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this show is about analyzing criticizing, and holding policy to the fire. are you encouraged by what you heard the president say the other night? is this personal, or is it political? a lot of my work happens by doing the things that i'm given to doing anyway, by staying in touch with everything that is going on politically and putting my own nuance on it. in reality it's not like they actually care. this is purely about political grandstanding. i've worn lots of hats, but i've always kept this going. i've been doing politics now for a dozen years. (vo) he's been called the epic politics man. he's michael shure and his arena is the war room. >> these republicans in congress that think the world ends at the atlantic ocean border and pacific ocean border. the bloggers and the people that are sort of compiling the best of the day. i do a lot of looking at those people as well. not only does senator rubio just care about rich people, but

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walk the plank at the i were.rs. first we will talk about it. we'll cover the news, bring you up to date, give you a chances to sound off about it at 866-557-7377. your comments welcome on twitter. love to hear from you on twitterasas bp show and on good-bying. it is facebook.com/billpressshow. become our friend on facebook. we will love you forever. the pope saying basically, it doesn't matter whether you believe or not. it doesn't matter whether you are catholic or jew or baptist or a non-believer or an atheist. we are all going to get to heaven together as long as we do good works. >> that's sort of the shooting the hell out of 2000 years of

catholicism. worth talking about this morning, and we will. good to see you. did to see our team. peter ogburn and dan henning henning with alicia cruz on the phones here and cyprian boulding keeping us looking good on current tv. we are coming to you on current tv and on your local progressive talk radio station, of course and on sirius xm this hour only. so the president got a big surprise yesterday. we should have warned him, you know. we do have a friend niabenjamin an active visible, out spoken pro-peace o, anti-war organization, if you will. she has been in studio with us several times. we should have warned the

president. if you are going out there to give a speech about drones, you better watch out for her. i see her often in front of the white house on gitmo and other issues. she leads many many proceed tests, and somehow, she got intointo god knows how. how did she do this? >> no idea. she got into the national defense university. >> that's like penetrating the east room of the white house, but there she is. the pentagon, you would think there would be a little better security. she got in there and waited until the appropriate time and she stood up and interrupted the president of the united states. they went back and forth. >> today -- >> it where are the 102 people. >> today -- >> these desperate people. >> i am about about to address it, ma'am. you have to let me speak. >> you are our commander in chief. close guantanamo today. >> why don't you let me address

it, ma'am? why don't you sit down and i will tell you exactly what i am going to do. >> today. today. that will. >> thank you, ma'am. >> thank you, ma'am. thank you. ma'am. thank you. >> i just -- >> let me finish my sentence. >> whoever was in charge of that event, come on you know. a little better security. you might want to know who is coming in there. and niger, the president, he did get a great line off when he said, you know, freedom of speech? how about me? freedom of speech. >> ma'am, now, let me finish. let me finish, ma'am. now, this is part of free speech is you being able to speak but also, you listening, and me being able to speak. [applause.] >> all right? >> bill: imagine how chris christie would have handled that

woman. woman, you sit down. you hear? >> not sot nicely. >> shut up. >> bill: yes, that's what he would have said. shut the f up. >> shut-up. >> i don't think he would have called her ma'am. >> no. >> anyhow so madia, we love you, but that was a little over the line, i think. and i just, again, the people who were in charge of that event, let's tighten it up the next time. okay? ? >> the president of the united states, she has a reputation for crashing events. code pink has a reputation for crashing events. >> by this time, every security officer in washington, d.c. should know what madiabenjamin looks like. >> she is a fun person. she is about this high. >> she is easy to spot. she is always wearing pink. almost always wearing pink. >> totally decked in pink but you see people interrupting

these hearings. it's always madia benjamin. they should know by now. we will be talking about the president's speech, about what he said about drones. we will also be talking to the father of one. prisoners at gitmo today, from kuwait, leader of the aclu and here to talk about the president's new dronepom and because it's memorial day weekend, we are going to tell you about what beers to drink this weekend. yes, and the pope has said ath the istests, you are as good as we are. >> seems barack obama was quite the charmerback in high school. time magazine yesterday published pictures of the then 17-year-old from his 1979 prom in hawaii where he had his afro-like lock hair and his classmate, kelly allman offered

up the photos and a shot of obama signing her yearbook. he called her extremely sweet and foxy in the note and asked her to call him to hang out over the summer. >> oh, boy. >> he was 17. he was in hawaii. >> absolutely. didn't know michelle. yet. >> i bet am times were good. >> since injured baseball player alex rodriguez isn't playing baseball, he has time to work the the real estate market. he sold his home for $30 million in miami made a whopping $15 million profit on the property. the sale moving quickly whoever the buyer is wants a-rod out within two weeks. >> nothing better to do. >> exactly. he is not busy. if you are thinking of heading to universal orlando for the holiday weekend, get ready to pay up.

the theme park has raised prices to $92 for a single-day pass. >> that's up 3 bucks from last season. it is the first of any orlando-based theme back to crack 90 day threshold. u.s.a. reporting disney will likely follow suit t happens around the same time of year with a price hike but it's cheaper for a 3 day am pass 47 bucks a day, almost half price. >> one day if you go one day. >> one person, one adult $92. universal studios. >> does that cover all of the rides? >> yeah. in that one theme park. >> having worked in the theme park industry in orlando flashings florida, this is a way for them to push you to buy like a three-day pass so you can go to all of the different parks because it's not just one park. they have multiple parks. >> universal does?

>> and disney but if you buy one that says for three days, you can go to all of them and you will spend more money. >> were you goofy? what did you do? >> i was actually in the -- i did a couple much things but i was a character because i am so tall. the goofy character is tall. i was, in fact goofy. i really was. >> you used the wrong thing. >> i didn't have to wear a costume. s i was goof sglshing it was not i was goofy. i am goofy. >> i have cousins down there with their kids 93 bucks a day? whoa. >> if you go -- >> a week. >> cheaper. >> if you go and you buy one ticket to one park for one day, that's sort of a sucker move if you go to orlando. don't do that. >> okay. >> take it from me. >> okay. >> theme park expert having

worked there? >> i don't think this is a problem. i am never going to have to. >> no. >> not going take the granted kids? >> no. i let carol do that. >> seriously, carol took our sons to sghedisneyland living in california. yes go. let's go right to it. i have to tell you. i wanted to start here today because this intrigues me because i am talking about what the pope had to say day before yesterday. i have been thinking about it ever since. i would love to get your take on it. okay. i was raised a catholic. okay? and, you know, i was taught and i know people of other face have been taught this, too. but i was taught, there is only one door to heaven. that door has a great big c on it and that stands for catholic and if you are not a catholic you can't go through that door. and everybody else is going to burn in hell. they just can't get there. maybe -- may not be fair but i

remember the priests saying my mother was going to burn in hell because she wasn't a catholic. we were. shep wasn't. and i remember also, it's not just catholics but it was you have to do this stuff. >> that's what catholics have to do. and this is the only way to heaven. now, remember, george bush w. got in trouble with his mother because he once said that whatever -- what are they? episcpale episc eopalians. >> southern baptists? >> i am not sure. anyway, whatever faith he was, let's say it was southern baptise, he was saying unless you are southern baptist, you can't go to heaven and am his mother said, that's wrong at a time got softer maybe you don't have to be a roman catholic but you have to be a christian. protestant, you know, or catholic but if you believe in

jesus, then you can get to heaven. but no non-christians get to heaven. well, the pope the other day said, it doesn't matter whether you -- not only does it matter what faith you believe in. so jew or christian or muslim or baptist or protestant or catholic or buddhist or whatever. you can even be a non-believer. the pope said -- i'm paraphrasing but that's what he said. you can't be an atheist and still get to heaven because the pope said the only thing that matters is. are you doing good? are you doing good works? and he said, that's where we will all come together. and the pope pointed out, and the people who were going -- who were going around saying if he's not one much us he cannot do good. if he's not of our party he cannot do good. the pope said, that's just wrong. in fact, he went so far as to say that the apostles the original apostles were rather

intolerant because they had in the attitude, unless you follow us the following jesus, you know, you are not -- you are not for real. right? and the pope just blew that whole theory to hell so that raises a question to me i would love to get your take on too. i am wondering, so what's it all mean? right? if it doesn't matter whether you believe or not, if then why do you do what the church says you've got to do? what's organized religion all about? i mean i know it's sort of a radical question but have all of these gazill the ions of people been suckerred in for so many years by organized religion? what about all of these cath catholics weibull if they didn't go to church every sunday, uh-uh, burn in hell. if they didn't do exactly what the pope said every sunday. if they didn't eat fish on friday and dared to eat meat on friday, used to be that way,

then, you know, you are going to go to hell. if they didn't go to con fleefths once a year and go to communion every easter sunday, they were going to burn in hell. all of this stuff. and every religion but particularly the catholic religion. >> i grew up southern baptist, and while there were plenty of, you know, we want to church a lot, several times a week, and we had some weird rules to follow, we dent have the catholic, like you said, the giving things up for lent. >> yeah, give up for lent. >> and all of the traditions. and if nothing else, the pope certainly sort of showed that maybe that stuff isn't quite as important. just do good. >> yeah. yeah. >> bill: by the way, which i believe, but for the pope to say and atheist s, it doesn't matter, he sort of says, i think he already says, organized religion is just a bunch of bunk. now, pope francis. didn't say that but you could

read that it seems to me. 866-55-press. am i taking that too far? should we i am paetsch theimpeach the pope. >> fire eric holder and then the pope. you are on a role. >> michelle bachman could impeach the pope. >> radio meets television "the bill press show," now on current tv. am when i first felt the diabetic nerve pain, of course i had no idea what it was. i felt like my feet were going to sleep. it progressed from there to burning... that viewers like about the young turks is that we're honest. they can question whether i'm right, but i think that the audience gets that this guy, to the best of his ability, is trying to look out for us.

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(vo) true stories, current perspective. documentaries. on current tv. am can [ music ] >> this is "the bill press show" >> bill: pope francis saying, it's okay. you can be an atheist. it's as good as being a catholic. no difference. goofy? >> on the idea of atheists going to heaven, ron says the ritual can be comforting for some folks. >> bill: okay.

>> m zady did it ever occur to the pope atheists don't believe in heaven so it's a moot point for them. >> he says we will be together. he might have meant colorado springs or something. i don't know. >> i am sure that's what he meant. >> joey out in chicago. what do you say? >> caller: boy, here. i think that's the truth. i really do. people with out-of-body experiences when they die and pass away, when they come back, even if they aren't religious, they have the same pleasant experiences as religious people do. i think that's the truth. if you do good works, i think you are on your way. and i think money is the thing that's going to keep you out of heaven because with money, then you think you are the god. i think that's the problem. money. >> bill: joey, that's a good comment. by their fruits, you should know

them. jesus said that. didn't he? mike in fort morgan colorado. what do you say? >> caller: you know, as a christian perspective, i have been raise today believe a certain way in the bible, in my opinion hasn't changed. i don't see how a new personnd comes and says you don't have to believe that. follow this and we are supposed to take his word for it. you know and no disrespect to anybody. >> bill: i understand. you can disagree. you are saying you don't buy what the pope is saying? >> caller: i mean there is a word in the bible and it hasn't changed. i tend to follow what was written around the time. >> bill: i got it, mike. i got it, mike. you are saying the pope is full of beans. >> this is "the bill press show." [ music ]

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people pope and what he said about atheists. basically that it's good works that decides whether or not you get saved or not. an atheist has just a good of a chance of getting saved as a catholic or a jew or a believer as long as they do good works. pretty revolutionary radical stuff here. >> on twitter where we are at bp show rusty says pope frank is bad for the church business. what can you expect from a former community organizer who worked for the poor. not bad. >> bill: a double-edged sword there. let's see one more call here before we move on to new stuff. geoff calling. >> caller: i would need more than a couple of seconds to break down your history and bible. the bible was not inspired or

written by god. it was in 325 a.d. as the council of nioce were having an ecumenical council meeting who picked a person and it took 750 years to make it to jesus christ. >> nicea, actually, it is. but go ahead. >> until you know what i am talking about. yeah, yeah. you know what i am talking about. >> bill: all right. right or wrong? it's one of the most powerful riches money, people are stilling all of the people of their wealth and was afraid of what would happen to their soul. >> bill: i think i know which team you play on. i don't think you play on the

believer team. i think you play on the non-believer team. the pope says pourmore power to you. appreciate the call. there is some other news here this morning i want to bring you up to date with. first of all, i don't know what's going on here, but the stuff that's collapsing all over the place. we had the collapse of a parking garage right outside of washington here in bethesda maryland where one person was killed and yesterday evening, a collapse of -- this is just like what happened in minneapolis-st. paul, i-5, which is the major north-south freeway on the west coast, a bridge an i-5 bridge in washington state collapsed, just miraculously, nobody killed. >> it's amazing. >> bill: there are cars on the bridge. right? people ended up in the water. i am pretty sure. >> they were >> bill: unless they were walking. but three people thrown in the water. they were rescued.

no deaths there but that's pretty scary stuff. it was just reported an earthquake in california a 5.7 on the richter scale, which is -- that's pretty serious. up in the northeast part of the state, plumice county susanville is the biggest town up there it's hard to say it's a city. but it was felt as far south as sacramento, in the least populated part of california that northeast part of california. i must admit, i think i have been in 57 out of 58 counties in california. i don't think i have ever been in plumice county that i can remember, at any rate. so i wanted to bring you up to date on that. and the other earth-shaking event, if you will yesterday the boy scouts. the boy scouts making a big change. not as big as some people are making it out to be but it is a significant change in that they voted, these local leaders, 1400

of them, i think, that got together to decide on the policy of the boy scouts banning any gays from belonging to the boy scouts and, you know, they sort of split it right down the middle yesterday. they voted, yes, you can be a gay boy scout but you cannot be a gay boy scout leader. one woman who was -- this is, by the way, for can you be scouts boy scouts and explorer scouts. so it's like every branch, if you will of the scouts. there is one woman, jennifer terrell. she's been very involved in this, the litigation over this issue. she was a can you be scout leader. she was forced out of the can you be scouts in her position as can you be scout leader because even though her son wasn't a member of the can you be scouts she was a lesbian. she said yesterday this is not everything we wanted but we are moving in the right direction.

>> this is what we have been working for. it's a small step in the right direction, but it's huge in another way. >> bill: and she said, obviously, we are not going to leave it here. we still have a lot of work to do. >> obviously, we have a little work to do until i can join and families like ours can join the scouts but we couldn't be happier that they are finally moving in the right direction. >> bill: you know, i just don't get it with this. it seems to me look. it's either okay to be gay or it's not. and it is. right? and on issue if it's okay -- what is the message the boy scouts are sending? i think they are sending a message that it's okay to discriminate against gays and lesbian s, members of the lgbt community because they are lgbt. and if they say, you cannot be gay and be a scout leader they

haven't changed that basic message. right? have they? >> no. no. no. >> bill: what am i missing here? >> you know, for me i think that if it's far more troubling that if you are a gay father and your son is in boy scouts that you can't join and be a leader, which a lot of fathers do. i mean if your kid wants to go into the scouts, you join up and you help, that you can't be there with your son. >> i did that. i was a boy scout and then when at least one of our sons, mark was in the scouts, i used to go on hike did and help organize the hikes and help out with the scout leaders? >> personally, i find that more troubling and the fact they didn't address that shows that this is not real progress. >> bill: there were, by the way, even this is not going to be accepted widely or put it this way. it's not going to be accepted universally.

right? there were -- i saw one geotelevision last night who was saying that the boy scouts he said, estimate themselves that something like 225,000 boy scouts will quit the boy scouts now because of this open door to gay scouts. i don't know what that's based on. we talked about this before here on the full court press. this policy is wrong. it's a dated policy. it's an out-of-date policy. like many of our open discrimination against gays and lesbian s in this country is wrong. and gradually, look at same-sex marriage. gradually, we are getting rid of a lot of those forms of discrimination. it has persisted in the boy scouts. it's wrong. it should change. but if they are going to change it, it seems to me they've got to change it across the board, not just to say, okay.

until -- when you are a little boy -- here is what they are trying to say. when you are a little boy and you don't know any better. right? it's okay. >> that's one way to interpret it. >> bill: i think it's okay. but, you know, when you are 18 or when you are a grown up and you know it's not right, we are not going to allow you because you are a grown up. you could just turn it off. >> right. >> right. you could go to marcus bachman's clinic and he could pray the gay away. right? >> what they are saying. nonsense. >> you accept it or you don't. you either discriminate or you don't. for them to say, you are welcome in our group until you are an adult, and then you have to get out. >> bill: the more i think about it, the more nuts i think it is because they are also saying, you can be a boy scout and grow into scouts and learn all about

the scouts and get, you know, dedicated to the scouts and really believe i want to continue to work with the scouts, and my mission to bring other -- to bring kids into the scouts and to help them learn and grow, but you can't. once you get to 18, then -- >> see you later. >> see you later. right. so i guess at the most, it's one hand clapping for what the with boy scouts did yesterday. when we come back gitmo, the president has been trying to close it. yesterday, even, as part of that speech, he said i am going to do more than i have done. i am going to take executive action because congress has not allowed me to close gitmo entirely. we'll talk to the father of one of the prisoners at gitmo and get his take on what the president says when we come back here on the "full-court press"

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get there you by the way, we are going to end the show today with a visit from the brewmeisters, the first and only here in washington, d.c. the dc brow. is that what they are called? >> a fine beer. so we are looking forward to that here we will wait until the end of the show the president, in addition to talking about drones also talked about guantanamo bay. why he wants to close it and some initial steps he is going to take to free -- move some of the prisoners out of guantanamo bring some to american soil to try some of them in american courts and meanwhile, with 166

prisoners still at guantgaubt bay, many on a hunger strike, it still a serious problem facing this country and facing this president that he is trying to deal with. joining us on a news line this morning, khalid alolda his son, falsey is still there at gitmo. mr. alolda thankful for joining us this morning. >> you are welcome, bill. i am glad to join you. >> let me discussions if you could tell us, how long has your son been at guantanamo bay, and what was he charged with? >> he has been there for 11 years now. there is no official charge against him until now. it is surprising us very much.

this is really not all of the americans >> bill: how did he end up in guantanamo bay? was he arrested by u.s. authorities? for what? >> well, falsey he has this area the border of pakistan and afghanistan where there is a lot of refugees there, needs some aid and help. falsey went in 2000 and help them in the summertime during his vacation and, also, he did that on 2001. that fine. he was being hunted down being captured by the tribesmen and being told to the americans unfortunately.

>> is it possible that -- do you believe, that he was involved in some terrorist activity that you just did not know about? >> well, bill even i am sure that he is not, but this is not the issue. now you have a percentage being held for 11 years without giving him a day in court so he could prove his innocence. >> absolutely. i agree with you. i am one of millions of americans who believe this is un-american, what we are doing at guantanamo and at least people should know what they are charged with and be given a chance to defend themselves. so what recourse do you have or does he have? is there any way that he can

bring his case and have a chance to defend himself? >> we thought in early 2002, to file file, which the court rejected and another -- another lawsuit and then to the supreme court. the supreme court in 2004 accepted the case. >> bill: uh-huh. >> caller: the decision of the supreme court that the detainees in guantanamo have the right to be tried in american courts. american courts is a wide devon in addition, you know, so they come up with this kind of kangaroo court and we continue

on our struggle until we reach out to another decision of the supreme court in 2011. and we continue on that the it's now 11 years without having a chance for falsey to be justified which he can defend himself and prove his innocence. the last letter we received from him, from kandahar he said thank god, i am with the americans. they will soon discover that i am innocent and, in no time i will be back home. so now it is 11 years without sitting with him without seeing

him in person. >> well, mr. aloda, i thank you for joining us this morning and i hope, as an american, that the day will come soon when your son will have that opportunity which we are proud of providing in this country, an opportunity to hear what he is charged with to defend himself, and then let justice be done. justice has not been done in guantgaubt bay for the last 11 years. this is the full court press on a friday morning. >> this is "the bill press show."

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>> bill: hey, good morning, everybody. what do you say? it is friday may 24th. here we go memorial day weekend begins right here on the full court press on current tv. a lot of news on several fronts today. president obama, major speech at the national defense university where he defended the use of drones but said we are going to cut back on their use and transfer responsibility for drones from the state department. i mean, sorry, the cia over to the pentagon. meanwhile, the boy scouts making a big step yesterday saying it is okay to be a boy scout and be gay. you just can't be a boy scout leader and be gay unless you sign up for markus bachman's pray the gay away clinic. lois learner, the latest irs

leader to walk the plank. some people say this is too little, too late, and she should have been the first to walk the plank. they was in charge of that 501 c 4 policy. anthony weiner says he has done his penance, he's spent enough time taking care of the baby. it's ready to get back into politics and running for mayor of new york as a second chance. not everybody is so excited about that. governor andrew cuomo says shame on us if we reelect ianthon e wiener. all of that and more. we get your calls and comments right here on current tv.

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saying it's okay to be gay and be a boy scout. it is not okay to be gay and be a boy scout leader. lois loisler lois lerner who was in charge of the irs tax policy has been forced to walk the plank. we'll cover it all and take your comments at 866-55-press. >> that's the way to reach us by phone our toll-free line. your comments on twitter wedge and on facebook at facebook/bill press show. here to help us take apart the president's president's speech peace by peace and plank by plank, chris landers is the senior legislative counsel for the aclu. good to have you back. >> good morning. >> a neighbor here on the hill. a member of the hill tribe, the growing hill tribe of guests on the "full-court press." joining the team peter ogburn and dan henning.

>> hey hey hey. >> alicia cruz on the phones and cyprian boulding as always. chris, you have big plans? >> staying in town. now maybe hershey park. >> yeah. that is a fun place. >> check out the roller coasters on the enter theinternet last night. >> what i remember, growing up, hershey was like couldn't go to florida, you didn't have enough money so hershey was the nearest big, like, amusement park. i remember driving there and smelling the chocolate as you got within five miles or something. >> i think they pump that through the air vents to make sure you stick around. >> big excitement in new york we know with a new candidate for

mayor. he got off to a rocky start. he put up his first, his web page and there was a city skyline in back of his name, the city skyline and somebody noticed was not the skyline of manhattan. it was of pittsburgh, pennsylvania. >> oops. >> off to a rocky start. first guy fired in the wiener campaign. >> people often confuse pittsburgh and new york city maybe the mostly recognizable skyline anywhere. >> jay leno, you know this is fodder for late night comics it. >> sure nunow the peter tweeter. you know that whole story. he announced he is running for mayor of new york city but he is having some problems. a lot of democrats are distancing hapless from him. they say he doesn't represent the party. what are they talking about? every day the white house gets caught with their pants down. he couldn't be more

representative of the party. >> will not be the last joke we hear about the anthony wiener campaign. he deserves a second chance. i am not saying i am endorsing him. i am saying i think he is going to do pretty well. he was an effective member of congress. people remember the good part and not that one embarrassing incident mark sanford is back. >> if mark can ford can come barks anthony weiner can come back. >> president obama and a very important speech yesterday on our policy on national security. we will get into that in the great depth and take your calls. but first >> this is the full court press. >> other headlines making news on this friday, the hero of cleveland is set for life when it comes to hamburgers. do you remember charles ramsey, the man who helped free the women who were held captive in his neighbor's home for over a decade decade? he made headlines because he was eating a mcdonald's hamburger.

now, a dozen if very long added karls ramsey burgers, with the secret sauce. the cleveland plain dealer reports any time miles per hour ramsey goes into one of those restaurants, the burger is on the house for life. >> honest to god man. he deserves t anybody. >> he deserves it. >> we said at the time i hope mcdonald's gives him a lifetime pass. they really should. >> yeah. >> ed markey running for the open senate seat had to return a campaign donation check to actor chevy chase, not because he didn't want the $500 or there was anything i will blel it but chevy chase forgot to sign the check. the boston herald reports chase thought it was a joke when he got it back but then he saw the one important thing forgot to do to make it valid. >> that's an old trick, by the way. you send in a check but you don't sign it.

yeah. >> you keep the money a little longer, you know. >> yeah. >> maybe they won't notice. you know. >> yeah. >>. >> a new novel on michelle bachman. the main female character in "fires of siberia" written by trey segger is inspired by the life of the tea party congresswoman. she is described as being, quote, if you will of fire brand and red-state sex appeal. she is beefing up her foreign policy see experience. only she and one man survive. the author says he has never met

bachman. >> chris, we were anticipating the president's speech yesterday because you and i talked several times on the show about the drone policy. we were looking forward to that. but let's start with the president first of all, kind of put what we used to call the war on terror in new perspective. here is the first, where he what we are doing, though is legitmat. >> the united states is at war with al-qaeda, the taliban and their associated fors. we are at war with an organization that right now would kill as many americans as they could if we did not stop them first. so this is a just war, a war waged in self defense. >> the president defends what we are doing but he also says it will not last forever.

right? >> yeah. i think that's one of the big take-aways from the speech is that here we have a president and president bush said this is a war that's going to last for our life times. right? president obama seems to have been acting that way for most of his presidency. he is saying this is a war that has to be brought to an end not just the war in iraq, not just the war in afghanistan but this kind of forever war where the president has been ordering drone strikes and the use of military, all over all over the map, and he basically said we have to have -- we have to call this to an end and so he said that if he is going to work with congress on trying to narrow the authority that congress gave him 12 years ago, gave the president 12 years ago, so it's going to be more focused on the threat that he sees out there, but that he doesn't want the country to be at war forever.

>> bill: now, president bush in his speech at west point where he sort of laid forth his policy asserted that the united states has right to go anywhere any time and take on anybody we perceive to be an enemy of the united states even without -- the president does without a declaration of war. is that still in place or is this a new obama snell? >> look. there have been tween president and last president, very broad claims of the president's authority to use lethal force around the world. and i don't think that this is a sign that he is giving that up as much as he is saying that he wants to restrain himself and then he wants, also congress to pull back the authority that they gave back in 2001 after 9-11. so this is a big shift, now i

think for most of us who would kind of say, guantanamo, when he gave the authority to use force in afghanistan. but this is a big shift. what it means is that the president is recognizing the cost of the country in constantly being at war year after year after year and is a cost um, obviously a huge financial cost, over a trillion dollars. in the name of this so-called war. so i think et cetera recognizing that and basically saying there is a time to pull this, you know, pull this back and to am enter. >> do you think that means that there will be a -- that there will be a an amended or a new

version? >> yeah. lund see graham, john mccain camp of the republican party who want a very broad -- >> right. yeah. >> authorization for use of military force. but then there are other members of that party, the republican party, the rand paul, mike lee crowd who want to narrow the president's authority. >> walter jones? >> yeah. and then within the -- for the democrats, who are looking to the president for direction, and so, you know, this is something that i think it's going to be a longer term back and forth between the president and congress. we are always worried when depressed congress depressed involved in this that things don't turn out well. but this is a good side. this is the president's, you know, what he is looking to do. >> right. so then, the authorization for the use of force has been invoked as an excuse and cover

for doing a lot of things, you know, the nsa wiretapping. >> yeah. >> use of torture and the use of drones. now, the president yesterday did not say he will never use drones again. he did start, dan, if we can play that, he did start by saying drones have come in handy, have been useful in a lot of cases. >> dozens of highly skilled al-qaeda trainers bomb makers have been taken off of the battlefield. plots have been disrupted that would have targeted international aviation u.s. transit systems, european cities and our troops in afghanistan. >> bill: so what distinction there will be with our drone policy from this speech yesterday. >> that is real mixed bag here in terms of the drone policy. some really good steps in the right direction. there was a -- he basically is ending the use of what are

called signature strikes. >> uh-huh? >> the drones have been used in two different ways by this president. one has been to go after and identify targets. so they identify somebody. they believe that person is dangerous in one way or another. we kind of disagree with the standard that they are setting out. but there are some they are looking for and going after that person. >> right. >> a lot of times, they miss that person. they get the wrong person. they get other people with that person. but those are kind of the very focused ones. but then they've had these signature strikes which basically are they have a drone out there observing what's going on and they see what they view as suspicious activity. so, it is kind of patterns of behavior. they have no idea who these people are. but they see them, you know they are people who are carrying guns, people who are exercising together, you know, groups of young, you know, 20-ish age men, you know congregating together. and then based on that pattern

of behavior that they see, they basically wipe out the whole group. >> yeah. >> so this has been this really horrific policy. >> a lot of civilians have been killed as collateral damage, if you will. >> yeah. yeah. and then, you know, it's kind of like, you know, this view of like kill them out and let god sort them out is kind of the view of the world. that's something that he has brought to an end yesterday by with his speech, he said he said that the standard that they are going to be applying is a standard they have been applying to american citizens. >> yeah. >> which is it has to be identifiable target, has to be a high-level associated forces operative. we will see if that actually happens because this is something, this is all within the president's claims of power. so he's basically saying, i have the power to do signature strikes. i have the power to do all of this. i am restraining myself. >> okay. the other thing the president talked about and we will take a break and get to that when we

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friends, it seems like. i am sure this will drive republicans even crazier that chris christie has sort of embraced the job the president has done on drafter relief. now they are getting together again. >> what's the president doing about gitmo? >> shearhere is the problem that i think is part of the president's creation. he didn't create guantanamo there, the detainees there but he came in to office with a strong commitment to close gitmo quickly and didn't follow through. the problem got worse and worse and he never invested any political capital. yesterday was a commitment to invest political capital. he has some obvious stack els in his way. there were some obstacles congress passed, he signed, that make it harder to move people out of guantanamo but he still has a lot of power left. and for the last couple of years, a lot of us who have been working on the guantanamo issues

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derrick thompson covers economic issues for the atlantic based in new york. senior editor. give him his due but when it comes to washington, d.c., he stops by to see us. >> good to be back >> bill: what is going on with the market? it's like nothing slows them down? >> it's interesting, for the last three years we have this a thermostatic recovery, added about 150, 165,000 jobs per month. but it's only in the last six months really that the dow has really gotten on a kick. >> yeah. >> you know, corporations are healthy. they managed finances frugally. often, they didn't hire a lot of people. frugal from the corporate perspective and not the best possible scenario from the rest of the country's perspective and now they have they have they are reaping the dividends and we are seeing corporate profits as a

share of gdp are at an all-time high. >> bill: the fact that the dow has grown like 60% under obama. right? what is its effect over 15,000 now say about the american economy? >> it's a weird schism because you have this slowly recovering labor market and quickly recovering stockmarket. i think this is one of the themes of 2013. i think we were talking about it in january. we are going to be debating it in december. what exactly is going on? how are these courses having these incredible earnings and these earnings aren't exactly trickling down, so to speak, to the labor market. you know, it speaks to the fact that for a long time productivity advances and the labor market, wages, jobs, these two things have sort of de-coupled for the last 20 years. we have seen productivity race ahead a lot faster than wages and it really is one of the great, you know, economic

mysteries, i think, of the last generation. it's continuing today. >> bill: right. i guess it means that what i hear you saying is these companies have figured out how to make more money by hiring fewer people. >> right. it's partly that. it's also the fact that agreeablization has happened. right now, you are seeing a situation where with apple, they got in trouble for their corporate income tax schemes. they made make 61% of their revenue overseas. we look at multi-national. >> sales? >> through sales, right. exactly. multi-nationals, take any representative sample, the share of their overall revenue that has come from overseas markets has grown in the last 15, 20 years from about 33% to about 50%. so these american companies are american in terms of where they incorporate but they are not truly american in terms of where they do business. they are doing much more business overseas. in order to do business overseas, they are putting more of their subsidiaries, hiring

more people overseas. that keeps down costs and so you are seeing growing u.s. corporate profits and not necessarily growing u.s. jobs, because they are going where the money is. >> bill: now, you mentioned apple. okay? we are here with derek thompson senior editor for the "atlantic." i think what we saw this week, if you look at the hearing on the irs and the hearing on apple, the message i saw coming out of washington is, it's bad to be a tax collector. it's good to be a tax cheat. congress just fell in love with tim cook even though he was basically there because apple's making all of this money and paying very little in taxes. the irs is there because they are trying to get every tax dollar we are owed. >> right. here is the interesting difference that hei see. the irs was trying to figure out, albeit in somewhat sketchy

ways who was breaking the law. but it's actually not anybody's accusation that apple was breaking the law. the accusation was that apple was aking legally in ways that we feel uncomfortable with. the way to fix that second problem, the apple problem, is to change the law. if you ask me, i think it's going to be pretty much impossible to fix the apple problem. what we have overseas is a quickly growing developing world that u.s. companies want to sell in to and a tax labrynth that they will always be able to hide money in no matter what kind of law we create to tax u.s. corporate earnings anted entreatabroad it's going to be impossible to collect this money. it's like squeezing the toothpaste into the tube. it's out there. the money is out there. it's going to be hard to tax it. even if apple is acting sketchily, i don't think we have a solution to end the sketchiness.

>> bill: i hear what you saying. this money is overseas. as some people pointed out. we had an e-mail on this that will $100,000,000,000 or so that supposedly was their overseas money is actually in new york in banks in new york. but it's just like they check the box overseas somehow. somehow, it's identified as overseas investments. >> right. the amazing ding, i mean apple and ge and google these companies that are enormous and do enormous business overseas also make enough money to buy the best tax division that has existed in the history of the world. >> that's the answer. >> they understand the double irish, the dutch sandwich, these terms that, you know, you put them all together. >> breakfast? >> sexual positions. >> i am on continental breakfast. >> sorry. >> the rest of the newsroom. >> sorry. >> you know, they understand how

to do this and we can't tell ireland how to design their taxes. it's not 1960. we can't go around to the rest of the world and say we are the most powerful country in the world and if you don't, we will punish you. ireland is saying we need to recover. we are going to have a corporate income tax rate of 12% that's a third essentially of the u.s. corporate tax rate, statutory rate. we can't tell them to change that. and as long as the countries are in a quasi race to the bottom when it comes to corporate taxes, it's going to be very difficult for the u.s. to pretend that we can somehow raise enough money through the corporate income tax code. >> bill: we are talking about, i guess, what i hear you saying the bottom line is apple is going to could not to do whatever the hell appear el warrants to do. >> absolutely. i come to the situation as a

liberal. i want us to afford infrastructure and a proper defense system and education. we should raise enough money to do all of these thing. but corporate income taxes are near their 60 year low as a share of federal low. we are raising money in other ways. the income tax code through social security, through maybe a gas tax or a carbon tax. there is other ways to raise money. and i think we need to manage our expectations in terms of how much money we can expect to glean from companies doing business around the world. >> they will always be bigger and smarter and more clever than we are? >> there will always be places to hide those earnsings in the tax labirinth in the globe. we should tax americans doing work in america. we know we can get that money. we are not terrible at estimating how much tax revenue is going to come in. the cbo is good at it. the white house is good at it. we know how to raise money and it's done through income taxes

and social security taxes. >> bill: i would ask you one other question about these international firms, businesses, particularly those exporting jobs. it's something that bugs me and i haven't heard people talking enough about it. >> that's bangaladesh, this latest collapse of this building with 1100, i think maybe the death toll finally, leveled out at that? we are rightfully upset, about 24 people being killed in oklahoma. 1100 people in the collapse of one building in bangladesh and wal-mart was there. god knows what other american firms were there selling products made in those buildings. >> right how can they get away with it? >> the dark side of globalization, i think, is in the same way you have a race to the bottom in terms of corporate tax rates, in a more serious way, you have a race to the bottom in terms of regulation and costs and people going

bangladesh not because it was geo-politically strategic to make these shirts but because it was cheap and not having safety regulations turns out unsurprisingly to be incredibly cheap. so as a global community we need to be aware much more so than we are of corporate tax rates which again i don't think have the same human consequence. be aware of the fact that globalization is am in lots of way, the mr. share of american spending that goes to food and clothes since the 1950s and 60s that's good news. but the bad news is this race to the bottom can create a situation where our clothes are made in buildings that do not fit our standards or any developed economy or developed society standards. >> made my children who are 12 years old. the cbs the last two nights has had an incredible special reports from one woman who was able to penetrate this factory

and took a lot of video of it. they deny they have any child labor and then she talked to this one girl who was 12 years old was working there every day with her mother. >> right. it's an absolute tragedy. it's difficult, once again, to know how the u.s. should respond to this because it is hard to -- for the u.s. to impose it's will in the corporate tax code or human regulations. this is one of those where if we get enough countries to name and shame bangladesh and these kind of conditions, i think there is hope. >> bill: we ought to get enough americans to name and shame the companies that are hiring these workers, too, and are having their products made there. they could, it seems to me put pressure on these governments as well to improve safety conditions working conditions. whatever aspect of the u.s. economy, derek thompson is on top of it. we are covering it all here on the "full-court press" this friday morning. take a quick break. i will take your calls when with he come back at 866-55-press or

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first brewery, make a fine beer, i am told. and they are going to bring some samples in. >> we are drinking beer. >> we will start the weekend. hang around, derek. >> yeah. >> it's not the earliest we have had drinks. i wish i could say it was. >> speak for yourself. >> by the way, we are on twitter@bpshow. join in the conversation. good k going on right now about what you and derek have been talking about, irissue combo says markets a total manipulation by speculateors not linked to economy by any real measure. petester on apple says: where does their ceo go to work. if it's in america they should pay american taxes on every single dollar. you can follow us @bpshow. >> what is the law on that? they don't have to pay taxes on dollars made overseas? do they? or do they? >> it's complicated. one of the really interested things, perhaps apple's

trickiest little tax juke is they discovered this loophole in irish law. irish law says it is based upon where the people work and american tax law taxes subsidaires based upon where they are incorporated. so what apple did brilliantly is they put in a subsidiary in ireland and kept all of the managers in the us and basically shrunk their tax bill to something infin test mally small. >> they don't have a factory or an. a post office box the. >> i think it's a p.o. box. there are no employees in this subsidiary. >> bill calling from newport richie florida. what do you say? >> caller: good morning. how is everybody? >> bill: good. what's up >> caller: my question is everything he has been saying about the globalization, are we building some sort of a bubble that's going to explore

worldwide? >> bill: good point. good question >> caller: like the housing bubble from 2006. >> bill: uh-huh. what do you think, derek? thanks, bill, for the question. >> the difficulty with all bubbles they can be impossible to predict. >> this looks like a big bubble that might burst? >> what in particular? >> bill: in terms of globalization, all of this emphasis on the global economy, you know. i don't know how it goes. >> globalization is good for us in a lot of ways. like i was saying earlier, between today sand the 1900, the turn turn of that century the share of american spending american family spending going to food and clothes has shrunk tremendously. we used to spend something like 40% of our income on food and clothes. >> that's the average family. now, it's closer to 15 or 17%. globalization has done wonderful things to bring down the cost of

essentials. iphones and e let me lectronics and things like that that create efficiencies and free up workers to do other things. one reason why we have so much so many people who can work in healthcare or work in education and improve human capital is because we freed up a lot of proceed productivity by becoming good at making electronics and clothes. globalization is a wonderful force for good. there are, of course downsized because it can be an incredibly difficult to control this global network of production. >> about a minute left. i want to ask you. sorry we haven't had more tooime to talk about it. you have written recently about one of the impacts of all of this online activity in terms of purchasing and everything. right? >> right. >> bill: the next victims of that in terms of losing their jobs? >> right. are retail workers, salesmen.

my column in the new "atlantic" magazine which came out online and on newsstand is called death of a salesman about how we have seen productivity advancesent take the share of workers on farms down from about 30, 35% to 2% in the last one 00 years. >> whoa. >> in 1950, about 40% of americans work in manufacturing. now it's 9%. so we see productivity change these enormous sectors of the work force and my theory is that the next sector that's going to be bitten by this productivity bug are the salesmen. you might think why does it matter? it's a low-paying job. they can go somewhere else. the issue is that salespeople, it's the number one job in america. if you line up all americans by jobs, the ones in the biggest bucket will be salespeople people who work in retail. if we find ways to replace them it will mean there will be more low skilled people competing for

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>> happy friday. we are ready. alicia cruz has the phones covered and is cyprian still here? there he is. he is here. >> all right. >> he is hard at work on that little drone machine that he calms a video console. >> he is on the phone all the time like a cab driver. >> i never know. >> cab drivers on the phone when you get in. on the phone when you get out never know when he is talking to me or on the phone or whatever. >> there it is. president obama, classic major speech for the history books yesterday at the national defense university kind of resetting americases national security policy. but the president was met with unexpected heckler at the speech yesterday. he didn't ask us. we could have warned him, if you

are out there talking about drones, you are going to run into code pink. what we didn't expect, i am sure he didn't expect that code pink and madia benjamin, who has been a frequent guest of our show from code pink, that he didn't expect that she would be able to penetrate the security at the national defense university, but she did. and she stood up and started shouting out back at the president, and they went dor imports. >> today, once again? >> these desperate people. >> i am about to address it, ma'am, but you have to let me speak? >> you are our commander in chief. >> you could close guantanamo today. >> why don't you let me address it, ma'am. why don't you sit down and i will tell you. >> your government today that includes 57 yemenis. >> thank you, ma'am. he really meant that. >> ma'am thank you.

>> okay. now we are going to play the tape. >> let me finish my sentence. >> now, we are going to play the tape of how chris christie would respond to that protester. i guess we can't. >> shut-up. >> i guess we can't play that. >> shut up. sit down. shut up. sit down. make me a sandwich. >> i don't think -- i think even that is too polite for chris christie. we can't play that tape, i guess. but the president, he did say, you know, and again, we have been wondering all morning how she possibly was able to get in to an event at the national defense university, i mean you would think that that would be nothing bum soldiers, men and women until uniform. right? >> it's called the national defense university. here. >> here is the other thing, she doesn't blend in with the crowd. >> no. >> first of all she never does. but especially there. >> also, media, again, who is a friend and has been in studio with us and on the anti-iraq war, anti-you know, i mean she

has been afghantan, she has been right in on the issues but she didn't show much respect yesterday for the president of the united states. but she is a known entity in washington, d.c. >> yeah. >> she is like our professional agitator in washington, d.c. and you would think that they would know her there ampresident obama said you have a right to free speech. so do i. >> ma'am, let me -- let me me -- let me finish. let me finish, ma'am. part free speech, you being able to listen but also listening and me being able to speak. [applause.] >> goes both ways. we will talk to keith shepherd from mother jones about some important events, you know on

women's rights and what has happened to women around the united states these days. and then a little bit later, yes, the leaders of d.c. brow dc's first brewery will be here in studio. we will sample their wares. but first. >> this is the full court press. >> a quick check of other headlines making news. anthony weiner's mayoral campaign got off to a rough start with a background photo after city skyline like most campaign websites do but it was not that of new york city. it was that of pittsburgh, pennsylvania. the stock photo was changed by the end of the day. >> is he running for mayor of pittsburgh now? >> i still believe it is new york. >> i don't know a whole lot. >> basic 101. don't you think? >> most people will recognize the skyline of new york city. >> yeah. ? >> it's pretty recognizable. >> especially if you are in a

campaign for the mayor of new york. >> new york city. yeah. >> seems like barack obama was quite the charmerback in high school. time magazine published pictures from his high school pharaoh hawaii where he had his afro-like long hair, was wearing a white suit jacket. his classmate, kelly allman offered up the photos and a picture of the president signing her yearbook. he called her extremely sweet and foxy and asked her to call him to hang out over the summer. >> let me be clear. >> you are very foxy. >> some good shots of 17-year-old barack obama, man. >> fun to look at. i wonder what michelle said last night when she saw those time photos. >> she has seen them before. >> i think she has probably seen worse. >> now the hero of cleveland is set for life. you know charles ramsey, the man who helped free those women who were held captive in his neighbor's house for over a

decade decade. he made headlines because he wassing a mcdonald's hamburger. now, over adowns restaurants have added the charles ramsey burger to their menu their own play on a mcdonald's big mac. any time he goes into one of those restaurants for a burger, it's on the house for life. >> i am good with that >> bill: i am good with that. he deserves it. absolutely. >> he can go from restaurant to restaurant. >> he can open his own restaurant. >> check back with charles ramsey in another year. he can still fit through the front door of his house. >> good manager. >> interesting developments on the issues affecting women in this country particularly at the state level, also in the

military, kate shepherd, reporter for mother jones magazine joins us on our news line this morning. good to have you with us? >> thanks for having me. >> let's start with the situation in the military, if we can, because in the last week or so, we know that the -- as senator kir city council jillibrand and jackie speier made us aware of a shocking level of sexual assaults against men but, also against women and particularly against women. and on top of that, we have the guy if charge of doing something about sexual assault for the air force arrested and charged with sexual assault. right? we've got a guy up at west point now who has been found to be secretly videotaping women cadets in the showers and in the bathroom.

is this just something we have to learn to expect from the military, or are they ever going to get on top of it? >> you know, we have seen the numbers come out every year, you know, and they haven't improved that much in recent years despite the fact that the pentagon is paying more attention to this. the high-profiles of the people in charge sexually assaulting people. this doesn't give you faith in the effort. it will take a pretty huge cultural shift in the military around having women in the ranks. beyond making policies changes as well. that could take time. policy changes but i think there is a cultural shift that has to happen as well. >> the other issue that senator jillibrand has been stressing and jackie spear is that these sexual assault cases have to be taken out of the chain of command so that they are dealt with, you know, with a judge and a jury and that whatever verdict

that they are guilty, then they have to pay the punishment. they can't be -- that verdict can't be overturned by a commanding officer. right? >> right. we hear this time and time again under even when they do report it, if they begin an action against the perpetrator, it ends up, there being no actual punishment. you see that over and over and over again. i think it is one way to make sure there is actual punishment if you are found guilty of sexually assaulting someone a fellow military member. >> the president, himself, had a meeting on this issue last friday, a week ago with secretary of defense chuck hagel. so do you think it's finally because of these stories you have mentioned recently do you think it's finally reached the point where the pentagon, no matter what they say, you know, will actually crack down on this

and will see some change? >> i tend toward optimism. i would like that to be the case. it is absolutely getting really high-profile attention, which helps shed some light and i think makes some things happen. but i think it's going to take a little bit while for it to happen in the military. talking it out of the ramps is something that might be difficult to do. >> you have written in mother jones just yesterday the head line, mississippi could soon jail women for stillbirths or miscarriages even for mississippi, that seems extreme. >> it does seem extreme. i think that's why this case is really important. this case deals with a woman who was 29 years old when she suffered a stillbirth. the prosecutors decided that because they found amphetamines

in her system that's what caused the still birth. >> that's medically dubious. it's hard to say what caused any still birth. they decided to prosecutor her for negligent manslaughter. the supreme court in mississippi is deciding whether they should be able to put her on trial for that. it's going to be important. i mean it oles a lot of questions [what are the limits of prosecuting women for what happens during their pregnancys? where do we stop when they say you should be held accountable for losing a child. it's a tragic situation, and putting someone in jail is that correct the best way to address a drug addiction problem? >> in other words, if you don't have a healthy baby or if you have some health problems of your own, you could be criminally liable in mississippi? >> right. okay. drug use here but what if it's alcohol use? what if it's smoking? what if it's that you are overweight in the you know ate

soft cheese. there are a lot of things you are not supposed to do while you are pregnant. what are the limits for saying this is something that is, you know, you could be prosecuted for? especially when the science around what causes a miscarriage or still birth is really unclear. it's hard to say this is the thing that caused it. >> bill: what has happened in mississippi, arizona has also tried to crack down on women dper exercising their right of choice. judges in arizona not so willing to go along with the legislature there. right? >> right. last april arizona passed a ban on abortions after 20 weeks -- sorry, 20 weeks after gestation, that the judge this week deemed that unconstitutional. pretty much anyone who follows this stuff would say that's unconstit tutionsal. the supreme court decided in row

v wade that abortions should be allowable until a fetus is viable. we have seen a dozen states try to roll that number back. groups filed suit and now have won other states since then have tried to go more to the triages. arkansas passed a ban at 12 weeks in march. north dakota passed a bill at 6 weeks. this is going to be the first of probably of many, you know trying to stop these states from taking really aggressive action to roll back abortion access. >> i am sure a lot of people are trying to get this back in front of the sprorth, this particular supreme court. i am not sure i would want to take that chance. kate shepherd, thank you for your good work and joining us this morning. >> thanks for having me. >> mother jones, more jones.com.

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of the union, you recall he told us that pretty soon he would lay forth for us the american people the administration's policies about drones. yesterday, he did more than that. he talked about in general, the war on terror, about the use of drones, about guantanamo bay, in a speech at the national defense university. i think -- i thought the most important thing the president said, and he certainly was right on is how important these, our policies are national security are and how they sort of define who we are as a people. here is how the president put it. >> in our use of drones to the attention of terror suspects the decisions we are making now will define the type of nation and world that we leave to our children. >> and, in light of that the

president said he was going to take steps on his own to move people out of guantanamo since the congress has blocked any effort to close gitmo. and then, on the use of drones, the president says, we are going to continue the use but we are going to limit our use of them. the president pointing out that they have been very effective weapons of war. >> dozens of highly skilled al-qaeda bomb makers and operatives have been taken off of the battlefield. plots have been discrocked that would have targeted international aviation u.s. transit systems, people cities and our troops in afghanistan. >> the pet he says if you want to know how effective drones have been, here is the person you ought to ask. >> don't take my word for it. in the intelligence gathered at bin laden's compound he wrote we could lose the reserves to enemy's airstrikes. we cannot fight airstrikes with

explosives. >> but the president did say we are going to cut back our use of drones and move the responsibility for them from the cia to the pentagon, which is a good move. looking for a good beer for the weekend? we've got one for you on the "full-court press." >> this is "the bill press show." rights but still support the drug war you must be high. >> "viewpoint" digs deep into the issues of the day. >> do you think that there is any chance we'll see this president even say the words "carbon tax"? >> with an open mind... >> has the time finally come for real immigration reform? >> ...and a distinctly satirical point of view. >> but you mentioned "great leadership" so i want to talk about donald rumsfeld. >> (laughter). >> watch the show. >> only on current tv.

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native of delaware. we've got one. got a great one with dogfish head beer. i am a resident of california. we have lots of great breweries in california. we have had the anchor steve beer and a lot of micro brews. i am on my way when i leave the studio today to bend oregon which has tons of micro brews up in the or gone area but now d.c., washington, d.c. has its own, too. it is dc brow and the ceo of dc brow, brandon skoul joins us in studio this morning. good to see you? >> how's it going? >> congratulations. how long have you been at this? >> we just had our two-year aniversary. thank you. we are pretty excited. i have been in the industry pretty much all of my life. same for geoff hancock on the brewing side. we had on april 15th, we had or

two-year anniversary. >> and you make how many different beers? >> so right now, we make six different beers we put in can. but we have made over 40 different beers to date. every month, we brew once, two, sometimes 3 special one-off beers. >> re-inventing these beers? >> yeah. it gets kind of boring to brew the same things over and over. one of the things that can set you apart in this market instead of doing the same thing over and over is to experiment, to try new things. and, you know, we get the chance to do that whenever we can. we do it. >> thighs are one of the things you can expertment with. you could go from a sweeter beer to, you know, a super hoppy. different ways you can go. >> do you market in dc or marketing the region now? or what are your plans? >> trying to market the region. the problem is even after three expansions which is what we have had in the past two years we are still having trouble getting

it just beyond the borders of d.c. that's a great sign because d.c. is so thirsty for a lowell beer. getting a good response locally here? >> every time we ex pants we are like, we are going it to launch maryland and it was like, where did all of the beer go? >> i have to say, now we want to get into the beer, but i want to say one thing: i feel like -- i feel naked sitting here, and i think peter looks naked sitting here. we have our sleeves rolled up. look at my arms. look at peter's arms. then look at yours. >> never too late to get a tatoo. >> my grandfather always told me never seeget a tatoo where a judge can see it. >> i know a good guy i can recommend you guys highly. >> you have the whole body tatoo? >> it's one of those things it's kind of addictive. i guess it is. >> once you get started, you can't stop? >> yeah, you know, i love every one of my tattoos.

i can't imagine. i don't know what i would feel like them now that i have had them for so long we hadve john stanton from buzz feed. he said he in that you. he has the same thing. it's not quite as at that timed out as you? >> i had them so long. i can't remember what it was like before. >> let's get serious here what have you got? what are we offering up? >> three of what i think are our most exciting beers right now. there is the flagship beers great and high quality but also these three beers represent a little bit something new as far as we started putting them in a can. i will open up the first one here. >> down, yes. >> that sound is -- >> sounds like breakfast. >> we are a can brewery and i like people to know the attributes of canned beer and why we chose to be a can brewery. it has a lot to do with the quality of the product. it really just is a lot better than a bottle as far as -- >> don't buy bottled beer is what you are saying? >> you can still buy bottled

beer. just, you know, i would not hold anything against canned beer. it's a lot of the way like the steldon, like the screw cap people thought it meant the quality wasn't good. that wasn't the cases. at the time, he was selling $100 bottles of new zealand wine that had screw tops. canned beer hasbeling been a little bit more accessible because the am folks at oscar blues paved the way and now we are able to be a part of that canned beer movement. >> okay. it is to tell us about this one. >> this first beer is called el heffy speaks. >> good. yeah. hold it up >> bill: here we are, cyprian. tell us about it. >> this beer started out as one of those one-off kind of special beers that we do. and it was so popular that we decided we need to keep making this beer. it was a collaboration with john solly who owns john solly's east

street tavern. he him and chris fraiser co-owned that place, brewed at old dominion one of the previous local breweries here for quite awhile. we were honoring them and getting something fun in the market that had our input in it it's named for a song by the sock couple clutch. it's called el jeffy speaks. spelled like a traditional heffy. >> cheers. >> it's art with like political sub tones, i think, on there. >> you guys have great art work. >> i love that. it is. the t.v. camera. >> this is a great memorial day

beer because as far as a lot of our offerings, am it's on the lighter side. >> yeah. >> but as far as a lot of our offerings. >> i love it. i won't say it's normally a weak beer but it's -- >> should have brought pretzels in. >> it still takes like beer. >> good for hot summer days too. >> it's got character to it. i don't usually go to it unless i am outside for a long time. it doesn't have a lot of character. this has balances to it. i like it blew moon did a lot to kind of get people in it to beers that weren't just, you know, that. but at the same time, blue moon is a big corporate beer owned by those guys, in fact. but the wheat style is one people are familiar with because of blue moon. >> we just do it over here in

america. but we use it. >> do you mind if i finish this? >> go on. >> i am going to warn you guys. >> peter, you are supposed to sip it. >> in the next segment. >> this is a beer that's from armagedon. >> a name like that, that is fascinating. >> i want to meet your creative department. >> this is the creative department. me and geoff kind of do everything around there as far as a lot of the marketing goes. so, yes, this beer is kind of a -- brewed originally as a tribute to the mayan calendar's end of the world thing that was going on last year. we said, you know what? we should make an end of the world beer. if we do, it has to be a double ipa. so that's the spirit. >> cheers. >> a 5point. what did you say?

>> 9.2% beer. >> that means? >> a beer drinker. >> that's strong beer. >> tread lightly. >> yeah. >> that's delicious. >> this is also currently the number 25 top-rated double ipa in the world. >> holy cow. >> whoa? >> really, the hops are what's the show case here you get that hops and you get a nice sense of the malt too. >> he is hammered. >> whoa? >> this is a special hop called falconer's flight. we kind of got it, you know, just by mistake last year trying to get another hop and they said how about you try this. we got to try it before it got out in the market. we loved it so much, we said let's sinal a contract on this right now before it's gone. >> that's the way hops work, you kind of buy them like futures. >> 9.2, does that make it more expensive? >> it is. it's not just expensive because of the alcohol.

the ingredients that go to get the col to that point and the ingredients hopwise. >> bang for your buck, bill. ? >> this is we just poor money into the making of this beer and we say let's just make the top quality product. we are not worried on pinching pennies. >> i know a lot of people really love super hoppy beers. i don't love really, really hoppy beers. this is a lot of times you will drink a hoppy beer your head will ring. this is good, man. >> one of the things that's great about this beer is designed, you get that burst of hops up front but it is not lingering on your pallette killing any other thing you taste. but, yeah, this is kind of one of our famous kind of cult beers, i would say. >> i love it. >> where do you get hops? >> most of of our locals come from the pacific northwest, from hop union which sells hops to the whole industry. there are a few local guys that we try and get hops from but

besides their farms and what they can do, we can maybe one beer a year with fresh local hops. the rest, in order to keep did is from hops union. >> grown in the northwest? >> yes. >> so can we take a break and come back? >> we willcan do the porter here we've got time. >> we've got time. >> this is actually the second beer we ever brewed. draft only for a long period of time. this is our porter called the quin porter quarter. it's lincoln's top hat is on the front of them. >> tim quarter for our national listeners, we should make a point is a neighborhood here in washington. >> it is a neighbored where the ford's theater actually is. ties kind of the tie in to lincoln on the packaging. this is a robust porter. the notes, dark bittersweet chocolate, roasted he is pressor. this is a fantastic breakfast

beer. >> a porter is a good beer for if you think you want cake but you want to get a little drunk. ? >> but this beer has been a long long-time favorite of ours. >> never had anything like that. >> it's delicious. >> really delicious. >> chocolatey. it has that coffee character but there is no coffee in this beer. it's from the malts. >> no calf e. just alcohol. my kind of drink. >> not too long ago, we brewed a beer we raised about 20 dollars for the duke ellington school called taster's choice which was a collaboration with a local band called the pie tasters and a brewery from colorado called ska and we ended up raising about 20 grand for that school, charity. >> you can buy these anywhere in any liquor store in

washington, d.c.? >> that's correct. as. beginning of the month, 702 points of distribution in the district. you can get it at the corner store, whole foods, organic markets? >> online at dcbrow.com. can people order online? >> not yet. >> thanks, obama? >> it might be a trick. >> a stretch. >> guys, thanks so much for coming out and tasting the beer. >> so good. >> bill: you've got to come back. this is great. this is really good. >> the best is a i have more beers to bring when i come back. >> i love what you are doing. all right? thank you for doing it for the district and soon for everybody in america? >> that you so. >> dc brow folks. >> this is "the bill press show."

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[ music ] >> on your radio and on current tv this is "the bill press show." >> sorry. i was busy dreinging my beer. but it's friday. on a fretted, we like to take a look back at our favorite sound basis of the week from the bomb bottom, work or way to the stop. joe sessatory telling us what a big sell et brity johnny manzel is. >> the big sellcelebrity and

vipness, that's a big factor in detailing hez story. >> the vipness of johnny manzel. michael bloomberg says, you know, college may be over rated. right? >> number 4. >> people who are going to have the biggest problem are college graduates who aren't rocket scientists, if you will, not at the top of their class. compare a plumber to going to college. being a plumber for the average person probably would be a big deal because you don't spend four years spending $4,050,000 % tuition and no income. >> save your money. save your time. don't go to college. just become a plumber. right? there it is. michael bloomberg. >> wolfe blitzer had a little surprise in moore, oklahoma when he talked to a survivor of the tornado and said, you must have been really praying to god. >> number 3. >> you guys did a great job. i guess you got to thank the lord. right? >> yeah. >> do you thank the lord for

that split-second decision? >> i am actually an atheist. >> you are? >> awkward. >> yeah. no, i am actually an atheist but i wasn't praying to the lord. the pope says you can still get to heaven as much as any catholic. yes, well, we had a big hockgy game up in canada, and they chose a canadian sing the star-spangled banner. oops. >> number 2. ♪ bright lights andbright stars through the perilous night. ♪ so proudly... ♪ >> let's try it again. let's try it again. >> through bright lights and bright stars... ♪ >> together we --

>> she had no idea what she is saying. and finally, you think she can sing? you ain't heard nothing yet. you should hear barbara mccull ski, senator from maryland absolute shrilled saluting the local weather man. >> ♪ you are our sunshine, our only sunshine. you make us happy even when skies are gray. ♪ you will never know how much we love you. ♪ please don't take our sunshine away. ♪bye, bob. we love you. >> boy. >> i think she had a little bit of d.c. brow here. >> they are drinking natty bow up the shore away there. the beer in baltimore. >> every town has its own beer. >> natty bo. >> i love it. i will come back with a parting shot. this is friday. >> connect with the bill press

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flus. >> the parting shot with bill press, this is "the bill press show." >> here we go action well, you know, something to think about this long memorial day weekend. 13 about the impact of what pope francis said this week. growing up a catholic through sunday school and catholic high school and seminary i was taught there was only one true faith, catholicism. and that was touch resolved to

christians could get to heaven. pope francis blew that to hell and back. he said this week, it doesn't matter what we believed. we are saved, he said, not according to faith but according to what good works we do. believers and non-believers alike, we are all called to do good. when we do good said the pope we will meet one another there. in other words, pope francis preaches not just people of faith, christians and jews and muslims and mormons or whatever but even non-believers can get to heaven even atheist s which raises a question: if you don't have to believe to get to heaven, why go through belong to go organized religion. does it matter whether you go to church every sunday or not? as i said, pretty heavy stuff indeed, something to think about this long memorial day weekend. something else to thrning about,

of course. remember what memorial day is all about. take time out to give a prayer and give thanks to the men and women who have served us in uniform over the years and serving us around the country today. have a great memorial day weekend, folks. we will see you back here on tugs. >> this is "the bill press show."

[♪ theme music ♪] >> stephanie: all right. hello tv world. oh, it ought to be a really incomprehensible show, chris, as it always is the day before a three-day weekend.

>> yes. >> stephanie: hello, jacki schechner we have already begun the party. what are you going to do? >> i'm going to a friend's wedding this weekend. >> stephanie: oh