48% of registered voters say the president won the content compared to 33% for mitt romney. after the candidates came out and shook hands, the gloves came off and the fight began starting with jobs and the auto industry bailout. >> obama: when governor romney said that we should let detroit go bankrupt, i said we're going to bet on american workers american auto industry, and it has come surging back. >> romney: that's precisely what i recommended and what happened. >> obama: candy, what governor romney said simply isn't true. he wanted to take them into bankruptcy without providing them any way to stay open, and we would have lost a million jobs. >> eliot: the president has hammered romney on the centerpiece of his campaign, his plan to cut taxes across the board to restore the economy. >> obama: we haven't heard from the governor any specifics beyond big bird and eliminating funding for planned parenthood in terms of how he pays for

that. >> eliot: romney is taking his lumps on the issue of equal pay for women. last night the former massachusetts governor said he wanted women hired for top positions before he took office. >> romney: we could a took a concerted effort to find women who had the backgrounds to be qualified to be members of our cabinet. i went to a number of women's groups can you help us find folks, and they brought us binders full of women. >> eliot: but according to the coalition groups at a fill those binders romney told the story backyards. she told the "huffington post" that hiving top-level women was an initiative of women's organizations to make it be something that he had to follow through on. he didn't go out looking for these binders. romney also bled a bit when he dualed with the president over their personal investments. >> romney: mr. president, have you looked at your pension? mr. president, have you looked at your pension. >> obama: i don't look at my

pension. it's not big as yours, it doesn't take me long. >> eliot: and romney struggled over the strike that killed four americans in ben gas did i. >> obama: the day after the attack i stood in the rose garden and told the american people of the world that we were going to find out exactly what happened. that this was an act of terror. >> romney: you said in the rose garden the day after the attack that it was an act of terror? it was not a spontaneous demonstration, is that what you're saying? >> obama: please proceed governor. >> romney: i want to make sure that we have that for the record because it took the president 14 days before he called the event in bengahzi an act of terror. >> he did call it an act of terror. >> obama: could you say that louder, candy. >> he did call it an act of color. >> eliot: this is what he said after the attacks of bengahzi. >> no acts of terror will shake the resolve of this great

nation, alter that character or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. >> eliot: this morning both running mates claim their man had won. >> the reason why i think mitt romney won this debate is because americans again, saw a leader with a plan to grow the economy and create jobs. >> i feel confident about my boss, i feel confident about my guy. >> eliot: for more on the debate and the presidential campaign i'm joined by frank bruni with "the new york times." sum it up, give us your take away with this battle that range raged for 90 minutes. >> it was hugely an important night for president obama. after his miserable performance in denver. his supporters and independent voters needed to see that spark and fight from him. i think that's why you see in these polls voters saying he won the debate. i don't think it's clear that him winning the debate means that he widened his lead or gained ground over all. often who wins the debate and

what people voters have to say have to do with expectations going in. >> eliot: in the first debate that mirrored it, but it may not reset the campaign the same way the first debate hurt him. >> there were interesting numbers on cnn. they asked voters who won the debate. i think obama had the advantage. and then who won the debate on the economy. romney had the edge. who seemed like the stronger leader romney had the edge. when you ask who won the debate, and asking them where it leads them in terms of their vote are two different things. >> eliot: it's not clear which of those questions are causally linked to the vote. the president tried to do cross-examination on the governor last night, on the issue of the 8 trillion-dollar he calculated 8 trillion-dollar in costs in additional spending by romney. and governor romney has not

given us any answers about how he's closing that huge gap, that chasm. can he do that throughout the rest of the campaign. >> i think president obama and democrats are hammering governor romney and paul ryan about that because it is a kind of remarkable thing. they're saying we're going to give everybody marginal tax break cut. it will be marginal, and we won't tell what you the loops holes are. some of the only loopholes that get through, those are hugely popular deductions. if you did away with them, they would have very negative affects in other ways. i can't see how this math works. >> eliot: he has taken those off the table because if you were to eliminate those the middle class would be hit very hard. and of course he needs to say now and rightly so the middle class will not get a tax increase. >> it doesn't add up.

>> eliot: it doesn't add up. it's arithmetic. this is not high theory oracle or calculuos. there has not been a concerted effort to force him to answer that question. >> i disagree with you. reporters have been asking him over and over again. and i think romney and ryan are refusing to answer it. one of the things that they're gambling on is that voters do such a cursory look at this stuff and not focus in. >> eliot: i guess what you're saying, in the context of the political campaign where there is not a follow up that is afforded in a courtroom where a judge allows you to ask the question. >> the reporters can only ask the question so many times. are the voters hearing the refusal to answer it as keenly as you are. >> eliot: that's the right point. will the public see this evasive evasiveness, understand, and follow through. >> right. >> eliot: foreign policy, likewise it seems behind the

bellicose language that we hear from governor romney and paul ryan there is not a coherent foreign policy as it relates to syria, iran, libya none of these hot spots has governor romney said what he would do differently. >> i don't think there is a huge difference in foreign policy. that's the reason why you don't hear a lot of distinction. i don't think this campaign will turn on forge policy. i think there have been a lot of attention to bengahzi. voters have a tough time making sense of that. romney is right to hammer the president about it because it creates the general impression is he as strong a leader that you need. but i don't think voters are going to vote on that. >> eliot: interestingly, romney, after he failed in that moment. that may be the emotional pivot point of the debate last night when candy crowley came in, after saying to the president you got it wrong. when it's blamed on this

youtube video he would have been correct. >> it's unfortunate it seemed for a long time that the president and the white house were we had wedded to the videotape did it, and not to blame terrorism, but by saying the president didn't say act of terror he chose the exact wrong detail and lost a point he should have won handily. >> eliot: you're right when you have one point that is wrong the entire argument falls apart. >> and to make matters worse i felt bad watching it, he was so proud of himself as he edged up to it. oh, wow, now i got him. on a technicality he lost it all. it was a rivetting piece--

>> eliot: now the republicans immediately went crazy. candy crowly should not be intervening to take sides in what is a factual dispute. as a journalist did she do the right thing? >> i think she did the right thing. she fact checked it accurately. she was brave, if she had gone it wrong oh my. candy crowly was under huge pressure not to do anything, to behave as a throw pillow with a pulse. she went into that debate knowing the only way to come out of it in dignity is when in doubt, intervene. >> eliot: we've seen moderators in these debates and they judge where they think the needle schuster rest. you wrote an article two weeks ago saying sacrifice has disappeared from our political lexicon. we pay tribute to the greatest generation but we don't expect sacrifice of ourselves any more. this is a fundamental truth and a fundamental problem. how do we address it?

>> i don't know how to address it, but it bothers me, and this campaign has brought it home. we have this yawning debt that gets bigger every year and we have a campaign over they're arguing who is going to be more generous with tax cuts. i'm not saying we should have raises, but we're leaving our children a miserable situation. we need to sacrifice now for them and the future of our country. i would find that a very compelling oratory as a voter. i think a lot of voters would. an i don't see any politicians brave enough to talk that way. >> our budget is shrinking and we don't have the leadership to lead that moment. we understand it intellectually but we don't have the courage the backbone and no one in the political arena are giving us answers that are suited to what

you just described. >> i don't think the he will baited has elevated enough. it's silly and plays to the lowest common denominator. i don't think voters--everyone says voters are smarter. i think voters are tuned out disengaged and misinformed but they buti do believe they should be informed. what should we do sacrificially to insure our children's tomorrow. >> eliot: let's see if there is anyone who is willing to test that theory. frank bruni. thank you for coming in. >> thanks. >> eliot: mitt romney and his binders full of women. we'll talk about that with senator chris comes coming up. thinking. >>ok, so there's wiggle room in the ten commandments, that's

you would rather deal with ahmadinejad than me. >>absolutely. >> and so would mitt romney. (vo) she's joy behar. >>and the best part is that current will let me say anything. what the hell were they thinking?

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issue, the finger pointing over the bengahzi attack, the energy, and the nomination to the supreme court i'm joining with senator chris coons from delaware. thank you for joining us. >> thank you eliot. >> eliot: let's begin with the issues relating to gender. one of the amazing changes in the presidential race in the past few days has been the closing of the gender gap surprising many people. what do you ascribe that to, and do you think the president has begun to reopen the gender gap based on the statements in last night's debate. >> i think the president did a great job in the debate last night reminding people why folks across the country both men and women, young and old, those who are seeking opportunities those who are hoping to regain opportunities, should be voting for president obama. he was, i think clear and decisive and he also reminded folks that the mitt romney who is showing up in these presidential debates is quite a different mitt romney than the man who was sharing stages all over this country in the past

year with michelle bachmann, rick perry herman ca. >> joy: a nciane and these folks denying women health scare such as contraception and it was brought out sharply last night. his immigration his shadegy tax cutting plan, and double down in $2 million in defense spending i think last night president obama helped democrats and independent independents that the man before us is fundamentally different than the man who ran for president last year, and leaving no clarity what his core

convictions are or what his action would be as president. you have to take into account the serious commitments he made as a candidate to veto obama-care veto the dream act likely take this country into another war in the middle east. there are lots of positions he has taken that he cannot blithely walk away from. the president laid out clearly what he has done, what he will do, and what the clear differences are between him and governor romney as a candidate. >> eliot: that's exactly right. the thing you have to give to the new moderate mitt is he has binders full of women. that must give them a degree of comfort knowing that he has binders full of women. sitting on the judiciary committee, one of the things you have to think about what are the types of nominee will be? this is one of the greatest imprint after his or her term ended, and when it comes to gender issue one has got to

believe that the nominees whom we would see from president romney are fundamentally different from the nominees we would see from a second term president obama. how do you articulate that so voters appreciate the importance of the supreme court in our society. >> there are decisions that the supreme court has recently made, and is likely to make in the coming term that are turning on one vote. that are really quite close. there are decisions that have been made that i think really have pernicious con kenses like citizens united which has released a flood of undisclosed money in this current election cycle, and then other decisions roe versus wade which should be respected in this country. based on who president obama has nominated to the supreme court and who is currently serving

what sort of justices he would nominate what sort of candidates he would send us on the judiciary committee. he has sent us judge who is are qualified, balanced, reviewed very favorably by the aba committees and pass through the judiciary committee. i think he would nominate future justices to the supreme court who would respect the subtle law of the land when it comes to women's reproductive rights and who would be willing to cast decisions in the light that most respects our founders intent and the framework of our constitution while taking into account the needs and demands of our modern political system and modern economy. i'm confident of what super bowl would do.--i'm confident of what president obama would do, i don't.recently congressman ryan in

the debate with vice president biden made it clear that he's committed to tackling and reducing women's reproductive rights in the country. >> eliot: there is no question to the precise legitimacy of what you said. the romney-ryan would lead to nominating supreme court justices who would overturn roe v. wade. you say it's not only subtle law but good law. there has been frustration that even though the democrats had the majority in the senate over the past several years the filibuster has been an impediment to getting those nominees on to the bench. is there any hope this you bring with you that come january if there is a democratic majority that we can overturn some of these filibuster rules so some of these judges and justices can make their way to the bench. >> we've made some progress in getting judges confirmed.

there were justices confirmed during president obama's term who served the bench, but you're right, the filibuster rule has been used with great effect. it has been wielded constantly by the republican minority, and has really slowed down progress both in the judicial committee and on the floor. there have been a number of potential world changes that have been debated. i supported one from senator udall that would make senators who are using the filibuster to hold the floor and do sort of the mr. smith goes to washington and stand there and give speeches and explain and defend what they're doing which isn't how it's being practiced today. there have been dozens and dozens of filibusters in the last few months and i think the american people are tired of seeing the senate tied up in knots, and every vote has to be done by a 60. vote majority. >> eliot: i could not agree with you. 51 is the majority. 60 is not what it says in the constitution. i hope you're successful in that

effort. senator chris coons, thank you for joining us on the program. >> thank you. >> eliot: more of mitt romney numbers still aren't adding up, and those numbers are big. truly experienced presidential debate coverage. [ ♪ theme music ♪ ] >> eliot: one of the great mysteries in mitt romney's campaign has been how to pay for the $4.8 trillion that would be lost from the 20% cuts he proposes in tax rates. romney himself insists the plan is revenue-neutral. yet, to fill the gap he suggested only one idea last night. no one could write off more than $25,000 in tax deductions or credits. so let's do the math. and we'll get our number of the day. $4.1 trillion.

that's how much the rate cuts would cost, even with that limit on write-offs. the "washington post" calculated that his cap on deductions would raise only $730 billion. that's not even close to covering what he needs to make this plan revenue neutral. but then again we've seen this kind of math before from other republicans. ronald reagan said he would close the deficit by cutting taxes, and the deficit went up. george w. bush said he would close the deficit by cutting taxes, and the deficit went up. now mitt romney said he will close the deficit by cutting taxes. what do you think will happen to the deficit if romney got to implement his plan?

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>> eliot: still to come, inside the minds of the .1%. we'll talk with author chrystia freeland. but first jimmy kimmel finds out who won the debate before the debate even happened. binders full of women goes

viral, and honey boo boo gives her endorsement. >> we conducted a little experiment this afternoon. the presidential debate started at 6:00 here in l.a. here today we went out on to hollywood boulevard at 2:00 to find out who won last night's debate. >> who do you think won last night's presidential debate. >> um, i'm going to go with obama. >> romney: i went to a number of women's groups and said can you find folks and they brought me binders full of women. >> the binders full of women. >> binders full of women. weird ♪ binders ♪ full of women ♪ binders ♪ full of women ♪ oh, yeah ♪ >> everywhere you look, binders of women were being tweeted. people were buying the website.

>> he has started a whole facebook page and lightening fast reaction. this tweet binders full of women is my favorite motley crue album. and this tweet. binders full of women is what they find in a serial killer's apartment ♪ binders ♪ full of women ♪ oh, yeah ♪ >> what did you think of the town hall style debate. >> i thought it was for intimate. i thought it brought them closer to the people. >> what did you think of the new moderator? >> um, okay. >> everyone you know your friends, your neighbors that cousin you haven't seen in a while, that student sitting next to you in class. you know he's kind of a knuckle head, you know the one. >> now i have to ask you, who are you going to support for president, mitt romney or barack obama? >> barack obama. [ cheering ]

>> who do you think won the presidential debate last night? >> what presidential debate? they had one last night? who is running for president? >> eliot: the audience at last night's debate may have been ordinary folks, but the super rich are definitely still in the election. that's next. current tv presents special event coverage with unrivaled analysis and commentary. >> you're going to hear that used as a major talking point. (vo) the only network with real-time reaction straight from the campaigns and from viewers like you. >> now that's politially direct. >>start the night with a special live edition of "talking liberally with stephanie miller" at 7 eastern. only on current tv.

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fall of everybody else, suggesting that they are, in fact, a world apart from the rest of us. the impact are nick social, and political. joining me now, thank you for joining us this evening. there has always been a plutocracy in every society but what you suggest in this book is that it's different today than of 30 or 40 years ago. explain that. >> first of all its different because the gap is much, much greater. i think this is something we really have to face squarely. the gap between the 1% and everybody else, more so, the 0.01% and everybody else has grown hugely since the 1970s. to give you a little bit of a precedent, in 1970s the 1% took roughly 10% of the national income. today the 0.1%, so that's one-tenth that have group takes nearly 8%. so there is a huge shift of the

national income to the tip of the pyramid. >> eliot: as you say this increasingly concentration of wealth has seen with it increasing power and change to society. >> inevitably. when you have all that economic power at the top you see the political voice much much expanded and the social influence much much expanded. >> eliot: the plutocracy, there has always been the local banker, the doctor, the lawyer, those who are viewed central to the decision making but they were integrated in the every day life of the community. now these are two separate worlds and the chasm has grown even bigger. >> this point about local is a key point eliot. for the people at the very very top its increasingly hard to define local. capitalism is global. markets are global. and people at the very top are increasingly living in a world

absolutely apart from the rest of us, and they're becoming a nation unto themselves. >> eliot: and so rather than having a wealthy subset that we're still part of a local community, what you're saying you have an extraordinarily wealthy elite defines it's commonality globally and internationally. so the elite in new york, paris and london have more in common with each other than they do with their neighbors three blocks away. >> absolutely. and throw in mumbai, shanghai and moscow. this is a truly global group. this is not to impugn the patriotism of these people. we are a function of the economy that we find ourselves in and theitis real. if your business, if your professional life is all about surfing these global waves of capital, then that's how you think. >> eliot: but the nodes of power in the world are shifting. to a certain extent, the power

had been concentrated in the nation-state. obviously nation states don't matter and old fashion traditional corporations, they have been made less relevant by these individuals who control tens of billions of dollars creative create google facebook, they as individuals are usurping the power that used to be found within other structures. >> yes, i think that's absolutely right. i think people in this sort of very, very top layer are increasingly able to slip the bonds of the nation's fate. they are able to say, you know what, if i don't like the tax system here i'm going to somewhere else. that is actually real, that makes the political response to this phenomenon very complicate good the negotiating relationship between these individuals and nation-state cities have changed. rupert murdoch is void of national identity and his

ability to control media and money makes aim a supremely powerful person regardless of where he is or geographically centered. >> exactly right. it's not just him. but there are many people like that. the owner of british newspapers, he's russian. this is really a global community. >> eliot: one of the other things you pointed out that is fascinating, the plutocr rats used to inherit wealth. today many of these super wealthy individuals have been creators. i hate to sound like mitt romney, the job creators, but they have created facebook google, some high-techent that has created some transformative technology. >> i agree with that. i agree with you eliot that is something that is progressives is uncomfortable admitting. these are an elite landed gentry they're fat cats smoking their cigars, they add no value.

that's just not true. the second part of the fitzgerald quote that started our discussion, something along the lines the rich are different because they're rich very early. they have only known privilege in their lives. had a is interesting and distinctive about this elite, a lot of them did do it themselves. even mitt romney, yes, grew up in extreme of a affluent, but created it him and bill gates. >> eliot: and the fill plan philanthropy their use supplanting the nation-state bill gates in particular to say i have my wealth. i can use it. i'm not dependent either on aid or u.n. development projects, pre-existing power centers. i can create my own mechanism to change society.

>> yes exactly. we have to talk about that. people don't like to because philanthropy sounds like pure good but you have to examine what is going on. >> eliot: interesting book. thank you for joining me tonight tonight. why not score like the boxing matches. coming ahead on few "viewpoint." of the presidential debate. with unrivaled analysis and commentary. >> you're going to hear that used as a major talking point. (vo) the only network with real-time reaction straight from the campaigns and from viewers like you. >> now that's politially direct. >>start the night with a special live edition of "talking liberally with stephanie miller" at 7 eastern. only on current tv. uh, i'm in a timeout because apparently riding the dog like it's a small horse is frowned upon in this establishment! luckily though, ya know, i conceal this bad boy underneath my blanket just so i can get on e-trade. check my investment portfolio, research stocks...

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>> eliot: at long last can we get some actual answers from mitt romney? that's ahead on my view. but first we have the famous jennifer granholm back on our

set. still the hero of the democratic national convention. what have you got for us tonight on your show? >> you know, eliot you'll be talking about the debate too. we're really going to dive into what these questions mean going forward, and what has to happen for the president in the next debate as well. we've got, as a matter of fact, pat quinn on, current governor of illinois, one of the issues for the debate is the issue of outsourcing in china. in illinois there is a classic bain firm that is chaining it's chinese replacements and it will layoff it's american workers and send it to china. he'll come on and talk about that. gentleman fascinating. >> we have analysts who will bring insight on what really happened. we have a great round table. >> eliot: gender issue front and center in the polls and it will be critical to the president's re-election. >> do you change your mind about who won last night? >> eliot: no, the president by a thin margin.

it was not a knock out. did he better. he was brilliant but it was an if you have battle. >> you are tough. president won. >> eliot: only by a thin margin. watch war room at 10:00 p.m. eastern. great to have you. >> greats to be here. mix. >>now it's your turn at the only online forum with a direct line to eliot spitzer. >>join the debate now. >> eliot: toe-to-toe interruption to interruption like two goodaters they squared off in the arena. candy crowley's best efforts to maintain order couldn't survive the testosterone battle that played out before us. it was not only great tv but a superb tv debate. the key take yeah away, barak is back

and moderate mitt can't survive careful scrutiny. let me expand. the evisceration of middle class wealth that has been ongoing for over two decades romney's plan is really little more than a combination of snake oil and old wine in new bottles. he offer up merely a series of tax cuts and a passive government when much more is needed. the auto bailout disagreement is the perfect metaphor for the intellectual debate between the two candidates and the results of the experiment could not be more telling. the bailout really did save an entire sector and a million jobs. while romney's claim there was an alternative is simply false. there was not private financing available. none. the capital markets were frozen. had the government not stepped up the entire sector would have shut down.

let ohio take note. second romney's tax plan really doesn't add up. a 5 trillion-dollar hole cannot be filled by less than a trillion raised by capping deductions. he said several things. the plan is revenue neutral. the rich will stay pay the same percentage of tax bill that they've been paying, and the middle class is getting a tax cut. those pieces don't add up. it is simple arithmetic. i don't think they have run the numbers or even actually have a plan. that is why they won't give us any specifics. third, on foreign policy, romney tried to capitalize on the festering anxiety over the tragedy the bengahzi but has no answers or ideas when it comes to libya syria or iran. bellicose language does not a foreign policy make. finally with respect to guns both candidates failed us. i wanted to avert my eyes during

the efforts to dodge and bob and weave. a simple i have caved to the nra and i am doing what i know to be wrong would have been better. i'm comfortably confident that the resurgent president will survive the re-election campaign. i hope between november 6th and january 20th somebody on his staff will come up with a second term agenda. that's my view. the kick-ass stephanie cutter. >> only on current tv.

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with twizzlers the twist you can't resist. >> eliot: when it comes to a debate the most common until made it to a boxing match one-on-one winner winner take all verbal bout. if that was the case, then last night was a true slug fest.

>> obama: governor romney does not have a five-point plan. he has an one-point plan. that's to make sure that folks at the top play by a different set of rules. we have not heard from the governor any specifics beyond bid bird and eliminating funding for planned parenthood in terms of how he pays for that. >> romney: reduction on government land is down. >> obama: no it isn't governor. >> romney: it's down 9%. >> obama: governor romney invested in companies who were pioneers to outsourcing to china china. >> romney: have you looked as your pension. >> obama: it's not as big at yours. >> romney: you'll get your chance in a moment. i'm still speaking. >> he's getting mad. >> obama: the suggestion that anybody on my team from the

secretary of state, our u.n. ambassador, anybody on my team would play politics or mislead when we lost four of our own governor is offensive. >> romney: because it took the president 14 days before he called the attack in bengahzi an act of terror. >> obama: get the transcript. >> he did. >> eliot: here a breakdown of last night's debate. i'm joined by james buddy mcgirt welterweight champion of the world now promoteer and president of bella entertainment lou dibella. thank you for coming in. who won the debate. put it in boxing terms knock out, tko. >> obama fought exactly the opposite he fought the first fight, the first debate. he must have had a different trainer. he came out with punches you saw it in the clip a second ago the five-point plan, the

one-point plan, mentioned the 47% gaffe of romney right in the opening comments. he threw more bombs in the beginning of this debate through the whole first debate. he won a clear-cut win. clearcut decision. >> eliot: but not a knockout. >> not a knockout. >> eliot: he didn't leave romney bleeding on the floor of the arena. >> it wasn't a knockout but everything served him. but even in boxing we would say the ringsides. but here the town hall type of forum, it served his interest. he's the looser guy the more charismatic guy up title he appears stiff. even the referee, candy crowly calling it like she saw it. >> eliot: buddy, i got to ask you. here in politics we think we're tough, we're in the boxing arena. did boxers say, gee, this is just like a political fight. >> no. >> eliot: you didn't say, gee, i want to be in politics. you didn't see the metaphor go

the other way? >> not at all. >> eliot: you thought we were a bunch of wimps? how did you see the fight. >> as lou stated in the first debate i think obama sat back. >> eliot: rope-a-dope. >> it didn't work. he came out and he took control of the fight and cruised on to the championship. >> eliot: did you do that i'm going to fight this guy twice. the first fight huddle up and let him punch himself out. >> the difference in boxing, if you let that happened you may not fight again. >> eliot: that's right. if you have a 15 rounder. >> that's gone. >> i want them back. >> eliot: you want 15 back. you look like you can handle. >> not for me. for the sport. >> eliot: why is that? >> separate the men from the boys. >> eliot: you think 15 rounders would do it?

>> exactly. >> eliot: how many 15 rounders did you have? >> two. >> eliot: you won them? >> yes. >> eliot: it must have been good for. >> but you go into a zone that you can't explain. >> eliot: was the president in that down? >> yeah, he was in the zone. >> eliot: he was throwing the left jab. >> he started changing strategy, and then you could see the tide shifting. for that it was you know, he went on to retain it. >> eliot: he took body blows in the first debate. >> for sure. >> eliot: do you give credit to the boxer or the guy in the corner. >> a little bit of both. the guy in the corner has to tell the boxer, we have to switch up the strategy and that's what happened. >> eliot: you've been in the corner with a lot of boxers. who do you give the credit to? >> he was so bad in the first debate so non-present. he didn't need anyone tell him what he needed to do. i'm sure he got better advice give credit to the people who advised him. he didn't throw any punks. he didn't counter punch. romney gave him wide-open shots

and he didn't take them. he wasn't there. every fighter has a fight where they're not there. this first debate, the president was not there. the second debate he was there from the beginning. he launched the offense. he had romney on the ropes for the whole fight. it was a clear-cut win. >> eliot: if you had to pick one botcher who--one boxer who play president obama. >> mohammed ali or ray robinson. >> eliot: not george foreman. >> of course, he did it with such class and the way he was apologize and suave. >> eliot: you're being nice to the president. who is mitt romney? is he mike tyson biting somebody's ear off or am i getting in trouble. >> he was confident from the first night. >> donny osmond. >> eliot: we're talking fighter.

>> i'm not thinking of a fight for mitt romney. >> he came out a little confident-- [ laughing ] --he got in deep waters last night. >> eliot: let's talk politics. where are you politically. are you in the romney camp? you made money as a lawyer, promoter. >> i'm closer to the 47% than the .1%. so i'm in the obama camp. i consider myself somewhat of a liberal democrat. >> eliot: has he gun to make a case? and are you satisfied after four years in the white house he has embraced the hope and change that he talked about four years ago. >> not fully. it's a disappointment to me. but give the choice i'm firmly in the obama corner. i recognize that first debate was in my mind abysmally disappointing, a failure. he didn't do a good job stating his case. he came out in the second debate and advanced his debate. he stated what he accomplished

he was the better boxer in the sense that he had the most substance. he was the better puncher in the sense he had the most style. he dominated the debate. >> eliot: who are you with, romney or obama. >> obama, but i learned that politics and religion are just two things that you don't get conversations about. >> eliot: because you make no friends. >> you're the guy who steps in the ring and knocks somebody out. you're worried about getting in a conversation of politics. >> some people take it to a whole another level. >> eliot: we all saw president obama in the first debate. he just didn't show up to fight. did you ever have a fight like that? you get in the ring, something didn't click and then you say what happened? >> yes, it happens. you say, gosh man it's like--it's not like a basketball game where you can lose saturday and come back sunday. >> eliot: yes, six months later.

times up. buddy mcgirt and and lou dibella, thank you for your time. have a great evening i'll see you tomorrow. tonight on "say anything." stephanie miller is here to talk with me about last night's exciting debate. plus i'll sit down with actress valerie bertinelli, and also governor jennifer granholm. don't we have any men on this tonight? what is that. >> oh, deo huguely, oh finally a binder full of men. thank you. ♪