>> bill: yes, you did. all of you regulars will recognize lisa ferguson who used to be our news anchor here until a couple of weeks ago. >> i did. >> bill: you are in town it's nice of you to stop by. >> yeah, thank you for letting me force my way in the door. >> bill: so now you are going to be the new anchor on nbc nightly news? >> oh, yeah, hosting the oscars is not -- >> bill: reach for the stars baby. [ laughter ] >> bill: any real plans you can talk about? i'm still working with "the young turks" and i'm just taking it easy. >> bill: when do we get some of that, peter -- time off the early -- >> next week. always tomorrow. >> bill: time off of the early-morning schedule. you are a great friend. it was great working with you,

and you'll also be part of the "full court press" team. come back any time. >> thank you. >> bill: we'll see you here again tomorrow. >> announcer: this is the "bill press show."

[♪ theme music ♪] >> hal: and here we are, day two, and think we're like a well-oiled machine at this point. >> i do too. >> hal: as harry anderson would say it came with directions that said do not add oil. >> we're an ikea shelve.

>> hal: yeah it's not that we are missing a screw it's those little wooden pegs. i have an entire desk that i build out of those little wooden pegs from ikea that i have saved from other furniture. remember when they would give you a little packet of glue. >> i don't. >> hal: that used to be a big messy part of it. anden that they realized there is a screw involved who cares. this isn't going to last any longer than the glue. now that you know how to assemble particle board furniture, let's go to the news with jacki schechner. >> brought to you by ikea. >> hal: that's right. [ laughter ] >> i don't know where to go from there. vice president biden is in vatican city today for the if i

recall installation of pope francis, he has a small delegation including nancy pelosi susanna martinez and the president of georgetown university. pope francis has pledged to serve the poorest, weakest, and least important. i was telling hal before the show he has us covered. the president will welcome inda kenny to the white house for a st. patrick day celebration. and then he'll take offer for tel aviv. rand paul are unfail a path to citizenship. and congress is facing another deadline, the house and senate need to agree on a plan that funds the government for the next six months and they have to do it before friday. without the continuing resolution, the government will shut down on march 27th both chambers also looking to use the

continuing resolution to soften the blow of the sequester, since those cuts are fairly arbitrary. we're back with more show, the well-oiled machine after the break. ♪ john fugelsang: if you believe in states rights but still support the drug war you must be high. cenk uygur: i think the number one thing viewers like about the young turks is that we're honest. i think the audience gets that i actually mean it. michael shure: this show is about being up to date so a lot of my work happens by doing the things that i am given to doing anyway. joy behar: you can say anything here. jerry springer: i spent a couple of hours with a hooker joy behar: your mistake was writing a check jerry springer: she never cashed it (vo) the day's events. four very unique points of view. tonight starting at 6 eastern. um, hello. these ugly stains are ruining my good looks and style. and good luck using that cleaner. excuse me, miss ? he's right. those are tough hard water stains, and that cleaner's not gonna cut it. truth is, 85% of us have hard water and many don't even know it.

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[♪ theme music ♪] >> announcer: ladies and gentlemen, it's the "stephanie miller show"! ♪ i'm walking on sunshine woe ho ♪ ♪ i'm walking on sunshine woe ho ♪ ♪ it's time to feel good ♪ ♪ hey all right now ♪ ♪ it's time to feel good ♪ >> hal: well here we are again. day two of filling in for steph and the mooks while they are on

vacation, and i think we are starting to build some steam. >> i do too. >> hal: it's hal sparks and jacki schechner adding a sense of gravitas. topic wise because of what is actually coming to a head in the political arena, and all of these things are fairly heavy issues, not the least of which being the stubenville verdict. did you see this candy crowley nonsense? >> yes. and papi harlow -- >> hal: yes, for those who don't know was a character scrubbed

from mark twain novels. she laments that convicted rapists might have trouble getting work in the future. >> yes, how devastating it is for them. >> hal: how horrible it is that football players be held to an equal standard with every other member of society. in that is one of the nuttiest aspects of this, is our attachment to sports in this country, which i -- i mean i -- much hay has been made act i don't care who your sports hero is your local pituitary project who you have taught to

lift weights and run in circles, i understand, you know building some more of moral ethic on that kind of ridiculous chasing of guys with a nine-year window of being an effective member of your employment group -- >> it's a shame you don't have an opinion on sports. >> hal: yeah, here is the thing there are so many guys over the year who can quote jake has 525 if he doesn't drop 1255, they are going to -- they will run off your ramble of this nonsensical statistics and then you go what is your kid's birthday again? and they go sometime around the summer. if it makes you happy knock

yourself out. >> so what is the component of this that frustrates you with regard to them being athletes athletes. >> hal: well it seems to be a factor. there has never been a chess team gang rape where the community has rallied around -- this guy won the science contest last year. >> but that has to be indicative of the way we are society wise. these are the kids that are partying and socializing. >> hal: i don't know i socialized quite bathe with my friends, and while i didn't drink or do drugs, i went to a lot of parties where there was dunking and other stuff going on, there were certainly kids knocking boot upstairs but it

was all consensual, and we had sports guys in our crowd, and nerds in our crowd and it was a nice mix of human beings. it just seems to me when you start going -- protected class about any particular group, and it seemed like to me that sport figures are the one area where you -- and it almost -- sadly there might be a back end to it in that okay we we're going to train certain kids to act like animals, and when they act like animals we can't be that surprised. it's our fault for turning them into -- well we did since the age of 6 put a helmet on this kid and tell him to kill. so rather than face that we just kind of pretend, you know, it doesn't happen and go this guy had a great future ahead of him running into other guys until he breaks something and can't run into other guys anymore and opens a car

dealership or gets a job on espn talking about other guys who run into other guys until their knees blow out. >> but i don't know that papi's commentary was so much into them being sports stars or her being in the courtroom to begin with and being too emotionally attached to what is going on. >> hal: but i think there is this level of respect -- if she was in a courtroom for that length of time -- and it certainly is extraordinary when anybody faces a long-term in jail or -- >> but they are not even. they are going to be cleared by the time they are 21. >> hal: well they will be registered sex offenders -- >> yeah, but they won't be

incarcerated -- >> hal: unless they decide that other charges apply, and it adds to -- they can go and we're going to charge this for this this, and this as well. >> but part of it is problematic that even though some news organizations actually did name her -- >> hal: cnn, fox, and i think msnbc pulled down the clip immediately. but cnn left it up and didn't even issue a statement. "think progress" had the clip up originally and didn't realize that mentioned her name in court. >> but the point being because she has no face -- there's no face to put on this crime, it makes her less sympathetic, i think -- >> hal: i don't think we need it. >> but you know what i'm saying i think the problem is there is too much focus on these guys because we can see them hear

them, break down they cry and that's why that is happening, i think. as opposed to there is no face on this woman. >> hal: i would argue that is often the case in rape trials in general, especially when it deals with a minor which this girl is, but when you get to the point where -- in any rape trial where you have a -- a situation where they videotaped it, and they have much -- they have copious amounts of pictures and video of what went on, the victim is represented, and she saw this. she was in court for this. she was in court for that part of it. so i would almost understand if this happen, the woman gave a testimony, but she was behind a screen, so they people couldn't take pictures even secretly something along those lines or they did it by video deposition but in this case the evidence was presented and she was

present for a good deal of that. and i just -- to me that's fine -- where you go i found myself very moved. i think everyone in the courtroom was moved -- but you have to keep in context the fact where was this whaling and gnashing of teeth when they were in the process of sexually assaulting this girl. >> yeah, they are not so much upset at what they did, so much as they are at being caught and punished. >> hal: and that's my issue. there are guys who do horrible things -- and women as well -- who are in court for doing horrible horrible things that arias trial -- >> there are plenty of people who have emailed me and gone what is this somebody? and i have to say i really not paying attention either.

>> hal: she shot her boyfriend, and blamed an intruder -- >> how is this any different -- because she's a semi attractive white girl? >> hal: that's exactly it. and there were a lot of nude pictures back and forth on their cell phones. get used to that in every court situation. i have a traffic ticket. you know exhibit b not only was i texting but here is my wife's boobs. well i can't convict him. look at those things they are beautiful. it's a crime we're all guilty of. so there is an element that -- and it was on its way, i think they were literally at the point where guys covering court stories running around, there are like six murders on this floor, which one are you going to take notes on?

and sketch? the pretty white girl who shot her jock boyfriend after they had been sexting all day. when we come back we're going to take your calls on this because it's a difficult issue to deal with of course especially when you are dealing with minors but the focus that candy crowley and papi had on how emotional these young men were when they were convicted, and their lives are ruined, and the poor -- >> they ruined their own lives. >> hal: right. there's a certain point whereas a reporter i don't know where you could leave that part out. their actions have ruined their lives for instance. because it is not aledged

anymore. if you are convicted of rape it is going to be rough to get a job or meet a girl in a bar from now on, as it should be. i'm hal sparks filling in for steph while she is away on vacation. right now i think she's in a mud bath of some sort, red wine and coal ash, i think is what it is made of. and jacki schechner is in the side car. >> announcer: join the party, 1-800-steph-1-2. ♪ the chill of peppermint. the rich dark chocolate. york peppermint pattie get the sensation.

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>> hal: welcome back to the "stephanie miller show." i'm hal sparks filling in. jacki schechner is here and of course chris and jim are -- well they -- they all scatter. >> yeah. they are not vacationing together. >> hal: yeah, it's amazing. it's -- they all become like -- like they are all north polarized magnets. [ laughter ] >> although i do feel there is some contact between them. like if they go too long without communicating somebody collapses. >> hal: that might be true. kind of like legs of a stool. >> exactly. >> hal: although i think jim is on occasion this could be a two-person stool see you later. [ laughter ] >> hal: 1-800-steph-1-2 the phone number toll free from anywhere, and we're certainly getting a lot of calls about this. but cnn is getting a lot of

attention about this. there was a petition started to criticize cnn's coverage of the stubenville rape trial. let's play what -- a piece of what candy crowley was saying. >> it was incredibly emotional, incredibly difficult to watch these two young men who were star football players, very good students literally watch as they believe their lives fell apart. one of the young men collapsed in the arms of his attorney, he said my life is over. no one is going to want me now. >> so he collapsed. did somebody rape him? >> hal: yeah that's amazing to me. during his collapse was he gang

raped by the people around him. >> and did anyone urinate on him. >> hal: and that by the way was papi. but the petition had reached 80,000 signatures of just a few hours directly about that. and this idea that they -- you know, good students, you know, star football players watching their lives collapse in front of them. realizing that they had destroyed their own lives is the language that you would use because they were participating in this. they didn't find out they had cancer like many people who watch their lives collapse around them and go i have no health insurance i have cancer and i have -- i'm going to lose my home because i don't have the ability to care for myself and fight this cancer at the same time. that's watching your life collapse. that's falling on the floor because you go i don't have any

options. >> and it's bothersome that she says things like they are star football players and great students -- like it matters? like your grades and your sport matter as you rape an unconscious woman. come on. like it really makes a difference. >> hal: right. and they have caught a lot of hell about this. this is really fascinating. and we're getting a lot of calling about it. this -- i'm curious to see where the callers are going on it. let's go to chad in illinois. >> caller: how are you doing hal? >> hal: good. >> caller: i just want to thank anonymous for shedding light on this subject. i would have never found out about it if it weren't for anonymous. and i think that -- you know, these boys deserved worse. there should have been more people charged. they deserved worse, and the way

that cnn is describing it, it's like they did it to themselves. i mean why are you going to have any sympathy for these boys when just think of what their mentality was when they were actually doing it. >> hal: i think everybody involved in this circle and -- parents, teachers coaches, need to do a real gut check on what level of participation they played in -- in creating an atmosphere where these guys didn't have a voice in their head that went don't you ever engage in this kind of behavior. and the upside of this may be -- and this -- i think you are right to think anonymous for this. because i follow anonymous on twitter, and because they are a group of hackers across the spectrum, it -- by no means means that they are all good but there are certain actions

they do especially around whistle-blowing type of ak activities that are so enormously helpful and it's nice to know they exist for that reason. and this might speak to your point, chad, that hopefully they will -- there are coaches across this country gathering their players and there's teachers across the country who are starting a conversation about this going there's antiic here that we as the, you know, franklin county flyers which was our team in my school in kentucky, you don't ever go below this line of behavior and remain on this team or in this group and if you ever do you know, that's it. you know, there's -- there must be an ethical standard put down.

>> but that aside, do you think that there's a chip missing somewhere that we're not teaching our young boys to be more republicanful of women. as opposed to having this girl pass out and having guys pick her up by her feet and hands and rape her and urinate on her, and they didn't turn around and say i'm going to put her in a bed and make sure she doesn't get sick and help her sleep this off. there in lies the man that is a man. >> hal: right. they mention very often in the media, which is they really brought up that she was passed out drunk. never for a moment going perhaps she had been rooffies, or drugged. so be that unconscious for that long that hard without throwing up and choking and being in that situation -- it reeks of it and that's -- across the board an

issue. we'll back with more on this. i'm hal sparks it's jacki schechner. more of your calls after this. bs'ing them with some hidden agenda, actually supporting one party or the other. when the democrats are wrong, they know that i'm going to be the first one to call them out. they can question whether i'm right, but i think that the audience gets that this guy, to the best of his ability, is trying to look out for us.

♪ ♪ over the mountain ♪ >> hal: welcome back to the "stephanie miller show." >> good morning. >> hal: clearly hal sparks is filling in. otherwise there would never be any ozzie with the dearly departed randy rhodes not the progressive talk show host the queen of afternoon progressive drive all over this dear count think, no the randy rhodes that she actually took her name from randy rhodes who was the guitar

player for ozzie osborne, and ozzie has hired a photographer to take pictures of the tour bus and the pilot was shady and crashed the plane into the side of the bus while randy was sleeping it in and killed him. >> oh, i didn't realize that. >> hal: interesting enough. teeny tiny little guy. >> ah. >> hal: and if you ever watched him play guitar, it was like watching a toddler get one of those inflatable guitars and play. we're dealing with a very serious topic, obviously and we have a lot of calls on the line. everybody who is on the line make sure you get to your point because there is really a bunch in there and i want to make sure everybody gets in. let's go to dana in maryland. hey, dana. >> caller: hey guys i kind of

got cut off yesterday, i don't mean to be a hog on the phone. just a few quick points. she is getting death threats this young girl, and threats to beat her up threats to rape her again. one of the tapes she showed one of the guys saying dude what if it was your daughter and the other guy said if it was my daughter i would just assume she was dead. and they are just horrendous and stupid. when i used to go to party hal, like you were speaking of that would never happen. and me and my girlfriend would always have a buddy system. i would never let that happen to my girlfriend, and apparently they were kind of telling her not to report it which is a shame. >> hal: right. >> caller: and the catholics are all up in arms because biden

took communion and he is pro life, and they get to take communion for molest boys so i just -- i think our world is bathe of a mess, you know -- >> hal: i wouldn't necessarily take this as indicative as the world as a whole. i think we make a mistake when we allow people who act this extraordinaryily disgusting to somehow distait what our society is. because that night there were parties all over this country with teenagers who were maybe even drinking, maybe even trying drugs, and none of them raped anybody. >> caller: exactly right. that's what i'm saying. we had parties too. >> hal: yeah you single -- >> caller: whatever, but never -- you would never rape somebody and i mean -- >> hal: and nor would you. again, this -- the reason we're dealing this as an extraordinary piece of news is because it is.

>> caller: they don't have a conscience. >> hal: and is that because they are taught that -- >> caller: i don't know. but i would never let that happen to anybody. and they are looking to prosecute the people sending the death threats. >> hal: yes. and let's go to mike in florida. hey, mike. >> caller: hi, hal, hi jacki. >> good morning. >> caller: there might have been a misunderstanding at the second party, but when they dragged her to the second and third-party there was no doubt in anybody's mind. and there were a culture of adults saying they wouldn't go to jail.

>> hal: yeah i think there's certainly something to that in that you are aware of a crime being committed and you don't report it, there has to be at some point -- you know if it qualifies as a racketeering thing because you are -- it's a conspiracy to hide a -- you know, what would be -- it's not a capitol crime but a high order crime, i'm quite know the legal definition of that, but anything above grand theft or regular assault aggravated assault for example, conspiracy to hide that, and your awareness that that happened, maybe be a prosecutable offense, so that's something -- >> caller: the adults were telling this little girl, don't report this. >> hal: yeah, and what is new about this ultimately culturally in a historic sense is the fact that the rest of us are going wait a minute no you do report this. you do go to jail for these kind

of things. our insistence that this behavior is not okay. what is new about our society is that when candy crawl mrilyowley says something like this there is a reaction. what isn't new is the people saying she should keep quiet, because our society ran on that behavior for melinia. there was an idea that -- look to india right now, look to how rape victims are treated in parts of the middle east which is the root of our abrahamic traditions, they all come from the same family same idea about women -- >> the punishing of the victim. >> hal: right exactly. and you get -- and i really appreciate the call, mike. it's an excellent point as far as the culpability of the other

people involved by simply not doing the decent thing which is saying, a, protecting this girl in the first place from this act, and b, if you know about it report it. >> it seems like zero gray area she was passed out to the point that people were joking that she was dead. so there is no gray area. so where in your mind do you look at somebody who is passed out to the point of being unresponsive and say instead of helping take care of this person or nuture this person in some capacity as a fellow human being, i'm going to molest them? where does that happen? >> hal: let's go to diane in tennessee. >> caller: i can't believe i'm talking to you, so i'm a little nervous -- but my son is an

athlete, and i was an athlete back in the day, but it's all about entitlement and pack mentality, and to be raised with a sense of entitlement, and so the victor goes the spoils and apparently this girl didn't have any kind of school rank like cheerleader or something, so therefore she didn't really matter, and it's just a girl anyway, and we still in society say things like oh you throw like a girl, or you are being such a woman about that meaning you don't really matter. >> hal: absolutely. i think you'll be want to find a true homophobe who doesn't have a girlfriend with a black eye in his past. it's a disdain for the feminine, or anything associated with being feminine but this idea that anybody who would be in the non-male role in their mentality

is somehow less than. >> caller: yeah. >> hal: so behavior towards that person is allowed and to some degree expected i think is the way you are head i think. >> caller: yeah, and i noticed over the years that it's no longer, quote unquote, okay to make fun of gay people but it's still fine to make fun of girls and say she is drunk so she's asking for it, always and as an athlete you get that. that's what you aspire to in school. don't be an a student big deal but if you can get on a football team, and no bench warmer has ever committed crime apparently. because it's always a star athlete, they are great in school, and blah blah blah, like that. >> hal: yeah when it comes to this type of thing there is a lot of playing that up, you are absolutely right. thanks for the call diane. we have time for a couple of

more calls. gail in california. hi, gail. >> caller: hi i'm a legal nurse and i have been doing trauma cases for 40 years. she was represented in court. she testified before a judge. this was a non-jury case. there has been a grand jury convened to look into all of the things that the previous caller asked about. but what happened after everybody was blitzed okay, and i mean everybody at these parties were blitzed and kidnapping was involved, because if i keep you somewhere even lock you up in your bathroom that is technically kidnapping. so they moved her. they put her in a car without her consent. the only people that did the right things after the fog cleared, okay, the guys all went with no remorse. >> hal: uh-huh. >> caller: no -- no comment went oh, my god what did i do?

>> hal: uh-huh. right. >> caller: and she did the right thing. let's give great kudos to the 16 year old who had the courage to report this. >> hal: right. >> caller: this is so under reported it's amazing because of what society does to women. and over this crime and it drives me crazy. i mean just we see this every day -- i see this on my or table -- i had a woman who was tied to a tree for five days and hit with a baseball bat from head to toe by her husband. so this happs every day, and it is predicated with we are less. it started back to what they coveted. the reason the covet ended up on the big ten, i'm jewish i can say this, they decided that there would be no peace as long

as somebody could come in and mess with your wife. didn't matter how well the markets were going, whether you were having war, if there was no consequence for messing with your wife, then boom war would end up going on in the community. so we got placed under property. they can't touch your guns or your wife >> hal: uh-huh and on the same level. it's -- thank you for calling in, gail. i appreciate it. we have to take a break. when we come back we're going to -- you know, we have a few more calls around this issue, but also the -- i -- i think it's important to note that we are in a transition as a society towards, you know, greater rights and -- and social ability for women in this country. we have been pushing forthis and

it's relatively new on a worldwide historic scale, and localized to this and a few other westernized countries, specifically, you know, this idea is shaking off an -- a greater idea that's been sitting on everybody's mind for a long time, this -- our history has -- is -- is bathed in blood and in violence on a lot of different issues but when it comes to women there is a point where we are reaching a crest i'm hoping and that's why this is -- i think achieving so much -- getting so much coverage in this regard, but ultimately if -- politicians need to know when we talk about equal pay something as simple as equal pay, the -- the negating of something as simple as equal pay

has a -- like a trickle-down effect for lack of a better phrase -- to a lessening of value. the simplest most baseline of course you lifted that i moved it to here -- >> we should make the same amount of money for that act. >> hal: and the fact that politicians on a regular basis deny that -- >> how about female politicians deny that. >> hal: oh even still. but that has an effect much like when you denigrate gay marriage to another adult and you say -- you are yelling as a right-winger about, you know, gay people should not have the right to get married to this adult person that you have a problem with, and you think is a sinner your own belief system when a 15 year old gay kid hears it, they think their world has no future. that's how -- that -- there's no

one without the other, and -- and i think we need to start dealing with the big issues as well. it's not enough to fight for teach kids not to rape, you know, which should be a common sense idea teach them a baseline ethic that you would never attack an unconscious person and sexually assault them, but raise the bar even higher. >> we haven't had the porn conversation yet have we? >> hal: no. >> we should do that too. >> hal: absolutely. 1-800-steph-1-2 the phone number toll free from anywhere. i'm hal sparks filling in for steph while she's away on vacation. in the third hour today we have katie speak calling in to talk about rand paul's personhood amendment that he wants to put in, and a couple of other issues, but this obviously is a huge conversation, the phones are blowing up. 1-800-steph-1-2.

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♪ >> hal: welcome back to the "stephanie miller show." i'm hal sparks filling in for steph while she's away on vacation. and there's -- we have been discussing the stubenville verdict some but we have been dealing with the social impact of what is attached to it and i think the conversation really was kicked into high gear by the fact that cnn amazingly and with a level of insensitively

sided -- arguably sided with the rapists. i mean they really did. i mean there is no other way to put it i don't think. candy crowley, and papi harlow should be ashamed of themselves. >> uh-huh. >> hal: and i think they need to offer an apology if they believe they were misheard, and if they still stand by how they want to report on these kind of things in the future then they shouldn't operate as reporters. if you want to operate as a opinion journalist that's fine. but pop pi is supposed to be their court respondent, same thing with candy crowley. >> i'm working for news for next hour, but i used to work for cnn. i was there for almost three years. i had done a report on the 9/11

truthers. i went on air and reported that there was some belief they came back and squawked afterwards and said theyer in said that, and though i never had to issue an actual apology on the air, cnn made me refrain that. there was such an uproar from that little community at the time they was required to kind of repeat and refrain. if the higher ups at cnn were worked up about that why are they not demanding an apology for this. >> hal: right. interesting enough. when you talk about the sideline aspect of we -- we raise football players and sports figures to such a high level for really nothing that's ethic based. none of the decision making in the act of performing their job

is something that you would get in an ethical knock on the shoulder for it, nice work, kid. >> uh-huh. >> hal: there is nothing that happens during a football game per se that you are not supposed to do regularly as part of your job. oh, he really saw that guy was open and passed to him. great. that's what he is supposed to be doing. at no point did he run towards the guy and not hit him because he thought that guy's head is cocked to the side maybe i better not take him out. if anything he probably hit him a little harder hoping to take him out of the game. i have nothing against pro athletes as it were, but i certainly don't elevate them. it's amazing to me that people would knuckle pass a solder to

get to a football player in any circumstance. they'll drive by a homeless vet on their way to work or their way to get tickets to see, you know, a sports guy. >> uh-huh. >> hal: musicians, artists, writers, whatever, present an ethic whether you agree with it or not, and in the course of their job express who they are, and you get some level of that from them. sports is almost completely outside of that. team effort is in and of itself not something you get extra points for. that's literally the job. so how we elevate them is the amazing point to me. but this false parity cnn has always had a problem with. i think this is that same act. cnn is so interested in both sides of something even when there is not both sides -- >> yep absolutely. >> hal: we'll be right back i'm

hal sparks filling in for stephanie and the mooks while they are away on vacation. and jacki schechner bringing you the news you can use.

[♪ theme music ♪] >> hal: it's amazing how much news is actually going on. yesterday being the ten-year anniversary of the beginning of the iraq war, and a new -- bbc releasing this new study slash new special on it that quite frankly we knew that saddam hussein had no weapons of mass destruction from the downing street memo to all kinds -- to

anybody that listens to this show, nobody is surprised. but ten years after we're looking at $2.2 trillion in actual mechanical costs and probably $3 trillion in lost gdp and all kinds of other losses -- >> and a tremendous amount of wasted fraud. >> hal: ridiculous. >> yes. >> hal: and that's just this week. this -- this week ten years ago trucks rolling in shock and ah bombs going off all over, you know working their way in bagdad, straight bombing and -- i mean remember ten years ago this week what it was like and it amounted to nothing. >> yeah, i think we're a little desensitized too, and that's a problem. >> hal: it's amazing. jacki has got plenty -- >> yeah, a little bit of news.

unfortunately a mortar explosion in nevada last night killed seven marines and injured several others. a 16-millimeter shell went off. but authorities are saying this is not related to the ammunition that is stored at that facility. a rare thing is going to happen for about an hour and a half tonight. president obama and vice president biden will be out of the country at the same time. this is a security risk we don't usually see. god forbid something would happen to both men, the next in line to take over the white house house speaker john boehner. and the annual easter egg roll may crack under the pressure of lack of funds. see what i did there. >> hal: uh-huh. >> the 135th annual celebration

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stories and making them cut. >> and i did for national new tradition month make wasbi almond covered in chocolate. and they are wonderful. travis suggested she try it with wasbi i tried them over the weekend they are delicious. >> hal: and i actually cooked my own -- i made eggs in a hole you know? >> oh, yeah. >> hal: and use olive bread, and then i use -- this is a trick if you ever make eggs in a hole and you have a kid in the house, it's a great way to do it, or

your significant other, use a cookie cutter and use a heart if it's your girlfriend or boyfriend or a moon or star or something, and it's kind of fun. >> that's very cute. >> hal: yeah, i do that, and obviously it's like a two ice taes morning, because i have energy drinks in a pile over here. like spinach tins in an old popeye episode. so the tenth anniversary of the iraq war and the republicans release their policy document. and the only swift is embracing comprehensive immigration reform. which if you recall george w.

bush campaigned on and it is abc as much a republican and democratic idea any ways so this idea that somehow, oh they are coming around on immigration. no they are not. they are just going back to a position they had abandoned. >> but if they do any research they would find out that hispanic voters are most concerned about general economic issues, health care, jobs -- >> hal: yeah, but republicans aren't -- so they have to sell it some other way. >> right. they are concerned about immigration but not more concerned about immigration than they were about general economic issues or issues that effect the community, and the fact that the republican party appears to be pandering by -- by stereotyping the community to the point if they get in on this immigration thing, hispanic voters are going to enmass some over to the

republican party is what is so small minded about it. >> hal: it is embarrassing because the president comes out specifically and wants to make at it priority. he runs on it. they make a real genuine outreach to the latino community, they -- i mean from sonia sonia sewed major to perez, they basically attack on perez on the premise that he help minorities more than he help white people because look at him. and i'm going to play a clip from jeff sessions who i believe his middle name is bullregard. bullregard sessions the third. he is not the third, he's the

thir because that's the sound that his empty skull makes when it hits the pilla every not. i try not to make fun of people for something they can't change. anything you can alter about yourself without surgery or extrordanaire effort, like your behavior, or being over or underweight -- but if your ears are extra big and pointy that's not your fault. that's nature. but in -- in jeff session's thing he actually grooms himself to look more elvin.

i'm convinced. like paul stanley of kiss has a funky ear so he grew his hair long and that's how he became a rock and roller because he was started hanging out with the long ears -- because one of mine is lower than the others -- >> and that's what everybody notices about you. >> hal: but jeff sessions himself i think he wears rouge to make himself look a little more wizard of ozzie. >> all right. let's come back around. >> hal: all right. total republican rebranding is happening in the process. you have the iraq war, and news coming out that is clear that we entered iraq on false pretenses, the entire thing was ginned up from every

possible direction from colin powell's speech in front of the un which was total crap at the time, and it was also that he was was coersed in making that argument. >> and it is definitely safer in bagdad now. >> hal: yeah, and following the story that michelle shocked the '90s singer who had two songs i didn't like back then and wouldn't like now, who has had a decent -- showed up at an occupy event, and apparently became evangelical a few years ago, and when she was doing a show in san francisco this weekend, she went on an anti gay diatribe saying

the world will end if gays can get married. >> she is taking a page out of the republican play book. >> hal: yeah, and after the election when mccain said you people are to -- yeah. but in following that story, i mean i found -- probably the most important news story of the year, uk salon owner accused of only hiring fat gay hair stylists. a british hair stylist has filed a discrimination suit claiming he was a sexist because he doesn't want to hire women because they get pregnant. who doesn't have hair stylist

fantasy, because they are leaning in -- i have been caught staring a couple of times -- and i have a very pretty hair stylist. >> yeah, i like my hair stylists but don't have a desire to engage with either of them. >> yeah, her name is dossy and she is terrific she is leaning forward, and you are like, i think your boob is on my forearm. [ laughter ] >> hal: i think it's actually right on my forearm. >> a lot of men i know go to hairdressers that happen to be very attractive women -- >> hal: right. it's all right. but i -- i just think t it's a horrible story. >> and that is our non-sequeter news. >> hal: that's right. i don't have a fart button that

i can use in particular -- >> but that would have been a good transitional noise -- >> hal: drop your shorts and ben over mr. labar. >> hal: that's the best i can do. >> i think in your head there was a weave? my head there is always a weave as far as issues go. so this rebranding comes out, and the republicans have decided that it's -- they don't have an issues problem. they really don't. they really honestly believe that everything that they are trying to legislate as far as limitations on -- on gay rights and on women's rights and on their -- their failed economic policies that for the record have never worked not ever and every time a republican president gets in and tries use them, it craters the economy,

every single time and bush was the most egregious obvious example of that but even ronald reagan had to raise taxes seven times due to the fact that their other policies were shrinking the middle class. now when i say their economic policies are unsuccessful, that's because from my point of view, i want a healthy, thriving middle class. the progressive side of things liberals in this country, while we certainly care for the poor, we don't do it at the exclusion of the middle class our the exclusion of millionaires. but the middle class has been squeezed so horribly by the -- the -- you know, the promise of trickle-down economics and the chicago school of economics it just -- i mean from -- something as -- the heavy side of it and the shock doctrine, to the crap idea that

somehow if you just let the job makers not pay taxes they will hide all of their money in vegas rather than the cayman islands and we'll all live off of the interest it's absurd nonsense that it's the bootstrapers and that anybody who finds themselves with cancer is just lazy ultimately in some way. it's their fault for having a crap immune system and not bag productive member of society. it's amazing to me. but the point i'm trying to make is none of it works, and yet they decide they just need a new rapper. >> yeah. >> hal: and i don't mean like fit-ty. i mean a new product design. >> yeah, they are not interested in tweaking their policies to something that may or may not be more effective. and i would even be open to

trial and error. if they want to float something that may not work but it's new, go ahead float it. i'm good with that. but this is a doubling down tripling down, quadrupling down on the same stuff that we know doesn't work and at the same thyme trying to shine it up, shining a turd. >> hal: right. in this case that's what they are trying to do. and reince priebus gives this speech which was kind of an amazing confession of where they found themselves, but like the ebb of the movie american psycho, you know, they have learned nothing. it seems to me that they have just learned nothing. and then there fight comes out between reince priebus and michael steele. did you see that? >> i did not. >> hal: it started with reince priebus kind of -- like crapping on steele's time at the rnc.

let's play track ten. this is reince priebus talking about michael steele. >> for quite a while we talked into the rnc, both credit cards of the rnc were suspended. this is before i walked in. just think about this for a second. you have one of two of the biggest national political parties in the world that have both credit cards suspended. >> are you saying that former chairman steele ruined the party financially? >> i'm not going to go there. listen, i think the numbers speak for themselves. >> hal: oh snap. so michael steele responded to that one which -- which was an interesting -- i -- you know turn of phrase -- track 11. >> that's the problem i won and he didn't. >> oh. >> hal: yeah, at least the money he spent even if he spent more

than he had, he won seats. and reince priebus just -- >> this is the balance the budget for the sake of balancing the budget argument we have to make all of the numbers match up no matter who it hurts -- >> hal: or the quality that comes out of what you are doing. we'll be right back on the "stephanie miller show." and at some point we're going to have to deal with the right-wing news and the fact that hillary clinton came out fully for gay marriage yesterday. >> yeah. >> hal: this is some good stuff coming up. we'll be back right after this. >> oh, my god, this is so amazing. it's all anybody in my class is talking about. >> announcer: it's the "stephanie miller show." ♪ break the ice

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♪ i talk to them every day ♪ >> hal: welcome back to the "stephanie miller show." i'll hal sparks with jacki schechner. talking about the rebranding of the republican party. now, or the lack thereof, that's the thing is that -- is it even possible at this point -- let's go to joe in lockport. >> caller: hey, hal. the brand will never work period. >> hal: right. >> bill: bottom line is you cannot take a store brand's fabric softener and turn into it boun downey. it is never going to happen. we have a permation of fraud in

this party. it has done everything in its attempt to take away the vote from people. it has done everything in its power to take away women's reproductive rights it has done everything in its power to gerrymander things so we can vote by a million and a half more people and still have a republican congress. >> hal: right. absolutely. and that's the point by the way, if they could really win on what they actually believe they wouldn't have to rebrand at this level. they certainly wouldn't have to gerrymander to do it, and they would be able to convince people through the policy and how the policies when they are put in place affect things people go they tried that and it was very functional on let's say a state level someplace, but it never is. and all of the states where they try it end up taking more federal money than they give, and living off of the blue

states which apparently are full of progressives who don't know how to run business. >> caller: well the thing is is that this party is for the people with the money not people that actually need the money. >> hal: right. >> caller: and as long as they can divide it -- in 2000 it was the gay people with all of their state amendments. in 2004 it was the war, you can't change horses. that was built on a fraud. in 2008 it was he is not an american. in 2012, it was let's keep the people away from the polls that we don't want there. >> hal: that's what i mean. it's now no longer a fight about ideas from their point of view. because their ideas for lack of a better phrase that dog won't hunt. they just can't get it off the

ground. thanks so much for calling in joe. that's an excellent point. i want to play a bit -- because they tried this rebranding. rob portman comes out and says he is for gay marriage after his son comes out. hillary clinton does not have a gay child, and comes out in support of gay marriage. what is the difference? which person is taking the higher ethical stand? the one who goes now they know somebody who is gay, and that i'm related to them then i'm going to let it happen because it's my kid, but in -- yeah in -- in hilary's case it's just the right thing to do. >> i would argue that clinton should have done it sooner. >> hal: i agree. but was the country ready for it? do you help by getting ahead of the issue. >> i'm ready. i have been ready for a long

time. >> hal: we'll be back right after this with the answer to that very question on the "stephanie miller show." ♪ commercials? those types are coming on to me all the time now. (vo) she gets the comedians laughing and the thinkers thinking. >>ok, so there's wiggle room in the ten commandments, that's what you're saying. you would rather deal with ahmadinejad than me. >>absolutely. >> and so would mitt romney. (vo) she's joy behar. >>and the best part is that current will let me say anything. what the hell were they thinking?

♪ >> hal: welcome back to the "stephanie miller show." oh, dog man, pillow such a great song. doug pennic is one of the most ridiculously talented human being in this world, and if you don't own all of his solo albums don't come up and talk to me in public. i'm sorry. >> otherwise you are more than welcome to come up and say hello. >> hal: yes, you can wave from me across the parking lot --

>> or make funny faces from your car. >> hal: yes. charlie pierce is with us i'm going to tell a story about seeing the lovely and talented jacki schechner in traffic. and her thinking i'm some random dude. she didn't recognize me from two feet away. [ laughter ] >> hal: charlie pierce is with us. let's play his theme song because he should. >> stephanie: there is only one in america now that understands, and that's -- ♪ pierce ♪ >> hal: charlie pierce how are you sir? >> jacki blew you off, huh? >> hal: she gave me the -- the all right, buzz off creep look because i was like making funny faces because we were in traffic, and if you ever see a friend in traffic and you act

like a nut case or you give them the finger acting like they cut you off. i do that with all of my friends. i look over at jacki and i pretend to pick my nose or something like that, and she gives me this who are you, look? [ laughter ] >> what is really fun is when it turns out you have a friend that looks just like an undercover cop and you flip them off. that's hilarious. >> hal: yeah, i do have a lot of those friends. and then when they try to move their way up the ladder they go how do you know hal sparks? it's weird. your latest article is called "the show that never ends." right when republicans are trying the rebranding effort voila, here comes perez, getting

put up for labor secretary -- >> yeah, and now -- and now he's going to get pounded because he will be a labor secretary who is actually interested in like labor. and we simply can't have that. >> hal: he is supposed to be a corporate ceo who is known for outsourcing. >> right. or someone who feels very strongly both ways. >> hal: right. right. who will never do anything because he feels so strongly both ways. >> and they'll go back into his work in the justice department into his work against voter suppression. that's how they will rebrand themselves, go after him for trying to stop their efforts to suppress minority voting. >> stephanie: yeah. for those of you who haven't seen the article you can go to esquire.com/blog/politics, it's called "the show that neveren

ends." we can assume he would be a labor secretary working on oh i don't know, the problems involving workers, and my friend that is simply not done. >> right. you remember the new black panthers? >> hal: right. >> those two men that so intimidated that one white woman that she was talking on her cell phone and waving at the camera. >> hal: right. >> he was involved in that he was involved in the voter suppression efforts in florida. he was involved in section 5 of the voting right's act which is currently under review and i suspect under destruction by the supreme court. >> hal: yeah there is nothing he

hasn't tried to untry for them. and it's stunning -- it's interesting to me. it's a good sign that this is a guy that the president would choose for this job. this is one of the area where progressives and liberals would feel really good about oh i'm glad the president -- much like elizabeth warren this is p someone you can back and feel good about backing. >> it is interesting because this is something on which i have written a column for the esquire magazine, and susan rice is the exception that i think proves the rule. the one thing this president does, if he puts someone up he stands by them. >> hal: right. >> i suspect he won't tell this guy to go spend more time with his family. and are there a few republican

senators who think maybe it would have been a good idea to let elizabeth warren have that job instead of letting her run for senate. >> hal: right. specially since she is raising hell for them. >> she is lighting somebody on fire every week now. >> hal: it's amazing. and asking questions you are not supposed to ask, she is terrific. and they could have never heard from her except for an occasional press corps briefing. >> yeah, and pop up on the daily show or msnbc complaining about her agency not being funded, but that's all they would do. noo -- >> hal: yeah. >> and the other thing that is happening is hague sell doing some interesting stuff. i mean he came out as very dubious on that medal they were

going to give the guy that flies the drone. he has been a grunt, the first enlisted infant tryman to become secretary of state. if you have done that and you see guys getting medals for essentially playing video games, that's going to rub you the wrong way, and i think it's an indication of his sensibility right away. >> hal: and it is also one of the sticking points it's higher in rank and value than the purple heart. the drone metal that you get for flying one successfully for whatever that means ultimately is a higher-ranking metal, a better one to get than a purple heart where you are actually wounded in battle. >> right. and i think actually chuck hagel

who has a couple of those is rightly -- not to mention still having shrapnel in his chest, is a perspective you wouldn't have gotten if you were somebody from outside -- robert mcnamara kind of performance analyst. >> hal: is this a strategy by the obama administration and obama himself because you have the secretary of defense who was a grunt, secretary of state who was on a gun boat and ultimately exchanged fire with the enemy in vietnam, these are probably the first of their kind to reach this level -- >> and i think it's -- it's quite revelatory that we have

these guys in these positions going into the tenth anniversary of iraq. >> hal: right. and is this a specific choice of this president as opposed to a happy accident. if we goes maybe if we have guys who were involved in war on the down side of it -- >> on the delivery end. >> hal: right. maybe their decision-making procession will be slightly more educated? >> yeah, i think there are a couple of things. i think hagel got nominated at least in part because a lot of the job of the secretary of defense going forward is going to be caring for the people who fought the two wars and having somebody who served the way he did is a good idea. and kerry was the obvious choice once the other thing blew up. >> hal: even before. but i also think it points to -- because he was always a

good idea for it even with or without susan rice. he apparently wanted it it was not a -- obviously i think one of the reasons that republicans were so happy with it because they felt they could get an open seat to shoe horn scott brown back in. but here he is picking people for big cabinet positions that are uniquely qualified for the first time. >> yeah, and i think -- you know -- i mean i don't want get entirely sidetracked on this not on a day when mark sanford is back on the ballot -- >> hal: yeah. against stephen colbert's sister. >> no. >> hal: well he will be. >> met him, and he is really

very charming. >> hal: i think any politician who is raised -- they have a mechanic that you learn how to do mouth crowd manipulation and maybe even personal hypnosis and i don't give people credit beyond their behavior and i'm sure you have run into this, people who say how charming george w was. >> i never saw that. he always seemed to be the guy who ordered a meal and then ran out on the bill. >> hal: yeah or drunkly hit on your sister. but people would be like he just comes across as a nice guy. and i go i can't left you off the hook. i think there's an element that you go i'm face-to-face with this person. but i'm sure you have seen this

stuff with -- i would love your take on the new label on, you know, the box of sand they now are selling as breakfast cereal? >> yeah, first of all, i'm not exactly sure how much rebranding they need to do considering all of the damage they are doing in the states right now. whether or not they can muster up the vote to win a presidential election, you know, in the next couple of cycles that's pretty good, but they have got a really good -- they have got a really good chance of picking up the senate seats and out at the states they are really doing some work. and in their rebranding effort at the same time they mention all of these republican governors, a lot of whom have approval ratings in the 30s by the way. rick scott is done. corbett is done. walker is the one that nobody

should sleep on, because he didn't have any position he needs to walk back with the base unlike christie or any of the governors who took the obamacare money and have to explain that. >> hal: right. and in wisconsin there's enough you know, right-wing rural areas full of older voters and a lot of -- and the urban areas where guys kind of drift whether they are going to vote or not during the election where they get very angry but don't poll as big, that does give them a level of security there. >> right. >> hal: i owe scott walker a debt of gratitude in that if it wasn't for him turning down the train money there l.a. would not actually be getting a major above ground train system. >> do we get florida's money

too? >> hal: we got ohio's money, wisconsin's money, and we probably got bits of florida's money, but part of the train tracks are going to be laid between here and vegas, even though it is all private money is coming out of the bonds that covered it. so i have to thank scott walker for being a complete doofus in crapping away his state's future, so i don't have to be stuck in traffic. >> well, good for him. all right my friend. >> hal: thank you so much charlie pierce. i don't know how you cover all of it. >> and charlie pierce gives a good hug. he's a good hugger. >> hal: oh, well. i'm going to guess jacki schechner when you give hugs people are bringing their a game. i'm hal sparks filling in and

jacki, quote unquote huggable schechner is right in the side car. it's amazing. >> drop your shorts and bend over mr. barbar. >> announcer: the following program is close captioned for the thinking impaired. >> announcer: it's the "stephanie miller show." not only does senator rubio just care about rich people but somehow he thinks raising the minimum wage is a bad idea for the middle class. but we do care about them, right? vo: the war room tonight at 6 eastern

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they need it. >> she is actually out hiking. she put a picture up. rolland sexy liberal tour director is with her -- >> hal: yes, and she booked an 8-hour hike. >> happy vacation. >> hal: it is going to be fun. never stop moving, your thoughts might catch up with you. so -- but i hope that -- it's not hard to imagine -- >> in honor of that i'm going to have another nut cluster. oh that sounded bad. >> hal: terrible. during the break the conversations are drifting for you and i about sleep. this is the entire conversation for those of us that are not used to getting up at this hour. plus i'm shooting lab rats i shot until 9:00 last night, and then came home and did show

prep, which was very little. >> for those of you that don't think hal is a freak of nature to begin with because of the vast amount of knowledge you have in your head, he really is one of the smartest guys i know. he really does know a lot about a lot. and the fact that you just said earlier that you can literally fall asleep no questions asked is astonishing to me. because i have a hamster on a wheel in mid that doesn't stop. >> hal: i do too. but i just ignore him. he eventually curling up in a little ball. >> no, mine keeps running until i intoxicate him with something. >> hal: your body behaves once you break your habits and you can teach your body anything you

want it to do over time. this is totally off topic, but i think it's worth mentioning -- >> you off topic, no. >> hal: yeah, my middle name is tangent, and i'll tell you later how i got that and it has several side stories. >> this is like every date i ever go on? >> hal: the guy just talking about himself the whole time. >> no the tangents. >> hal: i see. in the '90s i was watching this special on amazing people and one of the people on there was this woman who was in a car accident. she was a single mother. she had a four-month-old baby that had been in an incubator for a couple of months she is finally out of the hospital, they get in the car, driving home, and another car hits them knocks them over she hits a

telephone pole and the baby is ejected from the car, and is thrown from the seat. and she wakes up from the car, and here is this baby in the car seat and there is a live wire about a foot from her child bouncing around, and she instinctively runs over and grabs this power cable to get it away from her child. and inan instant it singed both of her arms. she had been in the hospital for almost nine months with an almost year old baby at this point, no arms. and she decided by the time this kid goes to school i'm going to be able to take care of him like any other mom.

and they showed her feeding him breakfast cereal by lifting her right leg up opening her big and middle toe and pouring him a bowl of cereal with her feet. this woman was amazing and so every time i couldn't play guitarer or i was frustrated about something that i had both hands to be able to do i shamed myself by remembering this woman who did this extraordinary thing. your body can do whatever you teach it to do yes, it's hard, but not nearly as hard as trying to raise a toddler with no arms. >> now i feel bad about myself. >> hal: you should. that's the whole point of that story to make you feel bad about yourself. come back after the break and i'll make you feel any worse. >> i have achieved nothing. >> hal: i'm hal sparks filling

in for stephanie miller on the "stephanie miller show." >> oh, come on guys. it's so simple. maybe you need a refresher course. hey! it's all ball bearings nowadays. ♪

[♪ theme music ♪] >> hal: yeah, this is what you walk in on in the middle of me milling in for steph and the mooks. is he get into conversations about sleep and surfing. >> well, you have were talking

about bethany and how she lost her arm. >> hal: yes. and i'm always -- i'm profoundly impacted by his work for example, but he had everything going for him as far as limbs. it's amazing to me when somebody loses a limb or fights off a fatal disease. what would normally be a terminal disease and comes back and does something extraordinary to me. and i think that's a good standard to attach to yourself. on that point, here is jacki schechner with the news. >> which takes very low standards. no, i'm just kidding. compared to that. all right. no, let's do some news. senator rand paul has laid out his support for immigration reform. he says conservatives like himself need be a part of the solution. his path to citizenship would be

more demanding than that endorsed by a bipartisan group of his colleagues who plan to introduce legislation next month. and he supports legal immigration. like many of his colleagues paul believes in emphasizing border control first. but congress should be in charge of certifying the standard of border security. by the way "washington post" reports during this morning's speech paul made a point of referencing his childhood in texas and at several times spoke in spanish. >> hal: did he say 2016 in spanish? >> and today is primary say in north carolina, and some 16 republicans are vying to replace tim scott, mark sanford, is the

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and jacki schechner is with me here as well normally he would be in a cubicle hidden away from us, and i think that's wrong, she should be here so we can interfere with her work every hour. the bottom half of every hour is her just ignoring me. which is most of the women in my life after a while. like my girlfriend has the worst time. she is like, that's sweet honey. >> are you a good listener? >> hal: i'm an amazing listener. she told me that the other night and i wrote it down and took notes. on the line with us is a great friend of mine katie speak. katiespeak.com.

katie are you with us? >> i am good morning hal, good morning, jacki. >> good morning. >> hal: it is so awesome to have you on this show. katie blogs about issues dealing with the lady parts and the lady lives, and though i have to offer this as a caveat to some of the man parts out there, she is completely capable as is jacki of talking about every other issue. >> yes. >> sometimes we have to do it more than others. >> right. it's the craziest thing hal has an actual woman on to discuss lady parts though he is certainly capable of doing so on his own, and does so effectively and intelligently, but he likes to include the women in the conversation. >> hal: yeah, one would think it would just be logical.

i want to talk to you about rand paul's personhood amendment. i think this is going to be unfortunately for women and the men who care about women this will be a central pillar to what it will take to get the nomination in 2016 you are going to have to be against gay rights, embrace comprehensive immigration reform, but of the like that republicans had already been for before, and you are going to have to be completely anti-choice to the level of personhood. >> yeah, rand paul is just awful. i was happy to see an actually legislator actually filibuster, because the filibuster in theory holds up a lot of legislators, so it was nice to see one actually happen, but the problem is he is just wrong about almost everything, and this is one of

those. this is in his first one when flood insurance was up for renewal last summer, he refused to give his vote and consent to flood insurance unless they would discuss when life began on the floor at the senate. so he just interrupted the whole process to discuss personhood last year, and it didn't go anywhere, so now he's trying again. >> hal: yes. and it will probably go nowhere again because giving a pack of dividing cells the same rights as an adult human being or living child is craziness -- >> right. and it had been decided to be crazy by voters in multiple states. in fact extreme super red state mississippi, so red it only has one abortion clinic in the entire state defeated personhood a couple of years ago by 58-42

as a ballot measure that the actual population got to vote on because they understood the personhood bill is not only silly and obnoxious but it also outlaws invitro fertilization and some forms of birth control. it is literally like 98% of the population who uses birth control as family planning. >> hal: which is something they are against. that's the thing -- they almost view -- at a certain point you have to ask the question is birth control collateral damage of the pro life movement? the loss of birth control just something that -- like well we don't like it so we don't mind that it goes away from a republican standpoint? or is it the point the whole time. is it an issue of once they have control of when and if they have a child period the problem no

pun intended? >> right. that's the thing you and i talk about on saturdays a lot, is the idea of women as sort of walking incubators, and really great writers have been talking about this for a decade, they have been warning women that they were coming after our birth control, and we thought they were all alarmists, but for several years there is the, the pill kills rally in washington, d.c. and it is becoming more extreme. rand paul's bill basically says that congress has the right to determine when life begins -- >> [ inaudible ]. >> he is not actually libertarian. that's the problem. there is no cohesion -- i have discussed this issue with actually libertarians.

and they do a really good job of dividing the line where government should get out of it. but they want government out of corporate business, but they are all up in the lady parts. they have got no problem with that. >> hal: right. and it's the same issue with gay marriage. we were talking about how hillary clinton came out in support of gay marriage and the caller was under the feeling that christians were getting ghettoized because their belief system wasn't able to be enacted on another person. and there seems to be this -- this odd -- the -- blind spot in his libertarian views that it's laissez-faire, live and let live people freedom, choice in every aspect. dow chemical can make the choice to dump whatever they want into rivers and streams, but a woman can't make the choice to take a

pill to not get pregnant. so have sex while not in the present act of wanting to have a child. >> that twisted freedom of region thing is what hobby lobby and others are using to challenge the affordable care act. they say a woman using her earned benefits your health insurance as part of your salary if you are lucky enough to have it, the affordable care act now saying that we can't be double billed for our insurance they can't also charge us for our birth control, which is a prescription. hobby lobby and others are saying that they are being required to comply with that is infringing on their religious beliefs. no it's not you are infringing own my religious freedom.

>> i think it's interesting that we can't ignore the fact that somehow birth control has fallen to the responsibility of women. men are not responsible about berth control, and most women i know have to take responsibility for that even in the moment women are required to take responsibility for that. because most men i know are not responsible with that. and it becomes our responsibility to figure out birth control for ourselves and to protect our bodies if we don't want to get pregnant. so then it should also be our choice and be up to us -- >> absolutely. >> if you are going to burden us with the responsibility financially and taking some sort of pill if that's what you are going to do or iud or whatever form of birth control you use, then it's our decision period. >> absolutely. and that is actually -- going

through that the man now following truthing obviously present company excluded as hal is a delight a responsible white chromosome [ inaudible ]. >> hal: who also is a single dad as it were. >> that's how my unplanned pregnancy happened. i bought three jobs a year and instead of shelling out $80 a year for birth control we were using the actual full-on protection, and it failed. and i had been on the pill for years and relied on him for this small segment of our relationship for him to take over for a while and it didn't exactly work out well so you are right, if we're going to shoulder the burden and the financial responsibility the

decision should be up for us. >> how many relationships have you been in where the man is like let me pay for half of your birth control? >> never. >> hal: does paying for dinner -- like you use money for birth control and i can feed us. [ laughter ] >> no, it's not a good trade off. because i end up paying for dinner too. >> hal: yeah. >> but that should be something that happens in a relationship where you discuss that sort of thing, and it just doesn't happen, which means women end up shouldering it. >> hal: that's an excellent point. and that's another conversation and certainly more time required than we actually have, and thank you for being on follow katie underscore speak on twitter, and

go to katiespeak.com no under score on that one. and i am so lucky to have you on the show and count you as a friend and get to talk about these things. it is going to be interesting to see where -- if this is an opening salvo in what it will be like to run for the republican nomination for president in 2016, it's not very program missing. >> no, legitimate rape in 2012 was apparently just the beginning. >> you thought there was a republican war on women before -- >> hal: yeah this is a full on tsunami coming in 2016. so thank you so much for calling in katie, great great stuff as always, and i'll see you saturday. we'll talk again on saturday. >> yes, and i'll see you at sexy liberal chicago.

just a few left get the tickets. >> hal: yes, and it's single seat so you might end up sitting next to someone and having a discussion about who is going to pay for birth control. that's the kind of conversation you can have an sexy liberal. at cpac they don't have those conversations. if it wasn't said at craigslist it doesn't get said at all. leave your money on the dresser and forget it ever happened. >> don't forget your name tag. >> hal: yeah, oh, thank you for the lecture. oh, i'm wearing your pants. thank you katie. see, did i not say -- >> she is fabulous. she is my new bff. >> hal: yes, you two would get along like a house on fire. >> hal: steph is --

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>> the troops love me. the sweatshirt is nice and all but i could use a golden lasso. (vo) only on current tv. ♪ >> hal: so welcome back to the "stephanie miller show." i'm hal sparks filling in. and of course jacki schechner with us. and we're in day two. it's shameless plug time this

weekend, sunday night i am doing a stage-it.com show out of a comedy club called flappers here which is on internet, and you can watch it and not only buy a ticket to the show and see it live. it is only live just like if you bought a ticket to see it at a comedy club. >> what time is it? >> hal: 7:00. >> bile asleep. >> hal: yes. you'll be asleep. but i'm giving a couple of other cometics i know and love a platform. so if you like a joke you tip them. and it's a great way for them -- comics who can't quite get out on the road and start touring yet -- >> what is the website? >> hal: it's called stageit.com. you can go to hallsparks.com, and get it to. it's out of flappers here in burbank.

it's a normal midwest earn club kind of buried -- >> and they have cameras in the closet. >> hal: i do it from my laptop, just like the show i used to do before they took my idea and turned it into current tv and stole my idea. it's true. >> were you before imus. >> hal: no but like morning to sports -- that was ridiculous because those guys still more head phones and acted like it was a radio show even though they were on television in more markets than radio -- >> that's the concept here. >> hal: i totally agree. >> except for head phones except for tony who is clearly landing a plane. >> hal: but stageit.com.

the first half hour will be my dear friends chris bonno and a couple of other people that i'm introducing the world to and then of course i'll be doing the second half hour. >> new stuff? >> hal: always new stuff. flappers is where i go to write. it's all fresh wright from the oven comedy. >> as opposed to flappers where you go to dance? >> hal: yes, in my short skirt and head bands blitz out of my mind on cocaine. this is a bit of a long clip, but jeff sessions who i mentioned earlier who is a keebler elf, it was kind of amazing -- at a judiciary

hearing sessions was trying to make the case if you are going to let people into the country, and we'll come back after the break and i'll explain this but if we're going to let people in the country, we have to make a choice who are we going to let in the country? an educated guy or -- you'll hear him. the response from the asian american justice center woman puts him in his place so beautifully. >> i think the more -- >> hal: wait. hold on. that's without him on the lead in. so i'll explain what sessions said. this was her response. he said that -- actually no you can play it raw. >> a more realistic scenario that the second individual would be female -- >> hal: no hold on.

my bad. let's take a break and we'll be back with more after this on the "stephanie miller show." i know we have a minute but i want to take a bit of an early to make sure we have that. but here is the thing -- >> you are torturing -- >> it's hard break so i would just be playing music -- >> hal: what is difficult about the break -- >> it's a hard break -- >> hal: i know what it is means. i'll messing with you. he is leaving. we had a bet going, you owe me a dollar. i was like if i can just get him in there -- ♪ >> hal: all right. we'll be back right after this, and we're actually going to -- i want to play this whole jeff sessions clip, because i want you to hear what he said and her response is off the cuff and

genius and his stammering afterwards is brilliant. >> that's how you set up a tease. >> hal: that's it. we'll be back right after this. honest. they know that i'm not bs'ing them with some hidden agenda, actually supporting one party or the other. when the democrats are wrong, they know that i'm going to be the first one to call them out. they can question whether i'm right, but i think that the audience gets that this guy, to the best of his ability, is trying to look out for us.

♪ ♪ you win some, lose some ♪ >> hal: it's like an old time fiddle tune. you just like to sit around gather around the speaker and just listen. [ laughter ] >> hal: the ace of spades motor head. and what a classic band name for a rock band. it is interesting because i always thought motor head kind of the perfect rock name for a band, and sound garden the wrong name for the right band. sound garden was amazing -- but

i always thought phish should have been called sound garden or queen could have been called sound garden. because there were so many different sounds. any and i back to jeff sessions who we were trying to embarrass before the break. that's the way way to embarrass jeff sessions is to play himself. cool. you called jeff sessions? oh look at that. explain to us. this is amazing. >> no, it's a track. >> hal: oh it's called -- >> i thought she was having phone sessions with jeff sessions -- >> hal: yeah, unless they put him on the committee for missing and exploited radio producers, and then you would find out he

was sexting. if you want to find out who they are dating find out who they are supposed to be protecting. look at mark foley -- >> ran the intern program. >> hal: yeah for underage pages and was caught -- and was on the committee for missing and exploited children. >> well, he had to get in there and see what it felt like -- >> hal: yeah, btkkiller, if you want to good close to sunbathers be a ranger. talking to a woman from the american -- asian american justice center, and he is explaining why you should only let certain people into the country, why your immigration should be basically employment based, value-added immigrants. >> unless they are in a good

friendly country like honduras one who is a valedictorian of his class, has two years of college, learned english and very much has a vision to come to the united states, and another one who dropped out of high school, has minimal skills, both are 20 years of age and that latter person has a brother here. what would be in the interests of the united states? which one of those would be in the best interest of the united states to be allowed to have [ inaudible ] -- >> hal: since to what she says. >> i think the more realistic scenario is in the second situation that individual would be female, and has not been permitted to get an education, and if we were to create a system where there was some kind of preference given to say education or some other kind of metrics, i think it would truly

disadvantage specifically women and their opportunity to come into this country. >> that certainly is a problem around the world and i would think the primary problem with education and the fact that it's -- women have been discriminated against should be focused on the countries that are doing that primarily. >> hal: yeah he tried to do the shuffle and then he tried to get his republican cards back in order, it's not america's fault, it's their fault, so they should deal with it over there -- but it was amazing. that's how well she put that together that quickly that her response to this guy saying okay. we got two people coming in here, one guy he has two years of college -- >> but when he says that, i hear money. i don't hear better educated for our country -- i -- i hear one person has got money and one

person doesn't have money in true republican fashion they are more than happy to welcome in people who have money than people who don't. and they just don't get it. >> hal: it's kind of like a club we only want to invite you in if you already belonged her anyways. >> right. the gender problem is a true problem word wide. absolutely. but putting the gender problem aside for a millisecond when a republican official says something like that, what i hear is the same argument that you should have pulled yourself up from your bootstraps. it's your own fault you were an at economic disadvantage when you were born. it's your own fault that you didn't work harder -- >> hal: i'll go you one step scarier, if you have an economic policy situation in your party, in the republican party where the entire structure of who you are trying to service from your

economic policies is a group of people who does nothing but skim from and choke off of the middle class, who do you want more of in this country? you want people who bootstrapped to put their money in our banks so it can be taken away. there is just less to steal from a poor person. >> yeah. >> hal: and they are trying to get the poor people here out of here, but it's the cull the herd mentality that with all of their libertarian fervor rand paul and that crowd are for, there's a certain number -- and especially paul ryan paul ryan is probably the most directly and obviously guilty of saying what they mean in regard to how heel deals with health care and those kinds of things. in what they talk about in his speech to the ayn rand

foundation and what have you, there is a lot of elbow in the ribs about you know what i really mean you just can't save everybody, and i don't know if we are throwing good money at bad keeping you alive if you are sick. and this is coming from people who are already rich. let's actually -- let's take call, because there are a couple of people that have been holding on and this kind of relates to that. hi katie in hudson mass. are you there? >> caller: yes i'm here. i just wanted to ask jacki in particular, because i -- she might have some incite into this is -- like the era, what is the status of that? i knew it was ratified by a few

states and things, but if we actually passed the era wouldn't it solve a lot of these things. the equal pay, things like that you know? even, you know, how we try rape cases and things i mean there are certain standards that are put towards women that are not -- the flip side would be females would probably have to register for selective service when they turn 18 too or be subject to the penalties the guys do now, and things like that, but in the long run i think thee r -- the era could get rid a lot of these gender bias. >> i don't know where the equal rights amendment stands in terms of what it could or could not override. >> hal: yes, and just looking it up to clarify. it has to be ratified by 38 of

the 50 states. we're three short. by 1972, 35 states had already ratified it but you need 38. so we need three more states for it to be added to the constitution. that is a long uphill fight. because the ones that haven't ratified it, are the ones that every time we see a map during the election cycle are bright red. >> caller: yeah, but there are a lot that are turning purple now. >> hal: that's true. ultimately they don't have to do anything, it has already passed. it still just needed to be ratified by the states to get through there. and so, you know, you are absolutely right in that -- and by the way, illinois is one of the states that it could be ratified in, as is arizona, which has a nice purple streak

in it depending on when you catch it at the right time. the rest of them your louisiana, alabama georgia, south and north carolina i'm not going to hold my breath in those areas. one area you might find a surprising point florida could very possibly as an aging populous, especially since women statistically live longer, you van aging populous moving into florida and being apprised more of women overtime -- >> although you do have a large immigrant population in florida and a lot of times they come from countries which have a very patriarchal society. >> hal: yeah good thing we don't. so -- maybe they'll learn. >> you know what i mean. >> hal: yeah, no. >> i understand but a more traditional patriarchal society in terms of -- >> hal: right. >> i -- i don't know if it's

fair to say but some of a more [ inaudible ] society. >> hal: yeah no question. what you would need for this though, is a renewed vocal push almost a modern suffrage movement. >> caller: well planned parenthood the league of women voters now some of those organizations could put forth too, because that could also be an attack on contraception and a lot of the insurance. >> hal: yeah, no question. and it's -- it could be very well -- and this is to be hoped -- and i appreciate the call -- it is to be hoped, perhaps that the response to this kind of behavior from the right, these personhood amendments, anti-choice movements, these limitations on if you do have a kid, you know, preschool, you know, they -- they are fighting

against public education, automatic of these kind of things might as they try to marginalize women's electoral strength, might be the very thing that awakens the sleeping giant in some respects. it certainly worked that way with minority voting that election cycle, and with women voting. you know, the numbers were very strong. not nearly where they need to be. if women voted at just their statistic level, 52% of the electorate, women would actually dictate policy in this country. >> as well we should. >> hal: well, look at that -- see you give them a little bit of power, immediately -- >> i know how threatening are we? >> hal: just power to anybody in general. >> yeah. >> hal: you are one third of the electorate in this room, and yet you dictate what we talk about.

>> because i baked. >> hal: that's how they get ya. baking was just a plot by women to subvert the patriarchy. i knew it. we're in the waning moments of the second -- and we're blazing through these things. tomorrow we're going to -- we have got a couple of special guests -- thursday rick overton l be in studio with us but tomorrow i really want to talk about the iraq war, because the last two days have been full of a lot of news about the iraq war. >> and we have a health care guest tomorrow. >> hal: yes, we do. and the legacy it left us. how cheap health care would be if we hadn't had to pay for the iraq war. you know what i'm saying? >> could be. >> hal: i'm hal sparks filling in with jacki schechner who will tell us what we're going to talk about when we come back from the break. >> because i rule.

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♪ >> hal: welcome back to the "stephanie miller show." i'm hal sparks filling in for steph while she's away on vacation, and tomorrow, by the way, we are going to discuss the iraq war. >> yeah. >> hal: this week is the ten-year anniversary, that -- you know, i think of the announcement was monday and things were in full swing by today ten years ago.

and you have got people like paul wolfowitz and all of these people to come on and do repainings to try to cover why they did what they did. and most of it boils down to well, he was a tyrant and we were right to remove him. how we did it, and how poorly we did it -- >> and the justification they used. >> hal: yeah never mind the amount of bad people we allow to control large areas of land in africa, but saddam hussein we needed to go after even though he was our buddy, and the chemical weapons that we used on the kurds, for example, were ones he bought from the

pharmaceutical companies back in the '80s and the argument from these guys largely is we just didn't finish it off at the time. and we need a huge base there so we can keep everyone in that region in order, until we drain the area of oil. >> how much money did haliburton make off of the war? >> hal: i don't know. i think they are still making money off of it. let's first go to jennifer in delaware. >> caller: hi, hal hi, jacki. >> good morning. >> caller: can you hear me? >> hal: yes, absolutely. >> caller: well, both myself and my two littlest ones we love you. i have a little crush on you but my husband doesn't know about that. >> hal: and i hope they are enjoying lab rats.

>> how long is your get out of jail free card? >> hal: yeah, do you get a free pass? because i'm saying there are still tickets available for chicago sexy liberal is all i'm saying. >> caller: oh, really, yeah, i warned him about that. but my question is about the war on terror and it just seems like we're like maybe crafting this narrative as if [ inaudible ] so like you end the war on terror you [ inaudible ] policy insurance because they are scary and you never know if you are being watched or targeted while you are at a cafe and to me i'm a little concerned, because i feel like if that is the case and we just continue life completely impervious to any threat we may wake up in the face of another 9/11. but why can't we revisit some of

the more maybe ambiguous language and really fashion some policy when it comes to drones. make sure that we leverage some of the executive power, maybe sure to use checks and balances. why can't we go that route to make sure we are secure but not having one individual who has all of the power to make all of the decisions. >> hal: right. i totally agree, we problem is war is a very hierarchal act. from sun sue to modern businessmen who run their businesses like they would an army. the idea is that it's higher

aric call given the choice soldiers would rather not kill each other. so to keep this thing going, you need it to be higher arctic call. and that's why everybody is so concerned about having to dial back any presidential power that comes. because it can be used for good in some cases, but you are absolutely right that -- and i want to get to one more call before we go. because we're right up against the bottom -- let's go to billy in texas. >> caller: y'all made a couple of statements. i'm a conservative from texas. and you made a couple of declarative statements last hour that were demonstrably false. >> hal: okay. >> with regards to the abortion