since yesterday. we just marked the 10th anniversary of our invasion of iraq, but one thing we can agree on george bush deserves no credit for that war. you would never know it from yesterday's white house briefing. i mean jay carney was asked about the administration's reactions to the anniversary. he said, we are glad the war is over, we salute our men and women in the military. a reporter from fox says well, if the iraqi people are better off because saddam hussein is no longer there, you have to give george bush some credit. i almost fell off of my chair. jay carney said, of course we give george bush some credit. no we don't. no we don't. everything george bush said about the reason for starting that war turned out to be a big, fat law. no weapons of mass destruction, no nukes, no navy no air force, no justification for war. yes, our men and women in the military did a good job in iraq.

but george bush gets no credit for starting that war in the first place. hey, see you right back here tomorrow. have a good one. >> this is "the bill press show."

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here jacki and tony and myself and rebecca's outside to send messages to the rest of the world. the only time we can communicate with other people is when we're on the air. >> what are we asking for? >> our demands? >> yeah. >> an immediate cessation of the sequester cuts. paul ryan explaining his budget in a standing filibuster without his mother present. >> i was thinking gummi bears. >> i was getting to that. you have to have one crazy demand according to steve martin so you can plead insanity. >> president obama has touched a down in tel aviv. president said it was good to get away from congress. he will visit jerusalem this afternoon visiting with president perez at his residence and participate in a tree-planting ceremony, photo op

and bilateral meeting with the press. tonight he meets to netanyahu at his home. the president will stay the night in jerusalem. as for what is likely to come unin conversation, the worsening crisis in syria and the iran's nuclear program. >> steven colbert's sister is now the designee for the empty seat. former governor mark sanford has made the run off cut. he got about 37%. that second run off or the run off will be april 2. he will face former charleston council man or state senator grooms. massachusetts senator elizabeth warren is writing a new book she plans to call "rigged" all about

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will wake you up, get you out of bed and get you to work on time and rebecca in charge of the odd phone calls where she has to go yeah, we'll get to you eventually maniac. it's been a fascinating process. we're today, before we get to it, i want you to think for a moment because last night was the launch of the iraq war 10 years ago last night at 10:15 p.m. or what have you that was the actual. jacki: that was the moment. hal: the opening salvo of it, the shock and awe heard round the world actually starting and the gunning of missile command. that's what that footage looked like, like neon, like ravers playing missile command. that's what you would see on that night. it was supposed to be patriotic

uplifting and positive, look at this we're seeing battle. that was the intention. now, 10 years later all of us who said a. the story leading up to this sounds like crap, there are people coming out in droves saying there are no w.m.d.'s, never were that weren't sold to them by us in the form of donald rumsfeld's ties to pharmaceutical companies. there are many progressives who 10 years after are watching the rest of people catch up. >> finally coming around. hal: yeah, and then you're seeing weird you tube videos, 10th year anniversary rewriting history. every time they do it, they conflate the first gulf war with this one.

he was on the border of kuwait, used chemical weapons against his own people. we knew that he was a serious threat. >> i'm ok smooshing the two together if you want to take the second one at george w. bush's personal redemption for his father's first war. that's ok for me if you want to smoosh them together that way. hal: no question, but somehow there was an imminent threat because of stuff he did in the 1980's or stuff we told him end do in the 1990's, tacit approval from the first bush administration saying yeah, if you go into kuwait, we won't kick knowing full well we would and needed to. start moving your troops to the border we'll totally hang back and using it as a reason. jacki: anyone paying attention also thought we're not going into the right country here. hal: that on top of it, like, absolutely. the way they did it was by

conflating these things as an imminent threat to us. we have a special guest to start the show off today to talk about health care specifically. once you get over all your mistakes as a country and where you have been wasting your money and why the better thing i think to focus on and to actually get around to is helping your own citizenry and adding pluses to your country instead of padding minuses from others. call it nation building here at home, call it, you know, let's actually get to it. wendell potter is joining us right now. wendell, are you with us? do we have him? holding, he's locked in? we'll find him. jacki: we're walking. [ laughter ] >> he's trapped in his

headphones. wendell's on hold. we'll get to him. why don't you give us a preview. jacki: of what we're talking about here? so wendell potter who may or may not be with us momentarily is a former public relations executive with a health care company. wendell basically had a come-to-jesus moment a stroke of consciousness where he said i can't do this anymore. i can't spin for the insurance industry anymore. the work i'm doing is killing people. during the fight for health care reform, he decided to speak out and has been doing so since not only about what the insurance industry has been doing all along to make money on the backs of people who need health care, but also the work that they're doing now to try to sway public opinion as we implement health care reform. hal: we have wendell now. are you with us? >> i'm here. hal: thank you for joining us.

>> my pleasure. hal: so, as jacki was giving your background and where you started in this, what was the you know, perhaps in context was there a last straw or was it a build-up where you just couldn't do i anymore in the abstract? was there a moment of emotional crisis where you recognized the ramifications of what you had been doing and what brought you to this moment like years ago if you can recall? >> yeah, there absolutely was. in fact, it was a combination of both. i was becoming increasingly uncomfortable serving as spokesperson for an industry that i knew seeing more and more evidence of the lengths that insurance companies go to earn profits and for their practices actually causing more and more people to be uninsured. what really led me to this crisis of conscience that jacki

mentioned was attending a health care fair or an exposition as it was being called here. i went there out of curiosity and saw something i never expected to see in the united states. i saw people that could have been my relatives standing in long lines waiting to get care that was being provided by doctors volunteering their time. they were treating people in barns in animal stalls. just witnessing that scene was jolting for me, and it led to that crisis of conscience and the decision that i ultimately made to leave my job and ultimately to begin becoming a health care reform advocate. jacki: when you and i got to know each other during the fight, one of the things that has been a little bit frustrating for me is that we got an open door, but we didn't

get the bonanza on the other side we were hoping for unterms of the strong cost controls or some of the insurance regulations we were hoping for. how do i feel about what we did and about what's coming? do you feel like we're on the right track? >> i definitely feel we're on the right track. i was obviously as frustrated as you, jacki and i spent a lot of time together during those years of reform debate, but i wasn't surprised that we wound up with what we wound up with, which i think is important it's the most meaningful reform we've gotten in many years but i was all too familiar with what the insurance industry and other industries do to influence legislation, first by influencing opinion. i was a part of that for many years, as disappointing as it was we didn't get a better bill, a bill with every one of us under coverage, and would have

more cost controls, i'm just all too much aware of just the strength of those well-funded special interests and how they potentially own a lot of lawmakers. hal: and a special disadvantage with health care industry in the same way that when we go up against big oil for example there is a resource they are tapping that is you cannot limit. right now, we have no other fuel source to get our trucks moving and our planes in the air and all the things the blood flowing of our economy without oil in its form. we do not have the technology to move past that, and therefore we are at the whim of big oil on a regular basis. the insurance companies and the current medical establishment has the constant resource of funds in the form of an aging population and a consistent and

sometimes, you know, you can even create a disease where there is none as far as a label goes and start treating it, whether or not it needs that kind of treating. they have a constant flow of money. there is no way to tamp down, and that's part of i guess the p.r. push of this is that necessary care is used as a way as a hammer against anybody who would want to limit their growth as far as the profit-making industry. it makes it especially as the baby boomer generation ages. let's take a break and when we come back, i would love to hear where you think the next steps can come from, because obviously health care as we have it, a lot of people, you know, said all or nothing. if i can't get a single pair, i don't want it at all, but the protections against preexisting conditions and other things like that i don't think is a progressive i would have given up in exchange for that, but can

we get where we want to go. are these sound runs on the ladder and if not which way do we want to go. please stay with us and after the break you can hang with us. >> sure. >> wendell potter, former executive for health care industry who realized what he was selling. we'll be back after this. i'm hall with jacki schechner and tony running back and forth trying to make the phones work. it's great. we'll be back. ♪ don't just vacuum clean. resolve clean.

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hal: welcome back to the "stephanie miller show." i'mhall sparks filling in for stephanie. wendell, the crisis in medical care in this country on the insurance front, the idea that you could deny people coverage simply because they had been sick before, even if that sickness had nothing to do with the sickness they got the stories of women being denied treatment for breast cancer because they'd had a yeast infection or pregnancy being a preexisting condition was shocking to a lot of people but didn't move the needle. they're like that's horrible, i

can't believe that happens and by the time it happens to them, it's too late. jacki wants to address some of the i guess the background or like what you're hearing today about the health care law from misinformation about it to, you know, issues that we still need to move on. then i think where we can go, what's the next big step? jacki: i get a lot of questions via twitter and other avenues people want to know the validity of some of the prop began at a that's being pushed out now. are you seeing as much as i am and what do you think is going on from your perspective behind the scenes to push out some of this misinformation in the run-up to the implementation of the affordable care act. >> i'm seeing it every day. it's very, very real. i spoke before congress on friday, and the reason i was called to testify was because of

some of this prop began at a propaganda going on. they were having a hearing and the title of the hearing was unaffordable effect of obamacare on american's insurance. it's an example of what's going on that there is this perception being created that everybody's premiums will go up as a consequence of the affordable care act once it's fully implemented of january 1 of next year. that's not true, but it's what the insurance industry wants us to believe. regulators don't have the authority in every state to limit the amount of premium increases. that's just one thing, because the objective here, the insurance industry has to live with the package of the affordable care act. they don't like a lot of it. what they've been trying to do

since the law passed to try to gut the consumer protections in the law. they're doing this by making us think that insurance will cost more chases will be taken away from us and that taxes will go higher, and even beyond that, that these too regulations will cost jobs. it's all par of a very orchestrated well-funded scare campaign. hal: when you look up, when you google repeal obamacare, for example, the paid sponsors that come up at the top the first one is the heritage foundation. the petition to repeal obamacare by the heritage foundation. the washington post, the most recent one, lots of americans still want to repeal obamacare. that's the title of the story. lots of americans still want to repeal obamacare. ok. it's hilarious. the chart they have, and it's

35%, this is the lots. how many self-identified republicans do you think there are in this country? somewhere between 32% and 35% of the electorate. that has not changed for all practical purposes. people now identify themselves as independents because of the iraq war even though they vote for republicans every time, for bush twice voted against obama because of things like this, they still identify them. you're going to find go across the board women's rights, you know choice legislation obamacare, all these things, your number's going to be about 32% to 36% that's the number. that is exactly the number of people who want to repeal obamacare. i guarantee that movement, that group of people has not changed in this time. it's not a new group of people who have suddenly come across. there's an interesting part of it though, and this is what i

would like to address to you. 21% want to change obamacare. now the prevailing wisdom in the media, and this is certainly part of the strategy, is that change means they don't like it because they don't like what it does that's new. i think that change number has a wedge of independents who lean republican who want to change it to limit what it can do. i also think there's a big chunk of democrats. jacki: who want it to do more. hal: who wish it had a single pair and will not say i support it but say i think we should change it and the change is to make it more aggressive. do you find that's true? >> oh, absolutely right. i think the people who want to change it are the ones who recognize that it falls short that we can do much better than that but we just couldn't get it done in 2009, 2010. a lot of people don't like the requirement that we have to buy coverage.

they don't like it because of the public option. most who want to change say let's build on this, see what we can do in future years to make this much more better to get this to actually have universal coverage in this country and to have some real means of controlling health care costs, like sickle pair, for example which never was given serious consideration by congress. jacki: i saw a documentary on cnn, you were partly of that, which i feel is about four years too late. it would have been nice to run during the fight. dr. gupta asked a representative from the insurance industry how they justify making money off people suffering. the guy literally said let's not get distracted by who's making money on what and went on. dr. gupta did not respond for press that. why do you think the media is so remiss. hal: dr. swine flu gupta.

jacki: why is the media so remiss to lay blame on the insurance industry? why is it that people are afraid to lay blame where it is? why are people so afraid to say this is the insurance industry's fault? >> that has been the most baffling thing to me. i say that, i guess i'm not surprised, as you all know, i was a p.r. guy for the insurance industry for a long time. toward the end of my career, i saw the media being less and less aggressive and probing in terms of asking me tough questions. it's almost like they are awol from their jobs. it's amazing. they just don't have the guts for the knowledge to ask the tough questions that must be asked. i saw that. i couldn't believe dr. gupta was doing that. hal: we're up against the break. thank you for joining us. we'll be back right after this with your favorite iraq war

lies. call in. bs'ing them with some hidden agenda, actually supporting one party or the other. when the democrats are wrong, they know that i'm going to be the first one to call them out. they can question whether i'm right, but i think that the audience gets that this guy, to the best of his ability, is trying to look out for us.

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hal: welcome back to the "stephanie miller show." i'm hal sparks filling in. only tony would have the foresight to play war pigs as we're culling back to talk about. jacki: didn't i come in this morning and say we should play more war pigs. hal: yeah, but you thought that was a band and were trying to fit in. you didn't mean it. do you know war pigs? jacki: no, of course not. hal: i mean, it's sabaath's

biggest -- one of the reasons why ozzie got pushed to the side as satanic was not necessarily because of anything in the music that pointed to that, he actually had a cross on -- tony had crosses on his guitars and ozzie, you look at revelation mother earth and all these things there's a lot of religion in ozzie's songs and it's did he ever she will and positive. it is. especially in this reward, this is satan's laughing and spreading wicks. the line is talking about when guys like rumsfeld, when these guys die that's who's there to welcome them for what they've done. this is a great song, absolutely. that's what i want to get to

today. last night, 10 years ago when we all went to bed there were thousands of munitions being fired at a city of civilians. they were run by an evil dictator we were told who must be stopped because national security and the security of the world and at a this guy, he has weapons of mass destruction we know where they are all these kind of things. i want to know from you what your favorite iraq war lie was and who was the person who brought it to you, because there were some good object old-fashioned bush ones, the mushroom cloud. we do not want your mushroom soup to become a mushroom cloud. in a matter of hours technology that takes years to actually get

to that they're not actually pursuing could magically appear if the hands of a dictator and blow you to pieces while you're reaching for cheetos. we cannot allow that to happen. jacki: do you think people were paying attention as much as they should have been? hal: the fog of 9/11 gave them a lot of latitude. there were a lot of democrats who fell under that. i think there was a big swath of human beings across the spectrum who i, you know, they -- i won't use the pejorative i use for the air, because i don't think i can, but there was a pop of chicken feathers and cowardice that scared them into being cared for a time. the dennis millers the cast of

fox and friends the morning show that used to talk about now what do you do with all that turkey after thanksgiving. we have our special guest on today who says you can make your own jerky with a magnifying glass and some salt. that was what fox and friends was pre9/11. jacki: right. hal: that's what they were, competing with good morning america. it was not a hard-hiking news show. jacki: do you have that recipe, by the way? that would be delicious. hal: really? i call it antjerky, you use the same process as you did with ants as a child magnifying glass and salts and you just burn the turkey like that. you can leave it in the sandwich, the bread freeze dry the whole thick. that is before this device was available. honestly, this is what fox and friends was pre9/11. then 9/11 happened, blocks from

where tees italiots live. i've met these folks. i was hosting talk soup before 9/11 and shooting when it happened. we had clips from fox and friends. they were apolitical clips. these were just guests of the hosts i was talking about and the hosts were that type of hosts. they had no special qualify cases in any kind of news way. steve ducy has no business doing real news, and he knows it and he knew it at the time, but after 9/11, it was all hands on deck, because fox became as john fugelsang said a mecca for those who hate mecca. that was the job for everybody. post neil, these people, a switch went off in their head, we could be attacked on our own soil. i think progressives for a long time were looking for our

support in the for mu john mccain adeen, instead of fighting our own terms with russia, we were having a cold war with them and a fake war in afghanistan. a lot of arms that are coming back at us today are either reflective weapons coming from the chinese or the weapons that they bought after the fact. by the way don't work if i am, but the reason for in sadaam's case our going in. 9/11 changing the mentality. it created this oh, crap momentum for a lot of people in the media and then, it was a

very useful spot for people like the bush administration who wanted to go into iraq, they thought they'd missed the opportunity, that h. had pulled out too early whatever, 21, 27 day war. they were supposed to pat themselves about the back about how they took out this guy it ended up being another grenada for them in their minds. the report with the twin towers with the bullseye on it. this is all we need to go back into iraq, it was a pearl harbor incident, where the 9/11 truthers believe there was a part of that. there's a video of me out there talking about 9/11 truth saying i don't believe we have gotten the whole story and nobody with a brain in their head who think what the bush administration was

saying about the iraq war or the lead up to 9/11 or the ignorance inaction of the bush administration before 9/11 we are supposed to take as them being the job. the story they built up was phony on so many fronts. you can be a truther without being a conspiracy theorists. jacki: you can be a truther in that we haven't gotten the whole truth. hal: exactly. i think that's where a lot of them are. it's kind of like the ufo community, there's one guy in there going they're from an dromeda. jacki: sometimes you're defined by the extreme. hal: they want to be moderate. jacki: sometimes progressive activists do it, too. hal: no question, like the health care law. there are people willing to give up the protection of preexisting

conditions and all these other things because we weren't getting single pair. jacki: yeah. hal: they were willing to give that up, and i think a lot of progressives were not and were able to hold their nose and go we need brick and mortar health care legislation now otherwise nothing will ever change. >> right. hal: and we've got a lot of calls, by the way. i want people to tell about and keep it high and tight because we've got audio to play of those. when you bring these up, we will probably be able to reference them after the next break. let's start with people who have been calling in. let's go to john in florida hey, john. caller: hey guys. boy, thank you for allowing me to vent. [ laughter ] caller: first of all wendell potter is a hero. have him on some more. one more thing about health care the president of u.n.h. has made over $1 billion in salary and perks in the last

decade of united health care. i mean, so that's where a lot of this money's going for. i've just been steaming the last three days. my three to four biggest lies about iraq, number one, larry lindsey, the advisor chief economic advisor to bush still appears regularly on cnbc claimed the iraq war would cost 100 to 200 billion. he was fired. number two. hal: $2.2 trillion is the number. caller: yeah. hal: that's the soft number. caller: yeah. hal: it will not cost any less than that. caller: you can't make this stuff up. hal: $100 billion. caller: this is a quote verbatim, i would be shocked if this takes longer than six months. it's now 10 years. hal: right the longest war in american history. caller: how many people, cheney,

rumsfeld said, we have said al-qaeda is involved, they're going to hand off weapons to al-qaeda al-qaeda, al-qaeda. how many times did we hear that? exactly from dick cheney himself, who at the time he said it knew it was absolutely false. we have to go to break. there are a lot of calls. you bring up some great once, thank you, john. we'll take a break. i'm hal sparks filling in for stephanie miller. shies at a spa being well taken care of. she'll be back monday. i think jim is laying sick in a motel six. and chris is lifting weights and hiking with his shirt off if

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hal: that's how i live. it's amazing that i can be here as early as i am to fill in for steph while she's away. jacki just looks beautiful in the morning and can handle this, but i live by the code of the road. jacki: i have been doing this for a while now, so i've gotten used to it. i've gotten the hair and makeup down to eight minutes flat. hal: i have people doing it lab rats shoot be monday. i got the film, always been a stand up, but got into acting just to have a woman with a brush touch my face twice a week. jacki: i wouldn't mind a woman with a brush touching my face twice a week. it's nicer than having to do it yourself. hal: i suppose. we're talking about your favorite iraq lies. i'm a big fan of the hoot sweet. it's great works across all your different your phone and ipad and it has the feeds in

multiple panels. you can schedule tweets for the future when you're promoting something. i always forget, right i have a show this weekend. i've got a lot of tweets about your favorite iraq lie. of course we're saying favorite in quotes. this is our way to discuss this without bursting into flames with anger." my favorite iraq lie is that oil revenues would pay for the war. i knew that was a lie in an instant." hal: especially when there was no point in the conversation where it said america gets the oil revenues. how does that work out? oh, oil companies get the revenue. that's like the key stone pipeline, yeah, energy for america, from condition da that gets to the gulf and goals out to the world market by private industries, how does that help me again? oh yeah, my tax dollars has to

pay for clean up if a pipe bursts in the middle of our country where we get most of our water from. another list of dumb ideas. the other one was let's see my favorite lie is the implicit one that iraq would be just fun after sadaam was deposed. let's go to ike in charleston. we got ike on the line. we love ike. how are you? caller: hey brother. as a side up front don't forget you got to deliver that message to kathleen madigan. hal: i made it out of construction paper and chocolate. believe me, she's going to get it. caller: behind that, my favorite iraqi lie, you know, the war it's kind of like lays potato chips, there's so many of them, it's hard to pick one. tongue in cheek i never understood why people getting so upset about people buying cake and n. jacki: ger.

then i find out about yellow cake and i'll say the most despicable thing of the bush administration and republicans in general besides terry shaibo is what they did with valerie plame. if you have a problem with a man, you don't go after his wife. hal: ike calls in on my saturday show on wcbt. we love hearing ike talk about workers rights and how the average like construction manufacturing, all the workers across this country have been systematically screwed. ike's a great voice for that. it's always great to have him on. uranium, yellow cake was found in iraq. the removal proved that sadaam whose sane was trying to start

the nuclear program. status, false in big red letters. let's go to alan in chicago. hey, alan. caller: hey how are you doing? hal: spectacular fire away. caller: first time caller, and no i don't have a ding for you. randy has that ding. >> badaboom. hal: that's the best i can do. caller: that's your favorite iraq lie. one of the justification points for entering the country in the first place was that supposedly there was al-qaeda being harbored in iraq. what's really sickening about that is they used, condition the attacks of 9/11 to justify going into the country when i'm starting to realize that we were

lied to about 9/11. hal: right well, i mean that's what i got to before was that this was regardless of the circumstance of 9/11, the truth was not told on a lot of different front, and the worst part of it is is that whether you believe the united states government or members of the united states government were complicit or actually were active in 9/11, the truth was there is no debate at all that they used it for a false pretense to enter the iraq war and to exercise the military action in the middle east on a skill that they never had the right to do or the justification to do. the interesting thing is it's like people get so caught up in the conspiracy aspect of 9/11 itself that they forget there was an actual, beyond debate mechanic of conspiracy to use 9/11 as a precursor to go into iraq when they knew they had

nothing to do with 9/11, there was no ties from al-qaeda to sadaam hussein or iraq. they were not there. they had not been there. as a matter of fact, it was quite the opposite. it was one of the areas because of his secular rule that they did not have ground. the presence of al-qaeda was not going to happen. that was actually one of the groups he would have used chemical weapons against. how do you like that? that's amazing. thanks for the call alan. i think we have time for one more call. let's go to jay in missouri. hey, jay what's your favorite in air quotes iraq lie? caller: you have a perfect segue. i don't believe that there was no debate is a true statement. the debate started like tom dashle were starting to debath, but then this anthrax came out and started shutting people out. that's the biggest lie to me. hal: that was blackmail that

arguably became blackmail. it became this kind of tacit idea that if you didn't tow the line, you might get a package full of dust. caller: i agree totally. hal: just a minute before the break. we're going to get to a couple more of these because this is obviously worth continuing apology conversation. we'll also discuss a couple of other stories in the news, specifically the right-wing media's response to kind of rewriting the history of iraq and protecting the architects of it from i guess reality perhaps. we'll be back. i'm hal sparks filling in for stephanie miller. jacki sheckner will be back with the news. you can accept us your favorite iraq lies via twitter if you don't have the time to call in.

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♪ theme ♪ hal: as much as we're dealing with the important issue of the 10 year anniversary of the iraq war and the lies that led up to us getting into it in the first place, all of which have been demonstrated as being lies and that people making them were aware they were lies at the time, not mistakes, not confusion, not soft pedaling on

this. i was going to show jacki my eggs if the whole trick. jacki: did you make a heart for me? hal: because jacki's with us today. jacki: you're getting sweeter as the week goes on. hal: i grow on you like a if you know gus. jacki: there's a treatment for that. hal: i avoid ointment. jacki: you're very anti ointment? hal: the word itself, i'd rather have the disease whatever it is. [ laughter ] jacki: are you ok with a gel? hal: yeah, gel sounds way better. jacki: ok, a lotion. hal: this is a trauma-healing gel, versus an ointment. ointment sounds like what's coming out in the first place that you need the gel to heal. jacki: you can have a healing gel, a soothing gel. hal: i have this thing coming out of my arm. you might need gel. anyway, here's the news from jacki sheckner. jacki: that's good lead-in as

you eat breakfast. there are very few humans i dislike as much as former governor rick scott. a new poll finds that former governor charlie crist, now a democratic would beat scott 50-34 if the election were held today. nbc is calling rick scott the most endangered governor in the country as we head into the mid terms. harry reid is not going to include an assault weapons ban next month. it come up as an amendment and we will get the votes on record as to whether lawmakers stand on that. the question now becomes what will potential legislation cover, maybe new school security measures, maybe expanded background checks, while the latter has overwhelming public support, republicans continue to balk. thomas young is dying and has written a letter to president bush and dick chain any on

behalf of himself and fellow veterans. he is saying that the two should beg from forgiveness from veterans like him who were forced to go to war in iraq and not afghanistan. a mission for health.

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scene in a movie about the iraq war done by tarantino as guns just go wacaka. jacki: i'm walking on sunshine. [ explosion ] hal: we're trying to stabilize emotionally on this and deal with this. there's a level of clarity necessary. we're talking about what your favorite iraq lie is. i'm hal sparks, filling in for steph and the mooks who are on vacation. if you're listening on the radio and not watching, there's a letter written by a dying iraq war veteran. jacki: his name is thomas young. hal: he wrote it to bush and cheney, basically instructing them to beg on their knees for the soldiers killed and harmed and maimed in iraq when they thought they were going to be

shipped to afghanistan to fight the people who attacked us on 9/11. this is the bill of goods when they enlisted, they were sent to iraq and not allowed to leave at the end of their service. jacki: he was wounded pretty early on, and severely wounded an has been deteriorating for years and is now to the point where he is ready to end his own life, will not do so, but won't prolong it, and removing the feed be apparatus. he said he wounded be writing this had he been sent to afghanistan and wounded there. when he signed up, he was fully prepared to defend his country in that capacity. he was not propped to fight a war in iraq that he didn't feel was justified and nobody felt was justified and knew wasn't justified. it's a great kind of f.u. letter to bush and cheney, which is how it's been titled on some of these websites.

hal: on twitter, i'm getting from marcus wynne saying the six month lie. i was in college, thought i was going to miss the war. wife and i now have about 69 months combined in deployments between the two of them. francis 57 is saying did they ever find the stockpile weapons grade plutonium? and they wave hello to you. jacki: ahh! hal: we've got a bunch of people on the line. cheryl, are you there? caller: yeah, i am. hal: so, go ahead your favorite part of the -- and like again favorite as a caveat, yes. caller: in the upscore can be the administration sold the senate and congress, they passed legislation giving george w. bush the authorization to go to war, and their argument to everyone was we're not really

going to go to war. we're just going to use this tool to scare sadaam hussein. hal: right which will never ever happen. and by the way no one would ever ask for that as a genuine publicity tool overall. you don't need it. we have the largest military in the world. you don't have to bluff about it. you don't ever. we have enough nuclear weapons still on line to destroy the earth 15 times. jacki: we're talking about nuclear deproliferation, is that a word? hal: it is. thank you for the call, cheryl. we've got a bunch on the line, i'll make sure we get to them. in the next hour, we have the angry black lady joining us. she is going to talk about this and some of the lead up. some which the people who pose as progressive journalists or libertarian, even, journalists

who really ended up just being fronts for the bush administration. it's almost like the people against drone strikes are simply because obama is doing it, not because it's a bad policy. it's odd when you go would you rather troops be sent in? i'm confused why you don't like the drone strike part of it. you dig down, it's because they think we should have boots on the ground. jacki: it is boots on the ground or the fear of collateral damage? hal: i think a lot of progressives are concerned about the collateral damage. there are some people who don't like the obama administration's use of drone on the right not because they're worried about collateral damage, because quite frankly, they shoulder brush those ideas. it's because they think we need to be there on foot and own that land, which brings me to the drum beat, the reason i wanted to take her call specifically, and it just was lucky that she

was kind of in cue as far as how long she'd been on line was that we're hearing the same kind of drum beat around syria right now. i think it's reuters putting up this thing. jacki: on senator graham and mccain shockingly. hal: exactly. [ laughter ] jacki: who want to go to war against everybody. hal: there's been a charge by the syrian government that rebels have been employing nuclear weapons and they've been floating this as a false flaggish kind of thing our soldiers are getting gaged by the rebels. jacki: i thought it was the other way around. hal: our concern is that hasaad has them and is going to use them. they are saying the rebels themselves supported by the u.s. and others are using chemical weapons on government forces, giving them excuse, well, if they're going to use them on us,

we can use them on them kind of thing. jacki: i think they haven't been able to confirm. hal: syrian state run news channel who had people claiming attack, rebels said a chemical attack had been launched by a government and released their own video showing victims choking from the fumes. both sides are claiming it. jacki: who's doing it. hal: regardless of who's doing it, the drum beat from the same folks who were all about getting into iraq because w.m.d., because they're everywhere. jacki: and mccain wants to bomb iran. hal: that's been a consistent thing. iran being the only country in the middle east, i suppose if you don't count saudi arabia, because they have too much invested in our stock market to wish us any real ill will long term, even though there were saudis on 9/11, iran actually

has a military of force, an air force, a navy, which iraq, by the way didn't. north carolina korea has weapons, actual w.m.d., we didn't attack them. one way you can tell we are not going to attack a country is if they actually have the weapons we are saying they have. that's consistent. we knew for example that iran has and has had a sound military, and that north korea has weapons of mass destruction they have legitimate nuclear women. whether they can get them to our coast is another thing. jacki: small enough to put them on the head of a missile and to the united states. >> or any of the ships around there and do major damage. that's what's kept us at bay in north korea. that's why arguably if you were someone like sadaam whose seen,

you are fearing those. iran wanted to take them from iraq. the chemical weapons used during the iran-iraq war and against the kurds siding with the iranian forces at the time, the reason he used them, he got them from us, from donald rumsfeld specifically. who by the way in the where are they now file, he went to my high school. not at the same time obviously but donald rumsfeld went to my high school and was going to be made a distinguished alum at the same time i was along with james stern who created stomp, the musical and other people who made something of themselves, virginia madsen, who is really terrific. a bunch of us when we found out donald rumsfeld, they wanted to put a bust of him, this is during the iraq war, kind of the

height of you the they wanted to put a bust of donald rumsfeld in the court yard of the high school. a bunch of the alum little said if it goes up, it goes down that night. we're all high school seniors again. we're going to get out there with a chain saw and take this thing down however we can or roll up with some chains, yank it and drive away with a pickup truck dragging it behind us. rock hudson, people who had come from this school had done great things in arts and entertainment. so many people that came out of that school, and rumsfeld's going to be the head sitting in the middle of this? are you high? it's the most ridiculous, especially the guy and i think you know, we should actually, we've got to take a break. there's a ton of calls in here. i want to play some of these. let's do a little retrospective shall we? let's hear from the voice not just from the people calling.

>> intermix. we'll make a collage, a retrospective sonic collage on itment. hal: gel please. we have a libertarian on the line who actually doesn't mind me. >> oh! there's a parity. hal: you know what that means though he's a real libertarian and not and powell kind that is really republican pretending to be a libertarian to get the youth vote. we'll be back. i'm hal sparks, that is jacki sheckner. we're lucky to have her in studio with us. jacki: i'm lucky enough to be here. hal: there's no luck involved. it's like frankly activity, choice. we'll be back after this. >> coming up after this commercial i'll be talking even louder! it's the "stephanie miller show." ♪

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line with all the other the tradition of chicago's musicians from the great blues artists to styx, and ministry. smashing pumpkins, it's so interesting that, you know, these kings of ind you familiar strio came from chicago. let's get back to your calls. 1-800-steph-1-2 is our number. we want has hear from you your favorite in quotes, your favorite iraq lie the lies that led us up. they're not mistakes, don't watch those paul wolf wits videos talking about rumsfeld. there were mistakes made, but i think we did the right thing with the information we had at the time.

bull. bologna. hal: thank you. they knew! they knew! let's play bush iraq and terror, that one just if you have any questions, it's bush, iraq and terror. jacki: terr. hal: terr. >> one of the hardest parts of my job is to connect iraq to the war on terror. i believe it. osama bin laden believes it, but the american people have got to understand that a defeat in iraq if this government there fails. hal: that's one of the hardest jobs pushing the prop began at a. the american people don't believe it, because they're getting too much information. i believe it. why would he say sadaam hussein believes it? i don't know what that means. >> sadaam has sane believes it, that

he has connections to the al-qaeda. trying to buy a piece of cake. jacki: using a dial up internet connection. hal: he apparently got a fax of some uranium. we didn't get our facts straight. and of course, who could forget mission accomplished, a lovely bush mission accomplished, there, tony. we really should put numbers on these, because there are so many of them. we should do a countdown. jacki: oh, that would be good. hal: yeah. jacki: is that the mission accomplished applause? hal: yeah, applause for the sign. >> my fellow americans major combat operations in iraq have ended and the battle of iraq, the united states and our allies have prevailed. [ cheers and applause ]

jacki: 2004. hal: yeah. jacki: what's six to 10 years among friends really? hal: yeah. a lot happened after that speech in terms of warfare. jacki: combat op over. hal: sure. no, they all stayed. as a matter of fact, more people went in. jacki: yeah. hal: major combat operations have ended therefore we are sending in troops. it is time to send in the real strike force. and granted most of these combat troops we're sending in are not actually combat troops, they are no good contract workers. jacki: private. hal: from a company that dick cheney still has stock in, but it's a blind trust. he has no idea that the company he used to run i guess making tons of money from his contracts. he has no idea. jacki: what year did he go hunting and shoot his friend? hal: yeah, we have that one, too, the very last clip. jacki: i think that's my

favorite memory. hal: yeah. hey, don't pay attention to the iraq war cheney's going hunting! cheney victim apologizes. jacki: he's going to shoot his friend's face off. hal: we should have sent dick over there to iraq. >> kill some iraq keys. hal: and made friends with sadaam. maybe he would have shot him. very last one in the whole list. you got it. >> scroll. hal: can i click them from over here, i know where they are. jacki: use the down arrow. [ laughter ] hal: we're still getting -- any luck? no. jacki: we have calls? hal: yeah, absolutely. jacki: you've got too many buttons. hal: absolutely, three ipads a laptop acknowledge thing going. kevin in buffalo. caller: hi, hal how's it going? >> it goes very well. the iraq war is technically over, but when we go through over these, you know, these

parts, i think the value of doing this, a understand i look forward to hearing what your favorite one was the value of going back over this is so that we take the drum beat for the next one with a tremendous grain of salt, with a salt lick the size of the moon and we're a slug. your favorite one. caller: we can only hope. hal: yeah. caller: i wanted to say my favorite dish from the smorgasbord of deceit was the whole pushing of the w.m.d. idea. i remember hearing about it, and hearing it hammered all the time. i felt like i also remembered the u.n. inspectors over there who kept saying they are not finding anything. hal: absolutely. hans got his pete receiptism called into question because he couldn't find things that were there. can you imagine you've been told to participate in an easter egg hunt on july 4th, and if you

don't found an egg you get your ass kicked. these are the rules of the game. it's, i mean, it's absurd. i appreciate your call. we've got one minute left, let me get real quick to matt in louisiana. real quick. we got a minute left before the break. caller: hey, hal yes. i think the biggest lie is the american people. we were -- we wanted blood and we did you not care at a iraq didn't have anything to do with 9/11, and to put the cherry on top, abu graib happened and what did we do? we gave bush a second material. we are to blame for this%. hal: that's the thing about having a representative government and my song is about how little consequence we feel that our actions actually do have long-term consequences for other people. we'll be back right after this,

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♪ >> welcome back to the "stephanie miller show." clearly, it is i hal sparks, filling in, otherwise they would be playing flock of seagulls when they came back from break. jacki: we do have a vacation update. so roland, he's on vacation with stephanie. hal: which means she's got him in a hamster wheel running nine hours a day. jacki: people were concerned when i mentioned that she booked an eight hour hike. roland said no, he is not on

that hike. instead, he has been playing tennis and told by the instructor that he grunts like a lesbian. hal: how is -- is the productor a lesbian? jacki: i don't know. hal: i would defer to her if she was. jacki: that is what he said. hal: you know what the response always is, which lesbian? jacki: i don't know, is there a particular one? hal: i think that's the best response to you throw like a girl. which girl? you watch some fast-pitched softball? they'll take your head off. jacki: they're much stronger than you would -- hal: essentially my common joke for dealing with accidental sexism racism or homophobia, you say which da da da. i can't be sexist, i have a mom.

they bail out using that old chestnut. jacki: as opposed to you grunt like a gay man. hal: so that's ok? jacki: no, but he is. hal: was a person clapping at the time, somehow saying that's nice, you grunt like a less lesbian. that came from roland. hal: roland, you are very weird. jacki: he snuck in a sweet and low to the spa. i don't know he put it in his purse along with the butter. hal: you sneak sweet and low into a spa like a lesbian. jacki: he said carcinogens are not allowed. he's been playing tennis and stephanie's been hiking. hal: all of it sounds crazy to me. let's go to rob in san francisco. how are you? caller: good how's it going?

i just wanted to congratulate you yet. i don't normally listen to this show, i don't get it live, and i'm a libertarian but when you were talking about how they were handling the rape case, i wanted to applaud you for calling out the candy crowley. if we have more people calling out inappropriate behavior regardless of their political leaning, i think that's how we can bring the gap. for instance, it was stupid of whatever those politicians were that said oh, a woman's body shuts down during rape, that guy you should be out of there. i don't care if he's a republican or what, he should be completely out of there. hal: i totally agree with you and i think regardless of party if somebody said that should lose their seat. the interesting thing is you would be very wont to find a

democratic who would say that or a genuine libertarian who would say that. everyone knows i toured with doug stanholt. he ran as a libertarian in 2008. he's a terrific guy probably the last person you would want in the white house because he makes his living not giving a crap, but he's a true libertarian. he would never think to limit a woman's right to choose what to do with her own body. that would be primary to the philosophy he lives by. phony conservatives are using the libertarians to push them ahead in straw polls and cpac. that's the only reason they do it. a real libertarian would never come out and say if a woman is raped, her uterus will punch the sperm in the face. that's absurd. you would never say that, rob.

i think i'm correct in assessing that that would never occur to you as a legitimate conversational element right? caller: no, that was ridiculous. i think unfortunately, both sides, both political sides i think tend to view this as like a football team. it's like they latch on as a true fan and no matter what they say through thick and thin, they'll stick by them, and that's the case. we should hold these people accountable. hal: right. i do think in defense of the party that i vote with and that i have affiliation with, i am a democratic, i'm comfortable with that idea. i think that libertarians actually on a legislative level have more in common with democrats than they ever have with republicans, which is why i find the ands of the world very suspect especially when it comes to your life and choosing those things. in this case it's a distinct line. it's not because i have a d. on my shirt, they have an r. on their shirt you don't find any

democrats in congress, in the senate as a president, anybody ever saying anything even remotely like that, whereas during the last election cycle multiple republicans were indicating we've got to stop saying it. they never said we have to stop believing it. and that's an important distinction. i think it's ok to make those distinctions if a party is being led that way, because otherwise you let them off the hook. then republicans go if it's the same on both sides they never have to learn the lesson of where they're going. you know what i mean? caller: i know what you mean. i'm saying both sides need to start holding their parties responsible for these statements and you know, i don't think candy crowley can be considered a conservative. i respect you for calling her out. that was inappropriate to say. as a libertarian, i believe we should have the freedom to

choose what we want to do with our lives and bodies with as little government in introducing as possible. i view government as a necessary evil to keep order and don't want to give it more power than it's already taken. the founding fathers this was not the vision they had. this was the vision that they didn't want, an all-encroaching government. hal: the only existing government in the world was a man arcky at the time, it has to be taken in context with that. they also didn't want the states to be able to divide thedown and have singular rule. that was the entire -- that's the united states states part of america. caller: exactly. that's why we have checks and balances, yes. hal: i appreciate the call, rob i really do. it's a worthwhile conversation. let's see, we've got a couple minutes left. let's go to george in l.a. who thinks obama is just as bad as george bush on the war i suppose. caller: i did not say that. hal: sorry. caller: i did not say that at

all. my question to you there was a caller that earlier said that it's our country it's our fault as a nation that after abu graib we reelected bush. hal: you think the systematic over time, months in a strategic point to torture innocent civilians in many cases for information they did not have, over years the creation of guantanamo bay and black sites for shipping off people who we cannot try in open court either because of lack of evidence, co heried evidence or the fact that they were never guilty of anything in the first place, but the embarrassment would cause us too much or we believe we've created an enemy and if we set them loose, they would be an

enemy now, you think that that's absolutely on the same level as an attack on the ambassadors in benghazi by a local militia group attached vaguely and softy to al-qaeda, no direct ties, no orders taken from it, the did he say makes of iraq and afghanistan, the leadership has happened more under this pat than any other an certainly with regard to osama bin laden you're saying ben go sey the single day the seven hour period that was benghazi is on the same level is on the same level as abu ghraib. caller: first nobody was murdered in

abu graib. caller: four americans were murdered, ok. hal: right. caller: it doesn't matter whether it was a rag tag new 4,000 american soldiers were killed in iraq. caller: sir sir it doesn't matter if there's a rag tag militia or me and my friends going over and murdering these people. it wouldn't matter. they got murdered. hal: so? did obama give the order to have these people killed? is that what you're saying? caller: ronald reagan was not hesitating that's for sure. hal: ronald reagan would have killed the american ambassador in benghazi? caller: i heard speeches of ronald reagan and they sound completely different as they do

to obama. hal: you mean the speeches around iron-contra, for example. caller: and nobody's perfect. hal: nobody's perfect. >> how can you speculate how president reagan would react in today's environment? i think milltail things have changed. hal: if policies any indication, he'd be a democratic, because he'd have to change parties after he was primaried as a republican. jacki: because he was too moderate. the nature of warfare that ha changed, too. hal: george is talking out of his posterior. you can tell with the conversion from benghazi to reagan. jacki: a cooling gel might be good for that. hal: i would say to george before he calls back in and tries on another show or either on this one to push that as a paired example of presidential

egregious behavior to read up on history. there are plenty of sites out there right and left where you can look at the time line leading up to the iraq war look at the pictures of abu graib. it was not the only one simply the one where the pictures came from, and the ridiculous arc of associating those with it things is like saying that the first bombing of the world trade center is equal to the second bombing of the world trade center and pearl harbor, they are all the same thing. he thinks a bunch of his friends could go over there and just shoot up the bad guys. george, you live in a cartoon. that's it. all right we've got to take a break. we'll come back with more of your calls. 1-800-steph-1-2. your favorite iraq lie and when i say "favorite" i mean in

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now. >> the score. hal: yes! hal: we were picking drum sounds, it's like listen to that snare. if you listen to the 01 record, you can hear that snare. hal: so back to our favorite iraq war lies. now, i don't think this caveat is necessary but it's interesting that someday brings it up at twitter. i'm @hallsparks on twitter. you can go there if you don't have time to call. the idea that if you didn't support the iraq war, you didn't support the troops. in many progressive circles, we were actually he baffled by this. one of the reasons why you didn't -- well, it was actually a counter, it was an information counter measure. it was there to stop your

argument before it started because the real progressive angle was no, we actually support our troops so much we don't want them sent to where they don't need to go. >> right right new you don't want them put in harm's way endangered and their efforts ultimately wasted for used in vain for some sort of errands that you deemed politically part of what you want to have happen when the reality of what their job needs to be is elsewhere. jacki: i'd like a get a veteran or two to call in if we have. i don't think. hal: that have been talking to me on twitter especially, too. jacki: there is a loyalty to country and a loyalty to their fellow soldiers or fellow marines that they have to be there to protect one another but they weren't particularly supportive of the mission that they were sent to do. hal: it was also very unclear. what's the day for -- and i will

be curious to ask someday like this. we'll go to j.c. in tucson, who served in iraq. caller: hello? what's going on. i love your show, by the way. this is pretty good commentary. i'm baffled sometimes by the nonsensical crap that a lot of u.s. individuals say defending this war like the last call retryingertrying to equate libya to iraq. you can't compare them, disenfranchising and destructuring their whole entire military, political structure and everything else when we could have done it a lot better. i've lost three very good friends over an unjustified war and i'm a current sum service member route now. i'll tell you something service members will do what we're told

to do, because that's what we do we're devices of the united states because that's what we do. that doesn't mean we always agree with what we're being told but as good soldiers are going to do as we're told. i just wanted to say that an unjustified war is a sat thing 5,000 americans including three friends that i know have been made with it doughers of, kids will grow up without fathers all because one person had to go on national television and create a bunch of sensationalism and hyperbole when we were already reeling from the terrorist attacks on september 11. most americans if you ask them at the time, i came off of my third tour, someday asked me where i was in in afghanistan.

we would have been done so long ago if all our resources were put in one basket instead of divided into two. people forget that for so many different reasons. i'm glad you are talking about it. it has had to many echos effects with our economy ptsd, coming back with so many different ailments, trying to get back adjusted to society. hal: the cascading cost of the iraq war is almost unfathomable, $2.2 trillion. you talk about the loss of just normal life things, just the cost of health care and support for all the veterans coming back, the extension of their families, you know, in the middle of the economic downturn, so many soldiers losing their homes and having to fight their way back in situations they should not have found themselves

in. their money is wasted fighting something they should not have had to fight at home that they could have used to start their own business or educate themselves beyond what the g.i. bill did. there's such a drag that it's almost uncharitable. here's what i would like to ask you real quick, if you can. caller: ok. hal: i don't know what time line you were there but it would seem -- caller: my first tour was 2005, another in 2006 and another in 2007 before we started wrapping up. hal: i don't know what your experience was or perhaps other soldiers, but i'm curious as to the day after the mission accomplished speech and banner, what it was like to be a soldier on the ground there going we're not leaving this isn't over. caller: i'll give you a real good example of that. it lamb was heartbreaking. when i was stationed there, i was in one of the worst places to be. to be graphic, the day that he

gave game over speech, everything's all good, i literally lost a friend who was pretty much had his head cut off. he drove down the street in the al-qaeda al-qaeda was using piano wire, springing it up to decapitate drivers. i lost my best friend that way so i don't really think the mission was over when he announced that. i think it's kind of funny. another thing i want to put out this is the nail in the coffin, when he said that the iraq war was over, we were still in afghanistan. i was in afghanistan on my first tour while all the money was going to iraq and literally as a u.s. military, we're supposed to be one of the biggest in the world, we ran out of ammo, we ran out of food. no one concentrated on that war. hal: well, we appreciate it, j.c. >> thank you for your service. caller: thank you you guys.

hal: we'll be back.

♪ theme ♪ hal: so we're into the third hour of the third day and i think we're holding it together pretty well, considering. jacki: we're still here! hal: yeah. jacki: lights are still on, music's still running. hal: i'm not slurring my words quite yet although i have been shooting lab rats monday and tuesday when i leave here until lately at night. jacki: oh, i have a very nice compliment for you. hal: oh! jacki: melissa fitzgerald, is

vacationing with her family in florida, with her young enough fuse. she has met the vice president will-i-am. now she has the data on lab rats, now she is the coolest aunt ever. on top that that, her little nephew said "he's really funny and no the ordinary funny he's more than that." super cute. you have now made hot bree a very popular aunt. you're very popular with the under 10 crowd. hal: i'm dipping into the disney machinery, get the audience young and they'll stick with you for their whole life. the nice thing is i'm in a happy, mixed race family and on

a show with no guns on it. i feel good about that. jacki: you can feel good about that definitely. let's do a little news. a new reuters poll shows 55% of the american public support same sex couples getting the same benefits as hetero sexual couples. the supreme court hears an argument on the provision of the marriage act next week. a poll was in all regions of the country, including the conservative south. the court will hear constitutionality on prop eight the ban that defines marriage just between a man and woman. >> cbs pharmacy is asking it's 200,000 employees who use their health plan to submit their weight glucose and other vitals or pay a fee. they have to agree to this testing or their rates go up $50 a month. critics say this is coercion,

but supporters say it's a good way to help employees to take their health more seriously. we'll see on you it works. we're back, after the break. billy zane stars in barabbas. coming in march to reelz. to find reelz in your area, go to reelz.com

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think. this episode, if i can call it that, of the "stephanie miller show" we've been dedicating to the lies that led us into the iraq war and what's your favorite. the amazing thing is although our first caller right out of the box listed like three or four there hasn't been but one overlap. everybody has a different one. jacki: how sad is that? hal: there's enough to go around. the lines are lit up. coming up at the next break the angry black lady is going to join us. megaworldwide saturdays in chicago, very progressive station, chicagosprogressivesite.com. jacki: a woman walked me on you to a you haul and she smelled

really good. i said what are you wearing? she's like oh, it's a special scent called sassy black woman. i said really, that's really a thing. she said yeah, that's really a thing. i said do they make neurotic white girl? she said i don't know, you have to check. it was amazing. she smelled lovely. hal: i know that she smells lovely. jacki: do they have a fragrance? angry black lady fragrance. hal: wear it! wear this! and that's what the ads are all this slow, cascading video and a wonderful bottle and just this woman screaming. they have the woman who applaud on "sanford and son" push i. or iman -- not her the angry model chucking phones.

jacki: naomi campbell. hal: it would be the perfume bottle is a cell phone and you unscrew it. jacki: the old brick. hal: that would be genius. we will be getting to more of your favorite iraq lies in just a second. shameless plug, this weekend sunday night 7:00 pacific time, i'm doing a stage-it show at flappers with some of my comic friends. go to the website sign up, get ready to watch the show, buy a ticket. it's live, it's not saved on the internet anywhere. it is what it is. jacki: i captain d.v.r. it. hal: nope, you've got to be there. that's the really cool thing about it. i'm trying to help some of my comic friends get some exposure when they're not going to get it through the normal channels. plus my band, 01 is going to be

playing on friday, the 29th at count vamp in las vegas and april 4 at viper room in los angeles. jacki: what day of the week is that? hal: that's a thursday. jacki: can you do a weekend show? because i can come to a weekend show. hal: the vegas one is on friday. it's us and saigon kick. twenty-third anniversary of the lizard album. jacki: if i come to watch you friday, i'm not coming back. hal: monday, they'll send out an a.p.b. jacki: they'll come and get me. hal: you can follow hal sparks on twitter. you can watch the you stream live and follow my facebook

page. all right, in about five minutes, we're going to have the angry black woman. let's take more calls. there were a couple people right before we went, jim unmadison has a good one. hey, jim. caller: hey how are you doing? i don't believe i actually start off saying how are you doing when i hate it when everybody else does that. hal: it's like a tractor beam of social indoctrination. caller: the iraq information minister. hal: baghdad bob. caller: this is a guy who said the americans are consulting themselves outside the city, no one's coming here and there's two tanks standing behind him across the river no he had some really good ones. you can find them kind of listed everywhere. there are no american infidels

in baghdad. never. hal: it's called alternative reality. they can all pretend things aren't the way they are and create slogans like that never happened. caller: i love that guy. i think someday was selling pictures of him on that tee shirts and aprons now. hal: absolutely. my feeling as usual, we will slaughter them all. i love the as usual part of that particular quote. my feelings as usual are our initial assessment is that they will all die. caller: by thursday. hal: surrender! it was really like it makes what's his name, the ventriloquist with the dead parrot puppettism jeff dunham. hal: make his lines sound written. caller: he was awful. hal: oops, i lost you there.

good one for that. i also want to go to scott. we actually have a quote to go with this one. you know, let's get him up here. here's scott in boston, mass, hey, scott. caller: hey, good morning how are you two doing this morning? jacki: good morning. caller: great job. yeah mine still burns my butt to this day, it was when, i don't remember if it was the run up to the war or after they had actually been caught in their lie that there was no w.m.d., but it was bush in the oval office looking underneath his desk and chairs saying there's no weapons of mass destruction in here. i just want to say as a dad of someone whose son did a tour of iraq against my best wishes, to have this guy joking and laughing about the fact that he sent 4,000 of our men and women to die and the hundreds of thousands who we killed in iraq, it just, oh, it makes the hair stand up on my back. hal: the amazing thing is this

was not one of his regrets. he said they had regrets, they were all messaging regrets not policy. he said i probably shouldn't have said bring them on. i probably shouldn't have said dead or alive. i do have regrets. he never brought that up. he never said that was inappropriate. caller: he never had any skin in the game. he and the whole clan of them, they just, it was like it was something on t.v. and make believe, which i think is how a lot of america saw it. jacki: he was in the game of financial. caller: well, yeah. hal: it was a win-win because the whole thing is if they just carpet bombed iraq back to nothingness, exxon and all these other companies could roll in if everybody is dead, stick a hole in the ground and pull the oil out. you could nuke the place and then slant drill in the area. it was beyond no loss for them.

it was amazing. too oh channel my best casey casem, this is george bush joking. >> those weapons of mass destruction have got to be somewhere. jacki: hysterical. hal: here's the funny thing. no, they don't. if they'd have found some later he'd have been forgiven for that joke. they would have passed over it. every time people hear it, it's like that's awful. jacki: i can't think of a joke. let's go with something warry. you're talking about people's lives. hal: by the way, it was pictures of him looking under. jacki: i remember that. hal: the bed and nope, none in there. in the closets at the white house. he played that thing. it was like are you -- here's the thing if he'd have just told that, looked under the

podium, it would have been an inappropriate joke, saying i've been looking all over for them w.m.d.'s still looking, it would have been inappropriate and awful on that level but they stopped their day in the middle of a war to shoot those pictures so that he could make that joke at the correspondent's dinner specifically. you know what i mean? i am not a fan of obama's predator drones joke, remember about his daughters and stuff like that. i also know full well that that's a joke most dads would make and probably one the joint chief guys say about their, my daughter -- i know the guys in kansas city that run those things. they make jokes among themselves. nobody but george bush is saying i think i've got some w.m.d.'s under the bed. i don't forgive that joke from obama, but i bet you it's more common in those circles than that was. that was an active choice to make a joke about one of the

probably if i got to pick my own single worst lie about it. when we come back, more of your calls. 1-800-steph-1-2 is our number. there's some people who have been holding on for a good long while. i will get to them. there's two of me. jacki: i think sometimes when you switch over that happens. >> oh, my god this is so amazing, it's all anybody in my class is talking about. >> announcer: it's the stephify miller show. ♪

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that song. that's the problem with when i work with tony is that he plays music so good that i just feel like we should just deejay. i haven't listened to this album in a long time. hal: oh, yeah. >> on the way home i'll listen to it. hal: the diatribe is amazing in the middle of that song. he stops and makes a political point during the musical breakdown,. jacki: we need a good rock music boot camp. hal: just a let me catch you up. jacki: that's what i need. hal: i'll do a you tube stream, walk people through the paces and archive it so people can look again. by the way speaking of people who rock by the way how do you like that segue joining us now is the angry black lady herself.

caller: hello, good morning. i'm excited to be here. i put on my fancy pajama pants. jacki: do they have feet? caller: they don't but they are red and white candy stripe. jacki: whoo! hal: so, let's get started on this whole thing. do you have a favorite iraq war lie? caller: it's got to be the mushroom cloud. hal: yeah. caller: that was, you know, i said last night mother jones has a really good time line on a run up to the war. i read it right before i went to bed, which was a bad idea, because i got really angry all over again. i just remember being so angry and watching as we were doing this, this is so wrong so wrong, and yeah, i mean, condoleezza rice and colin powell my race homies or

whatever i just want to know how they live with themselves. i don't know how any of these people live with themselves. it's just horrifying and amazing to think that it's been 10 years, because it doesn't feel it's been that long. i was just out of law school when that happened. i just moved to l.a. i literally started work at my first raw firm in l.a. the day before 9/11, my first day of work as an attorney, i woke up an september 11 and people, my friends who i made friends during my internship the prior year were calling me, don't go to work, don't go to work. i remember thinking what's going on, turned on the t.v. and saw that. i thought no, this can't be good because i just knew there was going to be something that would happen as a result that was just going to be wrong. hal: this ended up being a big you know, basically baiting by osama bin laden that bush fell

for. caller: do you think he knew that bush was going to go after iraq? hal: well the idea was you've got to bring them out. stat joeically speaking, you have to draw them off their own -- like attacking us here meant we were going to bring our troops over there. they want to spend our blood and money in the sand. jacki: right but do you think that sam by that lad expected that the administration would go after iraq and immediately go into afghanistan? hal: no, but i don't think they cared. i think they knew we'd do something stupid along with anything smart we would do because george bush was the dude p. had al gore won or bill clinton been in office, they would have tried different terrorist tack tucks and built a long standing goal for a long time but i really felt like they thought bush was the right guy for this strategy to actually work because it's just like yelling a homophobic

epithet in a gay bar. you can't fight him because his friends are in the bar. it's that simple. this is interesting imani, you have condoleezza rice and the p.d.b. and donald rumsfeld and you go to war with the known unknowns you don't know. caller: you go to war with the army you have, with the military you have, you want or whatever that quote was. that was so awful. hal: yeah. the unarmorred humvees that you have at the time. you wrote an article about glenn

greenwold and others who seemed to take an attack on addressing anything who didn't -- well, further of all, they were for it before they were against it and anybody against it from the beginning but then doesn't necessarily play by their rules gets attacked. it's a very strange thingings the thing that bothers me about him and i'm gladly that i got an opportunity to come on today because i was furious yesterday not because he was calling people out and calling chris matthews repellant and msnbc's coverage gross and vulgar, because it was, i don't know if you've ever seen that movie wag the dog, it was very much like that. i remember watching it thinking this is all crap, you know, this is just insane. hal: right. caller: sort of this love the for war and this weird admiration of george bush. i found it really disgusting. but what i find particularly disgusting about glenn greenwold is he supported the war at the

time. he's been trying to claim he didn't saying i didn't support it, i was passive and apathetic. first of all his frequently told lice video that he put out to debunk the lies told about him is crap. jacki: it's not even good qualityings it's not even true, but apathy, i can understand. there are people who aren't politically active who aren't politically developed and may not know what's going on, they may just trust the media. there are a lot of people like that. i don't criticize people like that, but what he was doing was sitting on twitter holding court, calling people out for their support of the war and then lying about his own support. that's what i find really vulgar. i think it's really strange that he would say things like bush was the leader of my country. i felt loyalty to my country. i placed the benefit of the doubt in the bush

administration. i have concerns and doubts, which feels odd. if you are apathetic why would you have those but ultimately, he felt that bush had national security in find. now that he's taken up drone war as his mantel, he won't allow anybody else to have the feeling that he had at the time under bush, when the people who may either be apathetic about drone strikes or find that there are other issues that concern them more, whether it's economic issues at home or racism at home or women's rights at home, you don't have the same sort of. hal: let's take a break real quick. when we come back, we'll address more of that, because initially, he had the same feeling about the war that britney spears had and there was a lot of that going around. we'll talk about that when we come back. it's the "stephanie miller show."

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♪ >> there are no knowns, there are known unknowns, there are some things we do not known. there are unknown unknowns, the things we don't know that we don't know. hal: that was donald rumsfeld playing the hits, that's right dedicated going out. jacki: to the things we know and the things we don't know. hal: do you know how annoying that statement was and a lot of

people made hay of it. it is notifies to donald rumsfeld. it is a philosophical reasoning that's been around forever. there are things you know you know things you don't know you don't know. you know what a red light means and you know what to do there. that's a known known. you know you don't know how the drivers on your left and right are going to react when they go, who's going to go the fastest,. jacki: that's right those are unknown. hal: you can judge but you don't know. there are known unknowns. you know things. jacki: you know what you don't know. hal: you know what you don't know. then there are the unknown known as things you don't know that you know like the statistic that most people don't cross the center line and kill you. you don't know that number, but area aware that when you go to

work. jacki: how many listeners do you think we just lost? >> there are things you don't know that you don't know, a cop that hasn't turned his siren on is going to strike the side of your car. you don't know that you don't know that. that piece of dialogue was intended to make him sound smart and strategic when it is factually annoyingly correct about anything. about sitting on the toilet. there are things you know you know and things you know you don't know, things you don't know you know and things you don't know you don't know. jacki: i don't know how to begin to fathom where that goes. hal: that is smoke screen language and so irritating. with us on the line today is the angry black lady herself.

angryblacklady.com is the website. jacki: an twitter welcome with cheers and flowers. hal: their favorite iraq lie. this is looking at, you know, at the news, do you see a similar strategy when it comes to syria and those kind of things or even other, even health care, for that matter or women's rights, there's this idea of, you know, the creeping sharia and the idea that workers rights lead to communism and women's rights leads to. jacki: abortion for all! hal: prophylactic abothers by lays women ambitious women who have abortions just for business reasons so that they can keep

their job or go up the corporate ladder and not be moms. jacki: is that really an argument? hal: yeah, that abotherses because it's a lifestyle choice abortion, because they want to be -- they want to have it all when they want to have it. jacki: i thought it was injury responsible women who don't work who use it as... hal: those are the women who have babies just to get more government aid. caller: food stamps. there's this notion that we need to chip away at abortion rights because women are, you know getting an abortion, squeezing it in between their mani pedi appointment. there's also trying to dumb down the conversation to the lowest common denominator to talk it in a way that forces people who have a particular viewpoint to

move the rhetorical framework towards the opponent's arguments. i don't know if you saw the richard dawkins tweet that has pissed people off both left and right when he says i'm pro choice but i think there's a certain point where considerations of fetal pain outweigh a woman's choice. i sort of, another thing besides greenwold ranting yesterday there was that. i don't think we live in a word where those types of abortions are the usual types of abortion. what the anti abortion folks are doing is trying to make pro choice people look like monsters and feel bad by making them answer questions like do you think there's any point in time at which a woman should not be ail to terminate a pregnancy so they try and say with respect to later abortions there should be a point at which a fetus definitely feels pawn, or a

fetus is definitely more of a person than not in which case what have choice the woman has must seem to confer to the fetus. hal: we get to the point if we can only save one we're going to save the kid. caller: exactly. those aren't the kind of abortions that are occurring the most. that what happens when i think pro choice advocates accept that framework, they do say i think at a certain point a woman should not be allowed to abort blah blah blah. my work is in reading women's activists is not to talk about the rare case us of abortion, because those rare cases usually involve some developmental disability or developmental problems where the baby won't even live outside the womb and moreover, you know, the anti choices don't really care about fetal pain, either. they say they do, because it's a good argument for them, because

it makes pro choice people look like monsters. if they were so concerned about fetal pain, they would care about the pain or life of the fetus once it exits the womb. they don't. the fact that they don't makes it perfectly clear that it becomes more about reducing womens choices chipping away at reproduction lights and not about concern for life. if they were concerned about life, they wouldn't be gutting social safety nets, be more concerned about fair pay for women, make it easier for women to get contraception to they won't have kids that they are not ready to take care of or don't want to take care of or whatever the case may be. hal: i had someone call in saturday when the violence of women acts passed. he said crime is a crime violence is violence, why don't women, you know, what's the difference if somedays being

assaulted, it's assault. why do we need a violence again women act why don't we have a violence against men act. my comment was because all the other ways women have bias in sow sigh. a woman lives at home in a domestic violence situation and she and her husband are barely scraping by and he starts drinking and punching her out. she's got to think not only am i not going to have the same money he makes if i get a job to raise these kids, because i've got to take them with me, but i'm going to do it at 70% less. that's a consideration that even that if it's not an active one is permanently there. when you talk about things like equal pay for equal work or equality in the workplace or ability for women to rise in a company, all that talk has to be factored into all the secondary choices that you're saying women have to make anyways so a

choice about whether to carry a pregnancy to term or even have a child or leave a violent relationship or any of those kind of things have with it the baggage of p.s., while you do that, you are going to make 70 cents on the dollar of what a man makes. >> when you talk about reproductive rights and choices ultimately, it takes two people to make a baby, right? you've got two people now who made a baby, whether wanted or unwanted. you have to make a decision whether or not you're going to carry that to term or terminate at a that pregnancy. you will malty legally the man has a right to weigh in on that decision but it's your body, it's your physical strain, right, and so the woman at that point, there's a much larger vested interest in what physically is happening to you. hal: well, even beyond that, yes, even beyond that, when, you know preobamacare. jacki: and financially, 90% of the time, it does fall to the woman, unless you have some sort

of arrangement or agreement. hal: i wouldn't say 90% i wouldn't. caller: also pregnancy is not a walk in the park. it's not sort of what you see on soap operas, growing woman and everything is fine. hal: she sweats a little bit. caller: and the baby pops out fine. pregnancy is very -- i've never been pregnant but have offense who are. it's very hard on the body. to have, you know, men primarily making choices making proclamations about a legal standpoint about what women are and are not allowed to do with their bodies is discussing. this isn't an issue that affects predominantly white wealth why woman, because they will always have the best health care, even if abortion were made illegal there will be those women who will be able to afford to go to another country. hal: or go visit their aunt upstate and come back

unpregnant. caller: right. these policies that these legislators are putting in place affect women of color and low income women the most. those are the most vulnerable, voiceless women in our sow it aand being negatively affected by these policies. it really bothers me when people try to force me to have an academic or moralistic argument based on these frameworks that are not applicable in real life. hal: especially dealing with preobamacare, and when these are kicking in that women's contraception is covered so that they don't have to shell out-of-pocket u you don't have to pay extra money. hal: to get your contraception and on top of that, before this, being pregnant, having had a baby, it's considered a preexisting condition by a lot of insurance companies. jacki: being a woman of child bearing age is enough to make your premiums going up. being a woman is a preexisting condition. hal: one of the reasons for that is if your planning a pregnancy

that costs medically, you are expected that you will have a child even if you say in the future i'll have a kid, they're going to have to pay out and they know that about you. but onceoff had the child there's no indication that you should have to pay for a disease you're somehow going to have simply because in the past you had a child. that's really what they were doingism yes. hal: taking any woman who's had a child, that's considered a tumor, as far as we're concerned that you had removed early on, hello catholic church, by wait and that whole rigmarole. we've got to take a break. i want to thank you for coming on the angry black lady u you know some good chicks. i use that in the most enduring material, because i like the phrase chicks. hal: thank you. caller: can i justify jump in and say thank you for the sassy

black lady segment. jacki: isn't that funny? i'm going to have to google the exact name. i think it was sassy black woman. hal: we need an angry black lady one. in the ad, someone will come up and say you smell pissed. caller: thank you. >> what's all that noise? >> announcer: it's the "stephanie miller show." ♪ world of privilege. >> everyone in michael jackson's life was out to use him. (vo) no one brings you more documentaries that are real, gripping, current.

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the angry black lady. of course, wendell potter, who spoke today. tomorrow, we'll continue a little about the iraq war. i know we're not going to be able to get to all the lies today. jacki: how sad is that that there are so many, we can't cover them. hal: let's go to anthony in las vegas. hi anthony, thanks for hanging in. caller: thanks for taking my call. i want to talk about the fact that it's the media the biggest lie was the lie that iraq could truly threaten america our interests, and the point that i wanted to really make is i see those same drum beats now when it comes to syria and iran and we have to not walk into the same mistake. if we do, it's more millions of people that die. it's not just our troops that died. millions of people have died basically from the sparks of 9/11. we cannot continue to make the same mistakes over and over because ultimately, attacking

ironar air i can't could lead into a world war possibly. are we going to make the same mistake and believe the media and say iran's going to nuke and north korea is going to? we have to have an anti war approach. it's the only way that's going to save lives. if people are pro life on that level. hal: i appreciate the call, and thanks for hanging on as long as you did. he brings up an excellent point. it's the reason why i wanted to do this. more than just it's the anniversary is that we can expect the exact same kind of mechanic coming into this kind of a situation whenever they want to get us into war. they are not going to reinvent the wheel to do it. >> let's go to james in north carolina. caller: love the show. two quick comments. my comments, let's not forget how the media crawled up into the field position in 9/11 and

were afraid to do their jobbism i think a fear of looking anti patriotic. hal: that was part of the plan, you could make people look anti patriotic for asking questions. caller: that's not the media's job. jacki: exactly you're totally right. caller: at the time, if i remember the percentages right over 70% of the american people were dumb enough to believe that sadaam hussein had something to do with it. my favorite quote, the guy with the aluminum tubes saying it wasn't the right size, yet they see colin powell sitting in front of the world and telling a bald face blatant lie. hal: absolutely. they knew those suits that they were showing had nothing to do with chemical weapons in any form and they basically cattle prodded him out in front of there and said say this, because we know other stuff we haven't

told you yet so if it blows up, it's on your head, this weird form of black pale. he should have known better. he regrets it, he has mentioned it since. you've got to be that guy that walks away. i appreciate you bringing it up, and hanging on as long as you did, james. let's go to an international one, here's randy in missouri. jacki: thank you. caller: i didn't have to listen to my in this moment c.d. during the commercials. you rocked on. hal: we do what we can. caller: when you're rocking you look like that little boy in the e-trade commercial. here's an international lie i remember george bush telling tony blair to help us out and stated that the atomic energy commission said that they were

six months away from weapons of mass destruction. well the atomic energy commission said that that was not the truth and so a spokesman for the white house came on and said that bush had made a mistake that he meant 1991 not 2001 and the atomic energy commission immediately came out and said that is not the truth, either. now we've got tony blair involved. hal: right. hal: the downing street memo is where you could not get a clear sign that they were fabricating the conversation specifically to manipulate the media and public to believe what they were telling them so that they could do this, because they didn't have the truth behind them. really appreciate it. let's go to i want to try to get to as many of these as i can. we're stacked with calls. jim in florida. hey, jim. caller: hi, hi. i am truly torn between two. hal: ok.

caller: one is whatever lie was told that has kept bush and cheney and rumsfeld and wolf wits and condoleezza rice from being tried at war criminals and being sent to prison. whatever lie that was that's where they need to be. the other one is the general lie of if we don't do fill in the blank with your choice, then the terrorists have already won. hal: the terrorists will win if you don't go shopping, uniquely american go shoppin', if you don't, the terrorists win. hal: we've got to celebrate christmas in all it's glory or the muslims will know they won. we need more chinese plastic. jacki: that was a joke for so long if you don't do x., the