has been fortold! ♪ thanks for joining us in "the war room." have a great night, a wonderful weekend, we'll see you back here monday night. ♪ [ ♪ theme music ♪ ] >> gavin: hello, and thanks for watching the show. with 81 days before the november 6th election there are incredibly important issues you need to know about but we don't often hear about. homelessness. homelessness in this country should be code red for all of us. this is not just a moral issue but an economic one. it can cost taxpayers up to

$1,160,000 year. we're here with some solutions. then the economies jobs and immigration. politicians talk about fighting illegal immigration. but what about fighting to keep our educated talent from fleeing our borders. finally, meet the mayor's wife, connie nelson. she core stars with kelsey grammer's program "boss." from fiction to fact, the grim reality of america's homeless and what to do about it. here is phil migano. it's fabulous having you on. we're old friends truth be told. you worked under george bush and you find your way to san francisco with a democratic mayor. you directed me with a ten-year plan with chronic homeless. i wasn't the only one. you did this for hundreds of

mayors and county executives across this country and your impact was profound. i'm grateful that you took the time to be on the show. i don't think many people have had more impact in this decade on this issue than you have. i'm really honored to have you. >> thank you so much. >> gavin: i'll never forget early in my life, i remember it was 1984-85 listening to ronald reaganen saying people choose to be out there. we can't help people who won't help themselves. is that true? that people could possibly choose-- >> it's a widely held stereotype. my experience speaking to homeless people across the world, again when you ask the customer what they want, they say they want a place to live. they want to go into housing. but what we did for years was we offered people everything but

the one thing they wanted because we didn't check in with them. we didn't ask the customer if they wanted it. we offered them shelter mental health treatment which could mean an electric shock. we offered them a myriad of options, and they all humanly rejected. what they reported to the quote/unquote outreach workers was we don't want any of those. >> gavin: the report. >> the report back, i offered them everything. they don't want it. they prefer to be out there. it's a lifestyle choice. if i only had a dime ever time i heard that. as soon as we began talking to homeless people, what they really wanted was a place to live, and creating that place to live, and literally going out with a key. you did it more than any other mayor in the country developed thousands of you wants of housing here in san francisco. and what you learned as a mayor and what the city learned was when you offer people what they

want--when you create the product--you talk to the customer, ask what they want. create that product and bring it back to the customer. shockingly they want what they indicated. you moved thousands of people off the streets here in san francisco into permanent housing with the support services that they needed. that same innovative idea is at work literally across our country from 2005 to 2009 more than 50,000 americans who had been languishing on the streets of our country moved off those streets and into housing in about 87% of them are still there. so when you give people what they want, the customer what they want, you got to the basic business principle they'll go and they'll stay. >> gavin: the purpose was to connect dots to coordinate efforts. >> to bring the 20 federal agencies together in washington, and make their work a little less redundant and to rally the

resources. one thing i will say in the bush administration. eight consecutive years of resources from $2 billion to 5 opinionated, but you cannot solve the problem of homelessness inside the beltway. people have tried to do it, but you can't do. you have to solve it locally. several mayors whether its bloomberg or john hickenlooper in denver or any other mayor. we ended up working with a thousand mayors and county executives around the country. >> gavin: what distinguished your tenure and distinguished the efforts during those years is we decided to get more--and i know people immediately recoiled being business-like. in this respect data driven, not anecdotal. we look at homelessness to expand humanitarianism you

brought a pragmatic approach. >> we looked at homelessness through a social service lens. of course you wonder how can we services them. we rolled up our sleeves and we serviced homeless people the best we could. we shifted that lens. we shifted from a social service lens to a business lens. when you look through the business lens you say how can i solve that problem. just bringing together basic principles, you need to have a baseline to understand the magnitude of the problem. benchmarks that remedy what the baselines reveal. best practices you want to know what the best practices are. why should something that is working in philadelphia take four years to get to denver? that's crazy. we took your program homeless

connect. and within two years of you sanctioning, of course we got your blessed permission, we had 250 cities literally around the world, and they're still doing homeless connect. and then the fourth deed because these are the killer bees, bench line best practices and budget consideration. the big business principle was doing cost studies and cost benefit analysis where we demonstrateed 70 cost benefit analysis that was more expensive for homeless people to randomly ricochet throughout the community and to the emergency rooms and law enforcement courts, and incarceration. that random ricocheting was more expensive than solving the problems. we found that the range of expenses. that random ricocheting in cities 35 to $150,000 to

maintain homelessness. when we did the intervention of housing, that was $12,000 to $25,000 to house people and their homelessness and provide the support services. needless to say you don't need to be warren buffet or suzy orman to figure out-- >> gavin: we had the connection to detox facilities outpatient drug treatment programs, emergency rooms incarceration and you cite 70 studies, but i remember some of the time the study in san diego that followed just 15 people over the course of 18 months and determined a number of $133,000 a year to service their sleep as opposed to solve their homeless. >> your memory is exactly on target. that was the study done in 1999 and 2000 in san diego.

more mayors were converted because finally the language of homelessness spoke in the vernacular of elected officials and of the business community. one thing i learned in visiting, i think literally hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of neighborhoods around the country. >> gavin: yeah. >> as soon as you walk into their office, all partisanship was left outside of the door. you went and talked to the mayors, it was about one thing solving problems. when you brought solution, whether it was housing first or act on the streets to engage people rather than enabling them to stay out and a variety of other ideas that was a language that mayors could understand. they wanted to know not only how to be empathetic or have a social service response, but how to solve the problem. that whole business approach was bringing solutions to bear on the problem. >> gavin: your focus was this,

focus on housing. solve the housing issue and then deal with the underlying reasons reasons, the behavioral health or the drug and alcohol or dual diagnosis. is that what you continue espouse in your new role to abolish homelessness. >> absolutely. back in those years you may remember instrumental to the plan. jim collins wrote "good to great." and clay christensen wrote "the invadetheinnovator solution." >> gavin: this goes to the uniqueness of you're approach.

>> it's the dissipating resources across the breadth of the social problem and redefining the status quo that wasn't working. when i asked homeless people all around the country what they wanted. they never asked for a pill, program or protocol. they asked for a police to live. so we started housing and because that works, of course i continue to support that. >> gavin: where are we today in this narrative. you left 100 days or so in the obama administration. honest, that was difficult to keep a bush administration appointee? >> i think they wanted their own team. >> gavin: again, the partisanship even on this, despite the performance that said where are we on the trajectory? a how has the obama administration done advancing some of the principles you laid out. you were hardly exclusive to

chronic, but to families, children, and those on the verge of homelessness and foesing on prevention. >> as with every report card there are some really good things and not so good things. no question the president's emphasis along with the secretary of veteran affairs veterans which is sustained some of the initiatives that we created in the previous administration, and focusing homeless veterans. that's a very good one. setting a five-year goal of ending veteran's homelessness. that's very good. a lot of political will there and the president is supporting that. >> gavin: he's passionate. i've met him on a number of occasions. he is he this is not an academic forum. >> he's the real thing and he is just frustrated that they are not moving fast enough. >> gavin: are we going to see in our lifetime the end and abolishness of homelessness or is it still a dream.

>> i don't want to leave this earth until i see back to the future in homelessness. when i was growing up, it was a word that was never spoken. we never spoke about homelessness. we can get back to where it's a rare condition that someone falls in and we get them out immediately. that's the intent in the country right now. >> gavin: a wonderful way to end. thanks so much for being on the show. >> thanks for having me. it's great to see you again. >> gavin: i like that kind of optimism but my next guest has a warning. higher education is at risk. politicians have gone astray and the best talent is joining the competition. coming up this election year how to get the economy back on track, create more jobs and bring manufacturing back to america. do you share the sense of outrage that they're doing this, this corruption based on corruption based on corruption. >>i think that's an understatement, eliot. u>> i'm not prone tot.

understatement, so explain to me why that is. i think the mob learned from wall st., not vice versa. of sununu, you're wrong. mitt romney, you're wrong. we need more teachers, not fewer teachers and more cops and more firefighters that support our

barack was having to work out the fact that people react to him based on his racial makeup. as barack obama seeks his second term we go back to see the people and events that shaped the life of the man who would become president. "becoming barack" followed by.. is america ready for a mormon president? between him and obama i wouldn't vote. mormonism is a cult. current tv explores the world's fastest growing religion. "becoming barack" followed by "the mormon candidate" >> gavin: he speaks his mind and that often gets him in trouble. the esteemed leader, write writer

and entrepreneur. most of us could certainly benefit from learning beyond a high school level. we must continue to try to make higher education accessible to those who want it. but first let's talk about jobs. welcome to the show. what is the solution to the jobs crisis in creating innovative ecosystem to create an economy not only in california but the country moving again and around the world. >> i want them to come out to silicon valley and see how this place it. half of the start ups here are founded like people like me, foreign born with weird accents and look different. diversity, it's this clash of cultures that makes this place what it is. then add to it the attitude of tolerance, of opens of

acceptance of change, acceptance of failure is one of the most important ingredients in this soup. we accept things. we allow people to fail. we allow people to experiment and we allow people to be different. when you put these people together we rise above it all. in silicon valley the housing market is booming housing is rising and the rest of the nation is in a slump. you have new ideas new innovations happening over here. we try to say hey look at silicon valley. there was government funding here 80 years ago. then you had stanford and then you have venture capital. if we do the same, if we take the research at university and throw capital maybe we would get innovation. wrong. venture capitalist is not needed any more. it isn't venture capital that

has made silicon valley what it is. it's the people who made it what it is. >> gavin: so let's translate this. in a public policy arena. what should elected leaders be doing? what are the ingredients to have that focus to create that entrepreneur energy. >> i was asked the same thing in chile. i was invited to go over there. they were doing the same things and they spent hundreds of millions of dollars and nothing to show for it. then they set up an outsourcing class to be like india. i went in there and i said, you'll never explain in succeed in this. when i disappointed my host, the economic minister asked me, and he had one of his fellows here at stanford said, what should we do? i said, let's try something

different. let's focus on the people. we looked at the local ecosystem. they were not entrepreneur. they were like most of america. fear of failure. i said let's take advantage of america's stupidity. because of its flawed immigration policies, immigrant entrepreneurs are leaving america. the entrepreneurs are moving abroad. let's capture them. get a couple hundred of them to come down to chile to start their companies here. it took them by surprise, but they thought about it and said, let's experiment. they gave a million dollars to bring in 25 entrepreneur. that's the most that they could justify without it becoming an issue. they were flooded by explanations half from the united states. within six months these he weres started meeting the locals, and

going to schools an recruiting from there and the magic happened. >> gavin: how did they recruit them? what was the incentive to get them there. >> $40,000. who is going to go to chile the bottom of the world basically otherwise. i said, you have to offer them a bribe. it's not like everyone in the world will take their life savings to try to come here. you have to bribe people to come here. they did that. they offered them free office space and other perks. they gave them $40,000 associated with the company. the condition live here in six months. it was such a huge success, they have 200 companies over here. and this is round three. it's become a source of pride. and they're booming in santiago. it feels like silicon valley. you could be sitting there.

when it's summer here it's winter over there. when it's winter here go down to santiago and you'll feel like you're home. >> gavin: h-1 visas. in the democratic party we wax on about the importance we should stamp visas on the backs of everyone who graduates and the institutions of hiring, we talk a lot about this, but we aren't solving it. what is the disconnect? >> gavin: the republicans are more immigrant friendly to skilled workers than democrats. >> gavin: in what way? because i don't i know republicans and open immigration. >> our president talks about the importance of immigrants. we want the masters and ph.d holders, we want the job creators. >> gavin: so that's over, we agree. >> you also have the undocumented workers. that's equally important. the sad thing is, my heart

bleeds for these undocumented workers. they're good people but they're going to be five years from now because they have nowhere to go. the skilled workers will be long gone because they're not going to put up with it. they can make fantastic salaries insalariesin their home countries and success than they can find over here. they'll be long gone. once we go through this political poison and address this problem. >> gavin: this is code red. i couldn't agree more. we always got first-round draft choices, now we're putting at risk the capacity to do both because we put sand in the gears of higher education by defunding and then we have this debt that has to be serviced by folks coming out of college. and it's not just chile. you've got singapore opening up the red carpet. i reading is that you wrote about canada, australia.

>> they want to be like us. they want to rule over silicon valley like you do. >> gavin: silicon valley, did you know that innovations coming directly out of the bay area are likely to make manufacturing in china more expensive than here at home. that's why we'll talk about china is no longer cheap right after the break. with gavin at politicallydirect.com, a direct line to the gavin newsom show. >>focus on the folks that are making a difference, that are not just dreamers, but doers. >>(narrator) join the conversation.

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competitive abroad. is it the end of cheap china? is manufacturing coming back to the united states? >> absolutely. chinese manufacturing will suffer the next hollowing out over the next decade that the u.s. experienced the back two decades. >> gavin: because the costs are rising on the coast. >> yes the costs are rising. the companies have had enough of having intellectual properties stolen right from under them. fixing the rigged currency and then the shipping cost versus has risen. what will kill china is robot i cans nano and a host of technologies. the world's greatest technology

company is located in fremont california. tessla. it's a car manufacturer. i don't know why people-- >> gavin: electric car. >> electric car manufacturer. they've been manufacturing the most beautiful, marvelous cars produced by anyone anywhere. they're doing it in the most expensive region in the world. silicon valley. the reason why they can do it, they're using technology and robotics to do all the manufacturing. theythey can pick the cream of the crop of engineers to come and work for them because it's a cool company to work for with great benefits. they have the cream of the crop helping them to design these new vehicles and the technology behind it. so they're highly paid. but all the grunt work is done by machines. which means that they can produce the most advance vehicle in the world here in silicon valley. this is the further. this is the future of manufacturing in america.

>> gavin: tessla is an unique design project but let's talk about assembling. you have cities that manufacturing, designed in california assembled in china. i just read and perha point. fox con will replace 1 million robots coming in to replace chinese workers. >> they're expensive and cumbersome. they don't want to work 20 hours a day seven days a week. why not use robots. >> gavin: we can use the same robots here and there is no cost differential. >> the robotics are more expensive in china than they're here. they have to be shipped from here and japan over to china. if you go to some of these do-it-yourself places, you'll find that they've been making

robots. we have a robotics laboratory, and there are a number of players here in silicon valley. they have amazing robotics countries here in silicon valley. the technology is being developed here and that can be applied to do the grunt work. >> gavin: what that means is we're going to be replaced when it comes to that basic work by robots. that was middle class jobs in the past. >> they will be gone. >> gavin: i mean, we're holding on a little bit here and there but where are the jobs in the future going to come from. >> look at what happened to the iphone. the mobile technology between and the apps. half a million people are em employed. 3-d printing. if i can print my own toys you'll need designers.

even with these machines we're talking about, who are going to be making the robots. the robots don't make the robots yet. for the next 20, 30 years we're safe. the people who test, these are not $7 an hour cheap labor workers. they're making $40 and $50 an hour. and the workers at tessla. you're looking at higher-end labor. if we stop educating america we won't have the skilled people to manage our factories. we'll need skilled people. >> gavin: we're talking about productiveity, proving the point and arguing with the information that they provided that productivity didn't at the end of the day displace more jobs than it created. the productivity, because of the retooling of the economy at the end of the day created new jobs. >> that's the advantage that

america has. we can create new jobs and move forward. there are casualties in that some workers do get left out. this is why we need to focus on retraining. you and i totally agree on that. we need to retrain-- >> gavin: reskilling. >> exactly. when a district gets wiped out rather than just providing unemployment we provide retraining scholarships. send them to college and let them learn about more advanced skills and trades so they can do the new jobs which are higher paid. these iphones apps are much higher paid than any other jobs were. >> gavin: yeah. >> so in balance. >> gavin: fill in the blank. innovation works best when government does-- >> least. >> gavin: you're pretty progressive thinker. you're by no means anti-government, but you don't believe in industrial policies government intervention when it comes to job creation. >> because the private

enterprise can do it themselves. don't shackle them. don't try to tell them what to do. you can educate the masses, you can provide them with training, provide them with seed capital and create an environment which is part of entrepreneurship as silicon valley. look at silicon valley. when people come here from abroad. they want to see the creation of silicon valley and then when they tell them it doesn't exist--the all private industry. >> gavin: we should be investing in education infrastructure, open integration, research and development, and appropriate role making and risk taking. >> and then leave them alone. by all means have regulation and ipos and checks, but they'll create the jobs. silicon valley proves it.

silicon valley is booming. even san francisco it's rivalling south bay south bay know. the especially deserve the credit. >> gavin: great way to end. great conversation. thanks for being here. >> thank you. >> gavin: now on a lighter note, what an ex-mayor in san francisco learn from a current fictional mayor of chicago. you'll hear tales of intrigue from tv's first lady of the windy city.

>> gavin: the best known as costarring in the screen hit gladiator. but she's also on the mission to build wells and bring water to the slums of africa. you'll get to know connie nelson as kelsey grammar's fictional

wife "boss." great to have you on the show. >> thanks. >> gavin: "boss" is about a mayor. you play the mayor's wife. i know a thing or two about being mayor. interesting show. >> it's basically the anti-gavin and jennifer newsome couple. kelsey and i are play-- >> gavin: kelsey grammer. you play--i can't say estrange wife because you have a mutual relationship of dependency. >> we're co-dependent happily power hungry people and we're willing to do just about everything to stay in power. it's very interesting because she is the daughter of the former long-time mayor, and so she's kind of the one who is curating that whole brahman cast in chicago.

he's the guy from the wrong side of the tracks who did good and married the mayor's daughter and maybe mayor himself through some nefarious dogs doingings as well. >> so it's fictional. i think it's interesting. it's filmed--you film in chicago. >> yes, we do. >> gavin: it's a fictional mayor of a fictional city that happens to be in chicago. there is the chicago history the daily machine that is played out here. >> i learn so much. it does have a special take on it because its sort of a shakespearian take on politics, so it has the high drama. but many times when i pick up the newspapers there it's not so--it's not so far away. >> gavin: it's more fact than fiction. interesting. what attracts you to playing a political wife. you've done all kinds of movies and well-known for the

gladiator. and i remember back at devil's advocate and a number of tv series, but what was intriguing about this one in particular. >> first of all it was really bright. the writing is really really good. it's beautifully written. even when you act, you look for things that are--if it's easy to say, it means it's really written. when you read it, and it's just sounding in your ear already as if that's something you would say if you were that person in that given situation it makes it really easy to work and great pleasure to say your lines because it makes sense. that's one side of it. the other side is i think politics is just basically fundamentally interesting. you get to see some of the most intriguing parts of being human and how we as a culture or how we as a society, a community decide together, or apart how we live.

i think that's extraordinarily interesting, and showing the more sort of mac machiavellian rights of that is fun for an act. >> cenk: who were the consultant consultants, previous administrations, folks-- >> i'm going to get knocked off if i say something. [ chuckling ] >> gavin: there is a lot of thread of truth. there is a since that the characters are not necessarily corrupt, but they may use corrupt means for the idealistic end. >> i think that a lot of people start out with that, but it's a slippery slope. once you start saying well, this means will justify that end i think the easeiest thing for a human is stick with what you believe in and say i can't go down that slope but that's also the hardest time. maintaining power is part of how you get things done. >> gavin: yes. >> so it's a great conundrum. but when you see people who are

taking chances like, look at you, and i see how you took a chance on gay marriage before anyone anyone even dreamt of doing such a thing. you stepped up and did it. it was probably not the most politically expedient thing for you, but you did it. i think that will probably be written down somewhere. >> gavin: you did a movie in kenya. as a consequence you developed a passion for an area in and around kenya. tell me about it. >> there is this slum often visited by tourists and filmed also in the "constant gardener" and also in my film africa." some people spoken to at the u.n. estimate $1 billion in development money has been put into that slum and nothing has changed. i was surprised for the first time in my life to realize that people who live in slums in and

around big cosmopolitan cities do not have access to water. it would seem that would be impossible for inside the city is developed infrastructure. how could there not be running water, access to water and there isn't. >> gavin: after $1 billion. >> after a billion dollars. and in the middle of nairobi which is a very modern city with all the amenities of any modern city, it shocked me that hundreds of thousands of people can live in such squalor. so i was asked by the people i was working with there if i would build a well. >> gavin: just randomly asked? >> yeah, they said look, connie there is no water here. will you build us a well. i thought, i can build a well. >> gavin: you have well experience? >> none whatsoever, but i did know something who did. i thought i'm going to ask this

guy, who is a really cool guy. constructer. he has a big construction company here in san francisco, i'll ask this guy if he'll help me build a welcome in africa. it cannot be that difficult. you drill a hole, and you put in a pump. >> gavin: that's right. >> then i started googling, and i realized now that two years later with all the stuff we've done already in two years google has just changed the rules of everything and sped up processes that would have taken years and years and instead are taking minutes sometimes. you know, i googled how to build a well. how to build a well in africa. then i started moving them around. the more i discovered in terms of what was out there, and actually there is not such an explanation, but you can start

piecing together information from many, many different sources. i spent four months googling every aspect of infrastructure africa water, waste water management services--everything. all of a sudden you realize, oh my god i actually can have access to welcome papers. i have access to work papers from the united nations international monetary fund, all these work papers. you as a layman can have access to them. i have used them, studied them and culled all the n that i think i needed from them. that's extraordinary. who would have been able to do that in from the past certainly not. but you were able to bring back to africa a well, finally? >> we went further than that. for us, because you cannot maintain a well without having a

business plan most wells built in africa stop working within a year because a lot of these development projects don't build in a business plan. one of the things we realized very early on was that water alone does not really--it's not a business. it's not a goodbyes. it's a business, but it's not a goodbyes. it doesn't give you a lot of money to actually maintain it. so we figured that if we could put together all of the services that people actually need, and i thought what is the difference between me and them. they're living there. i'm living here. what is it that creates this difference in our lifestyles? well, i have access from the moment i wake up to communication, shower, i have a bathroom. i can drink water and i can

switch on the electricity. being able to do all of these five things puts me into a position of determining my own life. without these five things, and as a matter of fact whenever there is an emergency situations those are the first five things to disappear. then people are in need of help as we can see after hurricane katrina. and it's not an easy problem to solve. what is it that we need to do to create access to those five things every day. what i saw immediately was if i could put those five services in one place, i also had a business plan. that business plan entailed that the local stakeholders would own their own infrastructure services. we would use clean technology because it's clean efficient and durable. in africa not to use solar is basically a crime. so we have solar. we have access to our own water. we provide--we provide wi-fi

credit and all of these services together can make economic sense at local price points. meaning the people who live in the slum paying out the levels that they can afford can actually sustain economically the cost of providing themselves with their services. >> gavin: so this is all up and running through this human needs projects. >> we drilled for water two weeks ago and hit at 1,000 feet. we hit a beautiful source of water. we got wonderful water coming through. we're financed. we're starting the rest of the construction in six weeks, and we have a community coordinating committee that is--provides access 80,000 people in the community. we are locally heavily organized already. i will be telling you or inviting you to the opening in six months. >> gavin: to kenya. >> to kenya. >> gavin: i appreciate that.

>> you guys come along too okay. >> gavin: what's next? you're about to shoot a new movie? >> yes, so i have got two moves coming up, three movies coming up that i'm going to start shooting. one is called "catch a boy" which is about a boy who--it's a memoir actually, about a boy who grew up in johannesburg in the slums, and who had a chance for a scholarship and now is a professor at stanford. it's a film exploring what are the ways in which depression truly, truly damages the very building blocks of society of family. how it creates dysfunction to its most deepest and formative levels and how hard it is for a nation to recover after that. i play the tennis coach that gets him out of there.

>> gavin: and the other film? >> the other film is called "the sacrifice." i'm doing a cameo in a new movie that is sure to upset most people. >> gavin: well i'm intrigued by the intrigue of season two of "bosses." i hope people tune in, season two, learn about the intrigue and insights of an interesting mayoral couple, first lady of fictional chicago. thank you for being here on the show. >> thanks for having me. >> gavin: you may not know this, but connie's politics leans to the left while kelsey grammer's lean to the right. yet while filming on location they have become close friends. and who would have known that thriving under the bush administration. my thoughts on right left, rich poor, right after the break. >>i'm an outsider in the inside.

ideas are the best politics.

>> gavin: news coverage to the race to the white house gets testy, but that's nothing like the barrage of negative ad bombarding swing states like ohio, florida and colorado. why is it so difficult? why is it impossible to talk about the issues that matter the most. why are there two sides to every single story when--pardon me for using this expression--when there are always 50 shades of gray. here at current tv we're expected to speak our mind and that's what i expect our guests to do. with homeless in america with can neither ignore nor can we fordafford to politicize this issue. and if a business solution can turn things around like those

that have been advocated we must get together, right left, and everyone in between and execute it. that's the vex point. with student loans topping 1 trillion-dollar and surpassing credit card debt how can we ignore higher education. shutting down our schools and universities is not the solution. but keeping valuable jobs at home might be a step in the right direction. and finally keeping government out of the first steps of innovation and ideation is the marketable approach. it's the best place to explore new ideas. thanks for joining us, and be sure to continue the conversation on our website facebook and twitter and google plus. [ ♪ theme music ♪ ]