one day be a source of pride for the entire country.

[ ♪ theme music ♪ ] >> gavin: hello, and thanks so much for watching the show. we have an all-star line up for you tonight. all of our guests on this show have one thing in common. they are true change makers from different backgrounds and diverse perspectives. everyone on this show embody the fundamental belief that ideas innovations will improve the way

we live our lives. we'll visit the brightest minds. we begin with three entrepreneurs with one uniteing quality, innovation. >> what are you wearing? what's on your head? >> the google glass. it's a little project i've been looking at. it's one of the main focuses now that i shift doing more r & d. the idea is you want to be free to experience the world without fussing with a phone. you may not have noticed but i took a picture of you and you're making eye contact with me. if i whipped out the phone, it would be very different. >> how do i know you're not making that up? i literally can see the image that you photographed? does it reflect on--let's take a

look. what is it? do you have to push anything? what did you do to make that work? >> i'm operating it backwards. it's not something--don't touch the pad on the side. >> gavin: there it is. >> that's somebody's finger, let me push the money. >> gavin: that's me, and you zoom right in. amazing. so this is something you guys have been working on at google for how long? >> this has been, you know, two or three years now but i've been much more involved just in the past year. >> gavin: and where did it come from? is this part of the google x. >> google x is my primary focus now with google. there are a couple of other things, but its sort of an advanced project and we try to prototype far-out projects.

people consider the notion of replacing the phone computer, something that is easy to access but doesn't inhibit you. it's pretty far off. >> the performance version is faster than the carrera. >> full touch screen. >> you can go full scene. it has off-line navigation as well. >> gavin: the future of electric cars, is it pushing the envelope of imagination and focusing on design focusing on technology that will be key to scale electric vehicles in this country and around the world. >> other car companies need to make great electric cars that are at a price equal to gas cars and they will sell. sell. sell. sell. >> gavin: edsell.

>> gavin: as easy at that. >> it's not easy, but that's what needs to be done. >> the front part of this projects is started by elon with his own funding. >> we had a successful mission for the space station. it really exceeded our expectation, and now we're going to go do more missions like that. we'll also be launching satellites weather mapping that kind of thing. and probably in three years or so we'll be launching astronauts to the space station. >> gavin: on a capsule, the dragon, to mars when? >> well, i'm hopeful that mars trip could occur sometime in the next 10 to 20 years.

10 is optimistic but i would be surprised if it's 20. >> gavin: you'll be leadingly example, i imagine. >> i would like to go. i would like to go. it would be great to be born on earth and to die on mars. you know, just not at point of impact. >> the book is about accelerated learning. my regards have been asking me for the four-hour mind. i needed a contact so i thought what better way to show all of these techniques from chess plot gees to memory experts to a skill. the skill that i quit so many times because it was complicated, time-consuming, whatever. it uses all five senses. the kitchen is a perfect dojo for training and all sorts of other things. >> folks like malcolm glad well say all this is true, but to be

truly an expert, to be world class, that notion of 10,000 miles, you say what to that? is that bogus, are you selling snake oil are they selling snake oil. >> i think we both are selling snake oil. the ten hour rule can be observed. it's important not to confuse causation. i would simple lay say from everything that i've seen and everything that i've demonstrate pretty well, if we define world class with 5% in the world there are very few skills where i think with six concerted effort you cannot reach that point. using feedback like video, skype training with people across the world which can cost like $20 you can dramatically excel your

progress and that will increase with better technology. the 10,000 hour rule may apply to many things but it's the exceptions that are worth studying. >> gavin: personally i'm constantly looking for new ways to improve efficiency and transparency. up next the best new ideas in politics and policy. but first a quick greek. break. all the time now. >> she gets the comedians laughing... >> that's hilarious! >> ...and the thinkers thinking. >> okay, so there's wiggle-room in the ten commandments is what you're telling me. >> you would rather deal with ahmadinejad then me. >> absolutely! >> and so would mitt romeny. >> she's joy behar. >> and the best part is that current will let me say anything. what the hell were they thinking? >> only on current tv. desmond tutu said a quote that is one of my favorite quotes.

"we are tied together in a web of humanity. i am a person only through you. i can only be a person only through you." that really resonates me and drives my work. the world is becoming an incredibly connected place. mobile phones are really driving that connection. at kiva, we run an internet marketplace. people can lend to other people for the purpose of starting a small business, going to school or a variety of other good causes. you can go to kiva.org and you can see pictures and profiles of people from over sixty countries all across the world. you can lend them as little as $25. if they are successful, they will pay you back. dear rixi, you're a honduran immagrant. you're coming to the us, you have an idea to start, you know, a women's cosmetics store or a clothing store. you're going to need a lot of things, ya know, to pay the rent, permits inventory, advertising, marketing so that

adds up quite a bit. you're going to need tens of thousands of dollars to start a small busines. there is ten million-plus people completely left out of the formal finical system. banks don't lend to people like that at all. there is a lot of opportunity to decrease unemployment, provide employment, provide economic opportunity and raise our standard of living by investing in small business. our hearts are an incredibly powerful thing. good technology can help amplify this power and create an incredibly powerful force that can spread to every country in the world. [ ♪ theme music ♪ ]

>> gavin: government still lags behind the private sector in implementing technology and innovations. that's why i've written my book "citizenville." hopefully that is about to change. as you'll hear from my next guest. oh think something essential to democracy. >> gavin: when we talk about opening transparentcy and accountable the thing to address those key issues is money and political. >> transparency of political money is without that we know nothing about what is really going on. the kind of influences that the money might exert on the people who are raising the money the candidates. so you know, since the turn of the century, 1907 we've had a firm rule about clear and complete disclosure of campaign contributions. it is the baseline of what we

know. and only in the wake of the recent citizens united decision and congress' failure to pass a piece of legislation that requires disclosure do we have the hundreds of millions of dollars that are going into our political system right now that are undisclosed. so there is one pot that is completely undisclosed. it's dark money. it's a black hole. that's why corporations, wealthy individuals, both have agenda, are putting a lot of money and we have no idea who they are. >> gavin: before citizens uniteed you had swift vote. was that clean open transparent investment money or were they taking advantage of loopholes that were even before citizens united. >> to say that it was reported and it was reported. that almost looks like the good ol' days. they were independent

expenditures but we knew who was financing them and we knew how much they were spending. now we don't even know where they put it, if it's in the right pocket or left pocket of the candidate. that's the biggest concern. we oh have not only unlimited money, but unlimited undisclosed money. >> gavin: just so folks know when i ran for lieutenant governor i had to put online every dime. it doesn't stop the campaign. it's easy to do and it course occurs during periods of time. what is the argument against the 24/7 early in the cycle who is saying no to that? >> they all say no, republicans and democrats. because the less the public knows, the less the opposition knows. >> gavin: why do we put up with this? why do we keep electing folks who refuse on both sides of the

political aisle to step up and be transparent and more accountable. are we too focused on others things? our lives are too complex to get down to this level and granular detail of what is happening and not happening in washington, d.c.? a lot of folks, an extraordinary number of people know what you do but most folks don't know what the sunlight foundation does? how do we scale that. >> until campaigns become as important as jobs and healthcare and clean air then it will always be a secondary issue and they will vote based on those larger issues. and the campaign finance issue has become such a sort of cynical response by the public that they're not going to vote on that. they're going to vote for the politician who is going to help them get their kid a better

education or get their mother in a better situation for elder care facility. >> gavin: the frustration for me is you've got extraordinary people. i really believe this in politics who are trapped by an extraordinarily bad system you saw this with president obama who said i can't stand these super pacs but realized you cannot unilaterally disarm if you're in this game, and he would be crushed and rolled over. how do we reconcile that. good people trapped in a bad system. how do we ultimately manifest that. >> well, i think you need someone who breakaway and who will understand, and i believe this to be true, if they say i will not take super pac money that the people who hate the campaign finance system will come to them and say this is a different politician. >> gavin: yeah. >> and that is a tough choice. i appreciate that, but i do believe, in fact that in this

day and age where the issue of money and politics is just pervasive and ordinary every day conversation that a candidate could be quite successful in this regard. >> gavin: i mean, what is it about the political parties today and politics today that that doesn't reward good behavior? >> well, i think thanks to modern technology everything now is a realtime, and everything gets amplified pretty quickly. you publish an article get a letter to the editor, then you get a response. now it's nano seconds, so the intensity rises up. and it means millions of people are involved in a way that they never were before. so the noise level goes up. and the desire of the lines in the ground, all that kind of thing goes up. but eventually i'm betting that as when through this turmoil and

name calling and alike consensus do emerge. we forget how contentious the 30s were. in the 1790s when this nation was starting, i don't think they teach it any more but hamilton versus jefferson and what they wrote about each other was vitriolic but we move forward. >> gavin: why do you think the bush words from not more successful? the promotion of a lot things, lower tax rates lower regulatory burdens, why didn't the bush--why didn't the economy take off in the decade of 2009. >> it gets to this most boring issue in the world back to the monetary and the crazy dollar destroyed nixon destroyed jimmy carter undermined george bush and none of them knew what hit

them. president obama has no appreciation that the volatile dollar that the fed has done is making his task infinitely more difficult. they don't understand it. it has not been taught for decades in the schools. the eyes roll over when it comes up. who shot up lately. so by default bad things happen. >> gavin: some are concerned about money in politics, and the rise of the super pacs. we always had indulgences with wealthy people on both sides with independent ex-pen expenditures. is this healthy for our democracy? are you concerned honestly are you a little bit concerned about what is happening? >> what should be done is take that 76 law which put caps on giving and then the supreme

court syd no for individuals and going down this path for 30 years. just throw the whole thing out. from my own personal experience i can tell you that election laws are in rival of tax laws in complexity. i've always taken the position open the thing up. if you give somebody something it's on the internet. everyone can see what you're doing. let there be simplicity and absolute opens and take it from there. >> cenk: coming up next icons in the world of entertainment from oliver stone to ken burns and several other industry staples. this group of visionaries use storytelling and creativity to make a big difference. those types are coming on to me all the time now. >> she gets the comedians laughing... >> that's hilarious! >> ...and the thinkers thinking. >> okay, so there's wiggle-room in the ten commandments is what you're telling me. >> you would rather deal with ahmadinejad then me. >> absolutely! >> and so would mitt romeny. >> she's joy behar. >> and the best part is that current will let me say

anything. what the hell were they thinking? >> only on current tv.

alright, in 15 minutes we're going to do the young turks. i think the number one thing that viewers like about the young turks is that we're honest. they know that i'm not bs'ing them with some hidden agenda, actually supporting one party or the other. when the democrats are wrong, they know that i'm going to be the first one to call them out. they can question whether i'm right, but i think that the audience gets that this guy, to the best of his ability, is trying to look out for us. [ ♪ theme music ♪ ] >> gavin: director oliver stone gave my camera crew tips before this interview. actor joseph gordon levtt, and

the grateful dead mickey hart is very much alive. enjoy our next guests. >> gavin: savages coming out about the drug war, mexican cartel issues. >> less of a documentary traffic, i loved it but it told me a lot. this is more about hypothetical fiction. it's based on a novel by don winslow and supposes the area idea because you california has a big growing industry with growing marijuana. we have the best weed in the world. i'm telling you from my own experience. thai weed, jamaican weed. it was all great weed but because americans are so technically minded and mad chemists they've taken the afghan seeds from the afghan war, that's the hypothesis of our movie brought them to

california rededicated themselves and made the finest weed in the world the finest grass you can smoke. and the mexican cartel which produces a lot of--bleep--weed not good stuff in the past wanted to get in the california business with our young people, three young people, and they offer them a deal that's hard to refuse. but the boys fight back. and the girl fights back, and it turns into quite a debacle. >> gavin: you've been very political active your entire life. you've never been--rather you've never shied away from a fight. you leaned in. >> i admire activists who go out there. it takes hours days, spend time in jail. you're out there knocking on doors. i'm not an activist.

i'm a dramaist. i may ask to say a few things as a citizen but i'm not taking the attitude that i make movies and that's all i do and it's just a movie no, i don't. >> gavin: you're a writer and director. you've written and directed these movies. did you have bruce willis in mind? >> no, not at all no. even when i had joe in mind. the character in the movie thank god has not much to do with joe. he's a pretty selfish guy who kills people for a living. >> i try to take something from every character take some virtue or character and steal it for later use. >> gavin: is that part of acting acting casing other people's consciousness and per persona and ideas. >> yeah, even the character i

play in "looper." he's not a good guy. he kills people for a living. he doesn't have any close friends or family. he's a sad, unfortunate soul, but you have to love your character like a mother loves her child even if there is not a lot to admire about them, everyone is themselves. and if you're judging your character from the outside you're not going to be able to play them with much authenticity. >> gavin: you don't see a lot of movies where you got two actors playing one character. so pressure arguably on you because bruce is not coming back as you. you're playing the younger bruce. everyone will say you have to pass the test. is this believable or not. are you taking notes, crawling under the table laughing the way he laughs, his breathing. >> mental notes, yeah. i wasn't writing thing down, yeah. >> gavin: what kind of response? i imagine for him he's probably going, that was cute. what kind of feedback did he give you to process it.

>> he's a very understated guy. not the type to butter you up or anything which is nice because he's always being honest. i did catch him once or twice giving me a second look, and wow. one time we were doing a scene where we were yelling back at forth at each other and in between takes very casually you sound like me. i had an internal jumping up and down victory but i kept it cool on the outside. >> gavin: when you look at actors that you admire with that authenticity who can literally lose themselves in the role. you just finished working with stephen spielberg and daniel day-lewis, he has to be at the top of your list. >> 's a chamaeleon extraordinaire and he never is the same. you can never recognize him. those are my favorite actors, the ones that you don't see the actor on the screen. you see the chapter in the story.

>> gavin: you're not one of those method actors who become the character off screen, you are? you walk around with the killer attitude? >> i don't think so, even daniel, who is known for staying in character. he's not silly about it. it's not that he believes he's abraham lincoln when the camera is not rolling. he knows we're not on a filming set. i would call it more staying in the mood rather than staying in character. >> i make the same film over and over again. that asks one deceptively simple question who are we? who are these strange complicated people who call themselves americans. how the past tells us where we've been that's history. but where who we are and where we're going that's the gift of history. the medicine of history. you come across something and you have to say yes, you have to do it. there is an economy of scale. there is a warp and woof to

american history. i've been through the 1920s in seven or eight different films and each time the 20s i go through is totally different. even prohibition and baseball or jazz, which you think would be really close it seems really different. so if i were given 1,000 years to live i wouldn't run out of topics in american history. >> gavin: in that context do these stories these films find you or do you seek them out. >> i think they choose me. i feel that i'm susceptible to a good story. i'll read a book. someone i'm working with will be talking with something and in the course of investigation of one film we'll stumble across a story. one of my partners will say i'm dying to do that, and then years later that's all you want to do. they take us--i feel like i'm samoa or guam in american possession. i don't mean to suggestion that it has a white picket fence and

a rainbow over the thing but that this is a complicated story. i believe we are as lincoln said, the best last hope of earth but to achieve that greatness we have to be willing to hold our own feet to the fire about our failings both past and present and learn from those and go forward and not backwards. >> see i see the whole universityuniverseas an instrument. everything in the whole universe, some of you don't like that because its noise or you don't understand. but when you sit next to the surf it's a wild sound. you can't tell when the next wave is coming but it's beautiful or the trees and the wind blowing animals or human or music, which is vibrations controlled vibrations. that's what i do for a living i'm a rhythmist. it's a special interest to me

because it's my profession. >> cenk: did go through a period of time saying i'm going to hang this up. >> no, i never said i i'll hang it up but i wanted to change partners. it's like a marriage. you know, marriage can be good for the rest of your life, and sometimes it grows old. i'm very curious. when the grateful dead were playing vital music that's all i thought about. that's all i needed. then there came a time when i started hearing something else so i started to follow that. you have to have that freedom the grateful dead was a perfect place to grow up because we were our own nation, our own--it was us and them. we didn't go with the fads. we went with what was ticking in here, and we did what we wanted to do when we wanted to do it. wewe really had no producers no bosses. we were our own crazy anarchist

machine. >> gavin: nowhere is innovation more urgently needed than in the field of education. what can be done to improve our nation's schools coming up next. those types are coming on to me all the time now. >> she gets the comedians laughing... >> that's hilarious! >> ...and the thinkers thinking. >> okay, so there's wiggle-room in the ten commandments is what you're telling me. >> you would rather deal with ahmadinejad then me. >> absolutely! >> and so would mitt romeny. >> she's joy behar. >> and the best part is that current will let me say anything. what the hell were they thinking? >> only on current tv.

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[ ♪ theme music ♪ ] >> gavin: michelle ry, and sebastian heading up online learning. they have different points of view but share urgency and passion for much needed reform and education. your ultimate goal is world class education that is available for free to anyone that seeks to find it, is that fundamentally it. >> that is the goal. and we say that, it's a goal. it's a mission. it's someone that i'll ever be able to say check done, move on to healthcare. >> gavin: why do you think it spread so quickly. it's a remarkable success story in a contracted time. >> i don't know the answer there. when i or our team, we're not the first to put online videos. video instruction is as old as

the vcr. we're not the first there. we're not the first to think that we can do software to help people learn. it's going to be treadmill for the brain. it was a very human thing. they could tell it was for someone's cousin. i would have gotten distorted if someone said start making videos and software that 10 million people are going to use in 2012. then i would have gotten fancy lighting and the next step in photo synthesis sounding like a gps device. but it was for my cousin, and it was very natural. a lot of early videos were very somewhat off the cuff. i'm less off the cuff, but people responded to that. they responded to the fact that i was doing the problems in

realtime. oftentimes you'll have an expert saying x leads to y and everyone feels silly but here you have someone who knows what they're doing but there is an art to it. but then they'll say that's not right, let's back up and go forward. >> it can be very confusing. is this 2 times something. what is going on here. >> gavin: do you see yourself replacing supplementing education or are you a tutor? or mentor? how would you define. >> the definition--different people would define tutor in different ways teacher in different ways. what we are clear on we don't think we're replacing physical experiences. we're a tool to super charge what a physical experience can be. what we're advocateing and we're seeing this in school districts where students can master consenting before move on, they can remediate and not feel

embarrassed, then when they go to class they have the students and teacher to really go deeper, problem solving. >> gavin: had at it with the teach urgency unions, there is a lot of concern from teachers unions about what you're doing. and a lot of concerns of how you manifest your ideal here and the goals. they require a different way of doing business. but is there a framework where you agree on some of the fundamental facts like a great teacher is the most important factor in terms of students achievement? >> there is a lot of disagreement out there in the education debates right now about are the most important in-school factors that impact student learning. for example, you'll have a lot of people who say it's all about the money. we need more money in order to fix education. >> gavin: you don't subscribe that more is better. you say we spend a lot across

this country compared to our peer industrialized countries and don't score. >> my point more does not always equal better. i say that having the experience of running the school district in this country who was spending almost more money per child than any other urban jurisdiction. >> gavin: with not a good outcome. >> not just a not good outcome but the worst. you can't just throw money in an existing broken system, you have to fix the fundamentals of the system in order for more dollars and resources to have the impact that you want them to have. i think the most critical thing in education spending is of all the dollars being spent and across the country we spend about $10,000 per child on education. only about $5,000 of that actually goes into the

classroom. into the schools. >> there is a huge unmet need, a huge desire for higher education that isn't met in the nation, in the world. it's really hard to get access to higher education without paying an arm and leg. so now i'm a man on a mission to change all of education. >> gavin: for those who may not be so convinced of the experience of online education you're taking it to a whole other level of interactivity. this is not just lectures, you're in a process where you're engaging people realtime. >> i recommend everybody spend five minutes and look at the physics class to get a feel of the activity. the most notable thing is indy brown. the first proffer who teaches who is not a real professor and

he's our best teacher. i'm teaching a competing statistics class and uniformly this kid almost, he's in his 20s, he's a better instructor. i think the old model of lecture, the old model of lectures you want to lose weight and you're going to watch the professor exercise? you put the student exercise front and center. people say in udacity they learn more. >> gavin: we're still saving the best for last. coming up, the next generation of tech leaders and their amazing new ideas. and very proud of that. >>beltway politics from inside the loop. >>we tackle the big issues here in our nation's capital, around the country and around the globe. >>dc columnist and four time emmy winner bill press opens current's morning news block. >>we'll do our best to carry the flag from 6 to 9 every morning.

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we're patrolling the area looking for guns, drugs, bodies. the cartel is so heavily armed the military needs everything they've got to go up against these guys. >> gavin: this final group of great guests mick me feel old. they're not founders and breakthrough innovations. they're all in their 20s and 30s. ladies and gentlemen, meet our future. where did the name yelp come from? >> well, he set out to create this new internet site about

finding local businesses. we thought what would be a good name for that. one of the folks working with us in the beginning said yel. it's like help, yellow pages it's short and memorable. we were able to buy the domain and went with it. >> gavin: what was the bad idea. >> yocal. a terrible name. it could be misspelled but i thought it was being shard with local yokel. i thought it was cute. >> you had the opportunity to sell out to all people google. it was reported that there was an offer on the table and decided not to go down that path. to hold on and finally go public. you've had a spectacular run. in contract to some of the others who came out at the same time that haven't done as well, what was the motivation when you

knew you could make some real dollars, go big then but to take the risk and go to the public option. >> you figure out what do you really want, for you the shareholders, the employees. when it came down to brass tax it really felt like we had this enormous opportunity ahead of us. at the time we had probably, i don't know, 10,000 or something like that local business advertisers in an ocean of maybe 2 million of them just in the u.s. alone that we could have signed up. it felt like we were just starting. we were just spreading our wings. and why not be independent? why not chart our own course? we were able to line up a partner who was able to finance us right at that time. ultimately we did go public and it's been a pretty good outcome so far. >> i think one of the important parts of failure is to learn from it. we have to figure out what we should learn from it and move

on. i think when i think about the mistakes we made over the years interestingly to me failure and pediatrician are inherently linked. there are times when your products have failed because they were not fast enough. and then it took forever to get your accounts linked up and it didn't work. we also saw things fail because the processes took too long and we missed a window. but the other thing that is interesting about failure and speed, failure is totally okay as long as you fail fast. if you can say, you know what, rather than spend three years of my life on this, spend three weeks of my life. the more you work on it, the more you want it to work. you--time is money. you throw good after bad right look we're going to make this work one way or another. you got to watch the speed factor.

>> gavin: i found it fascinating from your perspective speed you're not going fast enough. for a lot of people, oh, i went too fast. i was to i i am impetuous. >> yes, people have buyer's remorse? i always have non-buyer remorse. there are things i wish i had bought. if we're failing fast enough if we are failing, can we identify that and move on and do something successful. >> cenk: every why isuccessful. >> gavin: everywhere i go where uber is happening. >> our motto is everyone's private driver. you know that thing that only the ultra wealthy had was having a driver on call any time they

wanted to go anywhere, any time. we have that for everybody. and it's just get out your smart phone, android or iphone, what have you. push a button and five minutes a town car appears. >> gavin: this is taking off. you're growing at remarkable rates. where do you see yourself? is this the b and b type model. 92 countries in a few years 26,000 cities? is this something that can scale globally? are we at this point gps, this technology is going to allow for complete transformation of taxi cab industry as we know it? >> we're going to be radically changing transportation. we started up and everyone said how in the hell did that happen. and we didn't know, pretty soon

everybody wanted to get on our little private system so we opened it up. we didn't know it was going to work anywhere else. we rolled out another city, new york, a year later. we rolled out more and we haven't seen a city this doesn't work in. we're in london, paris we're going to be in asia as well. the sky is the limit so far. >> gavin: in 2005 you start a company, and you get in a business that not necessarily everyone is jumping into, that is managing people's information. allowing people to store their information, allowing access and collaboration of information. tell us about the inspiration and tell us about why this company in the work you're doing matters now more than ever in the world we're living in. >> yeah, sure. we started boxing in 2005 and the idea came around in 2004. i think it was your natural start-up story. we were completely bored in college and decided that the world needed an easier way to store their data.

>> gavin: seriously, you woke up one day and said, we need more storage space bob. >> did you say bob? >> gavin: i'm making it up. 20-year-old dillon, what hit you over the head? were you on a device and said, gee, what the heck is wrong with this? >> one, i had to do a class project that was related to just the internet and study of marketplace that you would go kind of analyze and figure out what is wrong with the market. what is possible to reinvent about it. i happened to choose being the really interesting person that i am i chose online storage as the market to identify. and why would that be an issue of a market to look at. at the same time you you're always moving around so different computers in the college environment. your work classroom your classroom computer, your dorm

computer some colleague's computer. and it was wildly inefficient way to move your data around. you're using thumb drives, and i had been building website so it was obvious to solve this using the internet. this came together and realized there should be a solution that was on a very simple way to put your data online. we called it box.net to specifically help emphasize that simplicity is a little box in the cloud. you can put all your data there and let anybody share and collaborate around that information. >> gavin: what will happen in the next five years? is the cloud the dominant force that will define the next few years? the big data overstated? understated, government intervention? government apathy in this space? what is your general assessment, regulatory assessment and trendline assessment.

>> yeah, certainly the regulatory environment has not caught up with the innovations and changes that has happened. even something as simple as our patent environment has not caught up to the speed involved in the marketplace. you can get a patent for something that tons of other people are working on and for obvious technologies and we don't think that will help spur innovation and capitalism and the economic growth. that's a small thing on the regulatory side. i would say that the trend is exponential. if you look at the maim frame to the mini computer, the mini computer to the pc, and then from the pc to mobile, and then mobile to cloud there is growth growth and now it's mobile and the ability to have mobile computing everything that we do. >> gavin: great to have you. >> thank you. the only thing i say to you, we

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