>> it's wheels down for air force one at andrews air force base. the president on board also with family members from the newtown tragedy for fighting the fight in washington coming up this week. for more on that, so much more, john fugelsang and "viewpoint" are next. [ ♪ theme music ♪ ] >> john: good evening. today one of the most powerful influential and heroic women of the 20th century died, and we send our condolences of the family of annette funicello. margaret thatcher never would fit in with the gun control

climate and never once uttered the phrase "you beech cha." and oddly enough the immigration has shifted from build a fence to keep them out to build a fence to beat them in so they can vote for us. and phil donahue on iraq. the war that got him fire for being right. today is the president of kofi annan, and hank aaron hit his 715th home run to pass babe ruth's record and his memory lives on for those of us who don't believe in steroids. this is vow. "viewpoint." [ ♪ music ♪ ] >> good evening i'm john fugelsang and this is "viewpoint." with the senate back in session this could be the month maybe

even the week when a new gun control bill is brought up to the floor. in connecticut an impassioned president obama kept up the pressure for up and down votes including universal background checks, ban on assault weapons and limits on multi round ammunition clips. >> this is not about me. this is not about politics. this is about doing the right thing for all the families who are here that have been torn apart by gun violence. it's about them and all the families going forward so we can prevent this from happening again. >> john: mr. obama met with members of 11 families who lost children in the sandy hook school, and then gift them a lift--thingave--thengave them a lift when it was done. nicole hawkly lost her

6-year-old son in the hooting and in the 60 minutes reported last night this was her message to state legislators. >> they need to not just look us in the eyes but our children and the lost ones, and see those faces, see what's gone, and remember this isn't just about political parties. this isn't just about careers. this is about people. this is about making change to save people. and it's important to remember the people that you're doing this for. >> john: and in case there is any doubt who those people are david wheeler whose 6-year-old son was killed at sandy hook was explicit. >> he have an obligation to do this for them. it's going to happen again in somebody else's community until one day you wake up, and it's not. >> john: now progress on at least one issue may be possible. west virginia democratic senator joe manchin is working on a deal

with republican senator pat toomey. this should be a no-brainer. >> 90% support. it can get done, but what it will require is the republicans to not filibuster--it would require 60 votes. >> john: with 13 republican senators including rand paul, mike lee ted cruz and marco rubio threatening to filibuster any begun control bill background checks may never reach the floor. which baffled arizona senator john mccain. >> i don't understand it. what are we afraid of? i do not understand why the united states senators want to block debate when the leader has said that we can have amendments. >> john: chuck schumer might have had the answer to that. >> if we go to the floor i'm still hopeful what i call the sweet spot background checks can

succeed. >> john: for more i'm joined by cara bakey chapter leader for moms demand action who was at the president's speech today and by lad everetz. thank you for joining us this evening. kara, i would like to begin with you. what do you think of the president's speech today? is he keeping on top of the public agenda. >> well, yes, i was in attendance where president obama did speak, and i can tell you that the energy within that auditorium was really something else. it was palpable. people were thrilled to see our legislature come out before the president did. governor malloy introduced the president, and i can tell you that the people of connecticut are very happy with what happened last week here in hartford, and we are hoping that

the so called connecticut effect is going to, indeed, cause re reverb rations all the way down to dc. >> john: does that include the republicans? >> it absolutely does. the vote taken last week was bipartisan and governor malloy malloy's bipartisan group. it is bipartisan in connecticut. >> john: lad, let me ask you. there was they had to listen to a gauntlet of family for gun control. do you think the parents could open a few eyes or even change a few votes if they brought their stories to washington, d.c.? >> well, i mean, let's be clear they have been bringing those stories to washington, d.c. the newtown families have lobbied on multiple occasions in washington, d.c. there are many other victims and survivors of other significant tragedies that have occurred that have been advocating here.

i don't know if there is any more powerful advocate than a mother nature father, son, a family member who loved someone to gun violence. >> john: could you see them welcoming these families into their offices? >> well, yeah. you know, i think i can see that. you know, there have been meetings with victims of survivors of gun violence with republicans who have been raided by the nra. those meetings have been occurring. i think it's important to at least have those conversations. you know, it might not mean 180-degree shift in a position, but it might get a recalcitrant member of congress to see things their way. >> john: from your lips. >> we're fully aware of the potential filibuster tomorrow or wednesday is what we're hearing

at this point. we have released a press release yesterday morning and we have over 80,000 members at this point across the country and we have been engaging the members and asking them to reach out to their lawmakers particularly members in the states where these 13 senators legislate to call them, e-mail them, tweet them and tell them that this is not okay. that 90% of the people in this country demand universal background checks, and we will not back down. they have to listen to their people. we are moms. we are per persistent. we are patient. we're not going away. we're actively targeting the senators this week. >> john: it's brilliant. for people who feel they have no voice would you vices advice them to tweet and e-mail them.

>> absolutely. i have a full-time job but i am still able to tweet make a couple of phone calls post on a facebook page and just getting other people out there letting their voices be heard. it's absolutely essential and i think that's what made what happened here in connecticut so successful was people finally let their voices be heard. i myself am an accidental activist. i've never done anything like before. i was rocked to my core the day sandy hook happened in december. after spending a couple of days crying my eyes out thinking about the fact that it could have been my kids. it could have been my first grader i decided to get active and try to make sure that this never happens again. it's not okay. we need change. we need it now. >> john: that kind of empathy call true patriotism. lad, let me ask you. it seems inconceivable that in 19 years an assault weapons ban

that was supported by two presidents that we're now fight fighting tooth and nail background checks. would that satisfy you and the groups you represent? >> well look, i want to push back on that a little bit. for starters the coalition to stop gun violence is not giving up on the other pieces of this bill. part of the base package will be the anti-trafficking measures which are incredibly importance. we need to have a federal statute in place that implements tough penalties for straw buyers and gun runners. we're not giving up on the assault weapons ban either. i see more heat on that issue than i do on background checks. we're not giving up on that. senator reid has promised us that we're going to get a vote on that. we want a recorded vote on that. if people want to vote against that measure i'll tell them good luck come the midterms

in 2014. as to the background check piece we have to see what comes out of these negotiations with senators manchin and toomey. one of the key pieces we can't do without is the records keeping piece. you have to have a bill that is enforceable. but there is going to be compromise here. let's see what comes out of here, and let's see if at the end of the day if it's a good bill or if it's been watered down to the point that it's useless. >> john: let me ask you ladd, and the care are a, the kara, despite it's not expected to pass the senate, would it be a victory if the senate was forced to vote them up or down and put their votes on the record? i'll give that to you ladd. >> i can give that answer to you. >> john: jump in. >> i was going to say absolutely. the people of america need to know where their legislators stand. the victims of gun violence who can no longer speak for

themselves they can deserve a vote. i know president obama has been saying this for the past couple of months, but it's true. so absolutely we will not accept less. they need to vote. we need to know where they stand. >> cenk: ladd, how do you feel? do you think having an up and down vote will represent a victory here? >> absolutely. look, the think the media is very focused on the short term here thinking that we're going to undo 3053 35 years of damage that the nra has done to our gun laws. but we're fixed on the long term vision right now. we want these recorded votes. we understand that if we are going to be a viable movement moving forward if we're truly going to change the political dynamic on this issue then we're going to have to go after some people who vote the wrong way in the 2014 midterms and end some political careers. we'll have to thank and support the people who vote the right way on this and take our families out of the line of fire.

>> john: before we go, mr. obama started the speech by saying after sandy hook our saturday society must change. after all the resistence we see the loosening of gun laws. >> i was over the moon in what happens in connecticut last week. i think a lot of people here in connecticut are as well, but i will tell you that being exposeed to some of the other side from some of the other states down south and out west, hearing from fellowothers and what they're up against in those states, including legislators who will not take their calls and some have been outrightly rude, it's going to be a tough fight. it's a marathon. it's definitely not a sprint. but i am optimistic that we are going to get some of these laws

back in place federally and if we don't the 2014 midterms are right around the corner, and we're going to keep hammering on this. >> john: may it happen before normasnormasanother massacre does first. thank you both for coming on "viewpoint" this evening. >> thank you. >> john: coming up, congressman joe crowly talks about something that congress might accomplish, immigration reform. coming up nixon next. >> nine. >> this is what 27 tons of marijuana looks like. (vo) with award winning documentaries that take you inside the headlines, way inside. (vo) from the underworld, to the world of privilege. >> everyone in michael jackson's life was out to use him. (vo) no one brings you more documentaries that are real, gripping, current.

very, very excited about that and very proud of that. >>beltway politics from inside the loop. >>we tackle the big issues here in our nation's capital, around the country and around the globe. >>dc columnist and four time emmy winner bill press opens current's morning news block. >>we'll do our best to carry the flag from 6 to 9 every morning. >> john: welcome back. it's time for the thing of the day. and tonight it's, yeah sure of the day. our oh so bendable senate majority leader harry reid said he's losing pay against with g.o.p. obstruction with judicial nominees. he's threatening to use the so-called nuclear option again the senate filibuster. here's what he told the nevada public radio friday. >> we as a body have the power

on any given day to change the rules with a simple majority. i will do that if necessary. >> john: indeed, we do have the power as long as it's over judicial nominees and not against the nra's attempt to block any meaningful or popular gun reform. where have we heard that before about the nuclear option for filibuster. oh that's right. you were supposed to reform the filibuster at the start of the senate session as promised? is harry reid is going to do something? i refuse to believe it because i will not have my party broken again. prove me wrong harry. it appears that immigration reform has been put on a remarkably fast track. the major criticism about the bill being burn issued by the gang of eight say its moving too fast. this they did a joint interview to show their unity on the legislation and to answer any critics. >> we hope that we can have a

bipartisan agreement among the eight of us on comprehensive immigration reform by the end of this week. we've made great progress. there have been kerfuffles along the way, but each one of those thus far has been settled. >> i reject this notion that something is being railroaded threw. this is the beginning of the process, not the end of it. >> john: always to have a day when one agrees with senator mccain. we're privileged to be joined by joe crowly who served as the vice chair of the democratic caucus and sits on the house ways and means who has worked hard. congressman, thank you forgoing thank you for joining us. how confident are you about this this. >> i'm confident that it will happen. it has to happen. i said 11 years ago just before

9/11 that cicente fox was here, and anything could happen. it's not over until it's over. it's not done until it's done. but i do think that using immigration as the third rail of politics is over. my colleagues on the republican side using motions to--when they were the minority, using other means to use immigration as a third rail those days are over. >> john: because the g.o.p. has lost so many elections by alien alienating latino americans? >> i think they've lost the national elections because i think in part because that have. just because they're wrong on a lot of policies but especially as it pertains to immigration. when you look at the numbers 70% plus latinos 80% plus of asian americans voted for president obama. many would argue against the republican no matter who it was

because of the zenophobic nature no matter who it was. it will be interesting to see the bill i coming up in the house. >> cenk: that's the million dollar question. i look at immigration reform like the president's jobs bill, i call it the boo readily bill because it's never getting out of the house. it will come to the house, and do you have any faith that our republican congressman in the house will allow any kind of reform to get through? >> what's interesting is i think they get this from a--i think they've been able to wrap their heads and the fact that this over in the end game. either they do something or they're really relegating themselves to a permanent inability to win national elections. >> john: but are you not concerned about the tea party affect? that some of our republican

friends will be so boxed in by the fringe element of their party that just to keep their own jobs they'll block the reform from going through? >> i think there is that element. and they have to convince boehner not to let a bill come to the floor. but i think the adults of the party realize whether they have the majority or not they have to bring a bill to the floor. if they do not do this, they will pay a price that will last a very, very long time. i think they're smarter than that. there may be an effort to get a bill introduced in the senate just to show that the house republicans are not following the senate democrats again. >> john: that will be a very interesting republican versus republican cage smackdown i must say. but the vote term used to be amnesty. but now its guest work and program. how do you feel about that particular choice of language, and is it accurate. >> i think what really matters

is in the end what is agreed to? what does it mean for farm workers, and what rights do they have when they come here. it's not just giving them access to work the lands here in the united states, but how are they going to be treated is paramount to me as well. i think at the end of the day the language isn't important but what is more important is getting a comprehensive bill passed that meets the needs of the human beings supports the borders and get this countries moving on a healthy track on a positive growth using immigration as a tool and not the enemy. >> john: pastor jim wallace has an expression that on the border there are two signs. one says help wanted, the other says keep out and the exploitation of undocumented workers many say is the backbone of our economy. what are you going to do to prevent this exploitation from continuing. >> the devil is in the details. that's why as people are rushing to get this through there are a lot of fine points that need to be clarified before it can go to

the senate or the house of representatives as well. that's is to insure that we don't create a new form of slavery. that's these workers aren't coming over here without rights, and if they mess up they're victimized by their employer employer. we see this not just in the agriculture areas. it's happening right now in the undocumented here in new york, for instance. people are exploited every day. that's why it's critical for the human element to get comprehensive reform done. >> john: before i let go, any chance of any meaningful gun legislation reform passing this particular house? >> i think congress is capable when it puts it's mind to it of walking and chewing gum at the same time. we don't have to tackle one issue. we can do multiple. i hope we get something done. i think the president's speech is critical right now. it will set the tone for this debate. and quite frankly i pope there is a filibuster. if they want to hold this bill up in the senate, let the

american see who is on which side. >> john: exactly. >> the fear of the fill filibuster, at least we know who is on whose side. that's what a real filibuster would really get the attention of the american people. we can decide for ourselves. >> john: all the president asks for was a simple up or down road. we have to corner harry reid in the alley and let him know that. thank you for being here. congressman joe crowley, thank you for your service on all these important issues. i talked to phil donahue about the iraq war. the war that cost him his job because he was right. that's coming up next.

>> john: this week our continuing series wtf america takes a look at the state of ohio which you'll see from this story is a serious state of wtf. i always thought that charles

dickens took lace in 19th century london but it could take place in ohio. they're jailing people in debtor prisons because they're too poor to pay their debts. according to a report released thursday, and the aclu reports a majority of those sent to debtor's prison in ohio were never given a hearing to determine their financial status. this was does because ohio officials responding like something out of a dickens model decided to make it something out of a kafka novel. the cost of jailing a debtor was greater than the fines and costs owed by the debtor. so this whole thing has an ironic oh henry twist. wtf, ohio, pick for a style and stick with it. i realize it's difficult when

people are unable to pay their debts but when america finally pays china we'll deal with these dead beats once and for all. thinking. >>ok, so there's wiggle room in the ten commandments, that's what you're saying. (vo) she's joy behar. >>current will let me say anything.

apology write this letter on the tenth anniversary of the iraq war on behalf of my fellow iraq war veterans. i write this letter on behalf of the 4488 soldiers and marines who died in iraq. i write this letter on behalf of the hundreds of thousands of veterans who have been wounded and on behalf of those whose wounds, physical and psychological, have destroyed their lives. so begins a letter from wounded soldier thomas young addressed to former president george w. bush and former vice president dick cheney upon the tenth anniversary of our invasion and autopsy of iraq. young, who was a soldier who was

shot and paralyzed in iraq in 2004 is now dieing in his home having decided to go on hospice care and in his words fade away. he was also the subject of a 2007 documentary "body of war" codirected by legend tear tv presenter phil donahue. mr. do you know hue who was in town for the screening of this film on the nine-year anniversary of tomas young being wounded was kind enough to sit down with me to discuss this him. i began by asking about the first time he met mr. young in 2005. >> here is this kid. on morphine. he says that he remembered visit, but i wonder. his mother explains his injury to me. he's a t-4. the bullet came down here and exited between the shoulder blades. tomas young is paralyzed from the nipples down.

thomas can't cough. tomas is impotent. of course he can't walk ever again. he suffers urinary tract infection every day. nausea his pills have pills to correct the side-effects. i thought people should see this, 24 years old. this is the most sanitize war of my lifetime. the president said you can't take pictures of the coffins and the whole press corp said okay. i nominateed myself and went to see thomas at home in kansas city. i didn't know anything about it. i had no chance to speak with him. i said thomas i want to do a film on you. for all i knew he wanted to go back to iraq. i had no idea. so i walked in his house in kansas city, and on the coffee table there were bumper sticker stickerrers. one of the bumper stickerrers

read "draft republicans." i thought what? and sure enough he said, antiwar warrior. i said tomas i want to show the pain, but i want to show it up front, and i don't want to in anyany way camouflage it. i want to show the pain but i can't do it without your permission. he said, i do too. >> john: i think a lot of people who didn't know about the film the first time around got to know about tomas through social media in a letter that he wrote to president bush and vice president cheney. did you know he was preparing that? >> yes, did i know. i was very impressed with it. i knew that is how he felt. i have to tell that you i was thrilled that it got so much attention, you know, because i remember how tough it was for us

to get attention with the movie. unfortunately, you know, much of the attention came to him after he announced that he was going to end his life. it's so sad. he wants--he wanted to live. he took every hit you could imagine. he has been to the hospital for this surgery, that surgery. he showed up at the hospital with a swollen arm. they gave him pain pills, three weeks later he was found in a coma. so now tomas's speech--this is after the film--his speech is affected, and he can't hold silverware, so he has to be fed. so he and claudia, his wife, who has been with him five years now, have to find a--well they don't go out any more because he is really hut shut shut down now. they would have to find a dark

corner in a restaurant so no one would stare at them. this is a spiritual experience for everyone who worked on the film with me. no one has been this close to a catastrophic injury. the injury that turns the whole family upside down. it's happening behind the closed doors of thousands of homes in this country and nobody sees it. it is awful. we're running around, the brave troops, the wonderful troops, oh, the troops, nobody is more wonderful and brave than our troops. the troops come home and the v.a. doesn't call them back. we are underwater with pretense. you would think if we say it its true. and as the closer we got and obviously to tomas and saw everything that was happening to him, the more i think of, you know president bush, bring it

on. >> john: commander in chief has encouraged attacks against our troops. >> these are the guys who can't wait to prove their tough and use other people's kids to make the case. the more you examine this, the more you are just outraged by the hypocrisy, the rah-rah of the media, swooned when bush landed on the aircraft carrier. >> john: do you think, though, that the fact that so many of the american people who went along as they were told by the media and the government, and let's not--the media you always see the retired general talking about stuff. the fact that so many people realize that it was wrong including many in the media who cheerleaded it, does that give you hope that it will make it a lot harder for the american people to be fooled when they try to run a war? >> i thought that would happen after vietnam.

honestly, i thought we learned our lesson. what is staggering about this every major metropolitan newspaper in this country supported the invasion of iraq. think about that for a moment. >> john: did america learn anything phil? >> you know, how do i know? it's scary when you think about this. one thing should be said. a lot of people were against this war who were never heard. that's always true. there are millions of americans who are hard working tax paying, raise their kids, go to church americans who believe that once a president calls a war you have to shut up and sing. and it's killing us. here we have millions of young men and women going to war and in past wars dying on foreign battlefields to protect our way of life. at the center of our way of life is free speech.

and at a time when we need it the most we're told to support the president. don't embarrass the president in front of the enemy. if we don't support the president we're defiling the courage of the graves of the young men who are going in and dying. i mean, it's just--the effort to marginalize the dissenting voice is hugely effective. >> john: we will more of this conversation with phil donahue later in the week. meanwhile, how rude is it okay for people to be about the late margaret thatcher and her legacy legacy? while my panel of non-experts join me to talk that irreverent subject is coming up next. with award winning documentaries that take you inside the headlines. real, gripping, current. documentaries... on current tv.

>> john: earlier today on social media i asked all y'all from any positive statements. she sign angelo irish agreement which.i agree neighbor some day women will even get the same pay as men for being just as awful. tweet your comments to us as "viewpoint" ctv or use the hashtag "viewpoint" or post it on our facebook page. unmybly the world has mixed feelings about the late margaret thatcher. the liberal, she was the heartless tory who broke the unions called nelson mandela a

tories organization. and for the american g.o.p. she's an icon although the republicans have no place for a politician who did raise taxes who did support socializeed medicine and gun regulation. who was this fascinated complex person? let's bring that question to my panel tonight. i'm so pleased to welcome writer comedian founder of nationwide animal rescue tails of joy elayne boosler. and tina dupuy, a syndicated columnist at contributor.com and the comedian and writer molly knefel. i want to have three complex women to talk about this very complex woman. what are your thoughts on margaret thatcher. >> when we roomed together-- [ laughing ]

>> she was such a messy thing and she kept eating myogutter. i had to write my name on the grapefruit. >> john: you taught her about the hair spray and the pearl legacy which darling tina has carried through this evening the pearls as well, and you know it's amazing people are having parties in england over her death which is kind of rude no matter how you slice it. i'm fascinated that reagan was just lauded as a whole here as the savior in everything and to me she's just the flip side of him for the most part. >> john: that's really interesting because you know, tina when ronald reagan died in america there were a lot of people who despised him. but when margaret thatcher died today we got to see how there were people in the u.k. who hate her. i've never seen americans have this much joy over someone's passing. were you surprised to see that kind of glee in social media today? >> we were talking about this in the green room. i think brits because they never had the revolution, they never

got to send any royals to the guillotine, that they had their moment today with the iron lady. i think that that they are singing their praises but they've never gotten to experience this as a people before. she really was awful to the working class. they have a legitimate beef. i think it's ghoulish, however the brits never had their time to see these people stopped. >> cenk: i guess so. there has been loathing over the past 30 years towards her. molly, i wanted to ask you. i was a kid of the 80s. i was a teenager during the time of the thatcher controversy. but a lot of people don't even remember the thatcher era. i'm guessing you're one of them. were you aware of her growing up and what your thoughts of her would have been. >> you were finger painting. >> i was in kindergarten when she left office, and i think you know, a lot of people my age who don't have a super extensive

knowledge about thatcher, i associate her with reagan. also about the idea that you're not supposed to speak ill of the dead. there was a comment arguing that that is misguided. people who agree with margaret thatcher will not hesitate to speak about her politics. and we saw that with reagan. after reagan died for weeks it was a celebration of reagan's policies and there was kind of a gag order for criticizing him. >> john: and no one has been shy saying how much you love her but don't talk about the consequences of these policies. >> i'm glad they're not comparing her to julia child. >> john: and merle streep won an oscar for julia child. >> yes apartments that are $80 million, and no one can afford a tuna fish sandwich, but my disappointment, i had a favorite quote for many decade, which said true equality will

only be achieved when we have mediocre women in high position. >> john: that's fantastic. >> that was my favorite quote until sarah palin. i'm serious. we got the mediocre women, where in the saying that we missed something. >> john: that is a great point. >> please, everyone is talking about how she's the first female p.m. what she's most noted for is she's the last. she didn't open doors for other women. there have been others and she didn't bring other women up with her. she did the exact opposite. >> john: but didn't she stand as really an effective role model in that she wasn't a saint and she's not going to be canonized and women are just morally complex as men and just as prone, forgive me fans, to the moral failings of men. i'm trying to make the

distinction not to bad mouth her. >> we know that. we don't need her to destroy the unions. >> why do we have--we never--when a powerful man dies we don't go, is he a great role model for boys. >> but we should. >> but we do that with women. shouldn't little girls look up to this person--eh, no. when there are so few women in power, when women are put in this position, i guess it's okay that margaret thatcher was in power, but really it was--it's good depender equality is good. women in power is good. but when this particular woman used her power to make the lives of families, women and children much worse then that's not a feminist victory. >> it was a milton free man or

milton friedman victory. she was not a feminist. she's an ideologue. >> well, she was in the club that all the prime ministers get to join. >> john: does she get credit for breaking that cerealing. >> i was the only one born and reading the papers at this point. >> john: do you think she believed in climate change. do you think she would be accepted by today's conservatives. >> no, she's not insane. these people are crazy. she would be fighting in this day and age fighting to bring back, which is the enslavement of women again which is really is in so many ways. >> she compromised. that's the buried lead on her bio. she raised taxes. she lost

fights. republicans today do not compromise. they will not do this. they will not do this. they will not do. >> obama compromises with himself. he surrendered before he has the fight. >> john: yes harry reid--he's willing to compromise before folding. i do have some positive things to say about margaret thatcher right after the break. stick around. ask if your heart is healthy enough for sex. (vo) she gets the comedians laughing and the thinkers thinking. >>ok, so there's wiggle room in the ten commandments, that's what you're saying. (vo) she's joy behar. >>current will let me say anything.

>> john: margaret thatcher has died, and the media has been filled with a lot of extreme comments. many progressives said some genuinely mean nasty things about mrs. thatcher today. that is not necessaried to that.

all one needs to do is list off some of her policies. i called nelson mandela a terrorist. i took milk away from poor children. i supported the regimes of saddam hussein. i cut taxes to the rich and widened the poverty. i insulted working people by saying any man who travels by bus is a failure. all this while urinating on minors. oh i supported apartheid and called mandela a terrorist. i mentioned that, right? that's kind of mean, but it's the truth. now you're not supposed to say hateful things about a world leader on the day they die. i heard this all day from my republican friends who said hateful things about hugo chavez on the day he died. but i happen to think it's possible to mentally walk and chew gum at the same time.

one can appreciate mrs. thatcher's amazing drive and historic success in becoming the first female prime minister of the u.k. while also acknowledging her policies hurt millions and millions and millions. if you were watching she did vote to decriminalize homosex homosexuality. she warned of the dangers of climate change and refused to meet with sarah palin and allowed merle streep that third oscar and i credit her for being the mousse of u.k. rock. this lady inspired more great rock songs than p atti boyd harrison clapton did. elvis costello documented the ruins effects of her policies in "tramp down the dirt" and shipbuilding a song that memorialized industry mrs. catcher helped drive out of the u.k.

morrissey's first solo album featured the song "margaret on the guillotine" which one can safely guess was not a positive homage and don't forget she made o'connor black boys on mopeds. so we thank mrs. thatcher influencing so many great artists to write protest songs against mrs. thatcher. and to believe that her policies were good for people is like heidi monday tag's body. it might feel good but it isn't actually real. and she was forced out of power by her own party after riots stewingsinstituting a poll tax. we