point. sometimes democrats can get pretty agitated. stay on current, we've got more great coverage o [ ♪ theme music ♪ ] >> gavin: hello and thanks as always for watching the show. with only 25 days until the election, we start tonight with, well politics. former dnc chair terry mcauliffe. he's my first guest. he speaks his mind. he speaks about why he's so mad mad about gridlock in congress, mad about our failure to create jobs at home. and will.i.am and what he has to say about inner city decay and he blames the lack of vision in washington, d.c. find out what is up with another

music icon, the grateful dead mickey hart. he talks about the impact of music, and how rhythm is direct directly affecting our brain. we'll show you mickey hart's brain. and why phil burns is back in the headlines. but first my interview with terry mcauliffe. >> gavin: what do you feel when you travel the rest of the world. what is your sense of the economic shift occurring. >> well, that's a good question, and i do feel better than i did six months ago. i feel the fundmentals around the world. i feel that europe is getting better. we all should be concerned about what is happening in china. china as we know it today may not be in the same place ten years from now. there is tremendous issues going on with their leadership. people are getting restless, they're manipulating their currency. china could not be the same.

that could be a huge economic impact. we're out of this huge horrible recession, we're coming out of it. the countries that putting plans together for the next 5 10, 15 years, they're the ones who will take most advantage of it. that's why i feel here in america it's very important that president obama win again. we elect some members of congress that will work with him. the gridlock that we have, this partisanship divide. it wasn't about politics. it's about job creation. it's not the idea that you don't compromise any more. compromise is not a bad word. i wish i could get out of bed and say take this deal or leave it. that's not how to works. the idea that we pushed everybody to the right, to the left, and there is no middle left people aren't getting things done. we got to stop this gridlock. >> gavin: how do we do that?

how do you change the intensives for bad behavior. these folks are in gridlock environment where they win overwhelmingly in the re-election. >> and you know why. i'm from nonpartisan redistricting. i think it's a disgrace disgrace what is going on. they draw their own lines. 80 out much follow the congress, if you don't have the competition that i have every day that keeps you fighting hard thinking hard, i don't rest. if you were guaranteed to win lieutenant governor for the rest of your life, maybe you wouldn't work as hard as you do. it affects everybody. the only elections you have right now if you run for congress is a primary within your own party and it publishes you to the edges on both sides. the middle is gone. >> gavin: how do you get the parties to give up. that's giving up power

fundamental. as chair of our party nationally, that's the last thing you're advocateing for at the time. >> i did it, honestly, gavin because it's about our future, our country. it's not about winning seats. it's about what is right for the country. we all have to step up to the plate. i've never been shy from controversial things. it is what it is. i started my first business at 14 years old. i wanted to go to college. my parents couldn't afford it. i started 30 businesses. i love this country and i'll say what i think is right, and it is what it is. last year i had a major commitment. i went to china and moved their entire cop to company back to the united states of america. i was tired of losing jobs to

china. now we have a car and we have a project to put these cars all over the world. denmark has made a major purchase. dominoes has made a major purchase. we have our military who will give them these mini cars to get to the base every day. >> gavin: what about the cars that are rolling out. >> much cheaper. it's bigger than a smart car. it's a electric smart car. you plug it in at home in your home outlet, which helps a lot. we're called mini v. you don't take them opposite the highways. i drive it every day and back three miles, it's perfect for

that. >> gavin: what do you think that electric cars have not scaled. we have been talking about electric cars. they shuttered the technology. we've seen our foreign competitors, we're playing a little catch-up in the united states. why hasn't the electrical taken off. >> i think it's the cost. 80% of the cost of my car is the lithium battery. every year they're cheaper more powerful and condensed. it's a beautiful car, but it was $100,000. a lot of people say, well, i would love to do this, but that's a lot of money. our goal is to spend $18,000 to $20,000, get in one of my cars, it won't be your primary car but your secondary car. the volts we only had three great months of selling them. our plan is to get off the

defense of foreign oil. china announced that they wanted 10 million cars on the road. they just did a multi billion dollars investment. we in america cannot allow one more technology or business to go overseas, specifically china. we got to do that in america. my car used to be made in china but now it's made here in the united states of america. >> gavin: was that a value proposition? were you doing that because of traditional cheap labor you were getting there you have the benefit of the supply chain being nearby and the benefit of having the productiveity advantages of research and development of keeping it in place. >> the research and development are all here. the management is all based in the united states. most of us get our lithium from china. but china's wage versus gone up, so the idea that there is this gigantic differential between what we pay and what they pay has shrunk. when you balance it, most

americans if they could they would rather buy american. they would rather support someone down the street who is making these cars rather than china. when you add that in, we've gotten close. it's closer on the wages. we have better benefits, as we should, but i'm competitive. that car made over here, i'm making it for almost the similar cost in the united states of america. but it's now made with american hands. we're shipping them to denmark. >> cenk: because they're further along in sustainable practices more aggressive in promoting the technology. >> let's just take denmark. they want to be off the grid on their own in a couple of years. if you buy a new vehicle in denmark they have 180% excise tax. they exempt electric cars.

denmark saying we're not going to tax electric vehicles they're saving a lot of money by doing it and we're now able to sell all those cars. we need to get in that game in america. we have to think smarter. we can do this, but we need government working with private sector. i don't take government money. people think of green and it's a joke. i've done this with private investor capital. we need to get in what i call the future business. we can't be in the service economy, we need to create jobs, make things with our hands. back to manufacturing. back in virginia where i live, the clothes textiles, furniture mills, they're sad. let's build wind turbines facilities. >> gavin: the challenge is people go where the costs are month modest. i think you're right. the cheap china being the thing

of the past, and the cost of robots that they're building the iphones and other things, but what about the manufacturing, the value equation for manufacturing in america, still not necessarily where we need to be. there is a legacy cost, sirs as you say, health and pension it's not a race to the bottom but how can we bring manufacturing back? >> president obama has strived--he has had good manufacturing plans. congress has not been a willing ally, which i think is crazy. we're the greatest country in the world. technological, we're so far advanced. let's take the kindle, taiwan came in and bought the whole company, moved the entire operation to taiwan. if you buy a kindle, it's all made in taiwan, something that was designed in your state.

>> gavin: it says assembled in china. >> should never have that. it's a global economy, but we need our government helping all of us working together to get this done. with manufacturing we've got to get serious in america. we have to talk about it, but we don't offer incentives to build the manufacturing base in our country. you're lieutenant government governor, you get this. it has got to work for you, it has got to work for the business person. it has to be a win-win for the business and the state. >> gavin: and you're able to apply that tax credit for the car. >> the congress luckily kept that in. they wiped everything else out. going to my point in denmark. they're smart. they're creating markets. as you know, you got to invest in the future. i have five young children. where are they going to be working 20 years from today? i got to spend money today to affect where we're going to be in 20 years. the idea that government should have no role is ridiculous. let us build turbocharged

businesses in america. congress we have today, i just don't get it, and we're allowing germany and china to move at warp speed and we're talking about whether we're going censor eric holder? it drives me crazy. i'm doing business in europe. i'm doing busy in china. i'm traveling the world i know what we're doing here, and our congress is grinding to a halt. >> gavin: when you talk about getting back into future business what is economic growth. what is that farm la? is there is formula for success? what made america so great? >> we have the best minds here. we're developing the best technologies of whatever the future businesses are iphones, the kindle, which is now assembled elsewhere. we have to keep all of that here. we clearly know we can design these things technologically. it goes to education, stem core and all those things we have to do. but in additioned to that we

have to incentivize those companies to keep them here. whatever we have to do to the tax code and whatever it may be, it makes more sense for these 26 million people to get them back working create economic activity here in america instead cargo ships that are coming, these super tankers from china korea, japan they're coming every day to the port of los angeles bringing those products. we've got to stop that. how do you figure on getting those 26 million people back to work. you know it, it's really shameful what is going on in american politics. it's so negative and so nasty and the bottom line, things aren't getting done. we have to get things done. >> gavin: here's to getting things done, governor. >> okay, lieutenant governor. >> gavin: when he's not busy forming for the queen of england, new fashions, new technology he's out promoting the obama campaign. find out why about the front line

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>> gavin: i could spend ten minutes to explain all he is in, from music fashion, technology and humanitarian work. this is a fresh perspective from the black eyed peas frontman. >> one week i'm in rio de janeiro. the next week i'm in slovakia, and then the next week i'm in the philippines and singapore. coming to conferences gives me a sense of where the world is going. i'm around people, then i get to

see where companies ngos, politicians, where they see the future the hurdles that they face and the work around, especially when it comes to you know, science, engineer, mathematics, bioengineering you get to see a peek of what the future is, then you get to share that with family members and you make sense of your travels when you see them in the world. >> gavin: you make sense of the world that we're living in. what world are we living in as you travel, and then go through the disruption and the merger of it globallation, you come away optimistic in the world we're living in or concerned. >> i'm not as concerned as far as danger. i remember going to brazil in 2005. brazil was a totally different country in 2005. i remember going to this place in rio de janeiro and i

remember going into those slums andand i remember going a couple of months ago in october of last year--transformed. i remember going to india bangalore and it's the silicon valley of india. inner city ten years from now it's not like there is a budget to get these kids up to speed but there is a budget for that semi conductor and for that chipping to faster. as we develop and get kicker with technology, in america it's like we're down grading if you look at the investment that we have for education and the youth. that's the thing that worries me. >> gavin: how do we turn that around? the new poverty numbers came

out. they're horrific, the mcinequality is more acute man we've seen in our lifetime. what is missing in the leadership. not an individual per se but all of us that inspire our politicsings presumably to do the thing. >> honestly i think it's shortsightedness no real truth on what 20 years looks like and commission to make 20 years looks healthy. we have financial problems, and for some reason we put money in all the wrong reasons. defense is great but what about offense and that's offensive to play on words. >> gavin: do you see technology changing dramatically, the government structure moving from hierarchy to more lateral distributive network.

>> what we need to do is try to imagine what america was like after world war ii. after world war ii we put in place a whole different system. it was called plan opposite oppolescence. i'm not saying we want to do that again but we want everyone involved it get our economy back. if we're going import, we should be tax stuff. that's how brazil got out of their funk. they consumed the things that they need. if you wanted to buy things from overseas, they were taxed. look how brazil is rising. there wouldn't be detroit without manufacturing things. disneyland in orange county would only be a bunch of orange groves if not for kodak and disney. i don't know the answer but i know the way we're going isn't

the way. >> gavin: thank you. i know you have to go, thanks, buddy. just like will.i.am forever linked with the black eyed peas mickey hart will be forever linked to the grateful dead. mickey hart is trying to bridge the gap between art and science. our conversation coming up after the break. presidential debate. with unrivaled analysis and commentary. >> was this the game changer? is this going to change the dynamic? (vo) the only network with real-time reaction straight from the campaigns and from viewers like you. >>now that's politically direct.

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[ ♪ theme music ♪ ] >> gavin: he's 69 years old and shows no sign of slowing down.

after half century of making music, mostly with the grateful dead, mickey hart is out with a brand new album featuring who else, the mickey hart band. mickey, great to have you on the show. >> thank you for inviting me. >> gavin: i'm going to start right here. you've got a new album but what is this? there is something--i've never seen anything like this. is that a record? >> wow i'm having a moment. that's an lp. >> gavin: that's an lp. >> vinyls are coming back. >> gavin: vinyls are coming back? is this for deejays or something? >> no, people are listening to vinyls. listening to cds with only 20% of the signal, and the rest of it is all lost. but in the vinyl you can hear what is in the groove. >> gavin: you've been pushing the boundaries historically notably of music and the definition of music and translating from light waves and making visible sorts things that we see. they're all ideas we can start to hear them from your own son's

heartbeat, which you famously did. when did the exploration of that sound come, or has that always been part of your dna. >> ever since i was a kid i loved things that moved. and anything that moves has a sonic component and visual component. and then drumming took me back to where sound came from, and coming from the big bang, the beginning of creation $17 million. where the rhythm began. that's where i started to get the scientific edge, taking light waves that we get from radio telescopes turning them into sound changing their form, it's called sonification, and then playing with them dance of the universe, saturn, the sun the moon, the earth, all-stars,

clusters super novas all these--each thing out there every epic event has its sound and it has it's light. so it's all very interesting where it all came from. that's one project is an itch that i've always wanted to scratch. >> gavin: you worked with penn state, and lawrence berkeley, you really tried-- >> it's got to be legitimate. especially rock-n-roll what is mickey hart doing in science, i don't have time to become an astro physicist, i'm a musician. but i have curiosity so i find people who are like-minded who want to go on the chase. okay,--see, i see the whole universe as an instrument. you know, everything that moves in the whole universe, some of

it you don't like because it's, like, it's noise, and some of it you can't understand. but you sit next to the surf, it's a wild sound. you can't tell when the next wave is coming, but it's beautiful, or the trees and the leaves blowing animals, humans music, which is vibrations controlled vibrations. that's what i do as a living. i'm a rhythmist. i play with time and rhythm. it's a specialist to me because that's my profession. >> gavin: is it that curiosity that has allowed you to span with such prominence in the music industry half a century. >> i have a deep attraction to sound. i love sound alone but rhythm is the basis of life. that's essential for all life. i'm a rhythmist. that's what i do. the rhythm of things has my imagination totally captivated. i want to find out everything i possibly can about it, and i

think it's the never ending struggle, you know, to be with the muse. i don't know if i'm following it or it's following me, or weather we're both going there but it never let's up. my dreams are full of ideas rhythms, rhythms coming and going, this and that, things fit together, it's like --um--it's a very spiritual thing for me as well. it's not just payday. >> gavin: right. >> you can't keep getting up just to get paid. it's a very emotional experience when i make music. like going to church, it's more of a prayer for me as opposed to an entertainment thing. >> gavin: has it waned over the past 40-plus years? have you had moment where is i've had enough. i've been doing this. i've proved myself over and over. i've reinvented myself from the dead to my own band. did you go through a period of

time where you said, i'm hanging this up. >> yeah, no, i never said i want to hang it up but i want to change partners. it's like a marriage. the marriage can be good for the rest of your life, you know, and sometimes it grows old. i'm very curious. when the grateful dead were playing vital music, that's all i thought about. that's all i needed. then there came a time when i started hearing something else, you know, so i started to follow that. but you have to have the freedom--grateful dead was a perfect place to grow up. we were our own nation. our own--it was us and them. whatever it was back then, we didn't go with the fads. we went with what was ticking in here, and we did what we wanted to do when we wanted to do it. there was no bosses, we just were our own crazy little an

anarchist machines. >> gavin: do you know in many ways we're coming back to that time. you described in many ways the modern world that technology. but now the network big is getting small and small is getting big. >> that's well put. it's a machine's world. everything is by code. needless to say if music does mirror society it's going to be code-based music. that's why you see the dance music coming up. the music is getting smarter and the machines that we use is getting smarter. we're in between world the analog world of people playing instruments to deejays and so forth. like myself i use computer on the stage and so half of my world is in the archaic world of drums and the other half is in the electronic world. that's the modern musician as i see it. that's the way i can satisfy

both my cravings for good percussion sound and neat rhythm played by a human for humans. also the benefits you get when you have a giant memory bank and a computer that can recall anything that you put in it, and make it, and make sounds unborn that have no names create new sounds for a new world new dance for a new day. i mean, that's progress. that's the way music--that's the reason why there will always be music. music changes and the community needs something different to dance to. this community is not going to dance to bing crosby. this music is going to be code driven. people want it impulsive throb. that's where it's going as opposed to excellence in music. it's not about that. it's more the pulse and the throb of things. >> gavin: have things changed dramatically from those early

days '67 '68, '69, '70. >> it has gotten faster. things have sped up more, more electronics, less clubs and less camaraderie between the musicians. back in the old days, quick silver grateful dead, big brother, we were friends. after the shows we were at each other's homes. we would have friendly competition when we would play the grateful dead. in the airplane one night the economics as well as change. it's harder to tour now. back then it was a whole different economic situation. it made it easier to make music. now if you're starting out it's a real, real hard road. the business is filled with just pretty rough guys. the business is really rough the music business. once i heard don king say--i was riding with sammy hagar and i

heard don king. he had just done a concert with michael jackson at the volcano in hawai'i. he said i'm never going to work in the music business again. that's the lowest form of people. i looked at sammy and we said, wow, we knew it was a tough business but we didn't know it was worse than the fight business. but especially if you're young they just eat you up. they have major corporations controlling it now. you can't play past 11:30. we used to play--we were known for playing until dawn. we would never stop. we could play free in the park without a permit. a lot of things have changed. it's harder to make music than it was back in '67. it's harder to move around but

you get well-known. we were invisible back then. >> gavin: really? >> well,. >> gavin: when was the moment when you went, my gosh this thing is getting out of control. >> i think it started maybe in-- in--well maybe--maybe in the 70s, you know, '69. then there were lights. before it was just strobe lights. no one even knew what you looked like. you could have been stick figures on the stage. no one would not know anybody. but then lights came out and different magazines were calling us hippies. there were no hippies p all of a sudden "life" magazine did a profile and then we were known as hippies. it was all forming. then the tour buses coming to my house. i knew how to get out of san francisco once the tour buses started.

this is alice and the dead--and you could hear the microphones outside. we would just go flip them off or something. we knew we had to get out of the city. and also bad drugs and the mob and everything started coming-- >> gavin: even the mob back then, you guys-- >> oh, it was miss. >> gavin: a cut of the drugs. >> oh, big business. just local flavor back then, just local color. but once there was a market for for--for the harder drugs which we were not part of, we just got out. we didn't want any part of it. this wasn't us. it didn't help music and it destroyed humanity, everything we were against. you know we didn't want to be part of any of that. one by one, i was the first and then big ben jerry phil, bobby, we all eventually moved out.

>> gavin: this new new new album was recorded in your institutes. >> i've always had a studio. i take a long time to do things. >> gavin: this was five years. >> three and a half. i had to learn the license of changing light waves and sound waves. it wasn't like--it wasn't like okay, let's make or i could use the sounds of the big bang, you know. it wasn't you just go and do it. where are you going to look that up? working with the smithsonian and i have a great relation with nasa, and with all the radio telescopes around the world. the science work with all of my scientific staff. i was a series science staff that does the serious work that crunches the numbers. i don't do that. >> gavin: we're going to get science in a moment. thanks for being here, but i

want to talk about the great work that you do. we'll have more on the crucial intersection with science and art. my conversation with mickey hart continues. show. watch as i join the women of reg on "say anything". only on current tv. nah, he's probably got... [ dennis' voice ] allstate. they can bundle all your policies together. lot of paperwork. actually... [ dennis' voice ] an allstate agent can help do the switching and paperwork for you. well, it probably costs a lot. [ dennis' voice ] allstate can save you up to 30% more when you bundle. well, his dog's stupid. [ dennis' voice ] poodles are one of the world's smartest breeds. ♪ ♪ bundle and save with an allstate agent. are you in good hands?

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you guys have been doing remarkable partnership for some now. you, doctor, you're studying neurobiological, and nikki has mickey has been at this for years this notion that music could be medicine. you've known it intuitively, but now you're taking it to the next level and partnering scientifically, taking that partnership of art and merging it with science. >> we need to know more about it, and there is only so much anecdoteal information. we know it works. any musician can tell you of its powerful medicine, but what is it? what exactly is it? how do we define this? very much like tesla had to define electricity. we're at that point. and enters the doctor who is the god of the story. it brought him to me.

it's a perfect partner to start to find the mysteries of music to the brain. >> from my perspective this is new domain. we've been studying music and how it changes with memory and with aging. i have a strong appreciation for music as does many of the doctors in my lab. now to have someone with mickey's experience and insight to come in and work with us and talk with us on projects is really unprecedented in a lot of ways, to have this type of comfortable communication and common objective. so you know it's new domain for us. research in music and its impact on the brain has been going on for a while. there is some good research out there. a lot of it could benefit for better controlled studies, and coupling with the latest technology to see the brain and understand it in a powerful way

is great potential. >> gavin: do you have anything? >> yes i'll show you--this is quite amazing because you can't see a brain. you can't hear your brain. it's there, it's in your head. this is my brain outside of my head. >> gavin: you can show it right on the camera. this alfa waves data waves, each one of those colors represent a different party of my brain in a different rhythm. >> in a different rhythm being played as he interacted-- >> gavin: is this mickey brain being still? if he starts drumming does the brain light up all over the place. >> it certainly should. now this technology is still at it's very early stages. but what we hope to do is to link this type of realtime recording with events so when you're experience changes through anything, your brain activity changes. we know this. this is how your brain works.

this is how it under lies behavior. we should be able to plot that in realtime. people should have different rhythmic signatures because they have different brains and how it interacts. >> i could perform in my brain. this is happening within the next couple of months, i'll be doing this live with my band. >> gavin: explain that. you're performing with your brain. it deserves a follow up. >> let's say mickey is wearing this cap and he's performing. we work on this technology and fine tune it so that the events that he's experiencing is being reflected in his brain activity in realtime. we then could use that information as a visualization sort of what you saw here and project it so people can see and experience that or we can also give it sonification, an auditory signature. you would hear a song associated

with his experience. >> could we hear alfa? [ ♪ music ♪ ] >> we've sonfied the the alfa rhythm from something you can't hear to something you can hear. that would be alfa. let's turn it off. now look at theta. lower rhythm, slower sound. we kept the relationship between thehow about gamma rhythm. gamma rhythms are much more rapid. [ ♪ music ♪ ] let's bring on these rhythms and all the sonifications and all the rhythms. there we go, the song of mickey's brain in realtime which is visualization.

[ ♪ music ♪ ] i give you my brain--well the sound of my brain any way. >> once you have the ability to communicate with your brain wave, you also are able to tune it. these are all tuning mechanisms. it's fun. you can see it. you can hear it. it's not like sitting there like a tibetan monk, and going into some other state that you don't see or hear except you've had 40 years in the monastery. this is something that is here and now. >> gavin: in a perfect world fast forward 10, 15 years, do you see a tremendous amount of progress. how does it translate to the rest of us? >> the doctor could write you a prescription. >> gavin: for rhythm? music. >> a certain kind of sonic tonic, as it were, perhaps. something that would an life-giving experience, you

know, whatever the medicine--music is medicine. that's basically what we're heading towards. it has to be scientifically based in order for it to be legal. there are 20 states that hmo insurance companies pay for music therapy. we would like all the states to be able to see music therapy as a legitimate field of study and practice. we have to add the science to it in order to legitimatize the music therapy. once we lock in the science then it becomes legit. >> and the ability to be able to reproduce it, and so that you can prescribe it, and be able to have a customized version of it that is appropriate for someone but not appropriate for someone else. this is where the cutting edge of medicine is going. there are many types of ways of interacting with your environment and helping yourself

yourself: meditation music rhythm, it has fallen out of the mainstream as which look at prescribable treatments. my lab is doing well controlled studies to be able to document and validate these as therapeutic. for my lab this falls as part of a bigger focus that we're interested in, in looking at other types of intervention to improve health aside from pharmaceuticals that is the mainstay that science has giveen us. it's not that they don't work, but they may work better coupled with things like music music and rhythm as therapy. >> we would like to know what the brain looks like before, during and after the auditory drive experience. we would like to see what change sonic component in the brain of

an alzheimer's person, too much of a certain frequency or not enough. >> yes we see that a lot. when we look at the rhythm signature of the brain the recordings, the rhythm, and how brain areas communicate with the rhythm change with these diseases. whether it's the underlying base of the decease or the product of the we could change it to other things. cognitive training through video game technology or medication. no we're all getting older but you. >> we have to keep the brain healthy. >> gavin: thank you for being on the show. congratulations on your partnership.

>> thank you for inviting us. >> gavin: it's so inspireing to meet with and listen to people who are developing their talent way beyond what first earned them their success in the first place. coming up my thoughts and ken burns is back in the news with his latest documentary. commentary. >> was this the game changer? is this going to change the (vo) the only network with real-time reaction straight from the campaigns and from viewers like you. >>now that's politically direct.

thyme. [ ♪ theme music ♪ ] >> gavin: in closing what does a democratic mastermind, a hip-hop

musician and a drummer have in common? terry mcauliffe started working at 14 for clock and will.i.am grew up poor, and mickey hart with the grateful dead. they have hard work, perseverance and a passion to make a difference. now an update on someone who loves what he does and is making a difference, them ken burns. his documentary about a manhattan rape case from ten years ago is being shown around the country before it's official release. >> everyone remembered where a woman was raped about but what we forgot, five black children were held for a really long time. had confessions coerced and went to jail upwards of 13 years at which point the oldest bumped

into the guy who is the actual perpetrator who felt guilty and had a crisis of conscience, something that the cops the d. d.a. didn't have. >> gavin: now they have a documentary including footage not shown in the film. he has been subpoenaed twice. and needless to say the filmmaker is fighting for his rights. that's all for now. stay with us on facebook, twitter and have a great night. [ ♪ music ♪ ] >> there is not a problem that exists that hasn't been solved by someone somewhere. >> focus on the folks who are making a difference, that are not just dreamers but doers.

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