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♪ >> michael: so this, apparently is what political deliberation looks like, after wasting months on non-issues like benghazi and the tea party, the nation struggles to balance personal privacy, national security and faith in government. it's fascinating. i'm in "the war room," and i'm michael shure. [♪ theme music ♪] >> michael: after last week's explosive revelations in the "guardian" newspaper that the nsa clekts private call records from phone companies, the race
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was on to find out who outed that information. >> my name is edward snowden, i'm 29 years old. i work for booz allen hamilton as a infrastructure analyst for nsa in hawaii. >> booz allen is one of the most profitable companies in this country, and has just one client. the u.s. government. it earned $1.3 billion for intelligence work. snowed den who rose to his position without even completing high school was one of thousands of employees there with top-secret clearance. to naught in perspective, twice as many people have access as has lived in the entire city of washington, d.c. it's more people than live in hawaii, maine, or new hampshire,
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and a third of those don't actually work for the government at all. they work for private contractors. snowden said he thought people needed to know. >> any analyst at anytime can target anyone. i sitting at my desk certainly had the authorities to wiretap anyone from you or your accountant to a federal judge to even the president if i had a personal email. i think the public is owed an explanation of the motivations motivation of these people who are doing these things outside of government. >> michael: he had been seeking asylum in hong kong but as of this afternoon his whereabouts are unknown. the u.s. is not surprisingly going to seek extradition from whatever country he ends up in.
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peter king said in a statement today quote . . . the white house for its part declined to comment. here is carney. >> it's entirely appropriate for a program to exist to look at, you know, foreign data and -- and foreign -- potential foreign terrorists, but there are procedures in place, both at the congressional, executive and judicial levels that provide oversight over these programs. >> michael: as it stands now there is a court made up of 11 justices that have to okay any request for surveillance at anytime. the number shot up after 9/11 but were rarely denied.
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under president obama participate just one request was denied. this morning the reporter who broke this story glenn greenwald said that wasn't good enough. and he got into a testy exchange on morning joe. >> it's not like there is haphazard probing into all of our personal emails. can we put this into context. >> yeah, the white house talking points that you are using are completely misleading and false. the u.s. government has the power to listen in on telephone conversations and read emails. those talks points that are you reading from are completely false. >> glenn, i'm not reading talking points -- i would like to ask a question is this legal
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or illegal. or richard can you help me out since he doesn't want to answer the question -- >> i did answer your question! >> michael: how about that? that fight has now extended to congress. democratic groups like the progressive change committee and the aclu as well as democratic lawmakers are calling for more transparency, and that puts them on the same side of the issue as libertarians like rand paul who had harsh criticism for the program this weekend. >> they are looking at a billion phone calls a day, and that doesn't sound to me like a modest invasion of privacy, it sounds like an extrordanaire invasion of privacy. >> michael: his father also praised the actions of snowden and greenwald today. there is another group of lawmakers who are arguing on the
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side of the program. >> here is the point, and this is why this is so difficult. i flew over the word trade center going to center lawsuiten berg's funeral, and in the distance was the statue of liberty, and i thought of those bodies jumping out of that building hitting the canopy. part of our obligation is keeping america safe. >> michael: safety and security versus privacy and transparency finally we have a real debate with real consequences. joining us now a real political reporter yahoo knew's chris moody. welcome back, chris. >> great to be here. thanks for having me. >> michael: this spying wasn't actually illegal. it was court approved. so does that hurt snowden's case at all?
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>> he's not necessarily a traditional whistleblower for legal purposes. he was exposing something that while it might be legal, it is not something the government should be doing, and i think that's an important argument and discussion we should be having in the united states as well as in the halls of congress. and i anticipate you will hear that over the next several days if not weeks and months. >> michael: this these courts just approved every request as we outlined in the introduction. 99.97% of the time that doesn't ring as a barrier or obstacle, does it. >> well, once you could say what you are saying, but you could also say they are being responsible in how they are looking at this data. it depends on your faith in your government. and that faith right now for a lot of people is really slipping. >> michael: that's a great point.
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because it really depends on how you look at this. if we look at it as something that is legal and something they are going through the proper channels for, these proper channels were part of the patriot act, so you fake a great point. but does there need to be beater system for contractors to air their complaints then? >> well, i think the point about contractors having access to this data is something that will raise a lot of eyebrows. i don't think a lot of americans know that their personal information is not only being viewed by government agents but also private agents working for the government that are not part of the federal system officially. that's eye opening there. and i think that's something as more people realize, they will be more troubled by >> michael: that's true. there is something about the government looking in that we
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know, but when some kid who didn't go to high school is sitting in his office and because office contractings with the government he can see everything, that to me is more disturbing. but let's look at the politics here. there are critics on both sides of the aisle, what does this mean for the white house and barack obama. >> i think as his press secretary said today he is going to defend the law. we have seen a change from senator obama and president obama. i guess he's learned a couple of things since he has gotten into that office. he is going to defend the law. and you are going to have libertarians and left libertarians, joining in a little mini coalition here to call for more transparency. and that's a good debate to have, but you are also going to have more republicans and democrats saying no this is the
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law. so the coalitions are not going to be what we are generally used to here. >> michael: i totally agree with you that this is a good debate to have. and this is not how he wanted to have it start. let's look at how people are viewing this. a "washington post" pew poll finds the majority of americans believe that the government should be investigating possible terrorist attempts even if it means giving up privacy. is there really a political call for the president to back and fight this? >> that data i'm kind of surprised. >> michael: yeah, me too. >> whether you know it's going to the government or not. but whether the president will pay a price, it depends on the blow of information -- the flow
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of opinion here. is the tide going to change against him here? he is going to be making a case to defend his policies, and he has the ability to do that, and i think you'll have a real contentious debate here. and there has been so much in the news, we seem to be jumping from one think to another, but right now this is the focus, and it should be the focus. >> michael: i get in a sense in america we are really used to accepting the user agreement almost on a daily basis. it's almost an implicit i know some people are going to have my personal information. do you think that plays into this a little bit too? >> we are getting more and more used it to. i wonder if you will see people moving to solar panelled fuel cabins in the woods and going off of the grid here but you do
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give over that information because you get a convenience out of it. and with the government you never get to check off the box, it's just happening. and you feel a little bit more violated than if you look at a contract and say i gave over my first-born child to apple. >> michael: yeah. >> hopefully people will take a second look at who they are voting for in the next election and that will be the way you get to check the box. >> michael: that's right. i also wanted to talk to you about immigration. house speaker john boehner is working out a plan to pass the house, and cross roads gps is putting ads towards backing real
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reform. does that signal that this may actually pass. >> john boehner wants their work to be finished by july 4th. you are going to see a lot of fast movement here. on wednesday paul ryan is going to be advocating for reform and guys like rand paul pitching in their voice. the deintat going to be heated, intense, but we're having it and we're going to know within the next few weeks if we have a clearer picture of whether this thing is going to pass or not. the key hurdle is passing the house. >> michael: yeah when john boehner said that, yeah, that's exactly right. chris moody for yahoo news, thanks so much for being here. thank you also for being here and covers the immigration debate too. still to come on this monday edition of "the war room," we
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dive deeper into the debate about the nsa leaker. and later could long walks and talks in the california desert between president obama and his chinese counterpart lead to improved human rights in china? plus we look back at medgar edgars is legacy. we'll be right back.
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ellsburg went on to compare himself and snowden to bradley manning. while he clearly praises manning, ellsburg draws more parallels between himself and snowden. the media promotes snowden as america's latest hero lawyers have agreed to defend him. despite heavy rainfall supporters gathered to support snowden and show their outrage toward the nsa. the electronic font tier foundation, released a statement about the large scale of privacy. the revolutions confirmed what eff has long aledged, but they are still reeling. all of this very oddly lines up with the 60s anniversary with
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george ore well's book "1984," amazon said the sale of "1984" went up 68%. so people are listening. joining me now is john nichols, the washington editor for "the nation" nation". he comes to us from new york. thanks for being here tonight. journalist glenn greenwald got into a testy exchange on msnbc, and afterwards he tweeted this . . . what is your take on the media's role in the unfurling of this story, john? >> it is quite remarkable. i think an awful lot of the media has divided up into these camps where they tend to be very
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defensive of the government and really kind of making the excuses for the government rather than being the watchdogs and the challengers. that nuzen mean that you have to lose all knew uns, and throw away an understanding that there are national security issues involved and there are real concerns and threats but the fact of the matter is when we have revelations about what our government is doing in our name but without our informed content, that ought to be something that we are supportive of. we ought to think it's to the good when the people get information about what is happening, and what is affecting them. and where i am especially concerned is the narrowness of the discourse in our media right now. there's a great fascination with what glenn greenwald has brought forward, and that's very important, we should focus on that. but we ought to be asking the next question. and that is this: why does the
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government want to go to the servers of google and all of these other major technology companies? there's a reason, because they house all of this data and we should be very very concerned as citizens about not just our government, but corporations and political parties and political campaigns are doing with the data that we so casually give them. >> michael: yeah, and it is very casual, and i was talking about it earlier with chris moody, it is something we don't even think about it. we click boxes and put our address someplace, and we don't know where it is really going but talk about the people and things we ought to be concerned about, but where is the outrage over this story? even today that pew poll 56% of americans seem very comfortable with it. but is the outrage just reserved for the media, or are americans angry as well? >> i think there are americans
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who are angry, but the fact of the matter is this story to my mind has been covered very poorly, and as a result the narrowness of the coverage the tendency to treat it simply as a revelation about government is something that causes people to perhaps see it more casualty. when you were talking into chris you have were getting into something very, very important. and that is the fact that many people accept that the governor will monitor information data with the purpose of trying to deal with terrorism. i happen to think the government has gone much too far, but what i don't think most americans are conscious of, and we write about this in the book. we have two chapters on the digitalization of our politics is the extent to which information about them is in the possession of, or is transferred around, by big corporations, and also, again, by political players.
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people like karl rove do a lot of data mining and i think if people were aware of the extent to which their personal information has become gold has become political currency behind the scenes they might be much more concerned. i don't think people are aware the extent to which they have lost their privacy. >> michael: let's talk about that, your book, you talk about how big data played a decisive role in our last campaign. why hasn't that resulted in a similar public outcry then? >> it certainly should because -- again, i don't think it's well reported on outside of the tech journals. the tech journals are all over this. if you read the magazines of the political consultant class they no longer have articles about tv ads, they are packed with articles and ads regarding data
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mining. this is where our politics is going. and after the 2012 election barack obama's data shop the people that did his gathering of data, his management of it buzz by and large hired by google, and the google folks hired them because they said the political campaigns were doing more sophisticated data mining than a lot of the tech companies. so it's out there. it is happening, and it is done for a purpose. the government gathers data from you, it is done supposedly to keep you safe. when political parties and candidates gather data and crunch it and manage it it is being done to raise money or propaganda
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propagandaizes you. >> michael: but isn't it the political complaining of 2013 now? you have 74 democrats living in a mid-rise building in miami beach, so i'm going to do my campaigning there? isn't that just what we have grown into at this point then? >> well it's a smart question and an appropriate question but we should always be conscious of the evolution of our politics. when we evolved from radio to telepolitics that fundamentally shifted things. and it is going to change a lot again. we have a situation where there are folks who are crunching information not necessarily on an individual level about the tv shows you watch, about whether you are interested in these products or those products so instead of getting a visionary politics that tries to inspire us and lead us we get a
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politics that is taylored to try to appeal to who we already are. >> michael: that's interesting. that is such an interesting thing to see from the way that this all happens. your book sounds amazing. john nichols you can read in the nation as well. thanks so much for your time and thoughts. up next we get a firsthand look at a chinese labor camp. and later we read in between the letters of hillary clinton's very first tweet, can 140 characters shed in light on 2016's plan? good luck, madam secretary. you are going to need it. drug war you must be high. >> "viewpoint" digs deep into the issues of the day. >> do you think that there is any chance we'll see this president even say the words
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>> michael: welcome back. for the past decade thousands of people have been forced into abhor rent labor camps in china. their offense? thoughts and expression. there are reports of sexual assault, and executions where organs are sold to fuel china's medical tourism industry. this is a story about who former
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prisoners who survived to tell their story. one of those is jennifer zeng she along with archbishop desmund tutu and another joined forces. the president has called for a renaissance in china. the human rights advocate say the country can't reach the, quote, chinese dream when citizens are forced into labor camps. joining us is jennifer zeng she endured a year as a labors because of her religious believes. in her book she recounts her
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harrowing experiences. welcome. >> thank you for having me. >> michael: can you tell us why the government feels so threatened by your practice? >> the chinese communist party has a very fundamental fear for those their own legitimacy every ten or so years they launch a different group of society, so that the people -- to maintain a certain amount of fear in the society so that nobody [ inaudible ] legitimacy. that's the number one reason. number two, i say what [ inaudible ] represents is exactly what the communist party is not. it's the oldest [ inaudible ] and to maintain it's a power. so the high standard of
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[ inaudible ] embarrassed the party. >> michael: when i hear you say that, it makes me wonder, we have heard a lot about [ inaudible ] and we know now from your film but what has happened to the thousands of followers and others over the past decade? >> it's -- when i was first in the labor camp i was so shocked. it feel like i was sent back to this massive concentration camp again, and the torture and unimaginable treatment we received is just out of the world. like we were subject to systemic torture, mental torture, and what is worse is the systemic physical checkups including blood test and that was for the purpose of live organ harvest,
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which means to kill and demand so that anyone from the united states or other part of the world need an organ, that person can be killed on demand. so it so hard to describe all of the torture i suffered in the labor camp so i really hope that everyone can go to freechinamovie.com to check out the threers. right now it is in new york on june 20th. >> michael: yeah, everybody should know this story. i agree with you, jennifer. we'll put your website on our website as well. but it's unbelievable to be here in 2013 with the never forget lessons of what happened in the second world war in europe and hear that this is going on. where are these camps located and how long are prisoners
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forced to stay in them? >> the one i was to attend is in [ inaudible ] county which is 20 miles away from beijing. there were hundreds or thousands of different camps throughout every big city every county everywhere, so people hope there is a number of hundreds of thousands and one time -- and if you end up all these years -- the numbers several millions at least, so -- so if they -- like the practicers can be held there for one year or three year and sometimes are up to 10 or 18 years in jail. >> just for practicing this religion. let's watch this clip together from is the film free china. >> this is exactly what i was forced to make in the prison.
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homer simpson slippers. i saw this label inside the prison when i was making it. when i was in america, i watched a homer simpson show pretty often during the '90s, you know very funny. but when i was forced to make these shoes in prison you don't feel as funny at all. >> michael: you know, i know that so much of what we consume here is made in china but i was surprised to hear every day products americans buy are made in chinese labor camps. what reaction have you gotten from americans when they have learned about that? >> pardon? >> michael: i want to know what reactions you have gotten jennifer, from americans you have spoken to when they realize that things are not just made in china, but they are made in chais that labor camps.
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>> i think for many of the audience members, general public, they were very shocked and angry, and they feel guilty for not being ail to investigate into these issues and they ask -- demand what has been done to this problem? has united nation ever done anything? or american government do anything? as general public they really feel very angry, and they ask us, can you offer us a list of which products or which companies are involved in this slave labor camp practices? and sometimes i feel overwhelmed, you know, as an individual. we don't really have all of this means to really investigate, and compile a whole list. this is actual responsibility of the united nations or the u.s.
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government, because when we allow the communist party to [ inaudible ] we feel so great. but unfortunately this law is not enforced here. >> michael: yeah and hopefully people will pay more attention. thank you for your courage in speaking out on this. 50 years ago this week, medgar evars was gunned down in his front yard. we look back at his life and legacy and what we can learn. this is "the war room" on a monday night. you are going to want to stick around for this. ♪
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>> michael: here in "the war room," we have our series the march goes on. we continue our series today by remembering medgar evars. last week bill clinton hon in order civil rights legend at an arlington national cemetery tribute. >> the miening of medgar evars life was that he came home and even though he had a gorgeous wife and beautiful kids and an unbelievable life to look forward to he said it can't be
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that i was a soldier in the american army and i stood up for freedom, and i can't vote. >> michael: evars dedicated his life to trying to break through what he called the cotton curtain. he rallied people to boycott businesses that wouldn't serve african-americans and petitioned for equal air time for african-americans on television. after he was rejected by the university of mississippi school of law, he fought get other african-americans into the school. on june 12, 1984 he was murdered outside of his home by byron de la beckwith. jerry mitchell has reported extensively on the life, death and legacy of medgar evers. he joins me tonight from that city in mississippi. jerry thanks as always for coming on the show.
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you know -- >> good to be here. >> michael: edgar evars was killed in 1983 but the killer wasn't convicted for another 40 years, thanks in part to your reporting which reopened the cold case. why was there seemingly no interest in finding his murder for so long? >> it was pretty obvious who the murder was, byron de la beckwith. it was his rifle, his fingerprints on the rifle, left at the murder scene. but what hadn't happened was the political will to do it, and we wrote about it in october of 1989, the widow of medgar asked for the case to be reopened and then the district attorney's office did in fact reopen it and reprosecute it.
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>> michael: you have been to some of the tributes that happened over the last week, including a panel held at the museum in washington, d.c. with his wife. have those tributes been like? give us a feeling -- you know, a feel for it, because we weren't there. >> well, medgar evars i think is kind of growing in stature now. i mean, he was already recognized and really not known that well outside the state until his assassination. but now we have seen in recent years, "mad men," did a couple of episodes that dealt with medgar evars as a character in that. you have seen the movie "the help," that had medgar evars killed as one of the central points in that film. so you are starting to see recognition of him in a way that
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he hadn't maybe been recognized as in the past. so you see that not only for the people on the panel, but people in the audience who recognize and appreciate what he did. the former governor of mississippi william winters said once, told his wife that her husband had not just freed african-americans in mississippi, but freed white people in mississippi as well. >> michael: yeah we -- we heard that -- strom thurmond once apparently said that as well about desegregation. so it's an interesting line. i want to ask you about what you just said. there were so many people doing anonymous work in the south at that time, soldiers in this movement. had medgar not be a
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-- assassinated would he have had such an impact? >> yeah, i think you have to attribute part of it to that. it's kind of ironic byron de la beckwith when he shot medgar evars in the driveway of his house thought he would end the civil rights movement in mississippi, and of course become a hero in doing it. both proved false. he became a pariah not even the white society embraced him, eventually they did, but at the time they didn't. and as for medgar evars he is buried in arlington cemetery is considered a hero, the host office is named after him and so
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on, the very thing he was seeking to stop actually helped the fuel. >> michael: yeah, i guess that's the working definition of what a martyr is. let's talk about today. last week his wife delivered the commencement address of the very school that turned him away because of her skin color. let's listen to this. >> the man that i met and married had said i want a degree in law from the university of mississippi. my first approach that was you have to be out of your mind. it will never happen. and he said it will happen, it can happen if not with me perhaps with someone else, and i will take on the burden. >> michael: tell me, do you
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think the 22-year-old graduate mississippians and otherwise sitting there grasped how significant it was that she was their speaker? >> probably not, unless they knew the history, but obviously it is significant, and i think -- there are things that are changing to help make that possible to make that knowledge possible. there's a new mississippi history book that ninth graders are going to get this year, and there's quite a bit in there about medgar evars and the role he played. so there are things like that basically required civil rights movement to be taught as part of the history curriculum. >> michael: yes and it has been pointed out on this show that they are the only state that has done that. also building a museum that will
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focus on the civil rights movement. >> right. >> michael: why has it taken your state so long to own up to the civil rights abuses all of those years ago? >> i think it's tough for all of us to look at our past and i -- i think -- martin luther king got it right when he said one day the south will recognize its true heros. i think that day has come. the recognition of medgarer evars on a state and national level, and starting to see these people that have been unrecognized. >> michael: we're so happy you are there, a real journalist jerry mitchell, thanks as always. hope to see you back here soon. we'll be back with more "war room" right after this.
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"carbon tax"? >> with an open mind... >> has the time finally come for real immigration reform? >> ...and a distinctly satirical point of view. >> but you mentioned "great leadership" so i want to talk about donald rumsfeld. >> (laughter). >> watch the show. >> only on current tv. ♪ >> michael: time now for your "war room" epic political trivia of the day. 50 years ago today, president john f. kennedy signed the equal pay act. here is the white house photo of the bill signing. the president surrounded by 12 leading rights peen. edna kelly served 19 years in the house. she was the first woman to sit
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on the foreign affairs committee. her congress career ended when redistricting forced her to get primaried out. 50 years ago, women earned $0.59 on every man's dollar. it's up to only $0.77 today. progress but not nearly enough. now we have something even more exciting for you, because hillary clinton to show you how far women have come is now on twitter, using the imaginary handle@hillary clinton. you see her photo here. that's her photo there, but right down here you see when she talks about all of the things she has done the first lady of arkansas flotus and tbd, which makes us wonder what hilary is going to be doing next.
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it's not just hillary clinton who has discovered new ways to communicate. members of congress are now posting short videos on vine. calm down everyone because our brett ehrlich has sewn all of them. shhhh, brett's talking now. >> all right. everybody listen up. this is very important information. elaine put it down. we're all waiting on elaine. put it down. thank you. according to the chairman and ranking member of the senate rules committee quote . . . what is vine? well, it's a social media service that allows you to shoot and share very short videos so apparently chuck schumer and pat roberts poured over hours of videos like this. and decided you know what that does help the national dialogue. ten senators have already started using vine and the
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results are horrible. joe manchin, stop jump cutting. can you just pick one sentence and show me. also senator before you use this service to relate campaign slogans, just know that vine will repeat your slogan infinity time, i can can feel a little orwellian. enhance our immigration bill. great for tech great for america. pass our immigration bill great for tech great for america. and finally you should understand how other people use vine which is to communicate one hilarious moment that it's fun to watch over and over again. >> it's going to be me.
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♪ >> but if something really happens, it's just a creepy montage. so with senator using vine you have 100 great americans making what are essentially six-second-long french films. ♪ >> michael: someone is always in our "war room," please check us out online at current.com/thewarroom. it's great for tech, and it's great for america. that's also where you can link up to our twitter and facebook page. thanks for joining us in "the war room," cenk uygur and "the young turks" are next. have a great night. ♪
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i think the number one thing that viewers like about the young turks is that we're honest. they know that i'm not bs'ing them with some hidden agenda, actually supporting one party or the other. when the democrats are wrong, they know that i'm going to be the first one to call them out. they can question whether i'm right, but i think that the audience gets that this guy, to the best of his ability, is trying to look out for us.
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