>> cenk: for those of you who watch the show regularly, you know that we want to get money out of politics. that's the most important thing. we have a new hero. senator burnham he called to get money out of politics. i love it. we're on the march. we'll see you tomorrow. [ ♪ theme music ♪ ] >> john: president obama's negotiations with the g.o.p. remind me of how i used to give the bully my lunch money so he would start liking me. how is obama going to fight back in the second term? and if american police against baseball's steroid, there would be no crisis. and jimmy page is 68 today. join baez is 72, and richard

nixon, who probably had dirt on both of them. this is "viewpoint." [ ♪ theme music ♪ ] >> john: good evening, i'm john fugelsang. thank you so much for joining us this evening. president obama's second term could be more ambitious than his first when he had the biggest financial crisis since the great depression to manage, two foreign wars to wind down and the largest social insurance expansion since medicaid pushed through congress. the newtown connecticut massacre that claimed 28 lives last month has put gun control on top of the white house and the vice president joe biden said that they were not going to stop there. >> there are executive orders and executive action that can be taken, we haven't decided what that is yet. but we're compiling it with all

the help of the attorney general and the rest of the cabinet members as well as as legislative actions that we believe is required. >> president obama has also promised to make immigration reform a ton priority. while the national climatic center's announcement that 2012 was the warmest year on record, and a historic year for extreme weather like hurricane sandy global warming is an issue demanding attention. and and this just in. hilda solis has stepped down as labor secretary. fortunately for the senate's calendar, attorney general eric holder kathleen sebelius and eric shinseki announced they are a saying. president obama plans to stay too. now they just have to get those

appointees approved and the controversial bills passed in the face of entrenched republican opposition in both houses of congress the biggest the big from mitch mcconnell said, i quote the biggest problem we have at the moment is spending and debt. none of these issues will have the kind of priorities as spending and debt over the next two or three months. in other words this does not concern you. we're joined by the heroic charles pierce contributing write for "esquire" and author of "idiot america." good evening to you. >> good evening to you. >> john: the president has an ambitious agenda guns, immigration which angers all those people who want to use those guns to shoot immigrants, what do you think the president needs to focus on first.

>> well, i don't know that he's going to have much choice. he only has 16 months to governor before everyone starts running for president and no one is listening again. i think he does see some room for compromise over on pennsylvania avenue on that issue. but gun control has been just dropping it's ahead. the country is crying out about that more than anything else. i think he'll wind up doing both of those at once and that will be a tough road. >> john: gun control is an issue that democrats say people have hit the snooze button on since the 90s. can they get gun control through this congress. >> to be honest with you, i don't know what he can get through this congress. i think he can chip away a little bit at it, but i do think that if--i mean, if he tries to do--i think what vice president biden said today that's going to be one of the interesting

things about the second term is the newly activated biden 2000. this guy has turned into a negotiating device at the president's hand. if they do try to do something by executive action you will hear heads explode. >> john: i agree with you, and no punish intend pun intended there but it's great at a that they will meet with the vice president this week, but do you think they'll push it off to the midterm since that seems to be a win-win since its pop with a lot of voters especially women. >> i still think that immigration reform is at the top of the agenda. it's an obligationed based on the nature of the electorate that re-elected barack obama. i think that's job one.

>> john: well, latino voters put this president in office twice and he promised repeatedly that it would be top of his agenda. do you think he'll follow through with his promise and push through legislation this month and what kind of reform he'll consider since he has made the dream act law already. >> i think he'll formalize that and put in place the mechanism by which the dream act is a stepping stone to comprehensive reform. pardon me. >> john: go ahead, please. >> whether or not he has time much more than that, i don't know. but once he gets a system in place, and it's operating and you know, thousands and thousands of people come out of the shadows, it will be very hard caring what happened last fall to roll anything back. >> john: let me ask you about his nominees. they'll throw as much mud at chuck hagel for the unspeakable

crime of being of the about the iraq war, do you think they'll slow down the process trying to bog it down or will they see john kerry sail straight through. >> i think john kerry will have an easy time of it. i think chuck hagel will have a tougher time, and i do think that--i think hagel will have a roughing time of it then kerry. they all but nominated kerry them when beating up on susan rice. it would be heart to double back on him now. >> john: somewhere scott brown is washing his truck. charles pierce, so great to have you on the program. >> thanks, john, i appreciate it. >> john: thank you, for now on what president obama hopes to accomplish in his second temperature i'm happy to be joined by current tv correspondent david shuster and eric boehlert scene fellow with

media matters for america. what does he have a better chance of pushing through. >> i think he has a greater chance on gun control and charles was right. it will make the heads explode on the right and make banning assault weapons closing gun show loops holes would seem reasonable. i think that sets the president up in a pretty good negotiating position. >> john: what track record do you think he'll be willing to ruffle executive orders. >> the haguethe hagueel,the republicans made it clear they didn't want chuck hagel. the president said here is my republican. beat him up. go show america that they won't even support a republican. that showed a little bit the

nerve. i think the executive order if he does it will show, this is going to be a different obama in the second term. this is not tiptoe around. how can i be nice to them so they can beat me up. it will be him doing more of this is what i want, and i don't care i'll do it. >> john: i think a lot of liberals say if america wanted a sane, moral punching bag john kerry would have wrapped up his second term right now. do you think we'll see a newer muscular obama taking these guys on. >> by putting hagel out there it might seem like the president is provoking a fight but he's trying to draw the republicans away from these other issues. they don't have time to block everything. if they want to spend time blocking hagel that's time they lose as far as the debt ceiling gun control or immigration. it's smart by the white house to draw the republicans in, and while the republicans are focusing on one issue it's like

whack a mole you address something else. >> john: what are the odds they do anything about climate change? >> we haven't seen--again maybe we'll see a different approach in the second term, but having said that there is nothing from obama's past that shows he wants to go out and do these controversial things. carbon tax anything dealing with the environment, climate change, i would be surprised. if he's going to cause the freak out with the executive order of gun control, that takes up so much oxygen, and you can only have so many of those freaks outs, and he can't do it seven or eight times. >> john: i think america has seen enough g.o.p. freak outs. >> they want to do something about climate change, but it's only when the economy is humming well when we ask companies to cut down on emissions.

but right now there is no room to maneuver on this at all. >> john: getting the cab cabinet nominees confirmed, gun control where is he the most vulnerable on? >> i think they're doing this small incremental attack him on everything trying to bog him down on the simplest things which cabinet nominees used to be automatic. they decided well, we're going to attack, attack, attack, and make him use up capital. i don't think they have a grand strategy. i don't think they're looking down the road six, eight months, this is where we'll set our trap. they made it clear from 2009 we'll obstruct everything we physically can even if we're in the minority. i don't think they have learned anything. that's what they are going to do for the next four years. >> john: is eric right? they're just going to do the same stuff that haven't worked for them. >> the g.o.p. is in total

disarray and chaos. they don't have a strategy. they're running around like a chicken with their heads shopped chopped off. there is a potential problem over the debt ceiling and they'll wheel it back to the president and say we'll cause an economic catastrophe. >> john: we know they hate the debt ceiling because they only did it for bush 17 times. don't go away, gentlemen, we're back with you in a second. but up next, president obama has an another four years to do what he wants but is that four more years or 16 months.

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obstructed misrepresented, demonized, go afoul and askance. how does he go about his second term agenda? with us is reid epstein along with glen thrush wrote an excellent piece about this topic, why obama is picking fights with congress. reid, thank you for joining us tonight. happy new year. >> thank you for having me. hain newhappy new year. >> john: in your article there was this quote, hit now as hard as you can because your power starts to die in six eight months. why is this the case. >> in second terms presidents become lame ducks almost the day after election day. the president doesn't have another election coming up, so all he has is the pulpit of the white house, and after a certain amount of time you start to lose a little bit of currency from that and traditionally after six or eight months if you don't

have significant victories you start to lose some of your influence. we saw that with george w. bush in 2005 and 2006, and president's team is hoping that that does not happen with him which is why they're hoping to win some big victories in the upcoming months hoping that that helps to play out let him do better in the years after that. >> john: well, i assume you're talking about the midterm elections in 2014. it seems the next six months are really about the years 2015 and and 2016 for this administration to have both houses of congress back. >> if they don't win them in the midterm the historical track record shows that the president will not be able to get a whole lot done in his last two years. it's the way things have worked in presidential second terms. if you remember george bush was very ineffective in his last two years in the white house. bill clinton was wrapped up very

much with the monica lewinsky scandal, so he had extend extenuating circumstances, and they're fighting some fights that they hope they can win. the chuck hagel nomination is a fight that they hope they can win. winning can beget winning. they'll have a big fight over the debt ceiling and these are fights that could blow up. the president will be more combative with republicans than thethe conciliatory let's all find a solution we can agree on. >> john: so we won't be compromising on his compromised compromises. you wrote, the best way to get what he wants his staff says, is to create pressure from the outside through campaign-style events like the one he staged in during the fiscal cliff

negotiations. have we ever seen a president campaign with tons of cheering middle class folks behind him in iowa, have we ever tried that to get things moved across the aisle in the second term? >> i think not the way we're going to see from president obama. george bush, again he went on his social security tour in 2005 trying to revamp social security which was blocked by in congress. we'll see more of what we saw in december. i think we're going to see more of that whether it's the debt ceiling or gun control or immigration. he feels like he's better, and his team feels like he's better when he's outside of washington talking to people, talking to real people as opposed to negotiating with members of congress. they feel like he gets more leverage and is more influential

that way then when in washington. >> john: it's all about the cameras. reid epstein, thank you for your piece and thank you for being on the show tonight. >> thank you. >> john: with more on the logistics of president obama's second term let's bring back in current tv correspondent david schuster and the senior fellow at media matters eric boehlert. as reid pointed out you have george w. bush hobbled his last two years. and president reagan was hobbled the last two years of his administration. we've never seen a president since eisenhower, a two-term president who had a smooth final two years. do you think the end game here is he can book end the terms two years with the majority, two years as a punching back and then two years having the majority back. >> that would be great. everybody is waiting for the obama scandal in the first administration. it never came around.

he has been able to do things that other presidents have not been able to do. if he could book end it, that would be amazing. obama has had to deal the right wing noise machine and fox news and how they're trying to gum up the works. they're trying to do anything like the g.o.p. drag everything down, fight every nomination. obama is really fighting forces we've never seen unleashed on a president before. we can't just talk about congress. he's fighting very well oiled well financed attack machine and noise machine. he's doing very five years into this game. >> that pivots back to the house where the republican can control, and the president can get a vote unless john boehner said there is a majority of republicans who will join this. most republicans support gun control. how do you get a vote in the house when you have so many house members who are afraid to

go against rush limbaugh, hannity and all the rest. can you make john boehner the issue and take back control maybe, but that's not easy. >> john: that works if people hate john boehner republican and democrat alike. but what will filibuster reform. that could be the solution to all these problems. >> it's up to the white house to make that move. but the press in the last four words that worded has been flushed down the memory hole. you constantly read about how a bill failed in the senate. it didn't come up--they don't even say it came up for the vote in front of the senate. they haven't explained to the american people that there aren't even votes. you need more than 60 votes. filibuster is a word that describe radical strategy that the republicans have adopted and the press does not really talk about it. that i think makes it harder to get filibuster reformed passed because the republicans have not paid any price for using it again and again. there is no media pressure.

>> cenk: they really haven't. david, what else have the republicans to fight for. it's not like they're going to start helping the president for the good of the american people. >> that's why filibuster reform is so important. to say maybe we can can't completely rehaul the fill muster but if a senator wants to filibuster make them do what they used to have to do, stand in the senate and talk for hours, and at least makes these older white males and the republican party have to do it. then the media find an intriguing story because how long can mitch mcconnell talk for. then they talk about how they want to block common sense gun control. >> john: we read about strom thurmond standing on the senate floor for days reading phone books to fight a civil rights being voted on. why don't they force these guys go on c-span and read the phone book. >> there is a fourth and a

fifth. they let this game get out of hand in the first term. don't upset them because maybe we can deal with them. don't upset the right wing crazy--it hasn't worked. the press has dropped the ball. they will not explain what the entire filibuster culture is, and there is no price to pay for being radically obstructionist. >> john: that's why i read your column. thank you for being here this evening. it's time to be here when were you players enter the baseball hall of fame which makes it a proud day for--nobody. that's it. [ ♪ theme music ♪ ]

>> john: for the first time since 1996, the baseball writers of america did not elect anyone to be inducted into the baseball hall of fame. this despite the fact that to of

the best players of the last 30 years were on the ballot. roger clemens and barry bonds. a seven-time mvp, the only player in major league history to hit over 500 home runs, bonds is the all-time least leader with 762. but his connection with the infamous balco lab and subsequent conviction on obstruction of justice led he many to believe that he had used performance-enhancing drugs. like bonds roger clemens has a well documented cloud hanging over his career. after his former trainer claimed he injected clemens with steroids. with the suspicion of drug use of clemens and bond looming in the mind of baseball writers they received less than half of the votes needed to be elected to the hall of fame. let's bring in sports editor for the nation and host of edge of the sports radio dave zirin and

columnist for mlb.com richard justice. gentlemen, it's a pleasure to have such esteemed writers as yourselves. thank you for joining us tonight tonight. >> thank you. >> john: you're allowed to vote for ten players and you voted for barry bonds and clemens. >> yeah, i didn't know who used and who didn't, and i wasn't going to punish bond and clemens because they got caught. i voted for the best ten that i saw on the ballot. >> john: are you taking heat for that from fans? >> not really. i try to explain it. you saw the vote totals. people are torn by it. we know they're the best players of the generation. what do you do? how should we handle steroids and basically you're on your own. right now the message from the writers is if we know that you

used steroids, if we're reasonably certain you used steroids you're not going to get in. then we move on. >> john: are you surprised that no one was inducted even players with no steroids associated with them, guys like craig biggio or mike piazza. >> i want to applaud richard for making those votes. the baseball hall of fame seems to be senting the message that the 1990s just didn't happen. and the baseball hall of fame bills itself of being a museum. there were tons who paid before 1947 when the leagues were all white. there are players in the hall of fame who played in the 1960s when amphetamines were described being in the locker room like they weren't m & ms.ms then you

have people like bonds and clemens who have legal ramifications with performance-enhancing drugs surrounding them and then piazza whose only crime was he had acne on his back when he was in the locker room. and then poor craig biggio who would have been the first person to go in the hall of fame as a houston astro, his crime is that shared a crime with jeff balance bagwell where people said something happened. >> john: there is a whiff of hypocrisy about it when you consider all the memory of speed freaks who made the game great. do you get a sense that bonds and clemens will get in next year and this vote may have been a way for writers to send a message? >> no, i think that the message has been spent pretty much since

we began voting on guys we suspected of steroids. including mark mcgwire. i think it's the bbwaa with the 569 ballots. i think we fail. i bet half those guys have not seen a guy in 25 years and this idea that you're in able to vote forever. there were deserving players tim raines, alan trammell. it seems like the votes are getting stupider and stupider. this is apart from steroids, which is a very complicated issue. >> john: what do you think, is there a chance we'll see their names on the ballot next year and their punishment is that they're not eligible the first year. >> people like barry bonds sammy sosa, roger clemens they'll be on the ballot next year but the storyline will be tom glavin, maddox.

they will be clean players where we'll celebrate maximum god glavin, maddox and frank thomas. and i don't see how you have a hall of fame that is supposed to be a museum, mind you that doesn't have these players. it's like a museum as written by joseph stalin, they didn't exist, therefore it didn't happen. the 90s just didn't happen. well guess what, a lot of writers who are doing this voting and handing in blank ballots, they cheered on the 1990s, they cheered on mark mcgwire, sammy sosa race. you spoke about a whiff of hypocrisy, i would call it an overpowering stench. >> there are two parts of the hall of fame. one is the museum, and bonds and

clemens are there. they're respected there in several different ways for their accomplishments but the room where the plaques are that's the bestowing of the higher honor. guys with very good intention are trying very hard to grapple with steroids. what is it? is it a parking ticket? a mass murder? we're talking about it amongst ourselves. my position is i don't know who used. i'm going to vote for the best guys. people who have been caught, people think with clemens the use is evident they're grappling with that. >> john: the grammy awards are not for merit, it's who helped the industry. i think these players all help the industry of baseball. a lot of people have forgotten that and the debate will rage on. there will be an asterisk because of this asterisk.

thank you dave dirin and richard justice, totally fascinating debate. i can't wait to see how this unfolds. i thank you both for your insight this evening. >> my privilege, thank you. >> coming up, chris christie's rise cannot be stopped except maybe by facts.

>> john: chris christie, a guy so nice they named him twice. i'm just throwing out a possible slogan for christie's 2016 presidential run. governor christie still insists he's not thinking that far into the future. that's why he didn't mention romney's name in the first 15 minutes of his keynote address in the republican convention. christie said 2016 not even on his mind yet. >> what are the prospects of a

christie-hillary clinton race. >> as good a prospects against anybody else. anybody who tries to plan four years from now is crazy. the fact of the matter is i'm going to follow the advise my mother gave me, which is to do the job you have right now as well as you can do it, and your future will take care of itself. >> john: like beating up on teachers' unions. i hate to be the one to rain on the christie parade. let's get past he seems like a really nice guy and he's charismatic thing. to quote a colleague here at "viewpoint," facts matter. under governor christie unemployment in new jersey is 9.6%. national unemployment, is 7.8%. that 2% difference the largest the state has been above the average for 30 years. the man who refers to himself the boss, a springsteen fan who has never listened to the lyrics

of any springsteen songs have left a lot of employees looking for work. with me now dean obeidallah, politico median, and scott blakeman politico median, and lee camp, a pleasure to have you all. a christian, a muslim, a jew and an atheist who looks like jesus, and they all walk into a bar. despite employment is down, job growth is not as high as he claims, and policies could be hurting the state. what makes him so popular? is it just charisma? do the people care that much about personality. >> i'm from new jersey, i can tell you there is something--it's a cliché but he

speaks trait forward and very direct. jersey people like that. all the bs that is going on in this world that we live in now he was everywhere. he was like giuliani after 9/11. and then fighting for his own party. that's something that we don't see anywhere, members of the party fighting visibly for their own state. >> john: to be fair, scott he criticizes congress when it's popular. is it rank opportunism. >> the reason why they support christie is amnesia. he has not done anything. he has taunted teachers, as you pointed out and has done a whole wrath of things that didn't work out. i will say he did the right thing after hurricane sandy like giuliani at 9/11.

but i didn't agree with anything that giuliani did before or after that. when they look at a guy like christie, hey, i want to help my state. i'll work with the president. he's a traitor that's the real insanity. >> i think they're just impressed there is a republican with empathy. he cared for his people. that's just being a human being. but a republican with empathy it's like an unicorn eating four four-leaf clover. >> john: democrats loves having a republican that they love. most democrats have a republican dad. like mccain, mike huckabee, a charismatic guy who is a straight talker. george w bush, damn them all. it happens. when did he become this popular among democrats, is it just popularity. >> are you saying we just enjoy a spanking? we want a father figure. >> john: no, i'm saying when you look at presidential elections

isn't always the most charismatic who win regardless of platform. >> sadly they will negate. when clinton gore and bush,. >> john: and gore won. >> let's just say gore for the purposes. but the thing is, it really is--and there are other men jon huntsman who i've met. huntsman is a bright, articulate guy who believes in science. he's wacky for that. i disagree with him on most issues but we need someone--with christie he does show flexibility like in new jersey he said after sandy we're going to have to raise taxes. that points to the other republicans who were so--they don't live in reality. chris christie lives in the real world. >> christie has done a great effort to reach out to

minorities who are demonized by other republicans. a muslim-american who was demonized, and christie said enough of this crazy. >> he called out the shariya law they were scamming. >> he nominateed them and they were rejected by the senate. >> you support muslim support gays mr. christie meet the tea party. >> because he's moderate on abortion. he's with the exception of rape and incest, which is now--it used to be that was a conservative position. now it's a moderate position. >> and the etch-a-sketch. >> john: that's right. for chris christie, for all the things people like about him he still believes women who terminate pregnancyies serve to be in jail. we have more to talk about right wing extremists have set

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>> john: even though chris christie gets to utter something reasonable now and then, other republicans can be putterly the conservative purity test. a group called for america

issued attack ads against him from the right just because forest grump made a deal that avoided the fiscal cliff. the senate minority leader is not alone for nixon's hunt birthday fox news called the career anti-communist our last great liberal which by today's metric is weirdly true. and if you harbor some vaguely humane thoughts about same-sex marriage, what are you going to do next? legalize pedophilia. >> there is a movement on to normalize pedophilia. i guarantee you your reaction to that is probable much the same a your reaction when you first heard about gay marriage. what has happened to gay marriage? it's become normal, and in certain demographics it was the most important issue. >> john: that was grand inquistor rush limbaugh on monday.

let's turn back to my panel dean, scott and lee three fine comedians. dean i'm going to start with you because you're the only man in new york wearing color. rush limbaugh he compared pedophilia to gay marriage. how crazy does he have to sound before even his fans hear it. >> i think what he wanted to do--you remember that sick feeling when you first heard of gay marriage. you know that sick feeling you felt when you heard about blacks and white getting married? he couldn't say that any more. this is the snake oil salesman. the rest of them, these publicity whores. >> we know he's a homophobe. >> this is the most shocking thing is the reason rush limbaugh found out about the

pedophilia thing was by reading the guardian in england but rush limbaugh represents republicans who are dying on the vine. republican party and rush limbaugh will not to continue to exist if they go on-- >> normalize pedophilia. i think rush limbaugh exists for stupidity and ignorance. how much decades did he reached hatred. no one should give credence to a single word coming out of his overrated face. >> i like to know how you really feel. now that we know mitch mcconnell is getting ads against him online, is it certain that he'll get a primary challenge in 2014 and should the rest of sane america be excited about this? >> this is great. can we get some marinara and drape it so they really can eat

their own. they've created a frankenstein monster. >> and they wouldn't have the crazies, the mcconnells, and sharon engels. >> john: michigan mcconnell could stand up against the tea party. yes, i did help out the fiscal cliff and i saved the economy. and it would win moderates but he's not going to do it. >> but isn't there a lot of money to pull the right further to the right, but there is not a lot of money to pull the left further to the left. there is no one there are no ads calling him to the left, but there is money on the right. >> john: that is a very good example. we're talking about purity test. if you're not pro-choice you can't get that far in the democratic party with a few notable exceptions. but the republicans still have this automatic purity test that

kicks in. is there any way to break free of it. >> if they want to win an election ever again which i hope they don't they shut should go down the path. when they said, the fiscal tragedy should not come out of a physical tragedy. they stand on principle, the tea party, you know what the principle is? meanness. that's what we have call them on. it's just mean. >> john: speaking by a person who was hit hard by hurricane sandy, if they call the iraqi funding bill they will rubber stamp without thought. where is the progressive protest against mr. drone bomb, mr. torture, mr. kill list mr. brennan heading the c.i.a.? >> that is a very good point. >> john: we're not going to see it. are we going to see any democrats stand up.

>> democrats stand up with the spine of an arthritissic jelly fish. >> when you have two parties you feel the obligation to stand with the president. chuck schumer, he won't come out against hagel, he said, i'm going to hear him out. >> even when he wasn't good enough four years ago now he is now that he's in wiretapping. >> john: fox news called nixon liberal. look a ronald reagan, could reagan ever find a place? >> nixon would be a liberal democrat, equal rights, epa healthcare act that even ted kennedy said his biggest regret

he didn't embrace nixon's health plan. they have gone so far to the right. >> john: but he hated blacks and jews, rest in piece mr. nixon. dean and scott, and the lee three of my favorite new york politico medians. thank you so much for joining us. up next, happier news, same sex weddings guess who is flipping out. that's up ahead.

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