>> cenk: they did it again. mary joe white who has been nominated as securities exchange commission she said yes before we prosecute bankers we ask for permission. will it help the economy? will it help the bank shareholders? who gives a damn if it hurts the bank shareholders. did they ask you is it going to

hurt your family or your shareholders? no there's two separate sets of rules. we'll talk more about that tonight. right now "viewpoint" is next. stay right here. >> john: for the past few days rome has been a gathering of men, mostly in costume but now argentinian cardinal jorge mario bergoglio is now francis 1. i wish he would have kept the named jorge. they tried to use the old electronic voting machines but they had to stop because every time they voted george bush kept winning. that's not true. president obama tried the charm offensive on republicans who were offended by his charm. the only way you can get modern republicans to agree on government spend something to declaring war on the country that never attacked us. today is the birthday of earl

gray and adam clayton and j.p. morgan ceo jamie dimon. wouldn't it be great if all of we taxpayers got together and buy him a gift? we already did. this is "viewpoint." [ ♪ theme music ♪ ] >> john: good evening i'm john fugelsang, and this is "viewpoint," yes whether you're catholic or not, we have a pope. the white smoke billowed from the sistine chapel's vatican city just after 2:00 p.m. eastern time this afternoon. okay, it was just after 7:00 7:00 in rome. then with the pomp and ceremony that the vatican have mastered over the centuries the new pope took his place for the first time on the balcony of st. peter's.

it's new pope's first words were, i quote, as you know the duty of the conclave was to appoint a bishop of rome, and it seems to me that my brother cardinals went to fetch him eight the end of the world but here i am. here from argentina where the former cardinal jorge mario bergoglio was born to italian immigrant parents and became the first jesuit to serve as the archbishop of the country's capital, buenos aires. the pope francis is 76 years old and the first jesuit, and the first pope born outside of europe since gregory iii who died in 741. pope francis was considered a modernizer, a champion of the poor and a sharp critic of the economic house republicans have now adopted as their second religion. last year the cardinal attacked fellow priests for not tending

to the poor in the spirit of jesus. and he refused to baptize children born out of wedlock. as a champion of the poor and vulnerable among us he carries forth the message of love and compassion that inspired the world for more than 2,000 years. in each other we see the face of god. like his predecessor the pope is considered a traditionalist when it comes to abortion, and celibacy and marriage equality for gay christians. and he has been accused along with the rest of the argentinian church hierarchy with complicit with the country's vicious junta during the leftest in the 1970s. pope francis denied the charges. i'm delighted to be joined by

john shelby spong resider bishop whose latest book is "reclaiming the bible for a non-religious world," and i'm delighted to be joined by reverend dr. susan thislethwaite thislethwaite, professor of theology and former president of the chicago theological system near. her book is "occupy the bible." it's great to have catholics here to get an unique perspective in the church that i was brought up in. the catholic church is not known for its firsts in this day and age but we have two. the first pope to assume the name st. francis, and his origin the first pope ever from south america. bishop, what do you think of the significance of both of those things? >> the good thing is that he was a surprise. all of the people that you thought were obvious candidates would--you knew would carry on the same sort of traditions.

just to have a surprise is a statement that's forward. he also demonstrates negativeity towards pomp and circumstance which i think is terribly important. he lives in an apartment, not a palace. he cooks for himself. he drives public transportation bus--rides the public transportation bus. the medium is the message. we take our bishops cardinals or archbishops and put a thinly disguised crown a royal cape and a closure and a royal ring on their finger, and a medallan. we seat them in a share in the palace and then say we're in the ministry of servant hood. the medium violates all of those

values. this man still has the externals, but he clearly has made identification with the poor which we ought to applaud. >> john: to say nothing about the irony of living in opulence while serving a man who died homeless. >> yes. >> john: what do you think about him taking the name st. francis. >> i think it's a signal that he intends to identify with st. francis and who he was with the poor. i think it is important. this is religion. you're in the symbol business. you send a signal this is who i'm going to be. i was also cheered not only by all of the refusal of pomp and circumstance. appearing in just a simple robe. not all the extra embroidered garments this sent a message. but this is someone who in 2007 talked about the excess of

wealth. now it's true that this is not a liberation theologian, and he was definitely not a liberation theologian in the 70s. >> john: for those who are not familiar with liberation theology, can you let us know. >> yes it's a latin america movement, archbishop romero who was murdered by the death squad that identified as the poor being the poor jesus like the poor st. francis and that you get theology from that perspective. therefore sin was not just personal and individualic but social. you get someone who knows certainly sin andsocialsin and talks about it in 2007 i think he knows that. >> john: this cardinal did refer to unequal distribution of wealth as a sin. >> yes. >> yes. >> john: which is rather

telling. and can you bishop, tell us what you think about the significance of the jesuit status? >> i was also happy about that. i was going to say in the roman tradition, they saw jesuits as intellectual stars. one of the great things that not just the roman catholic church but all of christianity has got to embrace is most of the symbols of our faith tradition come out of a pre-modern world and they don't translate very well. we tell the jesus story in terms of there was a perfect creation from which we fell into original sin and god had to come in and redeem us. that didn't make much sense when we know we've been evolving and there was never a state of perfection and you cannot fall if there was no state of perfection. so original sin is out and the idea of external redemption is out, and you have to rethink all

the primary symbols of the christian story. that's exciting, and i hope he's able to do that. i'm encouraged by the signs. i'm not encouraged when i look at his social record. but i don't think it's possible for us to think that the roman cardinalsing, the college of cardinals could have elected someone who was not in the tradition of anti-gay. it's just too early. what he can do if--and he's 78. he's 76, it's not a long-term papice. but on the actuarial charts, if he's a pope for eight years that's a big "if." if you look at that time frame and what he can do in eight to ten years is to appoint more moderate cardinals. >> john: indeed. >> who will make a difference in the next election. and rome moves at a very slow

pace, but they do move. you know, every now and then you got a john xxiii out of the process. >> john: they do move, and full disclosure my father was a franciscan brother before he left to marry my mother who was a nun. so i feel heartened as a progressive. one of the things that you'll hear our progressive friends say why should i care about this? it's irrelevant. doctor you wrote a book about the bible. why do you think the american progressives should care about? >> the american progressives need to get on the stick about carrying about the economy. >> john: oh, they do. >> we have been really at the cutting edge on the social issues. i think less so in relationship with the economy in terms of economic analysis. you can barely get people to say the word class. i've been talking to a lot of progressives about the book.

i want to say in relation to what the bishop was saying, i don't think we have a ten-year horizon in terms of the child sex abuse scandal. everything else i totally agree with but it will be a major major disappointment if pope francis does not immediately move to address reining in, and better and healthyier sexuality among the catholic priesthood. that's a taller order but in terms legally and promoting a healthier sex all the child sex scandals come first. >> john: i couldn't agree more. i'm afraid we're out of time. i hope you'll both come back and talk about this man as his papacy unfolds and i hope there are things where progressives find this guy as an unexpected ally in their cause. one of my favorite authors and one of my favorite newest author

authors. the ref rend dr. susan htistlewaite.

[clucking]. everyone wants to be the cadbury bunny. cause only he brings delicious cadbury crème eggs, while others may keep trying. nobunny knows easter better than cadbury! >> john: welcome back to "viewpoint." it's time for our thing of the day. today it's the head slapping moment of the day. and it comes from an amendment proposed by senator ted cruz our future faith republican for continuing spending resolution. it would have funded the affordable care act. it failed by 45-52 with every republican in your senate supporting this amendment. did i forget to mention that if this continuing resolution doesn't pass in the next two weeks the government will shutdown but don't worry about the amendment delaying process the senate is phone for their ability to pass bills quickly and without obstruction.

it's easier to get a pope from south america. these day it seems a though everyone has a budget. exception the federal government. there's the paul ryan budget. there's the patty murray senate democrat budget. now there's the congressional progressive budget. we'll talk to representative keith ellison who is the co-chair of the congressional progressive caucus very shortly. and also there is the president's budget which has zero chance of being passed. and the president seemed to signal his resignation to this budget quagmire. >> ultimately it may be the differences are just too wide. if their position is we can't do any revenue or we can only do revenue if we gut medicare or gut social security or gut medicaid, if that's the position then we're probably not gonna be able to get a deal

joining us now top to does the budget battles on capitol hill we have congressman keith ellison of minnesota. thank you for joining us this evening. >> thank you. >> can you describe your budget and how that compares to some of the other budget proposals out there in congress. >> the budget is called "back to work budget." that says it all. it's about back to work. our budget, it's how many people it puts back to work. now debt and deficit are issues important for the outyears, and because we're bringing people back to work we'll address that issue. we get $4.5 trillion in deficit reduction over ten years. but our goal is to put people back to work. how do we do that? well, we listen to the engineers. they tell us $2.3 trillion worth

of infrastructure maintenance is needed all across our country. in my district we had a bridge fall into the mississippi river. let me tell you it's not just a matter of putting people back to work, it's a public safety issue. engineers tell us we need to invest in infrastructure, so we do. we do local government aid which puts police, fire, teachers different people who do important public service jobs at the local level back to work. and then we have the make work pay tax credit which help small employers hire people if they hire folks who are out of work, and i think those things together with the number of other investments help us put 7 million people back to work in in 2014. >> i think it's ironic that the congressional budget is more conservative than the conservative one.

it has little chance of ever being enacting. what are you gaining by putting it out there? >> we're fostering a progressive position for americans. we're helping americans see what it could be like if we put a budget together that included their preferences. now in terms of the odds of a budget being passed i doubt very seriously if paul ryan's budget is going to be the one that ends up being enact into law because the nat is not going to pass it. so we think our chances are pretty good. but let me tell you something the fact is that we're standing on our values. we're offering the american people, and we're going to organize around this budget. who are we to say that it won't? paul ryan is now offered to cut obama-care, which the supreme court affirmed, and which was voted on in the last election because that was romney's signature issue, he was going to repeal obama-care. so the fact that there is no chance of that even mike wallace

comedic said that has no chance of passing. the bottom line is he's not going to pass his budget, and folks have their doubts about ours but ours is clear transparent. we answer the questions it asks us. we put jobs first. we're unashamed about doing that and we do a lot of deficit reduction. so i think that at the end of the day our budget is the best budget. it is what should be enacted. if we base it on what the american people said they wanted. it's the budget they should have. our budget said we'll protect social security, medicare, medicaid. we're not going to cut them the way the paul ryan budget does, that's what we should do. we should never abandon our seniors, people who are living off survivor's benefits. >> john: i've looked at your

budget and there is a lot in it to get behind. i know republicans who would like to see a non-fiction version of the paul ryan budget. after listening to the president talk this week, about his willingness to accept entitlement reform. there are some who think we're better off with no grand bargain. >> yes, we're not going to tolerate a budget that introduces benefit cuts. we have 107 people saying we oppose these kinds of cuts. there is another letter the grayson letter who said they won't vote for anything that include these kinds of cuts. at the end of the day there is a lot of support for social security medicare, medicaid in the congress and in the senate, and across america. i think that while i support the president on so many things, we worked hard to get him elected that's something that is not

going to work out. >> john: do you think he means it or just negotiating tactics? >> we've been debating that subject, but at the end of the day i don't know. if the republicans call him on their bluff and they say we'll take that? then what. that's the problem for putting things out just to negotiate. at the end of the day we're not going to stand by for a chain cpi which is a benefit cut. and we're not going to stand by to cut healthcare on seniors. if you don't do something to lower medical costs it doesn't matter whether you throw the costs on the seniors or not they're going to keep on going up. we've got to hold medical costs down. it's medicare that's not the problem, it's expanding medical costs that are the problem. medicare is a great problem efficiently run and benefits a lot of people who are seniors and people with disabled. >> john: representative keith ellison of minnesota co-chair of the progressive caucus. thank you for your time and more

importantly for your service on this important issue. >> thank you. >> john: president obama continued his charm offensive by meeting with house republicans on capitol hill but for most republicans it probably did them more charm than good. this is why they left the meeting at separate teams when just being seen with the nation's president can get a good conservative congressman primaried by not so conservative groups. including club for growth who doesn't believe are right wing enough which means not conservative enough to support paul ryan's budget. the same one that has failed to gain any support from the majority of the sane american public leading any member of the g.o.p. with the position either don't support the ryan budget and you get primaried. or support it and get clobbered over the head with it by democrats in 2014. let's bring in someone who is all too happy to watch republicans squirm, the founder

and publisher of the daily kos your friend and mine, markos moulitsas good evening. >> good evening. >> john: good to have you. is there any chance to think that he has any success winning them over to the common sense approach and maybe drive a wedge between them? >> there is a problem as much as republicans whine and complain the problem is that obama is being mean to them. the problem is they're under the control of the tea party base that won't let them do anything on behalf of the country. they're fearing for their political lives. that's the number one concern on their minds not whether obama is nice to them or not. >> john: it will be fun to watch that over the next couple of years and decades but what do you think about the let's call them sensible members who find a way to compromise with the president, and the tea partyers who i'm surprised agreed to be in the same room. >> the tea party crowd, the club for growth, and the fact that

these guys have been so destructive to the republican party has cost them six senate seats in the last two election cycles alone. that's enough to switch control of the senate to the republican party. it costs the republican party the senate, and yet they continue to have influence. i know there are plenty of republicans who have a problem with that, but the problem is there is nothing they can do at this time. it encourages the crazy base, now they need to live with them. >> john: do you think the fear of being primaried by club for growth and other conservative groups that can force all republicans to get on board with the paul ryan budget? >> they may be on board. we've seen these issues in several votes already where the house has passed legislation based on majority democratic support, minority republicans, majority democratic support. you have a lot of republicans who want these bills to pass, and the reason they're even voted on is because boehner wants them to pass, yet a lot of these guys are voting no because

of that, they're afraid of the primary challenge. they're afraid to do the right thing for the country because they know if they do they're history. >> john: the conventional wisdom among democrats is that they don't mind for republicans signing onto the ryan budget because they'll smack them over the head with it in 2014. but i don't know how many moderates are paying attention to the contents of the paul ryan budget? will the average voter vote against the guy just because they voted for the paul ryan budget? >> one of the few things that republicans did in 2008 was to muddy the waters on medicare. and they accused obama of cutting medicare even though paul ryan's budget at the time included the same cuts and paul ryan bucket now includes those same cuts. what it does is reinforce the notion. republicans desperately need to change the brand. what this does is allow democrats to say--you don't even need to know the details of this

program. just know that the republican party you voted against, that's the republican party of today. they have not changed one bit and the paul ryan budget hasn't either. >> john: they seem to agree they need to change their brand but they can't come to agreement what that would look like. what about the g.o.p. moving on issues immigration, gun control, do you see any chance of compromise on any of these issues? >> i see very, very little chance. to me for they are retrenching. they just cut a bill to only use the filibuster under extraordinary situation yet they use it on every nominee obama puts up. this is a republican party incapable of reforming themselves. they don't like evolution in reality or in any sense of the world. they're not going to evolve. the only way they're going to change in 2014 the american public gets tired of it and votes them out in bigger numbers.

the american people isn't with them and nothing they're doing today is changing that fact. >> john: an i agree with you but my concern is that the g.o.p. seems to be more organized in getting out the vote. how do you think it will play out in 2014. >> well, as we saw in 2006 democrats are more than capable of winning big on a midterm election. what we saw in 2006 is that the democratic base voted. now the reality is that the demographics of this country there are more democrats than republicans. and midterm elections are election are particularly based elections. they were angry this was their way of getting back to democrats, we're not going to vote. if democrats act like democrats they do what they need to do, the base turns out there is no way they can lose. now the only roadblock we have is that the gerrymandering in

the house. we would to win the house popular vote by 6 or 7 points to take back the house. that's the institutional roadblock that we have to taking the house. as long as democrats turn out and as long as republicans keep doing what they're doing i think we're looking pretty good in 2013. the early points bear that out. all the endangered incumbents on paper are doing well. >> markos moulitsas, thank you so much. >> my pleasure. >> john: a governor so determined to cut taxes even costing his state $2.5 billion he still wants more tax cuts. ctf kansas coming up next.

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er. [ ♪ theme music ♪ ] >> john: okay, wtf america continues with the investigation in the wtf going on in kansas. today's story involves cutting taxes which republicans tell us is the only way you can improve

the economy. if by improve you mean bring the state close to the abyss of financial collapse. or as the kansas tea party calls it "livein' the dream." now kansas governor sam brownback pushed to slash his state's income tax rate and even some of his republican colleagues were worried that slashing the tax rate would slash revenues and cause a humongous deficit in kansas. the governor brown back's thoughtful measured response was to put his hands over his ears and say la la la, i can't hear you. i guess if all the schools in kansas close due to budget cuts, problem involved. thethey project governor brown back's cuts will add to up

$2.5 billion by 2018 just for one state. this is no big deal as long as you don't have any need in kansas police, firemen sanitation workers libraries and have no interest in ever sending your kids to a school. wtf, kansas. don't get me wrong. i like how you're demonstrating how tea party ideas don't work but i don't like how your citizens are going to be affected as a result. click your ruby slippers together and repeat, there is no place like reality.

>> john: welcome back. now suppose you're assaulted by someone you work with, and even if your attacker is found guilty, his boss can reverse the conviction. sounds crazy but that's how it can be done in the u.s. military. or imagine the more likely case that he never even goes on trail at all. and that he even gets promoted while you get kicked out for reporting his crime.

this also way too often has been the military way. that was the story as a senate armed services sub committee began hearings on sexual assaults in our military. one person testifying this morning was anu bhagwati, a former company commander at a school of infantry in north carolina. she witnessed a pattern of sexual attacks at the school and filed for an investigation against an alleged offender. it led to not her down fall in the military but hers. anu bhagwati. anu, thank you so much for seeking with us. >> thank you for having me. >> a small group of men were accused of conducting sexual attacks. were answer of them punished? >> no, when i was at the school

i was in charge of 400 marines. an incredible staff. it was an integrated staff. there were few women who were being sexual harassed or assaulted, and there was a major case, a staff sergeant who had been accused of raping or assaulting literally dozens of students was simply transferred out of the unit instead of charged and court-martialed. it really threw a lot of us for a loop. most notably the young students who were 18, 19 the years old. i don't know what happened to those students but i think back--i think about them a lot. i wonder if they stayed in. i wonder if they recovered while from that horrible time in their careers. the second incident, which affected me more directly was a lieutenant in my own unit was sexually harassing all the women. i filed an investigation against him knowing that it was a career

career-suicide for me because my ncos my enlisted troops could not do that. it would have been difficult because they were not officers to take that kind of action against the lieutenant. and the command literally ignored all the recommendations. this lieutenant was promoted, given command of my own company and it was devastating for everyone involved. we all got out because we were crushed by how our commanding officers our field grade officers treated this. but all those marines are still on active duty or they've retired out any trouble. >> john: it's devastating to hear, and more devastating to consider the amount of victims who don't come forward for fear of what might happen. can you outline the problems that assault victims face when they go public in the military? >> sure, very few report, which is part of the problem. it gives you an idea of what the

climate is like. most feel retaliation. they don't trust the system. we're talking about 86% of them according to the department of defense, that simply don't report. the crime is so intimidating. we have a help line where we get calls from women and men who have been harassed in a variety of ways. a lot of our clients that have been assaulted receive retaliatory diagnoses when they have depression or post traumatic distress which is clearly related to their rape or harassment. instead they're diagnosed with the imaginative diagnoses personality disorders things that could not have happened. they're pre-existing conditions that they wouldn't have been able to join the military if they had these conditions. and you see medical

professionals in the military retaliating against these victims for reporting and then they're kicked out of the system because you can't be in service if you have these extreme diagnoses. they're punished again. first they're punished from their rape. then they're retaliated against for reporting. then oftentimes depending on the diagnoses your v.a. limits are off limits to you. if that's not the case, if you're eligible for va benefits, we discovered that only one in three post traumatic disability claims relateed to assault harassment that's a smaller number than the post traumatic distress claims that are passed. and you heard how horrendous the claims process is to begin with. there is triple betrayal. first from their brother in arm. then from their unit and then from the v.a.

endless amounts of retriggerring of trauma, callous behavior, cruelty by the veteran affairs. >> john: it's appalling that they're victimized twice the second time being publicly shamed. you've brought forth damaging revelations, before we leave do you feel that the committee did seem to be going in a positive direction? did you leave feeling more hope for this? >> i left feeling more optimistic but we have our work cut out for us. this is the first time that they seriously discussed the reform, actually reviving uniform code of military justice instead of laws that governor justice in the military. removing authority all together from commanders and giving them to prosecutors, which is what the recommendation has been for quite some time. and that is perceived by the

military as huge step that is unreasonable. but from the perspective of the victim and advocate it is a straightforward recommendation. it's one that our common law allied countries have taken to improve sexual cases in position prosecution in countries like the u.k. and canada. we really need to think outside the box. unfortunately there are members of congress still and also military leaders who just don't understand the sense of urgency on this issue. it's one thing to say you care, but then we need the action to follow. we cannot just have 19,000 additional assaults every year continuing generation after generation. it's shameful. >> john: it's a burdensome trail to have to blaze i thank you for blazing it. anu bhagwati of the service women's action network. thank you for your service, and for the service you're performing for your country.

the shooting of a black teenager by new york police. once again relations between the police and the community crack. that's up next.

>> john: welcome back. now community in brooklyn continues to mourn tonight just days after the tragic shooting of a teenager at the hands of the nypd. as anger and frustration lead to protest and violence this incident shines a spotlight on the already existing tension between the community and those tasked with serving and protecting them. 16-year-old kimani gray was shot and killed by two undercover nypd officers saturday night after they claimed he pointed a gun at them. a loaded handgun was found on the scene but it remains unclear whether kimani gray was carrying the weapon at the time he was shot. what is clear is that the community is outraged. the vigil and march through brooklyn turned violent as a group of 30 or so marchers split

off from the group and looted a nearly rite aid pharmacy. commissioner ray kelly added. >> i don't think see it related to the demonstration. we run the risk of it happening again. >> john: joining me now, l. joy williams and elon james white and aaron rand freeman. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> john: whether kimani gray was armed. whether he belonged to a gang. we know he had been arrested in the past, but the specifics for this particular shooting is less important than the underlying anger that members of the community feel about this happening. i don't think anybody is

surprised when this happens. i think we're all sort of numb to that, but elon you were there, and you were at the protest the other night, what is the mood now and where do you think the investigation is going? >> well, the mood is of anger and frustration overall. when i got down there i went down when everyone was yelling riot. i went to find out what is happening myself. when i got there i didn't see the remnants of a full-blown riot. i saw glass broken and garbage thrown about, but not as we know as riots when things are on fire and destroyed. but the people who were still there, they were angry. they're angry because they feel like they're under siege. the nypd is not looked at as a helpful force in anyway, shape form or fashion. i ran directly into what was supposed to be a riot. i was not afraid of the people there. my fear was the people in riot gear. there were massive amounts of

them everywhere. that's what i was terrified about. that's a normal thing in brooklyn especially as being black in brooklyn. black male in brooklyn, we're taught as children to be terrified of the cops because otherwise young mothers would constantly losing their mothers doing some weird interaction with the cops. >> john: this sort of tension is not unique to brooklyn. >> no, it's across the country in places particularly in communities of color. and the frustration that elon is talking about, the anger, the fear, at this point we know more about kimani's background than we know about the officers and the actual innocent. there is still information being developed. there are witnesses coming out now saying he didn't have anything. but he did there was a gun there is still an investigation going on. but the underlying problem is that no matter the work that local offices may be dealing

with community leaders to build good will and police and serve the community they're in, all of that dissipates when you have a commissioner and a mayor who doesn't show any kind of compassion when these things happen. we don't have the commissioner and mayor coming out saying we don't want to see more of these deaths. we don't want our officers shooting and killing kids. that's never the narrative. the native is always one of showing the bad habits or the bad pasts of the victims and immediately defending the officers. i understand that there are times when you're a commissioner, and the officers, you want to protect them but you have to show compassion of the people you're serving. no matter what good will they may be dealing with, all that have dissipates when something like that happens. >> john: do you see that good will being put forth?

>> yeah, i'm in brooklyn. i do a lot of work there and there is real work. we have clergy councils, and councils work closely in the neighborhood with a number of officers. so there are sometimes in communities of color that direct action that happens. but that all dissipates and it's as a consequence of the shootings from those who are supposed to serve and protect. >> john: what do you see. >> they pick someone and dehuman dehumanize them. we're not at a point that our police department can admit that they harmed someone and that also this child is a human being. they're not at that point. this child is a criminal. our cops shot a criminal. that's how it is, our bad. >> john: of course its worth pointing out the loaded gun

found at the scene has not yet been tied to young mr. gray. >> they found a loaded gun. he has been arrested before, so the fact that a 16-year-old kid is dead, whatever. >> john: commissioner ray kelly said that the riot at the rite aid was unrelated to the march. but others said a riot is the language of the unheard. and he's suggesting more violence and rioting might occur this summer. >> i don't think that's exactly what he i was saying. >> john: please elaborate. >> actually that quote was from--i spoke to him directly. what he said was he wasn't surprised that this happened, and that they were expecting it to happen sooner. this was something that could have happened at any point in time when the whole neighborhood is ignored. he was talking about the fact that they don't even have a community center in a two-mile radius of the place. they've been begging for that. they want them to come in to the neighborhood so they seek that those in power care about the

neighborhood at all. >> john: how can those who care learn more and help. >> continue the coverage and pushing back against the coverage in humanizing the victims. despite someone's background, whether or not they deserve to be killed in that manner is the question. some individual cops feel also that they feel troubled for taking a human's life. we need to push back on the narrative that you should expect communities of color that just because they have a history they deserve to be killed. >> john: l joy williams, elon james white and aaron rand freeman. thank you for joining me. coming up next the f-bomb

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