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>> michael: coming up tonight, the tragedy in boston has lead to some unexpected places and to some unexpected people as well. today it lead to a very unexpected triumph for humanity. i'm michael shure. you folks are in "the war room." [♪ theme music ♪] >> michael: today is the two-week anniversary of the bombings in boston. 23 victims still remain hoeptized, and dzhokhar tsarnaev the surviving suspect has been moved to solitary confinement in the hospital wing of a federal prison.
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he has been in a small yell a solid steel door since friday. he has reading material but no tv or radio, and while hae he has stopped talking to investigators, the fbi is focused on finding others who may have influenced or train he and his brother. mike rogers and michael mccall both called for further investigation. >> i think the experts all agree that there is someone who did train these two individuals. >> there are still certains of interesting in the united states that the fbi would like to have conversations with. and the big unknown is the little over six months in russia. that's where they went from the process of radicalization to pure violence. the older brother. >> michael: federal authorities are investigating up to six people associated with the
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suspect. and that also shows the female dna was found on the bomb. we should note that that could have come from a variety of places. a stray hair from someone who happened to be there, but the fbi is speaking with tamerlan's widow today. and investigators left with an evidence bag marked simply dna samples. they are also look going whether the suspect's mother might have played a role. russian intelligence agencies had already been investigating her prior to the bombings. authorities here put both she and tamerlan on a federal terrorism watch list in 2011. she says she has no plans to come to the united states. and her husband who had planned to come to america now says he won't, citing poor health.
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the fbi is also looking into whether another person might have helped radicallize tamerlan. he has been identified as a man living in province rhode island with his elderly parents. he has agreed to cooperate with investigators and has turned over his computer and cell phone. he is a come vert to islam and had known tamerlan but denied he had any role in the bombings saying quote . . . but today there is some good news to indirectly come out of the tragedy in boston. jason collins, said the boston bombings actually invited him to come out of the closet. he revealed he is gay. that makes him the first openly gay professional athlete in major american team sports. he said after the bombings he knew this was the time writing quote . . .
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>> michael: and he says his old college roommate joe kennedy also inspired him to come out. he wrote that when now congressman kennedy watched in the boston gay pride parade he wrote . . . congressman kennedy issued a statement of support for colins and so did president bill clinton, writing quote . . . collins said in the article that he hopes for the best from fans and teammates but is prepared for the worst. mike wallace, tweeted this . . .
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which is smh, which i also learned today. he was wildly criticized by the twitter verse, and he offered a half hearted apology, saying he wasn't homophobic he just didn't understand why someone would be gay. and then an onair sports caster went even further. here he is today. >> if you are openly living that type of lifestyle, then the bible says you know them by their fruits. it says that that's a sin, and if you are openly living in unrepenitent sin, whatever it may be not just homosexuality, whatever it may be i believe that's open rebellion to god and jesus christ. >> michael: wow. joining me now, though,
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political blogger, joe garofoli. welcome back inside "the war room." >> hi, good to be here. >> michael: first lady michelle obama said this is a gig step for the country, and we have your back. >> all facts indicate it probably wouldn't have had if the president hadn't come out in support of gay rights. national circulation, wide audience sports fanatics read it. but it's clear that president obama's evolution on gay marriage and gay parters in has created a lot of space for this kind of discussion, but just keep in mind what has happened after that has taken place. we have the non-defense of doma the reveal of don't ask don't tell, and a resurgence of
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positive sentiments from the general public about the fact that gay people want nothing more than the rest of us do and that is to live in peace, raise families, and the only difference is who they happen to love. >> michael: yes, a lot of the conversation after the president said those thing were this doesn't change anything. this is the power of the pulpit to state okay. it doesn't have to be a bill that he signs. some on the right are jumping on this. ben shapiro tweeted today . . . happily though he was roundly attacked for that, and the twitter community pointed out he has called anyone from newt gingrich to ted cruz to adam corolla heros on twitter.
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when will the right-wing learn that stuff like this just makes them more and more out of touch? >> the quick answer is never. we went all the way back to rick santorum to andrew breitbart, the right does not cotton to this sort of thing, because it demonstrates evolved thinking, and that evolution doesn't seem to have taken place over there. we have a party that is at war with itself while they mouth the platitudes that all people are created equal, and gays should have some rights they certainly aren't behaving that way. and you have them questioning whether or not gay couples should have the same rights to marry no less than straight people. it is very much a conundrum politically speaking. >> michael: yeah, and they seem to be losing that conversation when something like this
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happens. boston celtics roach, doc rivers said today . . . but in fact, while the sports world was ahead on racial integration at the time of robinson, on this issue, it seems like in this case, society might be ahead of sports. why is that? >> largely because -- again, we're talking about leadership from the top, a large number of public figures, ellen deagainries, martina navratilova, gay lifestyles and acknowledging publicly that one is attracted to people of the same sex is not such a big deal anymore. the only sticking point is on the right, and on people who happen to believe that religion plays a role in how this should
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be shaped. my reading of the bible instructs us to love one another, but to have this notion that the bible declaires homosexuality as a sin that can never be constructed, they deserve every bit as much love and every bit as much acceptance as the rest of us do because they would give it in return in large measure. what doc rivers is saying counter balances what the miami dolphins player said. >> michael: yeah, that's an interesting thing you bring up too, joe is will collins receive a contract. i follow sports pretty closely. here is a guy who has played all over the league unspectacular
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answer nba pro. do you think this helps him to get another nba contract? >> well, it depends. certainly on the twitter verse, certainly sports talk radio, the polls are with him. homosexuality is no longer the other thing that we might of thought it had been. but you have a codery of owners and general managers and unenlightened teammates who may not necessarily think that collins is the guy to come out and play with, and certainly general managers and owners who as we know are generally risk adverse. witness tim tebow. they may not want to go in to a guy who would bring attention to their team not necessarily on the court. you would have some publicity
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that has very little to do with how your team performs on the court. and he is not necessarily an a-list top-tier player that would be able to smash the barrier, rather than just crack it. so there are a lot of factors at play to determine whether collins will be a standard barer on the court, off the court, and in society at large beyond this statement that he made today. >> michael: yeah, and it certainly puts the washington wizards into a funny place, because if they wouldn't sign him now, the questions will be raised why are you not signing this guy. so we say thanks of our own washington wizard -- i thought of that myself joe -- >> thank you for your incite today. coming up a knucklehead alert. an update on what the koch brothers and the tea party are doing to remake america in their own image. plus the president is getting
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♪ >> michael: there were countless appalling events over the course of the civil rights movement, but few were as dark and twisted as the triple lynching of three civil rights workers. the murders of jaim cheney andrew goodman, and michael shruner were care rid out by members of the ku klux klan the sheriff's office, and the police. the killings sparked national outrage and helped spur the signing of the civil rights act of 1964 and the voting rights act of 196 5. yet despite all of the attention this case received its history is somehow not filtering down to children in mississippi
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philadelphia coalition in 2004 in an effort to bring those responsible for the murders to justice. the coalition also educations new generations of mississippians about their history. he joins us tonight from jackson, mississippi. welcome to "the war room." >> thank you very much. >> michael: tell me a little bit about the philadelphia coalition. what are the goals of the coalition. >> it was threefold. acknowledge and recognition of what happened -- also it was also accepting that acknowledge, and us being able to move together and move forward as a community to say that you know, what was done in 1964 is wrong, and it needed to be righted. and our final goal was to make sure that our young people were educated. so that the things that happened in 1964 would not be allowed to happen again in 2014 or 2015.
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>> michael: it's a amazing it's sort as if you are an ambassador for that era to this error, and that seems like something that is necessary. i want to address what some of our viewers might be unfamiliar with, which is the case itself. can you bring us to speed. >> after the murder occurred for the next 40 years no one in our town would even talk about it. you didn't even get to talk about it in your own home. as an african american man growing up in mississippi, i never heard about it. >> michael: why do you think -- why do you think that was? was it a shame? was it something that you didn't want to tell your children about? >> it was so trau mat toik a lot
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of people, and then the fear that was associated with it. even in 2004 when we came together with the philadelphia coalition, there were many elderly people that were still afraid to speak about the murders. >> michael: so interesting. okay. so you are growing up in mississippi, philadelphia, people aren't talking about it. then what changes? >> well, as a young man growing up and traveling around to different places outside of the state, and when you would tell people -- for instance if you meet someone from california and you tell them i'm from mississippi, they would look at you with such disdain. and it made me want to learn more about my history, and as a result we found out that a lot of people that were learning about the history, especially mississippi and philadelphia in
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particular, were from movies like mississippi burning, and from news reports of people who no longer lived in mississippi, because most mississippians refused to even talk about what happened there, so we wanted to change that. and that's what brought about the coalition, because we wanted to tell our own story. >> michael: and talk a little bit about the case itself against the perpetrators of the crime. how are you involved in that case? >> yeah, once we made the call for justice, the work that we did behind the scenes working with people like jerry mitchells, different people in the community that we knew and went out and talked to and people in were members of the coalition, younger people, older people middle-aged people they all had different takes on what had happened. and because the communities for 40 years hadn't shared their stories, there were pieces that
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were missing. they were able to do -- law enforcement was ability to come up with a more complete picture of what happened in 1864. >> michael: that's interesting. we had julian bond on the show who pointed out that mississippi is the only state in the country now that is required to learn about the civil rights movement. are there other things like this in other states? >> there are some start-ups -- and i have had a tune to work -- i know there is a group in new orleans right now that is coming together to do this type of work. i'm employed with the [ inaudible ] an entity that works on helping communities to -- to produce sustainable change in their communityies through dialogue. i have been all over
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mississippi, south africa ireland, hawaii. we have been to places, other countries, and also throughout the states helping other communities to be able to emulate what philadelphia was able to do. >> michael: what it is like in philadelphia, mississippi today? is anything keeping people from openly talking about this case anymore? >> no. no. one of the things that we had to do bypassing senate bill which mandates civil rights education to be taught in every public school in the state of mississippi that was implemented in 2010 by the state legislature, since that time especially in philadelphia mississippi, we have hosted student exchanges, we have done a student exchange with a group out of hawaii to learn more
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about their culture. we have hosted a tour from black and white students to do the tour through alabama, georgia, and also mississippi. as a result, the conversation in mississippi, the dialogue in mississippi have opened up and people are a lot more open now about the issues that they used to have. >> michael: leroy clemons it is hard to imagine that anyone encompasses the words the march goes on than you. we thank you for coming into "the war room" today. up next where every these koch brothers go greed is sure to follow. and the next destination is the media business. god save us all. that story and more right after the break. ♪
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>> i know this stuff, and i love it. (vo) followed by humor and bill press and stephanie miller. >> what a way to start the day. >> michael: earlier this month, m-live an online collection of local michigan newspapers began to publish a new column about michigan legislation. it was described as . . . but the mackinac center is actually the largest conservative state level policy think contain income the entire country. it is even affiliated with the
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heritage foundation. so how exactly is this new michigan votes.org not partisan again? that's exactly what the readers asked. and within days m-live dropped it. it seems like a happy ending unfortunately this is one small victory to rewrite the news with a checkbook. the conservative franklin center has helped fund more than 50 news affiliates in 39 states. so how worried should we be? well our next guest is going to break it down for us. eric boehlert is the senior fellow at "media matters." he joins us from new york. welcome back into "the war room." >> thanks for having me.
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>> michael: your organization is funded by wealthy progressive doneors donors. what is the difference? >> we don't pretend to be a news organization. these -- these groups that you are talking about, you know, all very nice-sounding names, center for integrity, open -- watchful government. we're going to track all of the bills that are going through the state capitol. who would oppose that? but these are basically attempts to hijack the news in small ways. newspapers that don't have enough to cover their capitol will give it to you for free and we might only have conservative sources in the news story, or we're going to run these crusades against what we call government spending when of course we know the koch brothers, what they want to do is basically eliminate government. so the that are dangling this
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free news service in front of newspapers that we all know are strapped for resources and money, and they are not getting media reporting. they are getting sort of this right-wing light reporting and sometimes it's not so light in terms of the right-wing. >> michael: but there's victory in michigan. this is no small deal though. this is great that this hand -- >> that was one. they have as we said almost 50 of these. and that was because a progressive group in michigan was on the ball and saw this and said wait a minute we know what this is. they said this is not, you know, main stream journalism that you are producing here. you need to look at the source. they looked at the source and said, all right, we're not going to take it. joe strupp said we use this with
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caution, we have seen some red flags. that's the whole point, because these think tanks and news organizations know, these news organizations are not going to poor overevery dispatch from capitol hill, and a lot of that is going to get through, and it starts to change the conversation. >> michael: yeah, it's amazing. it is sort of exciting to play defense when you see that they are changing their offense. there has to be a worst example of these think tanks being able to drive a particular story or issue. what do you think of first? >> i think because there's 50 separate ones they haven't rallied around one national piece of legislation or one national piece of right-wing crusade, the right-wing think tanks, look at what they did with climate control for ten years. there is no global warming, and
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then that would force main stream reporters to say, geez we have this study that sounds like ladies and gentlemen it mate scientist, from a legitimate think tank, we better print both. so the whole idea is to overwhelm the media with stories and reports. and the koch brothers are pouring millions of dollars into this. and now they might want to buy the l.a. times and "the chicago tribune." >> michael: right we talked about that. and that's on a much bigger scale. >> that's right. it's the same billionaires behind it. and they would destroy those newspapers. >> michael: one would only assume. there are state watchdog websites. in this case new york city nbc station is using investigative
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report. listen. >> mark runs the investigative website, new jersey watch dog. he examined double-dipping superintendents. he found 45 interim superintendents collecting more than $4 million a year. >> we see superintendents bounce around from district to district to district they make a great second career while connecting a pension. >> michael: so who is watching the watch dog? >> that's a great question. and media matters has tried to shine a spotlight on this but no, if you go state by state nobody is really watching these people. and if you take that one report. okay. that's interesting. you know, these superintendents are double dipping. that's not a good thing. but it's a cumulative effect. all union worker are bad. all teachers are shady all government workers are on the take. it becomes this relentless
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narrative that they are trying to drive under the narrative of government waist. government is evil and here is how we're going to tell you it is evil. we're just going to keep hitting this note over and over until we try to turn the tide into an anti government crusade under the umbrella of watchdog journalism. there is no watchdog journalism they are doing about corporations in america it's government contracts and things like that. >> michael: easy to trust you there, eric. they don't call you a senior fellow for nothing. eric boehlert is the senior fellow at "media matters" thanks for coming on the show. up next the tea party election loosing strategy. lee fang takes us inside his field guide to the resurgent right.
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you know who is coming on to me now? you know the kind of guys that do reverse mortgage commercials? those types are coming on to me all the time now. (vo) she gets the comedians laughing and the thinkers thinking. >>ok, so there's wiggle room in the ten commandments, that's what you're saying. you would rather deal with ahmadinejad than me. >>absolutely. >> and so would mitt romney. (vo) she's joy behar. >>and the best part is that current will let me say
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anything. what the hell were they thinking? >> michael: the tea party became a political force in the 2010 midterm elections. 60 new republican lawmakers were sweat into office by the pseudo populous movement of the koch brothers. but in last year's election tea party poster children like these all lost their bids for reelection. so if the tea party was a flash in the pan? and if so can the republican party look forward to a more moderate future? the answer is not so fast. a new political science survey suggests that the gop should brace itself for more not less tea party insurgency.
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over three-quarters identify themselves as tea partiers more than republicans. more than three-quarterers also prefer a candidate who is likely to lose but shared their principles. finally the survey revealed . . . this idealogical gap in views could spell trouble for the gop in 2014. joining us tonight is one of our "war room" favorites, lee fang contributing writer to "the nation." who has a new book called "the machine: a field guide to the resurgent right." welcome back into "the war room" lee. >> hey michael thanks for having me. >> michael: of course. a few years ago it seemed like the republican party was going
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to take the tea party in. will that ever happen? >> i think we need to reconceptualize the tea party. if you look at the detailed history of how it came about, in a way it was manufactured by corporate interests and republican operatives who are concerned that republicans after 2008 didn't have a populous base. kind of a grassroots vanguard to push their interest. back in 2008 as is the case today, the republican brand was in tatters, right? people don't identify themselves as republicans. we have seen this happen in california and across the country. people don't look to the party in the same way they did in the past. so the construction of the tea party was used to energize candidates to run for office under a brand that wasn't exactly republican, right? this was a maneuver basically to
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get people elected with very far-right views, but they wouldn't have to run as traditional republicans, and in a sense it was a brilliant strategy because, again, republicans have to deal with the demographic problem. they have to deal with really their image as a party and the tea party has just been a very convenient segue for them to still reach voters. >> michael: if i'm a democrat i look at this and say i see why you say it's a brilliant strategy, but it doesn't seem like a long-term strategy. it is chopping off your nose despite your face. they are making a stand now, but their long term goals are totally foggy now. >> i think that's right but look at how the tea party fit into history. republicans, they are look after the 2008 elections and expecting huge movement on financial reform, on labor reform on
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raising the minimum wage, going after the big banks, and the tea party was a convenient third-party validator. again, the midterm elections were one of the biggest election upsets in all of american history, so now looking forward we see republicans shifting their political investments. now they are investing more in groups reaching out to latinos. the koch brothers are investing in new political groups that go after young people. people self identified as libertarians, people that are worried about drones because they see the shift in public opinion, and they are just kind of maneuvering to capture political wins and still elect the same type of politician. >> michael: in your book you write that today's conservative infrastructure is very different from the one created by business groups in the 1970s.
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what are they doing differently aside from capitalizing on citizens united? >> it's more of a vast effort. you know in the '70s big business interests were very worried about the environmental government, the civil rights movement, all of these progressive movements, ralph nader, coming in to regulate and increase taxes and -- and really change the business climate in this country. so they funded think tanks mostly in d.c. mostly focused on influencing congress. now the political infrastructure of the right is so much bigger. but your segment five minutes ago with eric boehlert is a perfect example of that. how they are branching out into states. funding the media, going out and funding these populous training organizations to create things like the tea party. >> michael: we talked a lot on
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this show about grover norquist and his group. in your book you talk about the intense competition brewing between norquist and a lesser known, weyrich lunch. what is the weyrich lunch, and how have we seen their influence so far? >> there are competing factions there are tensions within the party, and the move in the last four years by conservatives to embrace this type of libertarian, tea partiesque strategy, has ruffled a lot of fteers, because there has been this alliance between social conservatives and big business republicans, trading issues but maintaining a very neat coalition. that started falling apart in 2008. and as lib tarns move -- libertarians moved in to seize control of the movement
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and you see that from grover norquist and they have a once a week meeting where they get together to plot strategy and messaging. social conservatives their faction has really shrunk in the republican party and they started boosting efforts, and you see this competing lunch also on wednesday. some are kind of disastrous but trying to take back the movement, basically. >> michael: well i hope the democrats are having similar lunches. this democrat is having plenty of lunch, but i hope the ones that matter do. thank you lee fang, author of "the machine: a field guide to the resurgent right." coming up all of the yucks from
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>> michael: well, it is that time of the year again when hollywood celebrities and political figures mingle in the glow of the limelight. the so-called nerd prom provides a rare opportunity for the president to make a few self deprecating jokes. >> obama: look i get it. i look in the mirror and i have to admit, i'm not this strapping young muslim socialist that i used to be. >> michael: that was a really good one, mr. president. he also took a few shots at congressional. s. >> obama: i had dinner with a number of the republican senators, and i admit it wasn't easy i proposed a toast, and it died in committee. even after all of this folks
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still don't think i have spent enough time with the senate. why don't you get a drink with mitch mcconnell? really? why don't you get a drink with mitch mcconnell. >> senator mcconnell tweeted this chair next to an empty chair. joining us now is abc reporter jim avila, who attended the white house correspondent dinner this past weekend. welcome inside "the war room." >> good to be here. >> michael: jim tell us one cool thing that we would not have seen sitting at home watching c-span, i mean if we were doing that, which i was. >> well, the real cool thing is it is not on c-span. there are actually chairs that are filled.
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it's really just a big party for those in the media in washington. what most people do is network the whole time. you know it's not -- it's really long first of all, michael. it starts at like 7:30. first everybody has a party first -- so you start at 5:30, 6:00 in the evening, and it doesn't get done until 11:30 at night. and most of it is not very entertaining. you played a couple of the most entertaining parts. and conan o'brien was funny too. but in between -- that's about an hour's worth of entertainment in a six-hour night. the best line i heard was from george will who said it's the night where everybody is there shaking hands and never looking anybody in the eye because they are looking over their shoulder to see who they want to go talk to next. and that's exactly right. >> michael: never before in
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history has anybody ever said the best line i heard is from george will. so you made television history. obama walked on stage with a couple of lines from dj khaled's "all i do is win." how was that intro received that night? >> i don't think most of us even knew who it was from. i have a younger fiance who told me what it was. and i don't think anybody in that room with the average age is probably 50 knew what he was talking about. it's almost predominantly white that whole group. so it was not exactly the rap music audience. he also made a couple of other references that most people didn't understand. but overall, you know, obama -- the thing about obama is -- obviously somebody else writes the jokes. in fact i know that guy that
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wrote the jokes a comedy writer by the name of billy kimmel no relationship to jimmy kimmel and the jokes are written for him. but his timing and his delivery is pretty amazing. you know, he -- he has perfect comic timing and a lot of people said his comic timing was better than conan o'brien, and in the room it felt like it was better than conan o'brien. conan was reading all of his jokes in a pretty rapid-fire delivery. and while he was funny, he didn't get the belly laughs that the president did, but of course some of that a brown nosing and this is his audience. is hollywood and -- the washington press corps. you know this is a little tilted to the left you know? >> michael: yeah. it's interesting to talk about this being -- it didn't -- it
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wasn't always hollywood that was involved. last saturday event it seemed that hollywood and the white house are closer than ever. take a listen to this. >> i needed somebody to dive in and really become barack obama, and as it turns out the answer was right in front of me all along. daniel day lewis. >> was i playing obama? yeah, i was. [ laughter ] >> michael: do you think that hollywood and the political worlds are now too close for comfort after leaving that dinner the other night? >> too close for comfort? well, it's not a surprise that president obama was heavily funded and heavily supported by hollywood, so i don't know that that's any big surprise there. do i think that the dinner itself -- you know it's one fun night. you know, and as another person said, you know, of all of the problems that washington, d.c.
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has as far as being dysfunctional, this is very low on the totem pole. this is just a big party. and i'm pretty down the middle kind of guy, but i was pretty excited -- barbara streisand, steven spielberg, daniel day lewis were all there. those are pretty big names that we on the east coast don't get to see every day. michael douglas. >> michael: it certainly sounds better than senator marie hinrichs was there. i understand what you are saying. i really appreciate you taking the time. someone is always right here in our "war room." please check us out online at current.com/thewarroom. that is also where you can hook up to our twitter and facebook
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