[ ♪ theme ♪ ] >> stephanie: hello current tv land. all right, hump days with sexy liberal hal sparks hour number three. marcos melitas. jacki schechner, what's important is jacki schechner's mother's birthday today. >> it is. happy birthday to my mother. >> stephanie: happy birthday, mommy. >> she's also a big "the stephanie miller show" fan and watches her dvrs every

morning. >> so does my mom. >> stephanie: wow. that makes me -- >> actually, i don't think she has a dvr. >> stephanie: that makes me rethink a lot of the conversations we've had on this show. it is because my mom can't watch anymore in charlotte that i behave as i do. >> she's got good sensibilities but also a good sense of humor. >> stephanie: all right i'll step it up a notch. >> be on your bestest behavior. >> stephanie: mrs. schechner's little girl in the current news center. >> good morning, everybody. president obama is heading to boston a little later this morning. he's going to headline a campaign rally for representative ed markey who is running for senate. he's up against republican gabriel gomez political newcomer as the two vie to take over john kerry's former seat. president obama is also going to go to a smaller event a meet and greet for political donors on markey's of behalf. at suffolk university poll out on monday says the president's popularity in massachusetts is

at 60%. markey is up by 7 points. but a fund-raiser for markey in d.c. last night, vice president biden minutessed no words in expressing why one should take the senate seat for granted. he explained since the president is not at the top of the ticket this time around, minority voters aren't likely to show up in the same numbers they did in the past two elections. voters are going to choose between markey and gomez a little less than two weeks from now on june 25th. and while biden is asking donors to open their wallets new york city mayor bloomberg is asking them to close them to democratic senators who voted no on gun control legislation. he's sending a letters to largest contributors asking them not to give on the four who blocked debate on tighter back ground checks. it would be pryor baucus, heitkamp and begich. other democratic senators like chuck schumer and majority leader harry reid, little concerned about bloomberg's

strategy saying gun control legislation has a better chance of passing in the senate. we're back with more show after the break. stick around.

this show is about analyzing criticizing, and holding policy to the fire. are you encouraged by what you heard the president say the other night? is this personal, or is it political? a lot of my work happens by doing the things that i'm given to doing anyway, by staying in touch with everything that is going on politically and putting my own nuance on it. in reality it's not like they actually care. this is purely about political grandstanding. i've worn lots of hats, but i've always kept this going. i've been doing politics now for a dozen years. (vo) he's been called the epic politics man. he's michael shure and his arena is the war room. >> these republicans in congress that think the world ends at the atlantic ocean border and pacific ocean border. the bloggers and the people that are sort of compiling the best of the day. i do a lot of looking at those people as well. not only does senator rubio just care about rich people, but

somehow he thinks raising the minimum wage is a bad idea for the middle class. but we do care about them right? ♪ it's a beautiful day ♪ >> stephanie: six hours after the hour. marcos melitta is live next hour. hour number three, hal sparks. everybody calm down. when i say we, chris has spent some time talking to lawyers and -- [ laughter ] >> stephanie: concerned if we have a new theme song. we're using that for now. >> as a placeholder.

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ward ♪ ♪ stephanie miller ♪ >> i feel like i'm back in the '60s. >> stephanie: exactly. all right. speaking of theme songs, "the stephanie miller show" wishes to apologize to bewitched fans everywhere and also to any relatives of erin neville who is not dead. >> told you. >> stephanie: we mentioned yesterday that erin neville called and wants his mole back and then someone said he would not need it anymore. >> i did that. >> stephanie: he's very much alive, chris. >> sorry. i apologize to the entire neville family. >> stephanie: he's still in need of his mole and snowden cannot have it. >> there is a mill in our organization. >> stephanie: we apologize. chris, we've got quite a bit of bewitched mail. [ explosion ] more important than the fourth

amendment or nsa spying that we screwed up on bewitched. chris, bewitched my head is exploding. [ explosion ] you and chris need to turn in your bewitched badges. >> i don't think i have a bewitched badge. >> samantha's evil twin was serena who was played by elizabeth montgomery in a wig. >> and or dick sergeant. >> see, they were deliberately confusing bewitched so 20 years later we would be confused. >> 20 years later? more like 40 years later. >> stephanie: esmeralda was played by -- who looks like senator collins of maine which is why we call her esmeralda. of course, that's probably a sad commentary how i spent my informative years committing to memory fictional characters more important than my own. >> so who was the crazy aunt? >> stephanie: steph and the mooks, bewitched clarified. seems like nobody can accurately

remember the characters so i'm providing the following list of samantha stevens' relatives. daughter, tab tabatha. evil twin sister, serena. chris got that one. he said sabrina. >> it is serena. >> i knew that. everybody knows that. >> stephanie: everybody screws up. ditzy aunt, esmeralda. uncle arthur. family physician -- >> dr. bombay. >> come right away! >> stephanie: right. >> see? >> stephanie: p.s. the actor who played dr. bombay played on hogan's heroes. >> he also played the ship's captain on titanic. >> stephanie: omg! irma gird! so that's a -- >> so who was aunt clara? >> stephanie: hang on. i was going to save some of this for later. here it is. this even came with pictures.

>> see that's who i picked. >> stephanie: nancy confused esmeralda with andorra. s a mer alda, alice is esmeralda. aunt clara marianne. that actress died. she took over the role of the ditzy character. and then pandora's box as serena. there you go. okay. >> i liked aunt clara. she was a old -- >> stephanie: two different characters, esmeralda and aunt clara. aunt clara died. >> she would make napoleon appear by mistake when she meant to bring someone else in. >> stephanie: oh, aunt clara. [ ♪ circus ♪ ] >> andorra is the lady from twilight zone. with the aliens. >> she was also citizen kane's mom. >> stephanie: see why most of

us don't care about the nsa spying on us? our brains are too consumed with that kind of thing. >> let's not get into the characters of the brady bunch. >> stephanie: don't get me started. speaking of strange bedfellows on the whole nsa thing why jim, look who is your bedfellow orly tate. -- orly taitz birther queen. sign my petition for edward snowden day. public support will keep him alive. please sign my petition to institute edward snowden national whistle-blower patriots against corruption day. >> well, there are place where the right and the left did kind of -- >> did she fight against the patriot act when it was being enacted? >> of course she didn't. because obama had nothing to do with that. >> right. >> she's such a duplicitous mess. >> stephanie: thanks. now i'm going to get another letter today aren't i? >> orly taitz do cause mess.

>> stephanie: stephanie miller of the "the stephanie miller show" does not endorse that view because "the stephanie miller show" will get a legal letter later. i'll have to get another root canal. from her as a dentist. and get sued by her as a lawyer and buy a house. thanks, chris! and i'm going to get a letter from aaron neville's lawyer. fine! what a day already! >> and serena's lawyer. esmeralda. >> stephanie: sexy liberal on the other side of the equation, hey, steph and the mooks, hang on a second. seriously, what the [ bleep ] is new about all of this. i'm still trying to figure this [ bleep ] out because some punk wanted to pretend he's a great american. i hope he goes to prison for life. i didn't serve my country with a top clearance to have a high school dropout decide what's right and wrong for the entire country. change the [ bleep ] law or shut the [ bleep ] up. kevin in chicago. by the way he made a good point. [ applause ]

a lot of these issues intersect whether we've been talking about gun registration, how everybody is a hypocrite on this issue about what's -- but he was saying when obama decided to continue bush's policies, he said i was pissed but you know what? my position lost -- guess what? do i think it is insane in this country that mentally ill people can continue to get assault rifles with no background check? yes. but guess what, it is still legal because i lost on that issue. right? this guy in santa monica had an automatic weapon with 1300 rounds and he's mentally ill. that's exactly -- anyway. >> yeah, but you know what, the aclu has brought a lawsuit against the obama administration for this. i don't know that the obama administration can win because this really flies in the face of the fourth amendment. >> stephanie: well, funny you should mention that. i have the fourth amendment right in front of me. [ ♪ battle hymn of republic ♪ ] >> i know. who printed that out for you stephanie? >> stephanie: why, you did. you're wrong on everything else

including aaron neville and bewitched. >> but am i wrong on the fourth amendment? >> stephanie: no. the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures should not be violated. >> no warrant shall issue upon probable cause supported by oath or affirmation, a place to be searched and person or places to be seized. >> that sounds like it has to be specific before you get a warrant. >> stephanie: i was laughing about papers being in there. this is what we keep talking about is that technology -- just like when we talk about the second amendment. the founding fathers couldn't have envisioned assault weapons. did a well-regulated milkish sha mean a mentally ill guy with an assault weapon? >> is a phone call a personal effect? >> stephanie: you don't know how i'm protecting my privacy? i have a paper calendar. there is no electronic record of my schedule anywhere. so, if it protects you -- right,

you have to break into my house and look at my paper calendar if you want to know what i'm doing. >> did you know e-mails are only private for 180 days? a warrant can be got ton look at your e-mails but after 180 days, it becomes a regular database according to the law and only a subpoena is needed rather than a warrant. >> stephanie: this may be a discussion more about technology because you know, exactly. while technology makes things easier -- for most people that understand it. like how to do a calendar on your thing. >> brad friedman is make -- >> stephanie: me and my 90-year-old mother, our personal lives are on lockdown because of the paper calendar. >> brad friedman has an interesting take on this whole booz allen hamilton thing. in disclosing, the nsa is a third party contractor, snowden's revelations touch upon the disturbing fact the u.s. has become not only a national surveillance state but a privatized national security surveillance state. our national security apparatus is run by massive, private

corporations whose financial interests may be better served by operating in secret and exploiting in public. >> stephanie: this whole thing still stinks to me that this guy worked there three weeks as a private contractor? he must have been intending -- >> the whole thing is fishy. >> stephanie: you don't get disgruntled working with three weeks. you do working with me. >> associate producers are like murphy brown's secretaries. >> stephanie: if there were better options for you. >> yeah. >> stephanie: this one sara in washington, kudos to jim. i love you all equally but jim is the hero of the week. thank jim for standing up for the fourth amendment in light of what has been revealed. now we have confirmation our internet usage is subject to search. it doesn't really matter to me that dana in maryland doesn't use e-mail. she doesn't feel like she has anything to hide. we all should be okay with this government overreach. the truth is if an american citizen is wrongfully suspected of associates with the wrong people, then other parts of their lives will be discover and perhaps used against them. those who are logical to accept

this are just part of the way things are supposed to be. now need to ask themselves where are we willing to draw the line. we could prevent a lot of time by violating more of the fourth amendment rights. instead, we need to say how loud is a nation. where do we draw the line? listen to the steph cast every day. that's all that's important to me. [ applause ] >> the whole privatization thing, blackwater and private profit prisons and all of that. they have a financial incentive to arrest people for whatever reason. >> stephanie: when we come back -- >> and you can't vote for the heads of the corporations. >> stephanie: right on the tail of the kudos to jim e-mail, i have a topic that is going to make jim's head explode. [ explosion ] 18 minutes after the hour. right back with all of that on "the stephanie miller show." >> holy cow! you just blew my mind! >> announcer: it's "the stephanie miller show."

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was not the same guy that played the captain on the titanic. >> he was in titanic though. >> he was in titanic yes. that much is correct. he played chubby drunk guy. i don't know. but i can't remember who his name was. >> stephanie: he played colonel crittenden on hogan's heroes. >> caller: yes but also he -- the guy that played the captain was the same guy that got killed in "return of the kings" movie in the lord of the rings series where he gets crushed by his own horse or whatever. i don't know. i can't remember his name. >> stephanie: you don't know who he played in titanic. >> he was colonel archibald gracey iv. >> he was the iceberg. >> stephanie: who is colonel archibald gracey? >> caller: some famous dead guy. i don't know. >> stephanie: all right. you confuse us more. thank you, dave. >> caller: you're welcome. >> i thought he was the captain.

i apologize. >> stephanie: how are you going to get on with your day now? it is ruined. >> totes ruined. >> dr. bombay dead ahead! [ ♪ "jeopardy" theme ♪ ] >> stephanie: what does jim love? the fourth amendment. [ ♪ "jeopardy" theme ♪ ] what does jim hate more than anything. it is in cars. people do this in their cars. >> texting. >> is texting going to merge with the fourth amendment? [ ♪ "nbc nightly news" ♪ ] >> stephanie: where do you come down on this? police officers across new jersey could be saying license, registration and cell phone, please. at the scenes of car crashes if new legislation introduced becomes law. it would allow cops without a warrant to thumb through your cell phones to determine if you were texting or talking on the phone when the accident occurred. it requires -- >> i think there is a loophole there. >> stephanie: see, i knew it! he hates that. >> no, no, no, this is against the fourth amendment. >> stephanie: the aclu says so too, you will be surprised

to know. it requires officers to have reasonable grounds to believe the law was broken. >> if you saw somebody doing this while they're driving and there's a crash. >> stephanie: a republican guy is behind the bill. by the time you call, the cop isn't going to witness it. unless you're unconscious with a cell phone in your hand or you know someone says oh, i saw him or her talking on the phone or texting. >> you can go to phone records and see. >> stephanie: you can subpoena phone records. that's what you need do. you can't rifle through someone's phone on the site without a warrant. >> stephanie: that's what i mean. >> that makes sense. >> stephanie: that's what i'm saying. that's even like -- again -- a judge would find probable cause. >> stephanie: a cop going give me your phone. >> i would throw the phone at the cop. >> stephanie: sexting me as you do. say you were just sexting me. that's the last thing they find. you know what i'm saying? >> ooh, this has got me civil libertarian hackles -- oh, my god!

>> stephanie: i mostly brought it up to torture jim. >> well, if you subpoena the phone records -- >> that's what you need to do. >> stephanie: the bill is problematic because it infringes on the privacy rights of citizens. generally probable cause is required. another new jersey state rep said he doubts the bill would solve any problems and whether it could be implemented fairly. if you went through what this bill is supposedly allowing, you still can't determine if the person with the phone had a distraction that contributed to the crash. the bill is problematic because it infringes on the privacy rights of citizens. i'll give you an example. i got in a fender bender a few months ago and i actually had been on the phone right before it happened. not illegal. on a bluetooth. but that wasn't what caused the crash. but if they had grabbed my cell phone and said -- >> you were talk on the phone. >> stephanie: it was just -- there had been an accident so we were at a stand still then we all started going and there was

another stop and everybody stopped too quickly and i hit the car in front of me. >> so it was your fault. >> stephanie: well, yes. but it was not caused by me being on the phone. that would have been creepy to me if the cop said give me your phone and i'm going to rifle through it. >> you could argue that if you had been drinking and you hit the other car -- >> had you been drinking? >> stephanie: no. it was in the morning. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: i was on my way back from work. someone compared it to that if you had an open container of alcohol in the car. somebody in support of the law said oh, that's the same thing. a cop can grab that. >> but it is illegal to have an open container in the car in most states. >> stephanie: right. it is also illegal to be on the phone hand-held or texting in some states. >> not all states. >> stephanie: it is a pesky topic, isn't it? 29 minutes after the hour. right back on "the stephanie miller show."

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but still support the drug war you must be high. >> i think the number one thing that viewers like about "the young turks" is that we're honest. i think the audience gets that i actually mean it. >> you're putting out there something that you're proud of. journalists want the the story and they want the right story and the want the true story. >> you can say anything here. >> i spent a couple of hours with a hooker. >> your mistake was writing a check. >> she never cashed it! >> the war room. >> compared to other countries with tighter gun safety laws our death toll is just staggering. >> the young turks. >> the top bankers who funneled all the money to the drug lords, no sentence. there's just no justice in that. >> viewpoint. >> carl rove said today that mitt romney is a lock to win next pope. he's garunteeing it. >> joy behar: say anything. >> is the bottom line then that no white person should ever, ever, ever use the "n" word? >> yes! >> only on current tv.

>> announcer: stephanie miller. >> i must say, ever since you started having regular intercourse, your mind has lost its keen edge. you should reflect on that. >> stephanie: all right. done. 34 minutes after the hour. 1-800-steph-12 the phone number toll free from anywhere. blanche in harrisburg, you're on "the stephanie miller show." >> caller: hello, there. how are you guys? >> stephanie: good. >> caller: i love your show. i love all of you guys. i want to thank you for all of the information you give to everyone who watches tv and watches your show. all of the outlets. you're the only show i watch

anymore. everybody else has love their ever loving mind. i'm so sick of everybody else but your show keeps me laughing and keeps me informed. i thank you, all of you. >> stephanie: thank you. >> caller: you guys are awesome. >> stephanie: she's always depended on the kindness of strangers on our show. blanche, what do you think of this whole nsa thing? >> caller: i don't see anything wrong with it at all. government knows what they're doing, you know. the program has obviously been out there for awhile. i don't know why everybody is losing their mind about it. >> stephanie: well, you know, it is interesting. there is a new poll, jim. this shows exactly what i said before. so much hypocrisy to go around. the numbers clip, democrats republicans, depending on whether bush or obama was doing this. >> stephanie: as someone mentioned, i did the story that made jim's head explode. he thinks there is a loophole in the fourth amendment regarding cell phones and texting. >> chris is right. subpoena the phone records.

>> stephanie: that's the way they have to do it now. >> that's the way they should continue doing it. >> stephanie: this is a new jersey law we were talking about that is being considered where the cop could take your cell phone at the scene of an accident to see if you've been texting or calling. >> sometimes police officers don't get to do everything that they want to do. >> stephanie: look at you. so much for your law & order liberal side. it just went poof. >> that's my law side. >> time for you to go sit in the corner and think about what you've done. >> stephanie: what's the quote now that i'm going to screw up. i may disagree with you. >> but i'll defend your right to be wrong. >> stephanie: top of my lungs something. my point is -- >> must get into iraq as quickly as we got out of -- >> stephanie: no that's a different thing. >> as easily, as quickly, out from go away. >> stephanie: okay. [ applause ] here's my point. i was saying, it is interesting. jim hates people texting and

talking on the phone. again that, goes to one of those things, too, look at this gun debate. people are like it's crazy. freedom, hitler, you can't register -- we're like okay. do do you remember when we first had seatbelts? i felt like that. screw you! >> you didn't wear one for the longest time. >> stephanie: gradually we all go is it giving up a freedom? yes. >> going throughout windshield? >> stephanie: same thing the no cell phone laws. screw you. i'm in the privacy of my car. >> to be decapitated like jane mansfield. >> stephanie: what? [ ♪ battle hymn of republic ♪ ] >> just a torso with boobs. >> stephanie: i wanted the freedom because if not then you're hitler. if i don't have the freedom to be just a torso with boobs what kind of country is this? >> texting and talking on the phone -- >> stephanie: it is a different law in different states. i got a ticket for talking on the phone when that law first

passed. i was pissed. i was like at ca, at ca! screw you. it was in the privacy of my car! >> if you're using both hands to drive and you have a bluetooth and you're not involved in an emotional conversation. >> stephanie: what's next in terms of taking away our freedoms? [ ♪ battle hymn of republic ♪ ] who is to decide what is an emotional conversation because there is a difference between what men and women consider an emotional conversation and what i consider intimacy. i'm just kidding. who judges that? >> i'm talking about things i've observed on the freeway where someone who is tailgating you and they're shouting and just -- obviously talk being to someone on bluetooth. then you pull over and they pull up right behind -- >> stephanie: you've heard it, ladies and gentlemen. jim ward would prevent you from -- jim ward's america, you would not have the freedom to -- >> when i'm talking on the bluetooth, i'm look in the mirrors. i still have situational awareness.

>> i can never get the bluetooth to stay in my ear. i always have one hand up here. [ ♪ dramatic ♪ ] >> i have a jawbone. that's the only kind. i have weirdly shaped ears. >> stephanie: you know what would happen to you in jim ward's america for the crime of having a weirdly shaped ear. >> you know the iphone earbuds? they do not stay in my ear. >> stephanie: just saying. when you talk about freedoms you give up, you must -- we grew up in an era where you would trade in your car and the seatbelts were never used. oh, are they in there somewhere? >> seatbelts? >> right. >> shoved down in there. >> stephanie: i remember i hated wearing seatbelts. it is one of those things, you go okay, for safety. this is where we get into the gun debate. one thing that you know -- >> that can't be regulated. >> cars in the '70s only had the lap belt. crash, just chopped in half.

>> get whiplash. >> exactly. >> break your neck. >> how did we survive the '70s. >> stephanie: turned your car into a ginsu knife. they're all interesting topics when you're talking about -- >> metal dashboards. >> stephanie: when you're talking about freedoms in all of that. the freedoms of yes we've given up in the name of either safety in terms of on the highways or security in terms of terrorists but interesting. so, i know. i know that's his bugaboo is people texting or calling. see? literally, for a moment, he's like there might be a loophole in the fourth amendment that allows the cop to grab your phone at the scene. [ ♪ "jeopardy" theme ♪ ] >> just for that, you can text via siri by saying text so and so. however, it always misspells things and so then you have to go back and manually fix the misspellings. >> stephanie: exactly.

because siri is so passive aggressive, you could end up in gitmo again. >> sure. >> stephanie: siri textbitch boss. >> how do you know that i have you in my phone. >> which boss would you like me to text? >> i said bitch boss. >> recalculating. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: okay. tangy in alabama you're on "the stephanie miller show." >> caller: hey. excuse me. hey. i completely agree with the last person -- >> stephanie: about what? >> caller: i disagree with jim on the nsa thing completely. i'll tell you why because i'm trying to figure out where was glen graywall and where was the aclu when the mayor of new york passed that stop and frisk thing?

where were they? >> stephanie: right. >> it is almost as if when the constitutional of a certain sector which they've been violated since we've been here so it is like we have no real heartfelt thing about the constitution. especially like who it was written by and what they wrote in it. now, all of a sudden -- certain people's rights will be violated. >> stephanie: that's what we're debating. did the founding fathers envision the second amendment crazy people with assault weapons. in the fourth amendment when it refers to papers, what do you do in the electronic age? >> i think you have to apply the word "papers" to any kind of personal documents. >> exactly. >> it doesn't have to literally be paper. >> stephanie: good luck in the electronic age. >> it is still a document whether or not it is on paper. they call documents papers back

then. that's what they called them. >> stephanie: okay. richard in new york. you're on "the stephanie miller show." hi richard. >> caller: how you doing? >> stephanie: good, go ahead. >> caller: maybe he went to hong kong to lock in the charges because of the extradition treaty. not to keep everything secret. to keep everything out in the open. >> i'm not sure hong kong doesn't have an extradition treaty. >> they do. >> stephanie: i think they do. >> they have an extradition agreement. >> stephanie: he needs to recalculate. by the way, can i have some russian music? how about russia offering him asylum. they believe in the freedom to speak out. i think they're just doing it to irritate us. they're saying they would consider asylum for edward snowden. here it is. i got it. russia has offered to consider an. >> sile um request from the u.s.

whistle-blower snowden. he said that the weekend my predisposition to seek asylum in a country with shared values -- [ scooby-doo's "huh?" ] >> stephanie: citing iceland as an example, dmitri putin's spokesman, he said if such an appeal is given it will be considered. the head of alexei, head of the national affairs committee said by promising asylum to snowden, it takes upon itself those protected. >> i think i'm gonna burst. >> stephanie: okay. there will be hysterics in the u.s. uh-huh. >> computer says yes. >> stephanie: they only recognize this right for themselves. was he implying that russia -- they don't recognize that right for their own people. huh? >> well. sort of. not the soviet union anymore. >> yeah, but it's not the beacon of freedom.

>> stephanie: sure. you speak out against putin they treat you badly. >> if you even say the word gay they put you in a gulag. >> stephanie: well-known human rights activist, russia. what? he said listening to telephones and tracking the internet, the u.s. special services broke the laws of their country. no, they didn't. that's the problem. it is the law of our country. whether you believe in that or not, believe in the patriot act it is incorrect. snowden is a human rights activist. >> computer says no. >> [ whatever! ] >> stephanie: the country -- russia has -- i like that they add this in the story. russia has a poor reputation for human rights. with people regularly persecuted for their political beliefs. they suffer harrowing things. i'm just guessing it involves what's that area? siberia. >> stephanie: right. being hit with the russian equivalent of a bag of vipers or

glass. okay. >> i think they have vipers. >> there's more glass than vipers in russia. >> it's good. >> stephanie: where is my bag of glass? all right. >> bag of vodka. >> stephanie: most of us would like to be hit with a bag of vodka in russia. right back on "the stephanie miller show." >> announcer: i got her number off the men's room stall. 1-800-steph-12.

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♪ freedom ♪ ♪ freedom ♪ >> stephanie: 50 minutes after the hour. 1-800-steph-12 the phone number toll free from anywhere. travis bone, associate producer, phone screener, texted siri. >> well, he talked to siri and he said siri, are you helping the nsa wiretapping. siri said no comment travis. [ ♪ dramatic ♪ ] >> stephanie: oh, sure! she's a little sketch. that siri. okay. kent in maryland. she's so evasive. kent in maryland, hi. >> caller: hi. good morning mooks. all right, so i may be verbose. feel free to cut me off if that's necessary. i think the thing with the nsa is that people aren't as apathetic as we think they are. part of it is they don't understand the gravity of it and the biggest part is we don't feel as the american people that we can effect change in our

government anymore. i mean you think back -- going back a ways, we watched for what? five months, 50 days, something like that as billions of barrels of oil spilled into the gulf of mexico. we did occupy wall street. and had protests and we were on the news every night. nothing changed. >> stephanie: wait, kent. that one i would say it did start a conversation about income inequality that we've never had before. i think it was part of this last election particularly when romney got caught on tape about the 47% comments. i agree with you to a point. my personal frustration is with the gun stuff. really? like really? 90 something percent of the american people want this and we still weren't able to get it. i agree with both parts of what you're saying. >> caller: it seems as though -- this is, you know, from a disillusioned 20 something speaking something that we can't effect any pro-active change in governmental policies at the moment. we have to rely on a congress

and the senate that can't agree that ice is colder than steam. >> you're very right. >> stephanie: nicely said, sir. all right glen greenwald from "the guardian" who broke the story. >> we're going to have a lot more significant revelations that have not yet been heard over the next several weeks and months. >> stephanie: why do we have to wait? why not now? i would like to know. interesting piece in the "daily beast." [ ♪ "nbc nightly news" ♪ ] edward snowden armchair analysis. they interviewed a lot of experts. is edward snowden a mastermind or a maniac? genius or narcissist. they asked professional profilers to diagnose him. he could be a narcissist, motivated by the glory of seeing his name in.print. maybe he's a disgruntled guy who thinks he's smarter than everyone else.

>> is this bill o'reilly's body language expert? >> stephanie: no. these are real people. but there is that. our first -- kevin in chicago wrote -- was pissed. it is up to this guy to decide the laws of our land, some high school dropout that's obviously -- must have gone into this job intending to do that. he's only in the job -- i'm just saying to leak a bunch of national security secrets which may or may not get a lot of people killed. the same thing we talked about yesterday with valerie plame. one story saying we don't know yet whether this revealed -- every c.i.a. operative's name and place around the world. >> at this point, we only know about the program. that the nsa is doing. we don't know any specific information. so right now -- >> stephanie: they don't know. one story, an analysis was saying they don't know if a lot of c.i.a. operations and their locations and agents have been revealed. >> it may come out. but maybe not. >> we don't know yet.

>> the whole thing is weird. >> stephanie: exactly. agreed. dr. casey jordan criminologist says he thinks he's a hero. he think of himself as a conscientious objector. if you die trying, you'll be remembered for your actions. one hopes he's played by a better singer than -- >> russell crowe? >> stephanie: right. >> russell crowe wasn't bad. hugh jackman bothered me with that ridiculous -- >> russell crowe seemed like he was out of place. he doesn't have a musical theatre voice. he has a rock singer voice. >> he hit the notes. >> he was adequate. >> stephanie: will his girlfriend lost at sea be played by -- what's her name in mess -- in "les miserables." >> the toothless prostitute. >> anne hathaway. >> she certainly does. >> stephanie: retired fbi profiler and former u.s. army

intelligence agent said for someone to believe he could make decisions on world events and he can shape the world he alone not the judges or the supreme court should be the only ones to determine what should be a national security, that's a level of arrogance only he can explain. there are usually personal reasons why someone like him gives up the goods. this is just the most [ bleep ] way to break up with a girlfriend everier. just saying. fbi and agents have given up information for money sometimes because they were underpaid and underappreciated. look how smart i am. was there a level of narcissism. did he feel his supervisors demeaned him. all of these questions will have to be answered. the fact he was only there three weeks will say really? did you decide to do this and get disgruntled within three weeks? >> what kind of background check did he pass? >> stephanie: we know he lied about his salary. he said $200,000 and they said $122,000. >> which is still pretty good

for a high school dropout. >> stephanie: he may be fudging some things is all we're saying. according to a canadian criminal profile expert, he was the wrong guy in the wrong place. someone who shouldn't have had access to the information he had access to. clearly. they put him in areas where he seized the data collection, on such a large scale that he's more loyal to his personal ideals than government or national security. i love this part. have you heard -- hold up in a swank hotel in hong kong. snowden said he barely left his room. has lined the doors with pillows to prevent eavesdropping and -- >> oh, come on! >> really? >> stephanie: if he knows what technology can do, oh, a pillow will stop that. a pillow will get me that. >> that sounds like paranoia. >> stephanie: put a red hood over his head and computer when entering his password to prevent hidden cameras. if he thinks the nsa can get anything really? all we need is a pillow or a red hood? >> has to be red apparently.

>> you don't call attention to yourself with red. >> he gets weirder and weirder. >> stephanie: just this sentence alone. snowden told "the guardian" he wants to avoid the media spotlight. what's wrong with that sentence? >> what? >> stephanie: he told a major newspaper -- i said, please -- >> i'm avoiding the media spotlight. i don't want public attention because i don't want the story to be about me. >> i don't want public attention. >> stephanie: it is like news for the hard of hearing. >> francisco franco is still dead. >> except for the several involved. >> stephanie: a lot of the government agents think their jason bourne. i think that's seduced to the assange concept. it is a miscalculation on his part. i love his desire for iceland may be a miscalculation. i hope he googles the temperature of iceland in january. >> a red hoody ain't gonna cut it. >> stephanie: right back on "the stephanie miller show."

if this is all for the good of the country, why is greenwald choreographing the release of information? >> stephanie: thank you. why in the weeks and months ahead? why not now. >> so important that we know this now and this is a big national security breach and secret and the government is all evil, why are we releasing this in dribs and drabs? >> very good point. >> stephanie: interesting.

could be more more for people's self-aggrandizement. guess what i'm in a truffle with. you and your mom. >> your mom said you jacki started my day with a bigger smile than usual. i wrote you're welcome mom. happy birthday. jacki schechner's mom in florida. >> proof that my mother is tech savvy. >> stephanie: now the nsa knows all of my truffles. >> the only person who is almost as abusive with the emoticons is my mother. >> stephanie: because she made you. jacki schechner in the current news center. >> good morning. nsa director and head of u.s. cyber command army general keith alexander testifying today before the senate appropriations committee. alexander is the first from the nsa to be answering questions since we got the news last week that the agency is gathering the phone and internet data in an effort to combat terrorism. members of congress have been meeting with intelligence officials all week to get updates on the nsa surveillance programs. some say they previously have

not been "fully briefed" as the administration intelligence officials insist. the aclu filed a lawsuit against the nsa charging its surveillance programs, specifically collection offer verizon customer's phone data violates the first and fourth amendments. but a cbs poll released yesterday shows that 53% of americans think phone record collection is a key tool on terrorism and 75% say it is okay for federal agencies to collect the phone records of americans who are suspected of terrorist activities. and just last week, we told. >> little bit about e. w. jackson, the republican candidate for lieutenant-governor in virginia. he thinks yoga is bad for you because it creates an empty vessel for satan. take a look at the outside of jackson's big book released in 2008. he spells commandments with one m. he released the book and didn't mother to spell check the cover. one of his commandments is write it down. apparently also reviewing it once you write it down, not all

that important. this is a guy who is running for lieutenant-governor in virginia. he's just a hot mess all the way around. we're back after the break. are you encouraged by what you heard the president say the other night? is this personal, or is it political? a lot of my work happens by doing the things that i'm given to doing anyway, by staying in touch with everything that is going on politically and putting my own nuance on it. in reality it's not like they actually care. this is purely about political grandstanding. i've worn lots of hats, but i've always kept this going. i've been doing politics now for a dozen years. (vo) he's been called the epic politics man. he's michael shure and his arena is the war room. >> these republicans in congress that think the world ends at the atlantic ocean border and pacific ocean border. the bloggers and the people that are sort of compiling the best of the day. i do a lot of looking at those people as well. not only does senator rubio just care about rich people, but somehow he thinks raising the minimum wage is a bad idea for the middle class. but we do

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this much mail which says lot for this show. the wrongness of our bewitched references yesterday. just for those just tuning in this hour. >> don't panic. >> stephanie: diane from dallas steph your listeners are too young to ever watch bewitch. a lot of people screwed up in correcting our screwups. esmeralda was the nanny hired by the season after the death of actress marianne lauren who played aunt clara. i think i screwed that up. i said it the other way around. >> aunt clara died and was replaced by alice ghostly. aunt clara was really old. i believe alice might still be alive. >> stephanie: you know what? if i have to -- listen, i have enough trouble with aaron neville's family who is still alive and in possession of his mole so he could not have called edward snowden to get his mole back. >> i really just talk out of my ass about this stuff.

>> stephanie: she took over the comic screwup role, aunt clara. samantha's cousin, serena, andorra. all right. somebody gave us a comprehensive wiki wikipedia thing. before we move on to the fourth amendment thing. the only one of samantha's relatives for whom darren shows tolerance is the absentminded aunt clara. the well-intentioned spells usually backfire. they're a fumble such as entering via the chimney or colliding with the wall. she has a collection of over 1,000 doorknobs. >> okay. i remember that. she kept them in her bag. >> stephanie: rather than recast the role after laurens -- the actress -- after her death in 1968, a similar witch -- >> alice ghostly. >> stephanie: the good witch or the bad witch. >> the anxiety-ridden and magically inept housekeeper was

introduced in 1969. they replaced her wees mer alda. >> and folger's crystals. >> because that's another clara screwup. on samantha's side of the family is her look alike cousin serena also made by elizabeth montgomery. she's credited with the phrase of pandora's box. serena is the antithesis of san ma that sporting a beauty mark on her cheek. you said serena called and she needs her mole back. >> elizabeth montgomery is no longer with us. i know that for a fact. >> congratulations for not saying anti--thesis which could be another character. >> aunt clara and antithesis. >> stephanie: more progressive than typical witches. she's a liberal witch. she was a good witch. of course she is.

>> she's literally ghostly. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: ghostly ghost. okay. more progressive than typical witches or warlocks who generally abhor mortals her cousin occasionally dates including characters played by jack cassidy and peter lawford. serena supports samantha and darren even though she finds them both a bit square. thanks for that. way too much information. >> does it have to be warlocks? why can't it be peacelocks? >> stephanie: i didn't know that serena was -- >> stephanie: he was a confirmed bachelor like lindsey graham. >> can you get an elephant drunk? >> stephanie: okay. exactly. all right. so thank god that's all been cleared up. [ applause ] serena was the actually sexy liberal. how exciting. >> she was counter culture.

>> stephanie: right. okay. some more thoughts on the nsa leak. rachel in new hampshire. [ ♪ battle hymn of republic ♪ ] steph, this is rachel. i served in the navy from '69 to '77. activities for the nsa. even worked in intelligence for a year. with the high intelligence clearance i had i wasn't to tell anyone what did i, what i worked with, never. it was indoctrinated in me. this man who leaked this intelligence is a criminal, pure and simple. he signed documents saying he would not divulge any of the things he knew for as much as ten years after he left. he knew he was breaking the law. it is not up to him or anyone else working in the intelligence community to determine whether or not what they're working with is right or wrong. imagine someone working with the d-day information decided he thought it was wrong to send thousands of men to their deaths on the beaches of normandy and leaked the plans to the press before it happened. >> we're going in at normandy. >> stephanie: exactly what this guy did.

whether anyone died because of it or not, he belongs in jail. not held up to some kind of misguided hero worship. rachel in new hampshire. a little world war ii analogy jim. >> serena looked like joanne worley. >> stephanie: i was thinking that same thing. when she called samantha and darren square. >> can't do the -- [ ♪ opera ♪ ] >> stephanie: i was thinking that exact thing. okay, that's weird. all right. now you've done it. you've tickled that part of my brain. [ ♪ opera ♪ ] >> stephanie: all right. yes, strange bedfellows indeed. john boner yesterday. >> he's a traitor. the president outlined last week that these are important national security programs to help keep americans safer and the disclosure of this information puts americans at

risk. >> stephanie: bit way whatever he just said, that activates the list a little more. he's despicable. he said -- >> you're despicable! >> stephanie: i need to hear the sound byte again. >> he's a traitor. the president outlined last week that these are important national security programs to help keep americans safe and give us tools to fight the terrorist threat that we face. the disclosure of this information puts americans at-risk. >> you're despicable! >> plenty of tools in congress. >> yeah, well. boner being one of them. >> stephanie: the terrorist threat is -- >> you're despicable! >> stephanie: okay. tom in albuquerque. you're on "the stephanie miller show." hello, tom. >> caller: it's interesting the whole nsa thing.

now apparently is going to go into the federal courts. and if there is any undemocratic institution in our federal government, it is the federal courts. it underscores the importance of who we elect as president and senators. because i can see this playing out as a 5-4 vote. >> stephanie: tom, i don't know if you're referring to the aclu. sue has sued senior u.s. government officials and challenged the constitutionality of the nsa's telephone surveillance program saying it violates the rights to free speech and privacy. the suit asks the court to halt the nsa's tracking program of telephone calls and ordered the u.s. government to purge all databases of the call records. by the way, i was torturing jim with this new jersey law that they're considering about, you know, obviously involving the fourth amendment. police being able to physically grab your cell phone at the scene of an accident. >> see if you were texting. >> stephanie: if you were on the phone or texting because they've had a huge number of

cell phone-related accidents in jersey. jim briefly considered whether there was a brief hole in that. in the fourth amendment. >> computer says no. >> stephanie: decided against it. >> there's nothing that specifically says you can't take someone's cell phone away in the fourth amendment. >> that's unreasonable search and seizure. >> stephanie: without probable cause. they're saying what if there is probable cause. they're saying that would likely wind up in the supreme court too. >> you can see if someone is texting while they're driving. >> stephanie: the other driver could say -- the phone -- i don't know. >> that's not proof though. one word against another. >> stephanie: senator ron wyden, democrat of oregon. >> we sent them the question ahead of time. we indicated to them afterwards there would be an opportunity to amend it. and that's where i'll leave it. >> stephanie: he was talking about whether -- you know, he claims that clapper was not -- you know, was not forthcoming with him.

by the way lindsey graham says the u.s. intelligence service well-known southern belle the uncle arthur of the senate -- >> oh, really? >> stephanie: i'm just saying. technically. he says the u.s. intelligence surveillance of phone records allows analysts to monitor u.s. phone records for a pattern of calls even if the numbers have no known connection to terrorism the nsa matches phone numbers against known terrorists. he helped draft the surveillance law that governs the surveillance program. which if, in fact, his cell phone was seized and you know, he happened to have a -- let's say grinder app. i'm just saying. i'm throwing out things that may or may not be on there. >> people could see all of the winks he sent to mccain on grinder. >> stephanie: exactly. nudges nods, what else are they called? >> i don't know. i have no idea. >> stephanie: widen said the national intelligence director did not give a straight answer when asked whether the nsa collects any data on millions of americans.

it was one of those like it depends on what you mean by collect. he said something like unwittingly. ron wyden called for hearings to discuss two recently revealed nsa programs. he was among a group of senators who introduced legislation yesterday. forced the government to classify opinions of the secret court, the fisa court. other key members including the boner who we played and dianne feinstein say they're valuable tools in the former nsa contractor who leaked them is a traitor. yeah by the way orly taitz is still waiting for o an answer. edward snowden day. she she wants edward snowden patriot day. she compares it to martin luther king day. >> what? >> she wouldn't be doing that if george bush was still protest. >> she did not protest the

passage of the patriot act. >> stephanie: no. that's when it wasn't the kenyan that was doing it. 18 minutes after the hour. right back on "the stephanie miller show." >> to be honest, i've never seen such dysfunction. >> announcer: it's "the stephanie miller show."

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subscribe. go to big commerce.com, click on the blue headphones at the top left of the home page and select stephanie from the drop down menu. big commerce.com, click on the little blue headphones and select stephanie won't you? guess what, all of our worlds have collided. bewitched, the one theme of the show and the nsa the other with hack in colorado. hi hack, welcome. >> caller: hi, stephanie. before i get to that, i just want to say my dream date would be dinner with you and rachel rachel maddow. >> stephanie: a three way. >> caller: by the end of the date, i would half way to a ph.d. >> stephanie: that would be entirely due to rachel. >> caller: one fun fact about the -- >> stephanie: oh goodness. what he was saying is mrs. kravitz was the original nsa which is funny because she was the snoopy neighbor of

bewitched. >> who conducted the last interview with sandra guild, the woman who played mrs. kravitz. before she died? >> stephanie: who would that be? >> stephanie miller. [ applause ] >> stephanie: did i kill her? i will never know. >> you interviewed her in like 1999. >> stephanie: she was delight everything. i had dinner with her once. she was not that snoopy. >> she was lovely in person. she died two weeks later. >> stephanie: i apologize if i had anything to do with that. >> you told her something that was highly classified and they had to kill her. >> stephanie: perhaps. i don't think so. who can say. okay. we mentioned this yesterday. a new poll by pew research. >> pew pew pew. >> stephanie: found americans prioritize the government's need to investigate over the need to protect personal privacy. most selected the telephone records an very very acceptable way to investigate terrorism. they said there's no plans to scrap the program.

because part of the -- the politicians are looking at the same polls we are. in terms of oversight senator ron wyden said something i agree with. senator widen. >> it is not possible for the congress to do the kind of vigorous oversight that the president spoke about if you can't get -- >> stephanie: yeah. there's gotta be meaningful oversight which is what his point was. representative adam schiff, who was right in that chair last week, he said there's very little trust in the government. that's for good reason. we're our own worst enemy. i think that -- a lot of people feel like we do need to look at this. and we need to look at oversight and we need to look at perhaps even -- somebody mentioned the fisa court being a rubber stamp. i think that's an issue in this, too. clapper has ordered an internal review to assess how much damage the disclosures created.

intelligence experts say terrorist attacks and others seeking to attack the u.s. all but certainly will find alternate ways to communicate instead of relying on systems. jay carney said the president is open for discussion about the spy programs both with allies and in congress. senator marco rubio. >> some of the media accounts i've read based on some of the leaks, do not paint a complete and accurate portrayal of how the programs work. >> stephanie: we've heard that from others. let's go to john in wyoming. you're on "the stephanie miller show." hi john. >> hi. here in conservativeland, i'm told that in the case of the nsa wiretapping, if i have nothing to hide, then i have no problem. >> stephanie: right. >> caller: how about the reverse. if the government has nothing to hide, they should have no problem with their leakers like bradley manning. >> stephanie: yeah. john, i get what you're saying but the point is -- alfranken made this argument, if the american people know what i know, then the bad guys know. the government has to hide some

things like classified intelligence, you know. go ahead jim. >> some things, in the process of educating the public, they're listening, too. they're downloading "new york times" and watching cnn. >> stephanie: you know, senator franken who i trust obviously, said i've been to all of the briefings i've seen all of the intelligence. the fact is not everybody should see this. if the american people see everything i've seen, then the terrorists see it and the bad guys see it, too. >> then the terrorists have won. >> the thing is -- the whole thing about bradley manning is we've been hiding things from the american people. us about -- things going on. >> stephanie: i think there is a difference between this and that. as somebody wrote last hour, what is the news in this? this is not wrongdoing in the classic sense. we voted for this. whether that's right or wrong we can reexam. >> didn't really vote for the patriot act. >> we voted for the congressmen who are our representatives. >> stephanie: 29 minutes after the hour. right back on "the stephanie

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unconscious neighbor to save her life. a helper like you, jim. >> oh, my, my, my! >> stephanie: what might wake you up. probably shouldn't be joking about this. police in utah say a st. george man charged with raping his un conscious neighbor. >> stephanie: as you do with that magic magic rod. >> what was his reasoning? >> stephanie: oh, he said he did place it inside her to try to get her temperature up. probable cause statement filed. >> there's mouth-to-mouth and then there's -- >> of course, there's -- create friction. >> stephanie: he was taking her temperature traps. when officers arrived at the victim's house, they reportedly found him inside the residence performing cpr. he told the cops he had spotted her lying unconscious. >> he was inside the resident for awhile. >> stephanie: come on now. this is really not -- he told the cops he had spotted her lying unconscious lying outside.

he changed her clothes and placed her on the bed. you're like oh you don't want to be wearing that. that's awful. >> not in that dress. >> stephanie: kelly held the woman and attempted intercourse to warm her. according to kelly he and the victim had slept together before but the woman has since informed him she was no longer interested in having sex with him. >> sort of post-consensual. >> stephanie: wrong. okay. so that happened. we all let it happen. >> stephanie: we have lots more to talk about in this whole nsa thing. marcos of the daily coast our good friend joins us now. good morning marcos. i know we have lots to talk about. i wanted to get your thoughts on the nsa thing first. >> yeah.

you know you know what's really frustrating me about the whole thing? i'm sure you guys talk about how wrong it is to have this sort of program without any meaningful oversight of any sort. >> stephanie: i just said that -- >> lying to congress about it. >> stephanie: agree with ron wyden about that. you can't do meaningful oversight if you're not getting the right information. >> right. i don't care how useful this program is. i don't care how vital it is. how the nine -- how benign everyone claims it is. if it is so benign, what's the problem with oversight? let's have the courts look at it. let's have congress look at it. >> yeah. >> we want oversight. maybe it is the greatest thing since sliced bread. maybe it thwarted dozens of

terrorist attacks. i'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt if they're willing to open themselves up to oversight. has to be somebody look over the shoulders. blase the american people are about it. you look at the polling. i'm very poll centered. the american people really don't care. it is the sort of sentiment that i have nothing to hide. people have given up on the idea of privacy being general in the era of facebook and the internet. >> stephanie: that's right marcos. it is interesting, there are strange bedfellows on this issue there and is enough hypocrisy to go around. there is a new poll, abc news "washington post" poll that noted obviously a partisanship in support when it came to democrats and republican's view on the matter under george bush or obama. that's the headline. which american supports surveillance. depends on who's in the white house.

i've admitted to some of that when people have said to me, because you didn't trust george w. bush and you trust obama. i said yes yes that's part of it. but i do think that that doesn't mean that parts of it don't trouble me like it does you. >> yeah. if you give an executive branch power, they're going to use it. they're going to -- they're going to push it. it doesn't matter who they are. you may trust this democratic administration. you may think -- it is my sort of decision. but that doesn't mean somebody can't abuse it. can't take it too far. can't use it to attack their enemies. can't use it. and you know, get the administration out of it. look at the guy who had access to the information. it was a high school dropout. he walks out on the military. these are the kind of people.

look who has the data. it is not obama. who was sifting through the information. it was people like the whistle-blower. >> stephanie: let me get your take on this since are you a noted polling expert. 56% of americans say tracking phone records is acceptable. 41% disagree. 62% think quote-unquote, it is more important for the federal government to investigate possible terrorist threat even if that intrudes on personal privacy. today, 52% of republicans said tracking phone records is acceptable compared to 75% in january of 2006. so again, they were okay with it when it was bush. they're less okay with it now that it's the kenyan. >> yeah. in addition to polling i also spent a lot of time in right wing sides. the divide that you're talking about in the republican side has come down to the neocons who just think anything having to do

with terrorists is kosher, right. rand paul libertarian wing of the party says because obama is in the white house has become fundamentalist on civil liberties. that's the divide. when it comes to neocons they don't care. >> stephanie: has anyone -- which way do you want it now? is the president a weak on terror socialist? right? >> i don't know about dick cheney. i know ari fleisher has demanded the white house apologize that obama apologize to bush. and thank him for giving him these tools. >> stephanie: isn't that rich? on the other side, too. in the same poll, marcus. for democrats 64% said they support phone tracking versus 34% who do not. in january 2006, 23-6r% said it was un-- 36% said unacceptable.

we had vast reason not to trust the bush administration. >> i think there's two things at play. democrats in general are more trustworthy of government. that's why we're democrats. we think we they can improve our lives. they had every reason not to trust bush. i actually wonder what the numbers would look like if it was a more benign republican administration along the lines of george bush sr. which, in retrospect -- so, generally democrats really do. we're not hostile to government. in the way that republican -- so to me, i was more impressed by the fact that republicans were so pro government spying during the bush years considering that their whole entire philosophy is predicated on the notion that government can't work and is incompetent. >> stephanie: "the new york times," juliet said democrats

may feel that if the obama administration has decided to continue a bush era program it must mean it's necessary. that's not hypocrisy more like a matter of trust mistrust and leadership. i was just saying, this poll shows it is on both sides. >> yeah. >> stephanie: let's talk about another topic because you've been talking about it, it is hilarious, the immigration bill and ted cruz. your headline is ted cruz outrage that obama wants an immigration bill to do what it's supposed to do. tell us about that. >> yeah. you have -- yesterday texas was saying the biggest obstacle to the immigration bill is that president barack obama keeps insisting on a pathway to citizenship. if you drop that, it could pass. and i'm not sure what would pass. >> if you drop the whole bill, it would pass. >> stephanie: the whole point of the bill is path to citizenship. you get rid of that, there's nothing left to pass, idiot. >> what kind of moron he is.

>> stephanie: go ahead. >> he's a moron. to me, what's fascinating about ted cruz. these are some fascinating statistics. if texas latinos had voted at the same rate as texas whites, mitt romney's 16 point victory in 2012 over barack obama would have been a 5.5 point victory the second closest state romney had won. ted cruz's victory would have been a 6 point victory. now, every year latino performance -- they're the largest group -- the majority in the texas public schools. 51% of public texas school children. only a third of school children are white in texas. every year, democratic performance goes up by 1.5 points. that is assuming that those

turnout rates remain as crappy as they are today. they're abysmal. >> stephanie: yeah. >> so by 2024, just nothing else changes, just the fact that more latinos and more asians are being born and reaching voting age, 2024, texas will be a purple state. latinos start voting, that could be by 2016, 2020. so if nothing else -- >> stephanie: what an election night that will be! if you see texas go blue in 2016. hilarious. >> if hillary clinton runs, texas will go blue in 2016. she's leading in the polling in texas right now. >> stephanie: just the landmass alone watching that go magically blue. [ ♪ magic wand ♪ ] karl rove's head explode on fox news. [ explosion ] >> it would be pretty awesome. so if republicans win it could they could win pennsylvania,

new hampshire, virginia, would still lose the election. so it is -- bottom line, they cannot win without texas. so nothing else, for this immigration bill because of texas. >> stephanie: you have put me back in a happy clappy mood. marcos mule sass, we appreciate you. [ applause ] wow, just imagine. [ ♪ "nbc nightly news" ♪ ] this just in. texas has gone for hillary clinton! if you thought karl rove had a meltdown last election on fox news, woo! that would be a thing of beauty to watch. 46 minutes after the hour. right back on "the stephanie miller show." >> announcer: for a good time, call now. 1-800-steph-12.

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have they gotten it wrong so many times? 9-11. they supposedly knew of the threat that we were supposed to have. did nothing. recent bombing in boston, they knew of the guys that were the ones that supposedly did it. >> stephanie: right. i think those are two entirely different situations, 9-11 and the boston -- >> caller: they're collecting information, correct? >> stephanie: yeah. i hear what you're saying. my point is there were other things involved. obviously 9-11 was the worst intelligence failure in our history. and you gotta give a lot of the blame of that to the bush administration. they had a million different% warnings. boston is a little more -- i get what you're saying if they're interrupting everything, why didn't we catch that. there is a lot to do with russia and what they share with us and what they didn't. rocky mountain mike has graced us with what now? >> the hyperactive nsa.

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>> stephanie: rocky mountain mike and mary in ann arbor. we've been talking about all morning, this thing in new jersey because i want to make jim ward's head explode. [ explosion ] there is a law they're considering that cops would be able to cease your cell phone at the scene of a car crash to see if you've been texting or talking on the phone. obviously aclu saying the same thing about the fourth amendment, in that sense. but you know what's interesting we've been talking about this all morning. [ ♪ "nbc nightly news" ♪ ] this one, i'm reading online using voice commands to send text messages from behind the wheel. it is a safer alternative, it is more distracting than talking on a cell phone according to a new aaa study. >> how can it be more distracting? >> stephanie: just telling you what -- >> that's what the government says. >> oh, well, it must be true then. >> stephanie: jim ward wants to be judge and jury in jim ward's america. you would not be able to have

emotional conversations. and testic late. >> that's fallacy that talking on the phone is just as distracting as texting. it is nonsense. if you're just saying look, i'm running a few minutes late, i'll be there in 10. boom done. during that time you still have situational awareness. you can look in your mirrors, see what's in front of you and behind you. but if you're in a long, involved, drawn out conversation, that's very different. you're obviously not paying attention. >> stephanie: i was saying men and women different judges of what's in an emotional conversation. and what is normal intimacy. >> normal intimacy? >> while you're driving? >> wow. >> that's not distracting? >> that was a peek into your psyche. >> stephanie: all right. i'm just saying they're for different -- you said the same thing. that's the part of the problem with the new jersey thing is because you go -- someone was saying even if you cease the phone, you can't prove what you

were doing exactly was -- the distraction that caused the crash. is my point. >> if you see someone texting while they're driving you know exactly what caused the crash. >> stephanie: jim's bugaboo. he was looking for a loophole in the fourth amendment for that one. >> wait until you get hit by someone texting and driving. >> stephanie: i agree. i gave up my right to be decapitated when i decided to obey the seatbelt law. hello, jill in ithaca. you're on "the stephanie miller show." >> caller: hello. this is especially for my reality -- mr. ward. yes, when 9-11 happened, why weren't the jet fighters there? they were on war games. who's in charge of war games? [ ♪ dramatic ♪ ] you guys connect the dots any way you want.

who owns booz allen? >> interesting. the carlyle group. >> stephanie: i said that yesterday. >> caller: right. who is very much affiliated with the carlyle group? the bushes. [ ♪ dramatic ♪ ] >> what was in building seven? >> stephanie: now, you've got jim wound up. okay. >> financial records about things like harkin energy which involved the bush family. [ ♪ dramatic ♪ ] >> stephanie: allen in texas hi allen. >> caller: good morning. on this nsa thing i can see pros and cons, both sides of it. i can see anybody can make the good argument for it and the argument against. but like lindsey graham and john boner, you don't have nothing to worry about. don't worry about if you didn't do nothing wrong but yet, at the same time, you know, they don't mind you taking -- getting private information which steps all over the fourth amendment but yet when it comes to buying

a gun they don't want you collecting public information you could actually hurt somebody with protecting americans. >> stephanie: exactly. i said that. there's hypocrisy to go around. booz allen confirmed edward snowden is fired. >> you're fired! >> stephanie: what? what did he do? he said he made $200,000. they said $122,000. >> maybe that's after tax. >> stephanie: okay. he said contractors are an integral part of our work force and critical to our national security effort. that's been part of our discussion. is it time to break? i think it is. that's part of our discussion about private contractor part of this. we'll continue on "the stephanie miller show."

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>> good morning, everybody. the south china morning post is teasing a new exclusive interview with edward snowden from his secret location in hong kong. the paper online posts a small summary with a promise that a full story is coming soon. snowden who told "the guardian" he understood and accepted that he would be punished for his actions, reportedly says in the new south china piece he intends to ask the courts and the people of hong kong to decide his fate and trust their system to help him fight extradition to the united states. snowden told "the guardian" he doesn't want public attention because he doesn't want the story to be about him and distract from the conversation about the government's actions which begs to question why he's granting another interview now that the data he handed over is out and people are talking about the government. snowden's sole motive was to inform the public as he says and we're now informed, what's he doing? in other news, now that the senate has voted 84-15 to bring comprehensive immigration reform to the senate floor for debate,

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♪ when you're with the steph tones ♪ ♪ you'll have a great time ♪ >> stephanie: thank you rocky mountain mike. >> a little showy. >> stephanie: i love it. speaking of sexy liberal. >> steffi. >> stephanie: what's that heavy breathing i hear? could it be? ♪ the humpty dance ♪ >> stephanie: hump days with hal sparks. >> yes yes yes. >> stephanie: good morning hal sparks. >> good morning. how are you? >> stephanie: good. how are you? >> i'm spectacular. very exciting. so much news. where do you start? >> stephanie: your thoughts on the whole nsa thing? >> this is the interesting thing. i don't know if everybody remembers there was a south park episode where -- about the itunes contract. where they realized i'm sorry you've sold your soul to the devil because everybody

knowingly went -- my difficulty with the nsa thing is that -- i appreciate that ron wyden is calling for -- >> stephanie: more oversight. >> and calling for hearings about what they were told to make sure they were told what they should have been told. >> because there now seems to be some discrepancies about what clapper said then and what is coming out of the nsa now. >> stephanie: are you collecting data? well no. >> i'll tell you why. this is the rub. this is how they get around that conversation. this is what he meant. no they're not collecting it. they're housing it for a temporary amount of time during like what would be a sifting period. the same way that, by the way when you erase an e-mail from. go mail or apple, they hold it on the server for months just in case you call tech support and go somebody broke into my account and started erasing my e-mails. you can always call it back. so there is a period to which you can do that. about three months usually.

sometimes bigger depending on how much you pay for your account or how much space you have. the government is doing the exact same thing. giant kind of microscopic net catching everything all at once, having it sit in the servers for kind of an undisclosed amount of time. and technically that's how he got around it. they're not collecting it. they're just kind of sitting on it for a time until this new chunk of information coming in and then they'll move that out. >> stephanie: i do get as techno phobic as i am, i get the difference between metta data and listen to your phone calls and reading your e-mails. so i get that. >> the interesting thing is they found a way -- i don't know how big the servers are. i can only imagine there is a floor of the pentagon about six miles below the earth's crust that glows at night.

>> i can't seem to keep my food down. >> i think i'm gonna burst. >> that's where the technology is. they have their own version of it. >> if there is a tech issue or they need to rebuild the server overnight or facebook collapses and it can't, through a denial of services attack or a lot of different elements. they need the ability to switch servers and turn back on in a relatively short amount of time. all of the stuff that's housed on facebook, every message you've ever sent on facebook is on two servers. just involving facebook. we know they tie everything into everybody else. your. g mail account and instagram. their secondary and secondary

servers beyond that. any tech person. can you call up with your e-mail address and go -- i think i lost a bunch of stuff. they can feed right through and look at everything in your file. just through a request. this is not -- there's no government oversight. this is a corporation doing this. this fear that somehow the government is doing it -- >> stephanie: i think there's only one bringing us all together. that's get carbonite and please type stephanie in the box. >> then it will be on three servers instead of two. >> it is compression. you have control over it. it is pass word protected. >> it is encrypted. >> right. therein lies the rub. everything that they're capturing, the corporate version of whatever you're using has captured -- at least twice and is sitting on it and it can be accessed not by somebody who's taken an oath of office, who has gotten security clearance even though with snowden, you know, that's the problem with the thing is -- i will -- >> stephanie: we were saying how there's a lot of issues

here, a lot of strange bedfellows on this issue. a lot of different opinions which brings us to today's hate letter. you know you and i get called obama apologists every day. this is not an easy -- when you have al franken -- someone was saying that glenn beck and michael moore both tweeted hero at the same time yesterday about snowden. you know. obviously plenty of people think he's a traitor. this is someone -- this is stick up the butt liberal. comments from eric. stephanie, it has been about a month since i listened to your show and i'm doing fine. he quit me as it turns out. fine! go! >> i wish i could quit you. >> stephanie: i've been listening to true liberal program such as canadian radio and tom hartman. nice to hear about the truth rather than the gushings of an obama apologist. i don't miss jacki john and pam and the mooks. everybody got caught cross in the -- got caught in the

crossfire. you don't care about those who care about the country to seek out real solutions to our problems. hal, you're not a legal liberal. >> the kind of liberal who will hate everyone because of the singular opinions. the kind of liberal who will hate everyone. >> vipers. >> stephanie: if i don't love vipers as much as dogs. >> then i hate -- >> stephanie: if you want to stay on the air as a liberal, i guess he's in charge of that. you're too centrist to see and accept the truth. for me, i'll never vote democrats. i would rather vote with my values. the real solutions are with the parties on the left like the green party. you have a lot to learn. >> in the parliamentary

democracy -- >> the rod up that man's butt must have a rod up its butt. >> we don't have that. >> big boon in this country would help solve a lot of problems if you had your second choice candidate as a possibility so you didn't always have to have -- i'm wasting a vote kind of moment. you might actually have some more diversity in the system. i'm just throwing that out there. probably ten years away. >> stephanie: can i just say i think randi rhodes and thom hartmann are good liberals. [ ♪ magic wand ♪ ] >> again the interesting part of this, there was like a story yesterday. there was 1,000% rise in the fisa requests for nsa surveillance data under obama than there was under bush. well, they weren't asking under bush at all! the reason there is a rise is because the obama administration is actually going to the fisa court.

the bush administration said we're not going to the fisa court. and in the last -- said we're not talking to congress, either. if they give you -- ignore it. same guy who said they should subpoena hillary clinton over benghazi recently. >> i'm a big fan of congressional oversight of this particular thing but the idea that we're going have public hearings about any of our spying programs is the most ridiculous notion in the world. we need to have oversight of these things. but the idea we're going to go -- we wouldn't have them over troop positions. why would we have them over intelligence gathering capabilities? >> exactly where are your people in the north korean government? where are you getting your information from? >> stephanie: somebody made a good point earlier. it is not up to one guy to decide the issues for the country. what if somebody leaked the information about normandy. oh well, i've decided that's not right. >> really? >> snowden's language in his video where he said he had the

authorization to go into the servers and look at anybody he wanted to and tap the phones of whomever he wanted to or read the e-mails of the president ability and authorization are two different things. certainly, the people who work on those servers and work on that machinery should have the ability to do it because that's their job. your i.t. guy has the ability to look at the correspondence in the business but he has to get permission from the boss to go into the server to do it. my problem is all of the independent contractors. this is -- >> stephanie: that's what we talked about before the break. a lot of people are like how did that guy get access to this. if it is only three months he worked there he must have been planning to do this. he got disgruntled on day two. >> this is really insidious that private companies are taking on all of the responsibility. they have no accountability. >> they don't swear an oath like soldiers or people in the intelligence community do. >> it is like blackwater.

>> exactly. i don't have as much of a problem with people who have taken an oath to protect the country against enemies foreign and domestic, being able to access e-mails and that information to try and stop a terrorist act if they're what they're intended to do. versus some subcontractor who houses their business office in the cayman islands. >> stephanie: this is what we bitched about during the iraq war is what blackwater was doing in our names. >> what's the difference? i think this should actually -- part of this conversation would be that not only should the technology that we're using be built in the united states, just for like safety's sake. >> stephanie: just for [ bleep ] and giggles. let's get pam in before the break. >> caller: hi, stephanie. god, the hypocrisy is just amazing. and all i want to say is congress passes -- congress makes the laws.

obama passes the laws and if ron wyden wanted to filibuster this, if he felt so strongly with him being on the intelligence, he could have filibustered. i feel fine with it. i really don't care. >> i think that's interesting because there's a lot of that feeling out there. this kind of shrug -- >> stephanie: look at the polls. >> the expectation of privacy. >> stephanie: we gotta take a break. much more on this. we've barely wound up the hal bot. 18 minutes after the hour. >> i'm only getting started. >> oh, my god, this is so amazing! it's all anybody in my class is talking about. >> announcer: it's "the stephanie miller show." >> everyone in michael jackson's life was out to use him. (vo) no one brings you more documentaries that are real, gripping, current. >> nine. >> this is what 27 tons of marijuana looks like. documentaries that take you inside the headlines, way inside.

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♪ baddest girl ♪ ♪ in the whole damn town ♪ ♪ badder than ole king kong, meaner than a junkyard dog ♪ >> stephanie: yep. it is "the stephanie miller show." welcome to it. 23 minutes after the hour. 1-800-steph-12 the phone number toll free from anywhere. cindy in new york with some thoughts on my hate letter. hi cindy. >> caller: yes, you just read the letter from the true liberal. >> stephanie: right. >> caller: g.o.p.s in the middle of all of these scandals whether it be the benghazi -- whichever one you want to throw up there. it always goes back to a g.o.p. operative somewhere in there. and they've been throwing things out there like spaghetti on the refrigerator, trying to get one to stick and this true liberal has fallen for it. they're just trying -- the g.o.p. is trying to rip apart the democrats. the solidarity of the liberal base. and it is succeeding. they finally bit.

they're going to rip off. >> stephanie: i heard that conspiracy snausage somewhere. the carlyle group is the biggest stake holder in booz allen. it is a plot to dispirit obama's base for 2014. >> caller: the tea party ripped apart the g.o.p. >> the only problem with that is all of the congresspeople, anybody who, you know, theirs is much -- there's as much freak out on the libertarian right as there is on the far left mainly because it is extreme versions of any political thought will always -- whether it is true or not, feel targeted first. the big fear from, you know, if your alex jones and glenn beck or if you're dennis kucinich or whatever, all we have to think -- there's plenty of examples of that happening. look at all of the liberal groups anti-war during the bush administration, fighting the iraq war being infiltrated and you know, have fbi agents and the like showing up going i'm gary. why do you have an earpiece,

gary? that's are great brownies, what's in them? that kind of thing, it was an issue. so when this stuff comes up, that's the first people to get really freaked about it because they have this idea that they're important enough and it is fema camp time for whoever side you're on. >> stephanie: we can all still agree that rand paul is. martin in virginia, you're on "the stephanie miller show." hi martin. >> caller: hi, stephanie. i want to say thank you. i'm glad to be on your show. and are you a true patriot. [ ding ding ] >> caller: i want to make a comment about the whole snowden whistle-blower thing not to sound like a recovered catholic/now buddhist but once you blow the whistle you blow the whistle. you can't suck back into the whistle and undo what you did. i think everybody needs to focus on who hired this guy and the

company that hired this guy needs to lose their damn contract. >> stephanie: well, that's a good point. the whole thing -- hal, we were saying that. there's something off about it. was he planning to do this? how do you get that clearance? how do you only work there three months then this happens? >> the corporate ization of our defense is a very scary effect on all fronts because again an oath is not perfect. obviously, only look to the fort hood shooting to know just because somebody takes an oath to protect the country doesn't mean they're always going to act in the right interest. that's a baseline honor you should have when you're dealing with sensitive things because i feel much more comfortable if there is a need for the gathering of this kind of stuff temporarily, as it is. >> but if your oath is to a corporation for profits -- >> hal: or the next one that will hire you or the next one after that or somebody else -- talk about clandestine corporations that deal with clandestine information

poaching employees from each other going hey while you're in there -- to some degree, as much as it might be that the carlyle group owns booz allen and that part of their -- hamstring the obama administration, it could be that another company at the time was just poking into those things and he is just kind of one example. my issue with it is that farming out part. i trust soldiers and people in office more so than i do a regular, corporate employee who has been handed these things. it kind of signs a waiver like he would a nondisclosure agreement when he's working on an xbox game. >> stephanie: you have some 20-year-old somebody that decides it is up to him. it is not up to the president's congress. it is up to him. >> again, i think it is important to have whistle-blower protection. it is incredibly important that when somebody knows that a crime is being committed specifically, and they can't through the chain of command they know that it won't -- >> stephanie: where is the crime here, hal?

this is the patriot act. this is what we, through our representatives agreed to whether it is right or wrong and we need more oversight, we need to look at it. what did he blow the whistle on? >> the attention is terrific. we need to repeal the patriot act and put in place more comprehensive and intelligence gathering and security measures. >> now that we've had ten years to think about it. >> exactly. >> we're not doing it under duress and panic. the idea that sensenbrenner and other people who wrote it and then other senators who voted for it at the time are somehow clutching their pearls and shocked in front of the committees going we need answers is absurd. because, again -- >> stephanie: some republicans have said that. we need to rethink this in the panic that was after 9-11. we need to -- michael in new york. you're on "the stephanie miller show." hello, michael. >> caller: hey there, sexy liberal, mama. >> stephanie: hello. >> you're talking to hal by the way. >> caller: don't make me laugh. it is two things coming down to

this. number one as i'm sure you have to remind everyone, this is the crap started by bush and company at the time of bush and cheney, i don't think everyone was being -- i think that the g.o.p.s, the same knicks the heads that -- the same knuckleheads who kept saying you have to sacrifice your rights for the safety of this nation. now they're bitching and moaning that obama is in office. you reap what you sow. it comes down to their idea of less government, less government. think about it my dear friends. their idea of less government is no accountability and full immunity. >> stephanie: yep. good points. 29 minutes after the hour. hump days with hal on "the stephanie miller show."

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not -- >> stephanie: is that what she does for a living? >> taking a class ond doing one of those -- >> no. there was footage of her pole dancing in an establishment. >> but again, there is a place where the pole dancing classes perform. >> however, how did a guy like that get a girl like that? >> you're kidding right? >> no. >> first of all he looks like -- >> he looks like an itt tech -- >> he looks like an indie guitar player in like maroon five. he has chin scruff. it doesn't look be like he's revenge of the nerds escapee at all. secondly, he makes $200 and a quarter a year. >> only $122,000. ♪ you're a lying sack of crap ♪ >> sew makes $122,000 a year. >> nothing to sneeze at. >> stephanie: buzz aldrin said he hates pain.

>> hal: this is what happens when i show up late? >> yes. the water they were using had bubbles in it. >> stephanie: the takier kind of tang. >> hal: i think there is aud overone of them saying i have to crap in my suit because of the darn oranges. a little less fiber. >> they have low bulk food. >> stephanie: one would hope. immigration reform bill has passed its first test on the senate floor. >> obama: i know there's a lot of talk about border security so let me repeat. today, illegal crossings are near their loews level in decades. and if passed, the senate bill as currently written and on the floor would put in place the toughest border enforcement plan that america has ever seen. >> stephanie: only republicans, by the way voted to block the bill from moving forward. there she is. the pole dancer.

>> the woman has a name. she's fully clothed. this is nonsense. >> she goes by l on her blog. >> stephanie: if you're not serious about immigration reform, if you think a broken system is the best america can do, it might make sense to block it. if you're sincere about fixing a broken immigration system, this is the vehicle to do it. we knew this was going to happen. there is never going to be enough border security. >> no. >> stephanie: herman cane in to maybe talk about the electrified fence -- >> force fields. >> stephanie: sharks with laser beams. >> here is another aspect of how republicans govern. not only do they want to reinforce the border with all of the extra stuff they want to know about it. they want to explain it. they want to have -- so they can pat themselves on the back in front of their constituency and say we've got infrared censors track they'res run from 7:30 to 2:30 every night to make sure nobody crosses the border. we've got something that can seek anybody in a white t-shirt.

tell everyone who wants to sneak across the border, how you're doing border security. this is how tall the wall is. >> stephanie: senator mitch mcconnell yesterday. >> senator cornyn has the key amendment to put us in a position where we can actually look at the american people with a straight face and say we are going to secure the border. >> okay. straight face? never mind. >> trap them all in the terrarium. >> stephanie: he and his relatives would never make it across the board. they move too slow. [ ♪ circus ♪ ] >> stephanie: you'll never catch me. >> you'll never catch me, copper! [ laughter ] >> i'm hot today. here we go. >> stephanie: jeff sessions briefly making cookies in his tree. >> i was in the gang of eight. i know they want to do the right thing and have worked hard. but they got off on the wrong track. >> stephanie: mm-hmm. >> made fun of my heirs. >> they wanted to make life

easier and get the people who have been here and live here, start paying taxes and become above the line members of the american community instead of below the line members of the american community. they focus far too much on that and not putting heat-seeking missiles on the mexican border so that from a certain stretch from a part of california to part of arizona or part of texas, what are you going to do? get boats to cover the outside of it? where is that zero immigration? >> stephanie: marco. >> rubio. >> i refuse to accept the idea that the most powerful country on earth, the nation that put a man on the moon is incapable of securing its own border. our sovereignty is at stake in terms of border security. >> okay. >> get me a bottle of water that i can actually reach when i'm on the darn television. >> hal: the use of power is not the highest level of a free country. and the creation of a nonporous

completely nonporous border means the elimination of our rights as human beings to some degree. like the ability that you would put guys are guns up there and shoot anybody who comes too close to the border which is what it would take. to finalize and lock the border, creates -- turns us into east germany. turns us into a different country. >> stephanie: ed snowden says we're east germany now. >> it is not about power. you have to have the strength to use your power well. that's what we're arguing about nsa and iraq and -- >> stephanie: all right. and cease. senator kelly ayotte, the only republican that will vote for this as it turns out. fresh from doing the wrong thing on gun control. >> this is a thoughtful, bipartisan solution to a tough problem and so that's why i'm going to support it. >> wow. >> she's going to support it because she's seen the numbers. >> stephanie: exactly. >> because i want to be re-elected. >> stephanie: meeting with my pollsters, i discovered what the right thing to do is -- [ ♪ magic wand ♪ ] >> complete change of heart.

>> stephanie: by the way marcos was saying there was a very good chance because of the hispanic vote, texas will go blue in 2016. [ ♪ nah nah nah nah nah ♪ ] karl rove, his head will not only explode on fox news, he bitch slap megan kelly into the next election cycle. they will have to send police to pull karl rove off megan kelly. >> the look in her eyes when she's had to interview these numskulls trying to defend lou dobbs and erick erickson. oh, my god. >> stephanie: john in chicago you're on with hal. hi john. >> caller: hi, i want to make sure i'm understanding the whole deal with the snowden guy. he may or may not look like a guy on maroon five. he's making $122,000, a super hot girlfriend who is a pole dancer in hawaii. and he runs away from it? i cannot imagine how terrible, what the government must be doing is. it terrifies me that a guy would

run away from all of that tells me -- >> hal: that's the funny thing. what's ended up leaking was the mechanics of an organization that congress already knows about. and whether the american public knows it or not let's be completely honest for a second. like i think we need to rethink the patriot act. it needs to be gutted and rebuilt. no question whatsoever. the idea behind a lot of these programs needs to go. and with them, these programs. but the idea that you would somehow get extra points for just kind of releasing information, it wasn't that the nsa -- he found out the nsa was gathering stuff, sitting on it and going through people's voting records and starting to categorize them or that there was ever any intention of doing so or any of that stuff. he didn't actually find that. he found the server. which he worked on, as a private contractor. >> stephanie: yeah. we're burying a big lead. jeanie is going to see hal this

weekend. hello, jeanie. >> caller: oh, hi, hal! listen i drive by that beautiful face of yours twice a day! i'm so excited! >> hal: a lot of people think so. >> caller: listen, this is my husband's father's day present. isn't that nice of me? but i do need to officially welcome you to this republican bastian so my daughter and my husband and i have to be front row and center. we just have to make sure you're as welcome as can be. i can't wait! >> stephanie: where will hal be performing? >> at the improv this weekend. thursday friday, saturday. >> stephanie: spoon him behind the orange curtain for me, won't you? >> caller: steph, i did something pretty good, too for the sexy liberal in l.a. >> stephanie: what did you do? >> caller: i dragged my husband for our 42nd wedding

anniversary. >> stephanie: good girl! >> hal: it is amazing. we center around her holidays. nice of us to perform only when there seems to be some sort of family gathering or personal holiday. >> stephanie: exactly. happy to do it. 46 minutes after the hour. back with the remaining moments of hump days with hal on "the stephanie miller show." >> it's fun for ables 8 to 80. join us. >> announcer: it's "the stephanie miller show." >> jack, how old are you? >> nine. >> this is what 27 tons of marijuana looks like. (vo) with award winning documentaries that take you inside the headlines, way inside. (vo) from the underworld, to the world of privilege. >> everyone in michael jackson's life was out to use him. (vo) no one brings you more documentaries that are real, gripping, current.

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we had record sales. >> these are workers who have no rights. >> we work all day, every day and night. >> walmart can correct the violations. the walmart model works. you know who is coming on to me now? you know the kind of guys that do reverse mortgage commercials? those types are coming on to me all the time now. (vo) she gets the comedians laughing and the thinkers thinking.

>>ok, so there's wiggle room in the ten commandments, that's what you're saying. you would rather deal with ahmadinejad than me. >>absolutely. >> and so would mitt romney. (vo) she's joy behar. >>and the best part is that current will let me say anything. what the hell were they thinking?

>>♪ >> hal: very disco. >> it's making a comback. >> stephanie: hump days with hal sparks. hal sparks will be filling in for us the week after. we will be on vacation. a new poll out. jim nearly 60%. 6-10. californians are now in favor of legalizing same-sex marriage. big news out of poll, hal is it is across the board. religious, ethnicity age. >> marcus bachmann. >> stephanie: speaking of polling enthusiasts. >> oh, really? >> hal: it is interesting that four and ten group the reasoning behind it is a very

porous argument. and that's why it is slipping and shifting so quickly over time is that when really confronted with it, it's very easy -- most people draw a religious line and stop there. or an ick factor. >> stephanie: generationally over and over. 76% of voters 18 to 29 support legalizing gay marriage. the shift among voters 65 and older are evenly divided. 47% against. compared with three years ago when seniors oppose gay marriage by almost 20 points. that's actually huge. there has been an across the board change on this issue. here's something i had forgotten. as in the rest of the country more women 63% than men 52 in california favor same-sex marriage. and nick fund, he is quoted in the story. 44. a maintenance worker in fresno, this sums up why. attributed his consistent

opposition to his pentecostal christian beliefs. i don't believe it is right for a man and man to be together. like bill maher says, he doesn't say anything about the girls. we don't mean the girls. he said it is not that i don't like them personally. i just don't like that particular thing. >> stephanie: how about that nick. how about you don't do that particular thing then? >> the knowledge somebody is doing it creeps him out. makes him feel like his rights have been regulated. >> what if one of their arms touched mine? what if music started playing? ♪ ain't no as soon as possibling possibling -- ain't no stopping us now ♪ >> stephanie: knowing someone who is gay matters. i had a friend who said i don't think anyone in my family knows anyone gay. i said i'm sure they do. >> hal: that means you have a gay member of your family. if you don't have any gay

friends, someone in your family is gay because they're the run running off the gays so they don't get found out or don't act -- start acting on their feelings. >> stephanie: like james inhofe showing there's nothing icky in his genetic line ever. nothing like divorce or homosexuality. >> that's just inviting an investigation. >> stephanie: if you shake that inhofe family tree, some pink fruit is going to fall down. [ ding ding ] >> most fabulous way possible. >> hal: maybe he will plant his own new tree. >> stephanie: marry a man. homemaker said basically we're all human beings and we all need to be treated as such. i want to gay marry her. she considers same sex a marriage. thank you. >> hal: it's becoming such an old argument against you know, it is interesting the ones who -- the big freedom lovers, you know, that literally ron

paul is against gay marriage. and that's the one area where his libertarian feelings apparently stop. in their tracks. which means you're phony. you're just a corporate libertarian. you believe in giving companies any rights they would seek or want. but when it comes to individuals, you have your own personal moral limits that you want to legally impose on other people simply because they differ from yours. >> that's freedom. >> stephanie: by the way -- >> hal: actually, it is phony. >> stephanie: this makes me personally sad. jane lynch and her wife are divorcing. they've been married three years. and you know but again i mean i think it goes to show you that guess what, relationships are hard. we deserve a right to screw things up as much as straight people is my point. i'm quite certain i would. >> first gay divorces means that gay marriage is working out just like straight americans. track record will probably be

slightly better on the gay side for a time simply because it is harder to get and therefore will be taken slightly more seriously. but then at the same time, it might be that we can late try it. >> stephanie: i wanted to send a love letter to prince harry. prince harry is a hero to one of his fellow troopers who said he saved him from a homophobic attack. the book out in the army, james warton recalls an incident in which harry stood up for him who was bullied for being gay. warton was harry's gunner and he turned to harry for help after six soldiers threatened to batter him. i told him i think i'm going to be murdered. i climbed in the turret. harry had a complete look of bewilderment on my face. he said right, i'm going to sort this [ bleep ] off once and for all. >> and he can. >> stephanie: he watched as the royal confronted the group warning them they would face severe discipline. he reported the threats to his senior officer.

the prince returned to tell him it had been sorted. it has been sorted. >> you will live to regret it. >> that's cool. >> ferocious attack you have ever experienced. >> stephanie: your ankle shall be no more. >> corgis, attack! [chomping sounds] >> get them! >> stephanie: corgis, gayest dogs ever, just saying. speaking of pets, jim, you found a new cat. that you love. >> someone sent me the angry german cat. >> why is it angry? >> because he's eating a watermelon. it is my watermelon.

>> good the germans are finally catching up with memes now. isn't that adorable? who knew. they can ride on the back of other funny pretty well. >> they can ride a meme. >> stephanie: someone fed angry german kitties watermelon. oh no. >> stephanie: the rind or the rhine. halsparks.com at the improv this weekend. we love you every week. >> we really do. >> hal: love you right back. i'm tule -- i'm actually in connecticut next weekend. >> stephanie: we'll see you tomorrow on "the stephanie miller show."

i'm jacki schechner. it is noon eastern and here's

what's current. president obama has landed in boston where this afternoon he will headline an event for representative ed markey who is running for senate. markey is up against republican gabriel gomez a political newcomer as the two i vie for secretary of state john kerry's former senate seat. prior to the rally the president will attend a smaller meet and greet fund-raiser on markey's behalf. a suffolk university poll shows the president's popularity in massachusetts at 60% and markey up above gomez by 7 points. but at a fund-raiser for markey in d.c. last night, vice president biden minced no words in expressing no-no one should take for granted the democrats will