and grammar checked that. >> stephanie: i love this. desperate to be the first to

learn -- of romney's vice presidential pick. who isn't? there is an app for that. they rolled out a smart phone application that will serve as the first official distribution channel. the romney strategist said the historic announcement is getting closer. >> the anticipation! >> stephanie: the anticipation of it is building. oh boy okay. >> portman or pawlenty will be the game changer? >> stephanie: we have some fun facts about rob portman would you like to hear? >> wait, there are fun facts? >> stephanie: yes! here are some surprising facts about rob portman. he's an astonishing mimic. charlie rangel calls jim. >> it is going to get me in trouble some day. >> a mime. >> jacki schechner and i are

normally in brady bunch boxes. now i can actually see you. let's see. so he's a mimic. he's a virtual method actor when it comes to impersonating his fellow politicians. >> wonder who does mitch mcconnell? >> stephanie: he played -- he's versatile jim. he has played in debates preps barack obama al gore, jon lieberman, john edwards and hillary clinton. >> did he wear a wig and dress? >> no wig no dress. interesting. not interesting but interesting. this is what the media -- >> that's what i want in a vice president. >> not really. >> portman could pretend to be romney so he could put on a romney wig and not make gaffes. >> stephanie: oh, he also -- a haunted hotel. i don't like the ones we went to when we were kids. put your hand in the spaghetti.

they're eyeballs. no, they're not. they're eggs. >> they're grapes. >> ooh, it is -- oh, no, it's dust. >> stephanie: wow, we have quite a line-up. we have a turk coming up. >> really? >> stephanie: it is the head turk. coming up in just a few minutes. jacki schechner, thank you. i think he's changed his order to blueberry. >> okay, good to know. >> real maple syrup or like an agave syrup? >> stephanie: agave aren't you fancy? >> some lemon rind. >> stephanie: all right, thank you, jacki. i'll take more waffles. >> you've got it. >> we like our news piping hot at the top of the hour. we'll be right back. 46 minutes after the hour. right back on "the stephanie miller show." >> this is rapidly approaching a

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[ ♪ music ♪ ] [ ♪ music ♪ ] >> announcer: stephanie miller ♪ ♪ girls like an island ♪ >> stephanie: just because i'm dressed like a cocktail waitress is no reason to play that sort of -- >> flip you around and work that booty? >> stephanie: i beg your pardon. it is "the stephanie miller show." live from the beverly hilton today for the television critics

association. wow, can i say one thing we have the hottest governors on our side. wow! they're also the smartest governors. we just saw governor jennifer granholm who will be joining us in just a bit. lieutenant-governor gavin newsom will be joining us as well. >> stephanie: hot and awesome. oh wait a minute. i still have more rob portman fun facts before we do right-wing world. they're trying to add some sizzle jim. rob portman learned spanish from mexican cowboys. much like george w. bush. he probably speaks that. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: they're trying to make him seem macho and appealing. lethal weapon two may have saved

his life. on a kayaking adventure in chile, portman found himself in serious trouble when the boat capsized. he dislocated his shoulder. key use his right shoulder to swim. he popped his shoulder -- lethal weapon 2 mel gibson pops his dislocated shoulder against a file cabinet. >> there is a file cabinet in the river? portman grabbed a large rock, hurled his right shoulder at it and was able to swim to shore. give me a break. really? >> then he wrestled a grizzly bear. >> stephanie: oh, please. all right. that concludes the -- the mainstream media's latest [ bleep ] story. exciting mitt romney v.p. picks. all right. let's dive into the right-wing world. shall we, kids? [ ♪ circus ♪ ] let's see.

charles krauthammer on the president. >> he stood for an israel which is strong and has strong relations with the u.s. which would not make concessions gratuitously. it would defend itself against iran. that's why the palestinians opposed it and why they jumped on this remark. this was not a gaffe. this was the truth and it is something that israelis would understand and appreciate. >> stephanie: wait a minute. didn't we just plays charles krauthammer a couple of days ago -- saying -- >> that was about the gaffe in london. that wasn't the palestinian gaffe. >> stephanie: he called him a giant dufus. all he had to do was finish the race and he tackled the guy in the lane next to him. he's locked down that pro-israel vote like we were saying earlier. locked it yeah. all of the people are to the right of netanyahu locked down. rush limbaugh on the president. >> they have discovered that obama does have slave blood.

it is -- they're so happy on the left today. it is -- they're actually eating meat they're so happy. they're celebrating. they found slave blood in obama's genealogical traits. you can't be an authentic black unless you can have ancestral traces to the deep south and slavery. >> what the hell is he talking about? >> stephanie: i must have missed that. >> ancestry.com did a study of president barack obama's lineage. he was related to the first slave. >> stephanie: i know that. >> on his mother's side. >> stephanie: i don't know about you but just like every other liberal i know, the minute i meet a black person, i'm like show me your slave card. what! okay. move on. bernard goldberg on o'reilly. >> if you don't know how many states there are, if you don't know what the capital of the

united states is, if you don't know -- i don't know -- if you don't know that much, you know what? do everybody a favor. stay home. don't vote. please. >> stephanie: too bad for sarah palin. really? they're just coming up with more and more requirements to vote. >> love america you betcha. >> stephanie: upset about that skit with the queen at the olympics. how can she do that? she's supposed to be running the country. you betcha. >> jumping out of helicopters. >> stephanie: the dignity of the office of the queen-dom. >> how can you hop out of helicopters to shoot things? >> stephanie: while you're up there, wolves are still alive. >> stephanie: sean hannity on the president. >> as we have seen over the last three and a half years, the obama philosophy says that bigger government, higher taxes more regulation make the best

formula for creating jobs and getting the economy back on track. but sadly, we've all seen firsthand the painful results of that type of thinking. >> oh, no. that's chevy. >> stephanie: yeah. no. we saw that with george w. bush though. >> uh-huh. >> stephanie: andrea on the five. >> look at young people born in 1988, it is significantly higher than those who were born in 1964. bob, i argued once that maybe the economic downturn was the best thing to happen to them because then they weren't so everybody gets a trophy. maybe they had to go back home and work at the quizno's or the blockbuster. >> best thing that happened to the youth of america is the economic downturn. >> stephanie: i've recently learned the value of a doral when bill press shoved it down my bustier. i speak for the rest of young america when i say we need to hurry. monica crowley on o'reilly.

>> this is how the left thinks. all identity politics all the time. it is slice and dice, every american group into racial differences, ethnic differences gender differences and they target those particular groups. they don't see americans as individuals. >> where did she get her political science degree? >> same place orly taitz got her dental degree. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: don't get me started. don't go pissing off my best friend. there is going to be an e-mail in my inbox. >> i look for those. since we had her on. >> in russian, monthly doven and hebrew. >> thought you might be interested in this. not really. delete. we have a turk. we got us a turk, ladies and gentlemen, next on "the stephanie miller show." governor tomorrow night. she is awesome. we'll be right back on the "stephanie miller show."

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♪ ix with my vodka. this is going to be a long morning. hello, everybody. it is hour number -- hour number three. sure! >> oh, my god. >> there is a lot of people in here. we had a mad rush for the tater tots. a little bit of an emergency but we're good now. we're good now. >> stephanie: we're all very excited to be here. we're at the television critics association in fabulous hollywood, california. >> i'm having a little technical difficulties, the little man in my ear runs away. >> stephanie: is he the voice in your head? >> he's very handsome and romantic. >> stephanie: handsome and romantic man. here's jacki schechner with the news. >> really, just like that?

all right. we'll do like that. now michael phelps has an olympic record. 19 medals. he's also got a tweet from the president. look at that. he says congratulations to michael phelps for breaking the all-time olympic medal record. you've made our country proud -- b. o. then he wrote back to the president, he said thank you mr. president. it is an honor representing the u.s.a. best country in the world. >> stephanie: it is hard for him to tweet because he has hands like a platypus. >> gigantic. >> tweeting likely swimming, a little difficult. all right. so here's another one. mitt romney's tax plan turns out to raise taxes on 95% of americans. and cut tax for the top 5%. shocker, right? new study out today by the brookings institute and the tax policy center before anybody says it is bias, "the washington post" says the two tried very

hard to give romney the benefit of the doubt. he wants to cut the tax rate 20% across the board. that means we would have $360 billion less by 2015. in order to make up for that without increasing the deficit because romney says he wants to be deficit neutral, he would have to eliminate a bunch of tax breaks for the middle class. >> stephanie: oh no. >> education, child care, mortgage breaks, things like that so essentially his tax plan is going to be a net increase for the middle class and a net break for the wealthiest americans. >> there aren't enough rich people to vote for him. >> stephanie: no. it involves making a lot of poor people into mulch isn't there? >> i think there was a part of -- on posting -- composting. for the middle class. >> i represent the compost america. >> that's what's coming out today as far as the tax plan. now that we have specifics, it is not looking so hot. >> stephanie: this is going to go so much better with vodka. here, have some.

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[ ♪ theme music ♪ ] >> announcer: ladies and gentlemen, it's "the stephanie miller show." ♪ i'm walkin' on sunshine ♪ ♪ i'm walkin' on sunshine ♪ ♪ and it's time to feel good ♪ ♪ hey, all right now ♪ ♪ and it's time to feel good ♪ >> stephanie: oh, my, yes it is. it is "the stephanie miller show" live from the beverly hilton here in los angeles for the television critics association and can i just say for some reason, one startlingly handsome man after another keeps appearing like a fantasy. lieutenant-governor of california gavin newsom. >> thank you stephanie. you know now you're a big television star, i had to come all prepared, tie and suit on. otherwise, i would be in jeans. i would look like you. got the l.a. look going.

look at that. trim the beard. the whole thing. >> stephanie: you clean up nice because normally you look so scruffy. >> thank you. you're a special person. >> stephanie: you moderated a panel i did for my san francisco station when you were mayor and i sat right next to you and i don't think i got a coherent word out. i was just staring. just staring. >> politicians talk a lot. i know. what do you expect? come on. what do you want? >> stephanie: and now you have a fabulous show here on friday nights on current. what a line-up we have. >> it is fun. getting more interesting as we just found out. >> stephanie: i was thrilled as a californian you're not leaving the lieutenant-governorship because i need you in both places. >> it is fun to be a politician and do this. of course it comes with risk. i mean you're one nonresponse away -- forget what you say, it is what you don't say when a guest says something. oliver stone said this.

why didn't you challenge him or whatever it is. you have to be careful. it is interesting. it is fun. >> stephanie: this is like one long non sequitur, this show. there's too much for me to run for anything. >> 20 years of tapes on you. >> yeah, you're dead. there's no chance. >> stephanie: you have so many titles, i don't know what to call you. mr. mayor governor sir? >> want to walk the streets with me? i'll answer to anything, stephanie. i'll take any of the above. gavin will really work. >> stephanie: i'm excited to have you here for a number of reasons. first, you must be thrilled. marriage equality is going to be a -- you were so ahead of the game. >> we were quietly -- how far out do we go with writing letters? do we want to embarrass the president? we don't want to make this a big issue. particularly in north carolina after the referendum. but it is remarkable how quickly that platform committee decided

look we gotta back up our president. when he goes out on a limb and does what he did and obviously other democratic leaders we have to show we support him. >> stephanie: because of trailblazers like you, when it was not politically safe, that you -- >> there's extraordinary history to this with extraordinary people doing courageous and remarkable things. no more than martin, the first couple we married in san francisco that had been together over half a century. talk about faith love, devotion, talk about what love and marriage is all about. physical manifestation of that. you think about their lives. honestly, what it was like 20, 30 40 years ago to be out to be yourself in a society that was clearly not prepared for that. so for us to be able to put a human face on it in 2004 is one of the privileges of my life. one that i -- politically honestly didn't think i would survive. recall campaign. people were saying we're going to get arrested. it was a remarkable thing to look back then to now see where we are today. it is pretty humbling.

>> stephanie: every time i see you, i go from gay to questioning. [ laughter ] but i thought also good timing having you on today. u.s. supreme court asked to hear prop 8 case. >> it is good and bad. in one way if they didn't want to hear the case then obviously the lower court's decision would stand and we would repeal prop 8 but now the exciting prospect, march to the supreme court doma coming on its own as well and potentially having adjudication to deal with this once and for all. it is not from my humble perspective is not a states' rights issue. i still think some democrats are running the 90-yard dash on this. we would never have done that on interracial marriage. we wouldn't do that in terms of racial justice. we've got a little bit of work to do. >> stephanie: what everybody has said about that, since when do we put minority rights to a vote? >> 1967, i'll repeat this.

in 1967 when the famous loving versus state allowed blacks to marry whites, 70% of americans opposed interracial marriage. if we had submitted the rights of minorities to marry -- we would still, in many cases i think today there would still be some states that would be outliers. >> stephanie: we talked to cenk. in some southern states, there was polling done, one of the questions do you support interracial marriage. >> interracial marriage. >> that is being asked today. >> you see polling on interracial dating. it is scary and shocking. >> 20% of people said no. they don't support it. even today. even today. >> stephanie: ted boutros said this case is about the equal rights guaranteed to all americans by our constitution because two federal courts have already concluded prop 8 is unconstitutional. gay and lesbians shouldn't have to wait longer to marry the person they love. we represent it presents issues

of national significance. we're ready to defend our victories before the supreme court. i feel even with this supreme court, i feel hopeful. what about you? no? >> on the book tour, a little nervous. sometimes you don't want to know too much about some of these folks. you know, i am, as well. we now after obviously the supreme court decision on healthcare may need to reevaluate slightly. only slightly. the prospect that not everything is a 5-4 decision as we expect or believe it to be. kennedy will be the key vote here. >> stephanie: we collided getting to kennedy. he's supposed to be the swing vote. >> based on his previous decisions, and previous majority decisions, there is every indication for those that are optimistic to maintain their optimism with kennedy. so i think we're in -- especially on this case in particular california's right prop 8.

it is the larger question when doma and the rest of these cases work their way up the supreme court, the larger question along the lines of the landmark case loving versus state of virginia. >> stephanie: i keep feeling like a kid in the backseat of california are we there yet? when can we get married? >> the whole thing we're still having the debates is an -- let people live their lives out loud. let's focus on the things we need to focus on and obviously that list is -- >> stephanie: i agree with you, gavin. that's part of why they've been so successful legally is because it's created a legal miss, hasn't it? the legal mess we created here in california where you -- we took a right away from someone who already had it. left thousands of people in legal limbo. with states' rights, you're going to have this patchwork of it is legal here but if you go here, it's not. >> that's the cogent argument they're making in this case. two of the best lawyers not just ted. you have david that are

superstars the bush v. gore folks. if you could put a dream team together to come together on an issue, these are the two. that said, you're 100% right. people forget this. we took a right that was already established away from people. and there's nothing -- in california you could do a constitutional amendment with a simple majority of votes. so it wasn't just changing law. we changed the constitution. we wrote discrimination into the constitution. said it was nice that you had something but now you're no longer going to have it based upon the majority. >> shouldn't it be harder to change the constitution of the state of california? >> yes. until after we fix prop -- >> well, yes exactly. >> tongue in cheek. that's the argument because there are some things you want to -- you want to make it easy to change. some things you don't. it is where's that fine line. >> it floored me that the constitution was able to be changed with just a simple majority vote. >> i don't think people -- i think the overwhelming majority of people, they didn't even know they were changing the

constitution. >> stephanie: yeah. can't you call it something else? a lot of decent people said i'm not recalling -- you have civil unions. marriage is between a man and a woman. but not realizing that the governor can't change it. the legislature can't change it and the courts in california can't change it. the three branches of government. still on capitol hill, democracy as we knew it. all three are irrelevant now. only the people and now the u.s. supreme court that can make the determination. >> stephanie: i'm so happy the president followed your lead in terms of leading because the polls have been astounding in terms of -- in terms of any civil rights, gavin don't you think, the polling -- astonishingly moved in a -- >> you saw the trajectory on interracial marriage in 1949 to 1967 and again i gave you the polling in 1967. this is moving at a rate and clip none of us could have conceived. people can criticize it. to say is not to do. what are you going to back up the words.

it was an extraordinary moment. you saw and i'm not -- i'm one of the worst poll driven politicians because i tend to be oftentimes on the wrong side of things i'm advocating. >> stephanie: that's what im's doing. >> not that i don't care about what people think. people appointed me or elected me for my judgment. they have an opportunity to remove me if they didn't like the judgment exercise. you've seen the polling with the african-american community. once the president said those words, there is power in words. remarkable power. and the numbers went through the roof. extraordinary thing. >> stephanie: they're saying it is a personal thing. more and more people realize that sister or brother or neighbor or lawyer or whatever, you know, i think in terms of civil rights, as they say black people, they didn't have to tell someone else they were black. so i mean what a time. what a time to be us. i think it is astounding you're working with governor brown who was governor -- wasn't he the youngest governor and now he's

the oldest governor? >> i give him a hard time. i have a picture of him when i was 6 years old on his desk giving me a lollipop. more things change, the more they stay the same. he's hardened by his experience. not just only two term governor but attorney general former mayor. so there is a pragmatism around 2.0. >> stephanie: best enforcement he got was from meg whitman when she said i want business to be when i started here. when jerry brown was governor the first time? like that again? >> well-done. that didn't go so well, did it? >> stephanie: when we come back from the break governor, lieutenant-governor, i want to ask you about -- >> you keep making slips of the tongue. don't feel the need to always correct yourself. >> stephanie: i'm getting ahead of myself. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: when we come back, we'll talk about citizens united and the super pacs because meg whitman we all got

a bag of cash personally on our doorstep and she still didn't win. we'll talk about all of that as we continue with lieutenant-governor and current television host, gavin newsom. it is "the stephanie miller show." >> what the hell was that? >> it's "the stephanie miller show."

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hilton. >> stephanie: don't you feel like we're doing olympic commentary? >> we're back. michael phelps. >> stephanie: i have a cessna landing at the van nuys airport hold on a minute. >> roger two niner seven, are you cleared for -- >> stephanie: lieutenant-governor, gavin newsom with us who has the fabulous show here on current television. 8:00 p.m. on friday nights. >> i know. i want you out and about on friday nights. i want you home watching tv. >> stephanie: lieutenant-governorring as we say. >> it is fun to be on the inside with a tv show. they took a little risk. >> stephanie: your inside analyst side. >> you can actually -- it is frustrating at times when you want to see something change and then you go wait a second, maybe i can -- do something. >> you have awesome people on your show by the way. >> i've been lucky. first of all being up in northern california, silicon valley area, we're able to get a lot of folks that don't necessarily always end up on the big national shows. guy like sergey brin and his

wife who did 23 and me and they come on with the google glasses. this is fun. because they're nearby and they want to drop in and so it is smart for current to have that distribution new york, l.a., san francisco. not many networks do that. >> stephanie: we're all over the place. we were talking about speaking of lieutenant-governorring, we were talking about meg whitman and her giant bags of cash. tried to buy the election with. is it going to matter? after citizens united, romney is going to have a lot of cash, a lot of super pacs. >> certain point right. you saw that with whitman. at a certain point enough is enough. we know her. stop. >> stephanie: the commercials were annoying. >> you can imagine out here in california, we don't get a lot of the commercials, whatever the commercials are because i haven't honestly seen a lot. the swing states, i imagine at this point, people are like -- 24/7 diminishing returns. >> stephanie: fortunately mitt romney is to naturally

likable. [ laughter ] >> how do i describe your face? [ laughter ] >> stephanie: how are you feeling about this election? we keep saying -- >> i'm more optimistic. polls to me look pretty good. that's what matters. we get so consumed by the national polls. places like california. the national polls may be important but at the end of the day, the swing states in swing counties in these sort of metro areas which are in critical areas. in those areas it seems the president is still holding a good lead outside of the margin of error. whatever he's doing he's doing right at this stage of the campaign. i think if romney doesn't step it up a gear, he doesn't seem like he's that person, there is a risk here. it plays in the margins. he plays it safe. >> he's more the step in it kind of guy. >> stephanie: that was spectacular. >> you can't make things like that up. >> stephanie: what's so spectacular about it is he's so

cautious. so those are the kind of gaffes you make being cautious. you can only imagine if someone tells him to loosen up a little bit. i can't wait for the debates can you? >> no. we'll see. we sometimes overstate the importance of debates but in this case, i don't think you can understate the three debates in a race that's still this close. >> stephanie: right. don't you think -- i don't know -- but don't you think he's going to have to release tax returns? >> very personal for me. i had no choice but to release five years to run for mayor of san francisco. the whole idea, you're running for president of the united states with a quote-unquote business background and a business background that you're allegedly running on and not provide people the opportunity to see what that represents or what it is represented. >> stephanie: three years of your returns just to have you on the show. >> lawyers are working to -- we'll allow you ten minutes in a private room. you won't be able to photocopy

them. look, i think this is completely fair game. i don't think it is unfair at all. you can talk about his father, everything else. the guy is running with a business background and a business background as he won't release his taxes. seriously, it begs the question what the heck are you hiding? if you are hiding something if that's the prelim for the kind of president you'll be in terms of transparency, openness and accountability, it is an ominous sign. >> stephanie: did you see harry reid stirring it up. he talked to a bain investor who said romney didn't pay any tax at all for ten years. >> yeah. it was interesting. when i hear some of that on the other side, i sometimes get a little bit nervous. show me the proof. but for -- who is reasonably cautious on these things, it got some attention for good reason because it was a surprise to all people he said what he said. maybe that's the case. the point is -- >> stephanie: harry reid is normally a wild man.

i think the bain stuff is important if you're running as a businessman. >> i'm a businessperson. i have a little shy of 1,000 employees. i have 17 businesses. i don't want to overstate but i know a thing or two about job creation. places like bain are wealth creators. you invest in bain not because of the number of people they're going to hire. it is what the return is on the investment. the number one cost factor of a business is people. one place you want to go to reduce those costs and increase your profits is reducing your work force not increasing it. bain was not in the business of job creation. they were in the business of wealth creation. you cannot assert with respect mitt romney that he was a job creator. simply wasn't. the facts bear that out. >> stephanie: you know, i also think what's playing out in congress, i think jay carney said it, clearly the republicans are the ones that will not pass a jobs bill. they've passed how many other ridiculous bills that do

nothing. they will not pass the president's jobs bill. >> didn't you feel better about the repeal bill on healthcare? >> stephanie: the 33rd time was -- [ laughter ] >> the 17th time. >> stephanie: that was special. >> that was particularly special. >> stephanie: gavin newsom, as much as i love your show here on current, i have a plan for you it involves governor of california and then we'll get to president. >> work on his memoirs. i'm trying to get him a huge book advance. he has so much to say. >> stephanie: we have a plan for you. gavin newsom show here fridays at 8:00 p.m. pacific time on current television. he's off to lieutenant govern now. >> thanks for having me. >> stephanie: right back with governor spitzer on "the stephanie miller show."

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[ ♪ music ♪ ] >> announcer: stephanie miller. >> we were actually looking for a cheap miller but you're a sexy little trash, the second you started shaking the guys would >> stephanie: it is "the stephanie miller show" live from the beverly hilton where we're at the television critics association. how do you think we're doing? they seem to have gone from openly hostile to -- generally -- >> general sense of -- >> stephanie: i think that's pretty good. >> not bad. >> nothing being thrown at us. >> stephanie: no projectiles nothing. all right. we -- wow, it is like the governor hour. this is so exciting. >> it is. >> stephanie: superstar governors and hosts here on current television. one of them joins us now, it is governor eliot spitzer of the great state of new york. good morning sir. >> good morning. i'm glad to hear nothing has been thrown at you yet.

>> stephanie: i don't know how you got out of being here live, sir. >> i knew you had an audience in front of you that could throw stuff at you i said forget it. >> stephanie: you are of course in new york holding down the fort. i gotta say you're doing an amazing job on the libor stuff because this is your area of expertise. >> eliot: manipulating markets? >> stephanie: that's what i meant. you manipulating markets. no. the way you're able to -- address those issues in a way that nobody else can. it must just kill you that romney is over there raising money with the same people that were involved in the libor stuff, right? >> eliot: that's just brilliant politics. they made money manipulating the market. they have to do something with it, why not give it to the guy who knows how to put it in a swiss bank account or over in the cayman islands. mitt will invest it well for them. >> stephanie: remember when his spokesperson said he doesn't get any tax benefit by having his money in the cayman islands or bermuda or switzerland.

>> the money is just getting a suntan. >> stephanie: his money is on vacation. >> eliot: then why does he do it? this tax issue and harry reid yesterday saying he got a call at his office from someone who claimed to be a bain investor saying that mitt romney had not paid taxes for ten years. if true, obviously sort of a nuclear explosion in the campaign. we'll have to see where that goes. but the tax issue, i don't think disappears anywhere, any time soon and if you look at the poll numbers in terms of how the public views mitt romney, you get the sense that it is beginning to have a significant effect on how he is view and whether people can empathize with him which is an important issue in a political race. >> stephanie: there is so much speculation about what's in the taxes. i'm getting the sense that he's not going to release them because there is something that's worse in there than you know than not releasing them. >> eliot: i have no idea if he will or will not release them.

if he doesn't until the day of the election, he will be dogged by the question why not? and that, it seems to me is something that certainly the calculus his campaign advisers saying if you release them, you have 48 hours of ugliness because of the low numbers but at least they're done. the fact that he them leads us to keep asking what is in there? >> stephanie: at least his foreign trip went very well. >> eliot: oh yes, that was a paradigm of one's entry into the diplomatic world. showing the american public he can make friends and influence people wherever he goes. it is mystifying, it was a gaffe a country and hard to figure out. >> stephanie: well yeah, the president's spokesman said it seemed clear it is a bunch of fund-raisers and photo ops. we're not sure he's prepared to be commander in chief. ya think? >> eliot: the other contrast, of course, is the amazing one between barack obama's trip to europe in '08 when hundreds,

literally hundreds of thousands of people showed up to hear him at the brandenburg gate and were enraptured by the eloquence of his articulation of what the world should look like and then mitt romney going over there and having a few coffees where even in that context, where it is easy just to be cordial and affable, he couldn't pull that off. that contrast i think will sort of resonate between now and november. >> stephanie: the thing is though governor, it was so bad that you have to wonder was he doing it on purpose? because you know how the right wing likes to -- anything foreign is bad. and the president apologizes too much and all of the other lies. is that playing to his right wing base or something? >> eliot: i might have thought that as it related to the comment in the middle east about cultural differences leading to economic differences. not though when you're sitting down in england talking about the olympics. that was just such a jarring

moment where you're the guest. you're -- the day before the olympics begin people want something happy ebullient cordial. instead, he was just such a downer. you know, they're manipulative on the other side. they play mind games like that very well. this just seemed like sometimes stuff happens that you just wish didn't happen. >> stephanie: yes. can you explain to me by the way speaking of the olympics, how is it that mitt romney saves the olympics with government money and he's a businessman hero and the president saves the auto industry with government money and he's a kenyan socialist? >> eliot: you're not looking for consistency in political views now. let me pick up on what you said at the beginning about he saved the olympics with government money. people have not focused on that fact and wayne barrett and others have written extensively about the fact that $1.5 billion of government money poured into the salt lake city olympics. this notion he's a maestro of

creativity without -- didn't somebody say once you didn't build that? to come back to the famous statement now that's at the center of so much discourse the government made it possible for him to do that. you're exactly right. not surprisingly, there is a complete lark -- lack of logic in the mythology and lack of consistency in their argument. >> stephanie: you must be on the edge of your seat. i'm sure you've gotten the free app as to who mitt romney is going to choose as his v.p. >> eliot: i hate to admit this. i'm not as good with these app things as i should be. i'm 53 but i'm sure one of my kids has the app. >> stephanie: obviously it sounds like the front-runners are pawlenty and portman. is it going to matter? >> eliot: it matters for 48 hours in the news cycle. it matters i think that sarah palin, even cheney says wasn't a good choice in terms of the -- yes, it matters. i was wondering yesterday after mayor castro was announced as

the keynote speaker of the democratic convention, does that make marco rubio contender because clearly the republicans are going to have to do something to move toward immigrant latino voters and a whole demographic there where they're not doing so well. yes, it matters. portman is well-thought-of. serious, solid guy. tim pawlenty, likewise on the excitement meter they make mitt romney look pretty good. i'm trying to be polite about this. i don't think any one of them is viewed as dynamo on the campaign trail or in terms of speaking or in terms of any other metric but that's okay. sometimes boring is good. >> stephanie: everybody keeps coming back to this is going to be about the economy. >> eliot: right. >> stephanie: we were just talking about it. how many bills that -- take a listen. this is jay carney. talking about the fact that they will not pass the president's jobs bill.

>> the president is not satisfied with where the economy is. he knows that the american people by in large are not satisfied with where the economy is. that's why he is doing everything he can and he's urging congress to do everything it can to take action to help the economy grow faster and to help it create more jobs. >> stephanie: doesn't that help him politically that this congress has become this -- this republican congress of course is becoming more and more seen as the obstructionists that they are. >> eliot: look, the president will be running as he should against congress whose entire economic agenda is to repeal healthcare reform and lower taxes for people who have already had their taxes lowered sequentially almost every year for the past couple of years. none of that makes sense. and mitt romney has not suggested a single creative idea when it comes to economics. he's just saying let repeat the past because it worked so poorly, let's do it again.

the question is will the economic data between now and october be frankly so bad that the president will be looked at and blamed for it even though he's trying to do the right thing. there's no alternative that's been proposed on the other side. there's no affirmative argument being presented by the republicans. just a question of whether things -- right now the trend line is not good. we have to be honest about that. if the job numbers on friday aren't encouraging, it is going to be a tight race. the adp number, i hate to bore with you economic number, the adp number which comes out two days before the official job number had private sector jobs of 163,000 not a good number but not horrific. who knows where things trend. >> stephanie: you're like rainman on economic numbers my friend. >> eliot: i just make them up. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: you gotta look at his economic advisors the same as for bush and his foreign policy advisors, you think oh, my god really like bush only worse, right doubling down.

>> eliot: doubling down then you switch over to the foreign policy arena same thing. it's gee the iraq war turned out so well and the predicate for that was so good, let's do that over again. >> stephanie: more faction cuts -- more tax cuts for the rich. wonderful. "viewpoint" airs at 8:00 p.m. with eliot spitzer. >> hope they're not throwing anything at you. >> stephanie: not yet. all right. it is 44 minutes after the hour. we continue our parade of governors with governor jennifer granholm next right here on "the stephanie miller show." >> oh, come on! you gotta admit this is cool! >> announcer: it's "the stephanie miller show." ♪ made you look that sane ♪ it seems that bobby jean ♪ in the wind ♪ never knowing

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>> announcer: stephanie miller . [ ♪ music ♪ ] >> stephanie: it is "the stephanie miller show." final segment live at the television critics live at the beverly hilton. we're closing with the superstar, the headliner. >> whatever! you say that to all of your guests. >> stephanie: here she is. this is what i love about working at current with the governor, i got an e-mail the other day because i normally wear my baseball hat becausegy to spinning after the show. i had to wear girl clothes grump. >> jennifer: you are wearing some girl clothes. i get an e-mail that says the governor loves your detroit hat. >> stephanie: she was governor of michigan can't someone get

her a detroit hat. >> jennifer: i wasn't asking for the hat. i was saying go girl, wear that hat proudly! absolutely. >> stephanie: i thought you would love this. this whole -- lech walesa endorsed romney. of course polish solidarity distanced themselves from romney. >> the union and all. >> stephanie: we're informed by our friends from the american headquarters of afl-cio which represents more than 12 million employees of romney's attacks on trade unions and employee's rights. they were not involved in bringing romney there. >> jennifer: why did he go to poland to begin with? obviously he must have gotten some heads up that lech walesa was going to be supportive of him. but you know, solidarity immediately takes the wind out of the sails by saying heck, no, we're not going anywhere near this guy because he supports policies that are anti-worker anti-labor. and then of course, that whole trip as you guys had been talking about was just a delight

for us to comment on, the gift that keeps on giving. in fact, yesterday did you talk about this already the comment that he made about the palestinians is one thing. then he comes back on fox news and said i didn't say anything about culture and last night he writes an article for the national review taking that back and i had on my show last night michael tomasky who had wrote the article about him being a wimp on the cover of "newsweek" and i said to michael you know, have you gotten a lot of flak because of that picture on there. he said with all of the stuff that's happened even since monday it reinforces the fact that romney is outsourcing essentially, his foreign policy to the folks on the very right the pandering notion and that palestinian thing is just another example of it. so the trip was of questionable value. >> stephanie: you know, i just thought it was -- interestingly

because i know you've talked about this a lot. you talk about unions when you talk about romney taking credit for the auto rescue. you were there. >> jennifer: so unbelievably outrageous and so unbelievably insulting to people in michigan. there is a new poll out today in michigan which has obama significantly up by 7 points or so. because people see that you cannot come into a state and insult their intelligence by saying first of all that -- taking credit for the bailout on the one hand and the another example of his flip-flopping saying let detroit go bankrupt. he's got an ad out today romney does now criticizing president obama for the closure of dealerships in the auto -- because of the auto rescue. of course, there had to be some downsizing and streamlining. constantly talking out of both sides of his mouth. >> stephanie: if flip-flopping were an olympic sport --

>> jennifer: he doesn't need anymore gold. a little round thing of gold. >> stephanie: don't you love that we're like the little current dressage ponies in front of the tv critics association. >> jennifer: no one in the stands is watching. >> stephanie: no. exactly. well, i mean governor, there's been so much going on in terms of this campaign. i mean we were just saying this trip, it is hard to even fathom it going any worse. but it is a beautiful thing isn't it? >> jennifer: i hope he goes back, i was torn about saying mitt, come home for the sake of the country but on the other hand for the sake of the country maybe you should stay over and continue this tour that is so abysmal. i don't know if you saw his people were spinning what a great success the trip was. >> stephanie: yes. >> jennifer: there's no way. >> stephanie: they said i think we can all agree on that. >> jennifer: yeah, we can all agree it was a great trip for president obama.

>> stephanie: we started the show. do you ever see a text from hillary? one of her texting romney going i just revoked your passport. get your ass home before you start world war iii. [ laughter ] >> jennifer: that is excellent. >> if only that could be true. >> jennifer: you know what's funny though, when you go on these overseas trips and as former governor, do you this. they prepare you so well. you go over on these overseas trips and they give you five binders of what you can say what you can't say who you will be meeting with, the names of everyone. you get grilled. as a presidential candidate they've been planning this trip forever. he should know every detail about what is sensitive what's not sensitive. stay away from this. you don't want to create an international headline on this. and could he have hot buttoned anymore? >> stephanie: he mentioned the secret intelligence service he's not supposed to mention and then

the leader he met with, this is leader guy. >> jennifer: interesting thing about this, stephanie is i think his campaign is very well prepared right? it is a well-oiled machine so it has to be the candidate himself that is just stepping in it for other purposes. and when he stepped in it at the start of the olympics, it was because he wanted to show how much he knew about olympics, right? that whole thing about of course -- >> i like sport. >> stephanie: when he scripts himself, governor, i'll have jim read it. this is an actual mitt romney quote. this is the kind of thing he says. >> i believe in an america where millions of americans believe in an america that's the america millions of americans believe in. that's the america i love. he said that. >> jennifer: he did not say that. >> he did say that. >> stephanie: hand that to the governor. >> jennifer: when did he say that? actual quote. >> underline it is an actual quote. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: wait, that was george bush. >> jennifer: he does have a --

there's a whole spine -- >> i think he needs 50 binders of things he's not supposed to say. maybe 100. >> jennifer: i was reading this one today. when eight obama care regulations go into effect, 47 million women will benefit from the guaranteed coverage of preventative services of birth control including co-pays. >> i'm against that. >> stephanie: we talked about this. as the actual benefits of this law have kicked in, i mean i think that's also going to help. republicans, absolutely have had a war against women. >> jennifer: you have to take a look at what they've been saying on the floor of the house and senate just this week. this whole violence against women act the effort -- the lack of re-authorization, the whole debate again about contraception. >> stephanie: feel like you woke up in 1952? >> jennifer: honestly. i don't get it. i think it is so interesting

the war on women the war on the poor the war on minorities, all of that and then you've got this election of ted cruz which really, to me -- >> stephanie: the tea party guy. >> jennifer: the tea party guy in texas which i think opens up a huge opportunity for democrats and progressives to say to those moderate republicans come on over and join the democrats because what they're doing the tea party is they're so squashing the parameters of the republican party that they are going to become quickly a fast minority sinking party that you know, the democrats should not lose the opportunity to say moderates come on over. >> stephanie: people said that from the beginning governor. they were like the tea party is scary. i've always said it is a good thing. they're pushing the republican party to the lunatic right fringe. >> jennifer: absolutely. look at my dad who is a republican. i know yours was also. >> stephanie: one of the

critics has goldwater buttons on. i don't know if it is good news or bad news for me. >> jennifer: my dad you know, he's a fiscal conservative but he's socially like leave people alone. he's throwing up his hands. he's not the only one. >> stephanie: absolutely. governor granholm, we love your show, "the war room" at 9:00 p.m. eastern time. >> jennifer: for you political junkies, watch the whole spectrum of current. >> stephanie: you don't have to be a political junky. you're multicolored whatever. you're just a multicolor wonderful. you're a rainbow of wonderful. thank you, governor. >> jennifer: thank you, guys so much. >> stephanie: thank you, critics. no please, please, sit down, please. no standing ovation. it is fine. we'll see you tomorrow.?ñ