>> cenk: elizabeth colbert busch leading over sanford. 4% reported. still too close to call. we'll tell you who won tight on theungturksom. you can catch us on youtube.com/tyt. "viewpoint" is next. >> john: good evening. the heritage foundation's report on immigration was release and immediately shot to the top of the fiction best-seller list but republicans are already self-deporting themselves away. an officer charged with preventing sexual assault in the air force has been charged with sexual assault. don't you miss the innocent days when patton used to slap an enlisted man and it was wholesome? and the eyes of the world are on cleveland, ohio, where three young women had escaped years of nightmarish captivity having been rescued by america's newest hero, charles ramsey. today is the birthday of bramms,

tchaikovsky and benson who used to use humor. today tonight, a special salute to the right wing politicians of south carolina unless mark sanford seeks out to see another tribute on the side. this is "viewpoint." >> john: good evening i'm john fuglesang. and this is "viewpoint." on a day when america celebrated three women who escaped from nightmarish sexual abuse another deeply troubling story on this topic on a systemic level. president obama called it betraying our uniform and said the military would have to exponentially step up our game to stop it. that's putting it mildly. because mr. obama, who was in seoul, south korea today was addressing a wave of sexual assaults in an institution that is supposed to protect america from its foes, the military.

according to a pentagon study last year, the military recorded 3,374 sexual assaults and that is up nearly 6% from 2011. even more disturbing because many cases are never even reported anonymous surveys suggest there were as many as 26,000 cases of sexual assault in the military in 2012 and that is up from more than 19,000 in 2010. at a news conference, mr. obama said he had no tolerance for cases like these. >> obama: if we found out somebody is engaging in this stuff, they have to be held accountable, prosecuted, stripped of their positions. court-martialed, fired dishonorably discharged, period. >> john: meanwhile a senate armed services committee hearing, chairman carl levin brought up a case that began make news this week. >> presented this morning with

dramatic evidence of the need for the department of defense to act swiftly and decisively to address the plague of sexual assaults in the military. >> john: meanwhile air force lieutenant colonel krusinski this is his mugshot was arrested sunday and charged with sexual battery. according to arlington virginia, police after leaving a strip club a mile from the pentagon and i quote... colonel krusinski has been serving as chief of the air force sexual assault prevention and response branch. a spokesman for defense secretary chuck hagel said and i quote... new york senator kisten gillibrand had perhaps a more pertinent thought.

>> how can we possibly stop the amount of sexual assault and rape in the military if the person in charge of enforcing the policies commits the same crime? >> john: for more, i'm joined by retired staff sergeant, colleen bushnell a member of an advocacy group for sexual assaults and susan burke representing military rape survivors. good evening. it is a pleasure to have you both here. thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> john: let me begin with you, ms. bushnell. you served nine years in the military but took a medical retirement after incidents in 2003 2004 and 2005. would you mind sharing with us, ma'am, what happened? >> well, in 2003, i was raped by a senior civilian whom was in my work environment. and it was not safe for me to report him. and for that reason, i was under his authority for about a year. in the following year, my

commander who had just returned from iraq, a female, sexually assaulted me and at that point i decided to come forward about that assault. within a couple of days of the event, she unfortunately committed suicide. after that, i was retributed against and retaliated against. i was given an errant personality disorder diagnosis. i was overmedicated to suicide alley and my career was ended. >> john: may i ask what happened to the male military officer who assaulted you first? was he prosecuted? >> no. i actually did not report him out of fear because i didn't have faith in the justice system. to this day i don't have faith in the justice system. so he remains as employee of the department of defense and i have serious concerns that there are other victims out there who have also been impacted by this man.

>> john: what kind of support did you receive from the military when you came forward? were there any sympathetic ears for your plight? >> there were systems put in place that appeared to be as if they were support systems but they're not empowered to actually help the victim. currently, the way the system works is very perpetrator centric rather than victim centric and that's why today i'm a very strong proponent of the sexual assault training and oversight protection act which congressman jackie speier authored a couple of years ago. i feel very strongly that this tool is the only answer to changing how the adjudication investigation and victim care of process can be carried out by the military. >> john: let me bring susan burke into this. counselor, were you surprised by the numbers in the reports that surfaced today? >> no, not at all.

the sad reality is that if year in, year out you fail to prosecute and incarcerate predators, rapists you will see an ever-growing number of rapes. it is fairly straightforward. the military continues to fail with just the basic justice. >> john: is there one branch of the service that has more problems with sexual assaults than other branches? >> no. they're all equally bad. you're really talking about a flawed and dysfunctionalled a jude ca tori system. they let all of the branches let the commanders, the day-to-day war fighters make the decision. a military jury convicted a fighter pilot of rape. they convicted him to a year. fairly modest penalty for a rape. nonetheless, he was convicted and yet then a general was able to set it aside just on his own

decision. until you get rid of that and take it out of the chain of command, no one is going to risk reporting. it is too arbitrary and capricious. >> john: the military is not effective at all in the way it is prosecuting rape and sexual assaults. it doesn't seem like the prosecutions represent anything but a deterrent am i right ms. burke? >> the rate of conviction is under 5% so as a practical matter, it is not a deterrent at all to the crime. sadly, what it is a deterrent to is reporting. many rationale people, when faced with this terrible choice of reporting a crime or losing their career over it, look at the conviction rates and think well, i have only a minuscule chance of getting justice of seeing my predator behind bars and yet i have almost 100% inevitability of having my career take a hit. why would anyone do it? >> john: are you working on any of those cases right now? >> we are representing many, many women and men and we have filed a series of lawsuits

saying that the way this is operated deprives people of their constitutional rights to due process. >> john: this speaks to what patriotism and national pride are supposed to be about. you heard president obama say he wouldn't tolerate any sexual assault in the military and of course, secretary hagel said the same thing but it appears it has been tolerate and on a systemic level. do you have any idea why that is? >> well, i'm encouraged by events, unfortunate events like today which serve to educate the president and the secretary of defense. lately, on a continual basis between the aviano scandal the lackland air force base scandal and today with colonel krusinski, i think this is really going to help bring us to light to this the american people to get them behind their elected officials to educate the president and the secretary of defense. and as a victim, to see the mugshot of this lieutenant

colonel and to know that had that happened on a military installation the response would not have been the same. the fact that the victim was a civilian and she used civilian law enforcement is to her credit and to our benefit. and i hope that this really hits the hearts of americans who i know care very much about how our service members are treated and how our veterans are treated. >> john: i think that leads me to the million dollar question. i'll give it to you ms. burke. the sexual assault cases are litigated in courts. would they not be better served if they were turned over to civilian courts or is that not possible? >> it is possible. the constitution, civilians oversight and control over the military. we're not a military dictatorship. the military does not control this nation. so it is certainly a possible solution. there's also another solution which has been proposed by members of congress such as

congresswoman speers as well as member of senate are coming up with legislation soon that basically says all right, we'll keep it within the military but we'll fix thed a jut ca tori process and we'll get the chain of command out of that. >> john: ms. bushnell, you are with protect our defenders tackling this very issue. what's it going to take to make these assault numbers go down that we saw today go down instead of up? what should the military be% doing right now that it has failed to do thus far? >> well, i think it's time that they show a serious intent to apply the uniform code of military justice in the best interest of the victim and preventing further crimes from happening. instead of dancing around even of these charges and artfully applying the ucmj to satisfy their local concerns, victims need to see that they're logical to take risks and be leaders and separate the criminals and the

predators from the honorable service that's being rendered by our men and women in the armed forces. every single case is a demonstration to us as to whether or not the department of defense is capable and serious and appreciative of our service. we're watching. >> john: despite your terrible experience, do you think ms. bushnell, more high-ranking female officers in the chain of command could potentially be a way of helping the situation? >> honestly, i don't think this is a male or female issue. and so i've seen many female officers take the wrong stance on this issue. so this is -- this is an intellectual and a theoretical and a policy issue. folks need to be educated and become aware. even the folks who are writing policy who i've spoken to, do not seem to have a grasp on the fact that the united states military is not the catholic church, it is not penn state. the uniform code of military justice is an animal in and of

itself and there is no benchmark and we need to give this serious singular consideration and we, as victims enlisted are educated on every level and we're paying attention and we're uniting from every era and it's time for change to happen now. >> john: retired air force staff sergeant colleen bushnell and attorney suzanne burke thank you for your time tonight and thank you for your service. >> thank you for having us. >> john: on to the immigration debate where it is the republican party versus the republican party. after the break. (vo) from the underworld, to the world of privilege. >> everyone in michael jackson's life was out to use him. (vo) no one brings you more documentaries that are real, gripping, current.

you know who is coming on to me now? you know the kind of guys that do reverse mortgage commercials? those types are coming on to me all the time now. (vo) she gets the comedians laughing and the thinkers thinking. >>ok, so there's wiggle room in the ten commandments, that's what you're saying. you would rather deal with ahmadinejad than me. >>absolutely. >> and so would mitt romney. (vo) she's joy behar. >>and the best part is that current will let me say anything. what the hell were they thinking? i think the number one thing that viewers like about the young turks is that we're honest. they can question whether i'm right, but i think that the audience gets that this guy, to the best of his ability, is trying to look out for us. >> john: today's thing of the day is the put down the pat-downs of the day. new figures from the new york police department show that the number of stop and frisks

conducted in the first three months of 2013 are down compared to the number conducted over the same period last year. and these same numbers show that overall crime is down, too. new yorkers should be happy about this although now the nypd will have to work extra hard to find new ways to enact discriminatory racial profiling against brown new yorkers. so the right wing heritage foundation put out its report on the gang of eight's legislation reform and spoiler alert coming, they didn't like it. in fact, the report said it would cost our nation a whopping $6.3 trillion because the report was full of some whopping lies. including not taking into account any upward mobility for immigrants. all illegal immigrants will not be getting citizenship and no entitlement reform in the future. the pushback on this right wing report didn't come from democrats. it came from other right-wingers. with the critics including congressman paul ryan, senator

jeff flake and most ardently senator marco rubio of florida who said... >> john: quite frankly, that's not the immigration betweens in the u.s. that's certainly not my family's experience in the u.s. the folks described in that report are my family. we're joined now by rick ungar contributor to forbes.com. thank you for being on the show, rick. >> always a pleasure. >> john: are you shocked and awed at agreeing with the humanity of rubio? >> my favorite critic is the cato institute. in all of the years of xoistence, it hasn't happened. >> john: is it because of they genuinely don't like the report or want to win elections for republicans? >> you have to understand how remarkably flawed this report is.

what's amazing about this, it is like you have a five-part assignment to do and you only did the first one and turned in your homework. basically, they took the position that there's going to be x amount of dollars going out as government support for these people and x number of dollars coming in for taxes, obviously the disparity. but the rest of it, they presume that every single immigrant will come to this country sit on a street corner, never eat a speck because they won't be spending anything into the economy nor will anybody be giving them food. >> john: they'll never buy anything so no sales tax. >> exactly. not one dollar of dynamic expenditure. it was remarkable. it truly was. >> john: heritage foundation never want republicans to win elections again? they did an immigration report back in 2006. even the writer goes this goes way too far. under the stewardship of demint, have they moved off

the margins? >> look, you can almost admire them in the sense if they were discounting the input or the impact on elective matters, if they said we're going to be purists and tell it as we see it. whatever happens politically happens. i can respect that. but this was just shotty -- you can't even say shotty work. it was insane. there's only one way to interpret this. this is coming from every real conservative in america. and they are all saying the same thing. this was a press release for jim demint. >> john: it seems like we're in this world where you have half of our republican friends wanting immigration reform because they know you can't get the white house without the latino vote. the other half who doesn't want immigration reform and democrats sitting back and laughing. that may be entertaining for progressives but isn't a recipe for nothing getting solved in this country? >> it is. even those republicans who are maybe more focused on the election issues than you hope,

they also see the benefits to the economy because there's no getting around it. so much so that even these people that we wouldn't expect are saying wait a second! this is crazy. of course they benefit the economy. there's no way they couldn't. people come here. they spend money. they start businesses. they start families. they buy clothes. all of the things you kind of have to do to exist and they completely omitted that from the analysis. >> john: all of the things that help the italians and irish flourish they seem to have forgotten about. i have to give marco rubio props. he's willing to stake his political reputation on this issue. the question is, if it face and presumably, the guy is running in 2016, if this face, can he still compete in 2016? >> number one, i don't think rubio is a serious candidate for 2016. >> john: by serious candidate he has no chance of being elected or he's not going to run? >> i'm not sure he's going to run. he may be smart enough to know it is too soon. the second part is nah people

will get over this in a heart beat. this is politics. >> john: do you not think if it face, he could say to the latino investigate base, i tried. i'm your guy. republicans are fighting for you. >> that's a very fair point. in many ways, it may make him a more credible, effective candidate. >> john: if immigration reform fails this year, can republicans still succeed in 2016? >> yes. >> john: how so? >> if they run against anybody but hillary clinton. >> john: if immigration reform succeeds does, the republicans hurt hillary clinton and the rest of the field? >> no. >> if hillary clinton runs, she's going to get the same percentage of latino voters as president obama got this time. where it becomes an issue is if she doesn't run. this is where it becomes a significant issue. and you've heard me say this before. like it or not, the republicans because of the makeup of who's available in the democratic field, republicans have a very good chance in 2016. immigration or no immigration.

>> john: i'm going to ask you to do a vulcan mind melt. do you think now there might be some real strain on that relationship? >> you never know with politicians. everything is about convenience and mutual political benefit so who knows. i don't know if they're going camping on the weekends or if they just smile nicely when they're in a photo op together. >> john: does this hurt demint and the heritage foundation? >> very much so. the heritage foundation will survive. it has been here a long time. it very much hurts demint. this was the first major piece of business under his ceo-ship. i'm surprised he wasn't more clever than this. actually i'm a lot surprised. it will hurt him. >> john: we'll have a special contribute to soulless south carolina republicans. i thank you for your expertise. rick ungar, always great to have your time and insight sir. why some people think gay conversion therapy should be against the law and why it soon

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>> john: today on wtf new hampshire, we investigate the curious taste of henry in a manchester carnival playing a game called tubs of fun. i know that sounds silly but due to copyright and trademark restrictions, they weren't able to use the original name loser dweeb ball. he lost $300 in just a few minutes so he did what most responsible adults would do, went home and got $2,300 more which he subsequently also lost. he believed it was rigged and i believe he's right. it was rigged against nimrods willing to spend their life savings tossing a ball into a carnival tub.

he wanted to punch out the teeth of the carney running the game but he didn't have teeth so instead he filed a complaint with the police. he thought it was the police. it was a clown with a london bobby hat and a billy club. he has started a victims advocacy support group suckers an on mouse. all attendees are given the chance to share their stories and double their money if they can toss their daily affirmation books into a styrofoam book three times. what is it burr beautiful state and your carnivals whether it is this one or that wacky one called the presidential primary there always ends up being way more losers than winners. now. (vo) she gets the comedians laughing and the thinkers thinking. >>ok, so there's wiggle room in the ten commandments, that's what you're saying. you would rather deal with ahmadinejad than me. >>absolutely. >> and so would mitt romney. (vo) she's joy behar. >>and the best part is that current will let me say anything. what the hell were

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>> john: welcome back. by most sane accounts, gay conversion therapy the does not

work. in one survey, only 3% who went through a program said they now feel heterosexual. 88% said it made no difference at all. meanwhile, a major study supporting this therapy has been recanted. the pan-american health organization says it could be bad for your health and overall it just seems like a better idea to enjoy life the way god or nature made you. gay conversion is garbage. but should it be illegal? should it be illegal at least for kids? a bill with the new york state legislature, mental health professionals could lose their license if they try changing the sexual orientation of any patient under 18. new jersey and massachusetts are also considering similar bans and california passed one into law last year. this could be a trend but here's the problem. should the government be able to tell a therapist what to say? california's ban has been halted while the courts figure out that very question. joining me now is new york state senator brad hoylman one of the

people coresponsers this bill in the new york legislature. senator, good evening, welcome to "viewpoint." >> hi, john, thank you so much for having me. >> john: it is a pleasure. what's your response to the critics who say that this violates the first amendment even though gay conversion may be a bad idea, do we always outlaw things because they're a bad idea? >> well, we outlaw things when they hurt people and certainly as the studies have shown you've indicated gay conversion therapy has the potential to hurt a lot of young kids who already have questions about their sexuality. >> john: i agree. does the legal challenge we're seeing in california make you concerned this bill could get struck down if it passes? >> you know, any bill has that potential. we think there is a lot of solid evidence that it will protect young people. it will protect families. you know, gay and lesbian kids have something like five times the average rate of suicide attempts than straight kids and

that's a problem i think government should address. >> john: of course we saw new jersey governor christie play hamlet struggling over his decision on this earlier in the year. does your ban for new york state have any effect on religious counseling or on parental guidance? >> it doesn't. in fact, it only sanctions licensed therapists or medical professionals. if you want to go to a religious person and try to get converted even if you're under the age of 18 this bill permits you to do that. what it does do is make certain that registered therapists do not practice this quackery on our young people. >> john: let me ask you, sir what exactly happens in common gay conversion therapy? and what kind of harm can it cause? >> well, i had a conversation recently with a constituent of mine who was 13 years old at the time, sent to a therapist by his parents. he had questions about his sexual identity. therapist proceeded to ask a lot of questions. there was traditional

psychotherapy approach. but then by the time the conversion came along he actually had electrodes attached to his genitals and was shocked every time there might have been a homoerotic image flashed before his eyes. >> john: that's in this century this is happening? >> shockingly yes, that's in the last decade. >> john: most people would get behind saifnlingsing any therapist who would attempt this. they would lose their license if they tried anything like this, under your bill. >> they would be sanctioned with the potential to lose their license, absolutely. the state regulates therapists here in new york and most states across the country and we have a responsibility to make certain that they are not engaged in this kind of consumer fraud. as well as harmful behavior. >> john: we've heard stories of a young lou reed being given electroshock therapy to curb his thoughts as a young man. it is shocking to think 50 years later this kind of thing still

happens. how do you legally differentiate between therapies that help kids figure themselves out and therapies that try to change their sexual orientation even if it is one that doesn't impose physical pain on them. >> well, there is a bright line you can draw between a therapist who is trying to approach a young person and make them deal with, you know, problems that everyone struggles with in terms of coming to terms with who they are as a person, versus the kind of therapy that would try to change them. the bottom line is that being gay isn't an illness it isn't a condition. it isn't anything that we should try to fix. and this bill would begin to address that practice which is happening in new york state and happening all across the country. >> john: senator, who in new york state is supporting this kind of therapy? who's advocating putting electrodes on the genitals of young people to curb their natural impulses? >> well, the southern poverty

law center is doing a lot of research on this. they've identified two registered therapists in the state of new york. dozens of others in other states including new jersey. so it is hard to believe but it does occur. i think it might be because there is a market for it. certainly among the religious right and other sectors of society and then you get a therapist to try to sell their quackery to these groups. >> john: senator, how can folks watching learn about the work you're doing and help assist in getting the ban passed? >> well, you can go to my web site. bradhoylman.com. you can certainly contact the southern poverty law center. they have an excellent report online. you can see where these therapists are actually practicing. they might be in your state or even in your neighborhood. >> john: new york state senator brad hoylman, thank you sir, for speaking with us this evening and thank you for your astute work on this issue. >> thanks so much, john.

pleasure to be here. >> john: thank you. the kidnapping of three women in ohio and it ended with a viral video of the day and a rescue that should have happened years ago. my panel of nonexperts talks about it coming up next. >> jack, how old are you? >> nine. >> this is what 27 tons of marijuana looks like. (vo) with award winning documentaries that take you inside the headlines, way inside. (vo) from the underworld, to the world of privilege. >> everyone in michael jackson's life was out to use him. (vo) no one brings you more documentaries that are real, gripping, current.

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his ability, is trying to look out for us. >> john: welcome back to "viewpoint". on social media skied you if the cleveland kidnapping was horrific inspiring or both? alliea phipps wrote... i agree, alliea and i think that there is more of this going on so the phrase if you see something, say something should apply to stuff going on right across the street in our neighborhoods. i wish i didn't have to say that. if you have a comment for the show, tweet us at john fuglesang, use the hashtag "viewpoint" or post it on our facebook page. now, in april 2003, one day before her 17th birthday, amanda barry went missing after leaving her job at a burger king in cleveland ohio.

police searched for years and it was assumed by many that amanda berry would never be found. in fact, a psychic on the montel williams show assured her mother her child was dead. monday afternoon cleveland police received this 911 call... >> john: and just how she got free is the most amazing part. after being held captive in this house for ten years allegedly by three brothers, ariel is the owner of the house in which she was kept, ms. berry was saved along with two other prisoners 23-year-old gina dejesus 32-year-old michelle knight and a 6-year-old child believed to be miss berry's. the three brothers are in police custody where they'll likely remain for the rest of their lives. the rescue was made possible by

charles ramsey who described the incident in the most beautiful colorful way possible. >> i heard screaming. i'm eating my mcdonald's. i come outside. i see this girl going nuts, trying to get out of a house. i go on the porch and she says help me get out. i've been in here a long time. so you know, i figured it was domestic violence dispute. i open the door. we can't get in that way because how the door is, it is so much that a body can't fit through. only your hand. we kick the bottom. she comes out with a little girl and she says call 911. my name is amanda berry. >> john: for more on this, i'm pleased to be joinedly l. joy williams of twib. and comedian christian finnegan, headlining the dayton funny bone may 23-26. his latest cd is a must own au contraire. and molly knefel who cohost

radio dispatch found at the radio dispatch.com. now, it is a weird topic for a panel that's 2/3 comedians. i think that when mr. ramsey woke up yesterday morning, he had no idea that he would become the hero america needs right now. chris christie saluted him for wrestling the girls before he finished his big mac. this is without a doubt, a howeverric story. it is a story with incredible joy. and some are calling it a miracle. so can this be described as a positive story? let me start with you l. joy. is it too dark? >> i think it is both. i think both, it is horrifying for years people have been searching for these young women and to find out they were only miles away from their homes is deeply troubling. particularly the number of instances that police were sent to that home and they weren't found. and i think it is also joyous and it gives a lot of hope to people who are still searching

for their loved ones, still searching for their daughter, still searching for little kids that there can be, with police work, with neighbors you know, that will help them find their children. >> john: it does seem like -- even though the women went through unbearable horrors over the last decade, i'm sure their parents are just so delighted they're alive and that their bodies haven't been recovered somewhere. christian, how did you feel like the story? >> the ugly part is coming. we're going to find out the sorted details. let's have it be a nice thing today. let's take 24 hours and look at the bright side because all of the nasty stuff, the details the balls that were dropped the mistakes that were made, it is all going to come down the pike within the next 12 to 16 hours. just for one day let's just revel in the fact that there's one nice dude out there somewhere. >> john: i agree. molly, how did you feel about the story? >> i was watching everyone's reaction and how excited everyone was about charles ramsey. it felt like it was -- like everyone was just like let's

look away from this horrible thing. let's look at this person. he's great. everybody was -- i think was celebrating how you know, what a character he was and also the act of courage of him actually saving these people. >> john: indeed. he's an international hero now. deservedly so. we're coming off a month that had this horrific terrorism bombing. congress voting to not have a vote on background checks for gun purchases. and then this terrible explosion in texas that is still criminally underreported in the mainstream media. to have a guy like this show up, mr. charles ramsey, a neighbor who saved these girls he said something very telling very fascinating in one of the interviews that's gotten a bit of play. >> i knew something was wrong when a little pretty white girl ran into a black man's arms. something is wrong here. dead give away. dead give away. >> charles, thank you very much. thank you very much for your

time. >> either she's homeless or she got problems. that's the only reason she run to a black man. >> john: that's worth it for the journalist having no idea what to say. >> he is so uncomfortable. he pats him on the chest and walks away. >> i've been in comedy 16 years. i don't have a catchphrase as good as dead give away. that's better than get er done. delivery of the joke. >> i think his time into one if you look at the full interview right. the majority of it, he is saying this is what we did to save this woman. this is what i recognized. this is what i saw to be able to help someone. then, as you say in terms of the light of the moment and trying to give some hope and some joy into it, at the end to say that, you know. but i am a little annoyed on lately it seems to be the mean to sort of characterize your black neighbor as being this funny person with -- that is getting a little annoying as we go on. what's interesting is he brings a new way of if you see

something, say something right. because most of the time when we see these stories happen, people think the person abducting children or the person harming people is a scary man that can't live next door to me or they live in some camp, you know, underground in kays or something like that. here's a man, when all of the stories in the people are saying we barbecued with him. we went to his house. >> john: just as we can say who would have guessed this man would wind up being the most heralded hero in america an unlikely hero and that that potential exists. he says he knew the other captor attended barbecues with him and so between his statement and the fact that the capture was known to so many in the neighborhood, does it seem like a depressing reason to rethink who -- i don't want to sound like greta van susteren but who we can trust and who we can't in our own neighborhoods? >> then you're playing whac-a-mole at a certain point. the whole point was there was no

way we would have known well then there's no way they would have known. i live in new york city so of course i treat all of my neighbors like psychopaths. i assume dead bodies and fingers and heads. >> also, i think that there's a way -- as horrific as a story there is a way because they're sensational, they kind of follow a movie story line almost, we pay attention to these and i think it is important to connect a kind of exceptional incidence of violence against these young kids, not women, to other forms of more persistent violence against women and children that get a little bit less play. >> john: that's why at the top of the show, we related this to what's going on with military sexual assaults right now. i think you're right. i fear this is the iceberg. we only see 10% of what's going on. in an era of sex trafficking how many other women and children are captives right now. the police said they went to arial castro's house in 2004 for

an incident and when no one answered the door, they left. an elderly neighbor reported calling the police when they spotted naked women in chains being treated like dogs in the backyard. cleveland police department did not follow up. also, these three girls were just being held blocks from where they were last seen. so in this era of finger pointing, i know we want to be positive today but how comfortable do we feel blaming shotty police work for this lasting so long? >> hopefully i hope this brings new light to missing persons cases and particularly, there are a number of cases that don't get followup attention. there's the collaboration with missing persons and the police department that doesn't happen. so hopefully this can shine the light on is are those holes and so how do we close the gap so that we can connect those dots in the future? >> john: let me show you this. this is one of those stories where you can only ask what the hell is wrong with the world? the only lesson is it needs to

be taken more seriously. here is a segment bill o'reilly did in 2007 about a boy who was abducted at age 11 and held for four years. >> the situation here for this kid looks to me to be a lot more fun than what he had under his old parents. he didn't have to go to school. run around do whatever he wanted. when it all comes down, what's going to happen is there was an element here that this kid liked about his circumstances. >> john: christian do attitudes like that make it easier for more monsters to get away with this stuff? >> john, it kind of seems like you're saying bill o'reilly spouted off unreasonably. it is weird that i get that vibe. >> john: i'm hurling that unfounded accusation. >> i don't want to give anything he says that kind of weight. >> john: isn't it symptomatic that people don't take it seriously? >> more a symptom of how people think in general. hopefully that will be the good that comes of it. people will start to realize that it is not up to you to

decide whether that kid was better with his parents the missing child. >> john: molly? >> i think that bill o'reilly can talk a lot about how other people feel to. imagine him for a second losing his autonomy over his life, if he was held captive for five minutes, he wouldn't be thrill and if he's somebody who likes to tell people who to do with their bodies and control the autonomy of other people, bill o'reilly can settle down on that. >> john: after the break we'll look at one of america's natural wonders mark sanford because he does make one wonder.

>> john: one final question for my guests, cnn has called the south carolina house race for mark sanford. does it mean it is okay for politicians to have affairs? >> i don't think they needed permission to begin with and i don't think they were waiting outside like the supreme court case to see if he wins and yes now we can go to our mistresses. i don't think that's what they were waiting for. >> john: is there good news for philanderers? >> cheat away. whatever you do, do not take a photo of your junk. >> john: if you're a republican, you can do the first stuff. >> molly? >> it has always been okay for politicians to cheat on their wives as long as they've got a very powerful establishment at their back which sanford does. >> john:. [ ding ding ] that's why this brings me to

tonight's commentary. here's a message from the south carolina board of tourism. from the foothills of the majestic blue ridge mountains to the cobblestone streets of historic charleston, the palmetto state is waiting for you. maybe it is time you explored south carolina's greatest tourism attraction, our bottomless supply of dip liss us to double talking tea bags. from strom thurmond who fought against segregation while secretly fathering a child he had with the family's black maid, i'm slur it was consensual to our beloved homophobe senator lindsey graham. from politician joe wilson screaming "you lie" at america's first black president during a state of the union address to senator jim demint opposing the shepherd hate crimes act before quitting his post to be a lobbyist to lieutenant-governor andre bauer comparing americans to animals that breed too much. we have a fate of patriotism and fiscal responsibility and that

pride flies as high as the flag of the anti-american enemy nation that rests imagestically atop our state's capital. nowhere are our values more evident than the resurrection of newly-elected congressman and deeply repentant christian mark sanford who south carolina voters have returned to the house of representatives where he previously served three terms in a special election tonight. now, lots of politicians commit adultery. only one voted to impeach bill clinton when i was in congress and then became governor to see this is of his argentinian girlfriend while lying to his wife and the entire state. talk about a multitasker. after he was charged with breaking 37 state ethics laws, was unanimously censored in you won't of being impeached violated court orders, publicly aluminum iliated the mother of his children. this man brought sleaze to public life and remains fateful and true to it in the public

sector too. this same governor did all he could to keep federal stimulus funds from helping the unemployed folks and our crumbling public education system and used taxpayer fund to pay for book signing travel, all of this while we ranked number two in unemployment and number 11 in child homelessness. he did the right thing. he told us jesus forgave him and said mean things about nancy pelosi and obamacare, proving it is okay to be a horrible christian as long as you're a good christian so come on down to south carolina! and if you're a lying cheating, swindling, hypocrite empty suit who tells us what we want to hear, we might elect you to office too. if you ever make a real mistake like working with democrats well we'll give you a chance to mend your ways. take lindsey graham, america's sweetheart. lindsey used to work with a democrat party on issues like immigration and climate change. so we censured him twice as public humiliation. he's like an obedient heroin who can't help screaming benghazi.

ninth lowest median household income second worst graduation rate, second worst in women killed by men and worst in the so-called union at reprimanding bad doctors we'll never hold our republicans responsible because they tell us who to blame because for being the first state to quit america so we could keep slaves and cutting the entire h.i.v. a.i.d.s. budget we have a history of being manly men to man's inhumanity to men. our politicians believe darwin was wrong and we here in south carolina are here to prove it! that's "viewpoint" for tonight. i want to thank all of my guests and tonight's panel l. joy williams from twib.fm. christian finnegan and molly knefel from radiodispatch.com as well as everyone on the show. we'll be back tomorrow night. i'm john fuglesang. this is current tv. we're still here. good night mom.

>> joy: he secretly had lap band surgery. the surgery went so well, next month, chris christie is going back for seconds. plus, i'll talk with marilu henner, one of the only people in the country with autobiographical memory. she remembers everything. who was i talking about? oh yeah, marilu henner. i'll go inside the cutthroat world of new york real estate with the million dollar listing new york. all of that and more next.