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i can move on, move on with my life. >> michael: coming up here a victory for voting rights, courtesy of a 7-2 supreme court decision. for you young-ens in the audience, no the supreme court does haven't to vote 5-4 all the time, though you are forgiven for assuming that. i'm michael shure. you are in "the war room." [♪ theme music ♪] >> michael: first up today's big news out of washington. the supreme court struck down an arizona law that requires voters to show, quote, documentary proof of citizenship. the decision written by justice
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antonin scalia read this way . . . the decision broke down in a rare 7-2 split with justices clarence thomas and samuel alito the only decenters. it upheld the national voter's right statute. it allows citizens to register to vote simply by checking a box saying they are u.s. citizens when getting a driver's license. the people of arizona passed the bill into law kicking off a round of laws around the country intended to limit access to the polls, which is what makes today's ruling so very
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important. the arizona law was used as model legislation by the american legislative exchange council or alex who then pedalled it to other states. as of today these laws have essentially been ruled unconstitutional. more than a dozen states have pending legislation to restrict rights in many different ways, including moving up registration for voters the deadlines for that eliminating election-day registration and limiting early voting. we'll see what impact today's ruling has on those efforts. joining us tonight is one of the plaintiffs arizona state senator steve gallardo. welcome into "the war room." >> thank you. thank you for having me. >> michael: what a day for you, senator. what does this decision mean for the people of arizona? >> it's a huge victory but not only a victory for the people of
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arizona, it's a victory for people across the united states. the fact is that many states including arizona are passing voter id-type provisions and today the supreme court today that when it comes to registering a vote particularly when using a federal form, you cannot apply additional burns or on -- obstacles in front of those voters. and it's a big victory for everyone when it comes to exer vising our right to vote. >> michael: this is a really really important issue, as we saw in 2012 so it's a really exciting day for the country. the "new york times" reported some disturbing numbers about prop 200. over that same period arizona rejeblthed 31,550 voter
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registrations. these kinds of laws clearly target immigrants and minority groups. how do they tie into the ongoing immigration debate we're experiencing in the country right now. >> prop 200 was based on fear, fear that undocumented that reside currently in our country are voting. it couldn't be further from the truth. has been no proof of massive voter fraud. many of the folks that attempted to register to vote the 31,000-plus u.s. citizens who attempted to vote have been rejected, denied the right to vote. that's unfortunate, but today's ruling makes it clear that these 31,000 will not be denied the right to vote under federal law. there is a reason why congress passed the national voter's
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registration act. it is to ensure that people were not denied particularly those that were low income and minority voters. it is a big victory for arizona and hopefully we can move forward away from these types of tactics that have been used to suppress voters from exercising their right to vote. >> michael: you are a state center, we have talked about arizona a lot in this conversation, but we also hear the word federal. tell me what effect will this ruling have on some of the other states around the country. >> in 2004, arizona look the lead when it comes to voter indication, and many states are copying similar laws that arizona has passed. congress has a voter registration form that can be used across the country.
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there is a reason why they had a uniform application. it is to ensure that everyone has the right to vote. what the court said today was that new provisions or new voter registration requirements such as prop 200 cannot be applied to this federal form. this federal form was designed to make sure that everyone had the right to vote that there would be no obstacles in front of those who want to vote. nearly 31,000 people who attempted to register here in the state of arizona were denied the right to vote. because the state wanted to apply new restrictions to the federal form. the courts decided that you cannot add new restriction that includes other states who are attempting to have copycat legislation like prop 200. so it's a huge victory for people across the country that
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are looking to have clean and fair elections and be able to encourage and -- and have people participate in our democratic process. it's a huge victory. >> michael: senator you are a democrat fighting for fair voting rights in a state that has been openly hostile to immigrant recently. what sort of efforts will you take moving forward to ensure access to the polls. >> we will continue to fight any legislation introduced in the state of arizona that is aimed to hinder people's right to vote. many of the pieces of legislation have been introduced under the flagship of protecting voter rights. it's really intent to suppress hispanics and -- and minorities across the state of arizona.
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we're going to continue to fight against these pieces of legislation, we're going to continue to make sure that everyone regardless of race and their economic status has the right to vote because many of the pieces of legislation like i said hurts mostly poor people and minorities. >> michael: and you are fighting against it, and you are fighting against it on behalf of a lot of hispanics in arizona as well but there is a history to this issue among black americans. the court is expected to issue a ruling next on shelby county alabama versus holder who challenges the provision that requires federal oversight over state and local voting rights in states that have a history of issues. do see an alliance between blacks in america historically have broken down the barriers to the voting box, and the hispanic
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americans that are fighting in arizona and had a victory in the court today? do you see a cohesion between these two groups now? >> oh definitely. not only hitspanic and african-americans, but also our native american brothers and sisters. they are affected by these attempts to suppress the vote like prop 200. arizona is a voting right state, we have to have preclearance when there is voter type legislation being introduced so the alabama case definitely impacts the state of arizona, but we have to continue to demonstrate that we are not going to stand for these types of bills that are going to hurt or discriminate against those folks that are poor or minority. we're going to continue to fight
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to make sure we have fair election laws, and cases like the alabama case that will have a definite impact on the state of arizona will not be toll lated. >> michael: thank you on behalf of everybody for fighting this case in the supreme court enjoy your victory, because we certainly will. >> thank you. >> michael: the supreme court still has a busy summer season. it should hand down landmark rulings on three historic issues affirmative action doma, and the defense of marriage act. let's take a closer look at that. first up is on the use of affirmative action in college admissions. the original law was filed on behalf of abigail fisher who claims she was denied admission to the universitied of texas because she is white.
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the university also arghus fisher would not have gotten in on academic merit regardless of her race. next up are two major cases for gay rights. hollingsworth v perry, which took up prop 8. it is unlikely the court will issue a sweeping decision invalidating all same-sex marriage bans. it's more likely the court will deny to review the law which will legal size marriage in california again. and then doma the 1996 law barring the federal government from offering marriage benefits to same-sex couples. if struck down a married couple could receive the full range of benefits afforded to straight cull .s. back in march a majority sounded
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sceptical. if a ruling is announced this week, it will coincide with gay pride week. let's hope the supreme court gives them a reason to celebrate big. coming up will international obama prove more popular than domestic obama? democratic strategist peter fenn will talk to us about that after the break. plus the immigration bill. it's certainly late on arrival, but that's better than dead on arrival, david cay johnson will joining us on that. and a show off, no it all who probably drinks too much vodka metes meets brett ehrlich.
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economies will discuss issues. western lea leaders will likely clash with president putin who has begun arming the syrian government. here is what president obama said after the two heavyweights met for the first time in a year today. >> obama: we do have differing perspectives on problems but we share an interest in reducing the violence ensuring that chemical weapons are neither used or they subject to proliferation, and we want to try to resolve the issue through political means if possible. >> michael: i'm wearing a tie, they are at the g-8 summit they are not just saying.
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it is being reported that the us and uk spied on foreign officials. president obama might have a lot to explain to his foreign counterparts this week. back at home his approval ratings are the lowest in the last year and a half. for the first time in his presidency, half of americans don't see president obama as honest and trust-worthy. here toe talk about the implications of all of this is democratic strategist peter fenn. he joins us from washington. peter how are you? >> i'm doing fine michael. how are you doing? >> great. better to have you with us. the president's approval rating is striking especially among young people. why are the american people so
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dissolutioned. >> i think this nsa surveillance has hurt the president. i think people felt he was going to do things differently than president bush and they don't think he is. the incessant harping on the irs has hurt me. to me that's much adieu about nothing. we have a situation where i think that darrell issa will have egg on his face when this is all over, but right now i think that's hurting the president. so i'm not terribly worried about it, but i do think that it's time for him to get a little tougher on some of these issues, be a little -- little harder on -- on some of these guys, and then bring this back to what it is all about, which is jobs and the economy, and moving the country forward. >> michael: yeah, generally when
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these things happen it's about leadership, and even on the nsa thing, which i think you are right about. the president said it's great because now we get to have a public debate about this. but we haven't had a debate because he hasn't started conversation on it. i would want to know what you would do if you were advising the president right now? >> on the nsa front -- look my hair was -- was not gray when i started out investigating the nsa many years ago, so i have a -- i have a sort of a -- a special perspective on all of that, and i think the president should have been tougher on all of this. i think he should have said to folks, wait a minute, why are we collecting this stuff? why are we cataloging it. look this isn't sources and methods. everybody knows that -- that -- that all of this information is out there and available. the question is what do you do
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with it? what effect is it having? and i think this president needs to step up to the plate. his rhetoric on that now is different than when he was a candidate, but i think he can get it back if he -- if he really does have that national debate. the other thing -- yeah i mean that's -- that's fundamental to me. the other thing i think about this is that you have got republicans who don't deserve to be treated with a heck of a lot of respect here. when you have darrell issa hiding the transcripts from these things selectively leaking what is going on when he has conservative republican folks in cincinnati saying hey, we didn't get orders from washington, but when the public doesn't hear back from the president on this, i think it hurts him. so -- and as for the summit i think michael -- i tell you what
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i think about this. look, we have secret agreements with most of these countries. the united kingdom and united states have had an agreement sharing information on spice back toward to world war ii. those that are concerned are the germans. so i think this president can -- can work that through in this summit, and i wouldn't -- to be honest with you i wouldn't take any crap from putin either. if you look at his body language in that video you showed he is one arrogant sob. i would work with him, but i don't think he needs to take any -- any lip from a guy who is arming the assad regime. >> michael: we were talking
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about we, people spying on the 2009 g-8. i can't imagine that putin himself wasn't already spying on them. >> he kills his spies. >> michael: that's exactly right. totally different ball game. let's talk about syria, though. was it smart for the president to make a decision about syria before going to the g-8 summit and meeting with putin? >> i think probably. because he is going to need to explain to a lot of those folks, see if he can keep putin from doing too much medaling there. but they need a strong nato presence there. if they are going to have a settlement, they are going to have to show unity on the allies, and a certainly degree of seriousness. if there's a red line there's a
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red line. they crossed the red line. this president is very careful, he is very cautious he is very good about getting all of the facts. well, i think we pretty much have gotten the facts and i think we need some unity there. >> michael: that's a good point. let's come back home let's leave northern ireland and talk about some politics. the election of massachusetts tomorrow to fill john kerry's seat. a new poll shows . . . does gomez have a chance in the world, peter? >> i worry about special elections, michael. i'm always concerned about the turnout issue there. i think the democrats aren't going to make the kind of mistake they made last time. and i'm from massachusetts. from everything i hear and see
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up there, they are working real hard at it. they had the president and bill clinton in. this is all about making sure the turnout comes. and they have begun to really define this race. you have a republican's republican in gomez, a guy who is not with help on immigration, he is not with them on the right to choose. he is not with them on guns. and people are saying sure ed markey has been in there a long time, but he has done a heck of a lot. he is a serious guy. a good legislator he is the kind of person that massachusetts is used to sending to the united states senate. >> michael: yeah very different i think from what martha colclough was running against scott brown, and they got schmuck up on there. the congressman from california said today of his speaker, john
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boehner, if john boehner breaks the haster rule he should be -- he should be run out of town. how do the republicans operate this way? when it's a losing strategy nationally? >> look, this is devastating for the republicans. with all we have talked about with the president and his approval rating they are at 10%, the congress. >> michael: exactly. >> and this is precisely why. the public wants something done and, you know, the -- the haster rule has been broken by john boehner four times, michael. like the violence against women act, avoiding the fiscal cliff at the end of this last year. baner is not stupid. he knows that -- his republican
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party may rise and fall on this intransigent group that he has to fight with. >> michael: that's exactly right. peter fenn thank you so much. up next david shuster, current tv correspondent will straighten the numbers out right after this. any chance we'll see this president even say the words "carbon tax"? >> with an open mind... >> has the time finally come for real immigration reform? >> ...and a distinctly satirical point of view. >> but you mentioned "great leadership" so i want to talk about donald rumsfeld. >> (laughter). >> watch the show. >> only on current tv.
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♪ >> michael: the july 4th, deadline for the immigration bill is quickly approaching, senator marco rubio who drafted the legislation has sifted through over 100 amendments to it. and now he seems confident he is getting closer to a compromise. >> obviously i think it's a an excellent starting point, and 95, 96% of the bill is in perfect shape, but there are elements that need improved. >> michael: barack obama said on tuesday he is giving congress space to work out the kinks, but the president insists the bill must include a pathway to citizenship. and the only way to get support is to create stricter border security. we know that compromise is not the gop's strong suit and
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rubio's reputation is now on the line. laura ingraham recently told him on fox news . . . some are starting to label rubio a washington insider who has gone soft on conservatism. >> i recognize there's a division among conservatives about it. i respect other people's views on it. i understand why they are frustrated by it. >> michael: it looks once again like even the mere thought of compromise is dividing the republican party, shock. joining us now from rochester, new york is david shuster, current tv correspondent. david welcome back into "the war room." >> thank you for having me michael. >> michael: we have big issues to talk about with immigration. conservatives seem torn about rubio's approach.
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looking toward the 2016 presidential election, senator lindsey graham said . . . is the republican party admitting, david that they need the latino community and what does that mean for immigration reform? >> well, the republicans have long argued that latinos are inherently conservative. i have never quite understood that argument but it has been around for a long time. and republicans have gone out of their way to express a variety of views that would be generally categorized i think as both racist and classist against latino latinos, hispanics, people who come here across the border seeking opportunity and the right to work. it certainly is red meat to the
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nativist and racist elements. >> michael: yeah and those elements seem to come up. >> yes. >> michael: is there fear within the republican party that they will boycott that comes out. >> i don't know if there will or not. we have seen that the republicans will do anything at all to facilitate the country's problems, unless they think it will turn into a disaster for president obama. and those policies i think are tinged also with racism. but marco rubio certainly sees his prospects on the national level diminished and getting this through the senate of course, is quite different than
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getting it through the house. >> michael: yeah, you talk about what -- you hear this issue, it seems like it is racist always when it comes up. let's go to why -- to a reasonable reason why a reason would be opposed to immigration reform. are there reasonable reasons for that? >> well, there's fundamental economic arguments that are made, and these disputes go around -- they have been around as long as i have been in journalism which goes back to the 60s. one is the assertion that immigrants cost more than they pay in taxes. even the most conservative groups acknowledge that many people are here without a right to work, are paying social security and will never collect. and a study that came out friday from the center for american progress show from the official reports of the social security
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administration and its trustees that even if we have 85% of people who are here illegally, undocumented, who don't have a right to work here given a pathway to citizenship and actually achieve it, there will still be a net. when you get to local government that can be a different issue. but even mitt romney's financial advisor, an absolutely rock solid conservative, even he will tell you that immigration -- without immigration, we will see our economy grow at a slower rate and be worse off overall. in canada, 22% of the population are immigrants and they are doing just fine and they are welcoming immigrants with open
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arms. >> michael: the point is, it still would turn the profit for a country. it's not ridiculously economically foolish. but i think the record speaks for itself and when you hear people like yourself and people who work for mitt romney economists rock solid as you say, saying these things it only confirms that that is the case. since president obama gave immigrants the right to work last year over 350,000 people have gotten temporary status to say here. but earlier today, federal authorities seized 14, 7-elevens, charging them with hiring illegal immigrants. >> 7-eleven is a japanese-owned country, and there were clearly newspapers alerted to have their staff photographers there for the raid.
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so whoever it is -- whether it's someone in the agency or the prosecutor's office, they wanted coverage and publicity about this. clearly seizing these properties -- we haven't done this before. in the iowa beef packing and hog packing cases, they prosecuted people and went after them but they didn't seize their property. now they are seeking forfeiture of their property. that's not a good strategy in the long run, but boy does it get the attention of the business community. >> michael: yeah, this -- >> that's particularly abusive, michael, but the whole operation could be -- in all of these places that are large employers of people who come here principle south of the border
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all you could construct a conspiracy criminally. i respect, and i don't know this, but it seems reasonable to think that this was designed in part to get the business community to wake up. a you could end up with your property being forfeited. really, is it worth that? and when you do that, you pick the most abusive employer you find. and how smart to pick one that is japanese. >> michael: of course. that's a fascinating way to look at these cases. david cay johnson, thank you so much. up next here from miscarriage to murder, a court case in mississippi that could have dire consequences for women's reproductive rights. "mother jones" reporter kate sheppard joining us with that story right here in "the war room" after the break.
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>> michael: welcome back to "the war room." i'm michael shure. any day now the mississippi supreme court will make a decision that could have grave implications for women across the state. the decision involves a woman named nina buckwalter in 2009 she went into labor prematurely and gave birth to a stillborn baby girl. she named her haley jade. methamphetamine was found in the baby's system, and two months later a grand jury indicted buckhalter. the state supreme court case will decide whether her prosecution can go forward. fit does other women could be tried as criminals simply for
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miscarrying. joining us now is kate sheppard reporter for "mother jones" magazine. welcome back to the program. >> thanks for having me. >> michael: there's no specific law on the books that would directly implicate her in this crime. how is this case, then even allowed to go forward, kate? >> you are right. at four different times in mississippi, legislators have thought about whether they should try women in this situation, and the legislator has said no, they don't want to pass a new law that would put women on the hook for murder in this situation. the prosecutor has decided to go after her arguing this was manslaughter and because of other flaws the state she could be tried for this including a separate law that includes an unborn child as a fetus, and another law about what
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constitutes manslaughter, so they are patching together several other laws to try her for manslaughter. >> michael: who would be sort of inspired to advocate for these kind of punishments? >> well, mississippi is one of the most anti-choice states in the country. they have, you know, a number of different laws that are designed to make it impossible to access abortion, but also laws like the one that they are trying to try her under, which further that idea of a fetus as a person without actually writing it into law, and in this case that's an example of that with we're defining an unborn child as a human being. so it's part of this larger anti-abortion agenda that we see in mississippi. >> michael: this is sort of a back doorway into legislating this, from the back room abortions, now we go to the back room way of slating this?
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>> right. mississippi has one abortion clinic, legislators have passed laws repeatedly to try to close it, and done everything they can to try to outlaw abortion in the state. this is another back doorway of defining a fetus as a person in order to meet that need. >> michael: during oral arguments in the case, one of the mississippi justices expressed his concerns. let's take a listen. >> today doctors have suggested that caffeine for example, is something that women should avoid during pregnancy. there's herbal teas that ought to be avoided. unpasturized cheese and luncheon meats, which can have a negative
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impact on the child. exactly what are the boundaries? >> michael: yeah, how do prosecutors plan to determine what the boundaries are? and how difficult is it to determine cause of death in the first place? >> it is very difficult. a lott of medical professionals will say you can't pin point the cause. and that's what the justice is getting at there. are they going to charge women because they didn't follow doctor's order, this opens the door to all kinds of prosecutions that i don't think were adequately considered before they decided to charge ms. buckwalt in this case. >> michael: yes. just a fie weeks ago the medical exam mer who previously said the drug use called the stillbirth
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and called the stillbirth a homicide is now backtracking. what does that mean for the case? >> it will be interesting to see what happens here. it's before the supreme court because they are having this conversation about whether or not she can be tried at all. it would then go back to the trial court if they can decide it can go forward, at that point it would become much more important what the medical examiner says here. we are really waiting on the supreme court decision here. so what the supreme court says is the most important part of this case. >> michael: right. that would impact the theory. the supreme court is dealing with the theory of even trying these cases at all. did you find that this is happening in other states, not just mississippi? >> it is a growing trend we're seeing. the alabama supreme court decided that it was going to uphold charges against two women
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for drug use while they were pregnant as well, and then in other states across the country, we see efforts to use laws designed to punish people for violence against women who are pregnant to actually charge the women themselves. have been hundreds of cases documented where they have gone after laws that were not designed to do that in the first place. >> michael: do you have any sense of what the supreme court is going to do in mississippi? >> it's always hard to predict. watching the oral arguments in april, the justices had a lot of really tough questions, but it's hard to see where they will come down. mississippi is extremely anti-choice state in many ways so i think that will effect the outcome here. and one of the counter intuitive
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effects is that it could cause more abortions, because if you can't guarantee a -- that would increase the chance that you would seek to terminate the pregnancy. so it will be really interesting to watch. >> michael: yeah, i think we're going to get the ruling we want because i'm an optimist but also because it's about a law, and not abortion so much. kate sheppard, reporter for "mother jones" magazine, we thank you for joining us tonight. more to do in tonight's "war room" right after the break. brett ehrlich is coming. so stick around. ♪
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(vo) no one brings you more documentaries that are real, gripping, current. >> michael: legend has it that putin was once contracted to kill a man over two bottles of vodka, and a muffler. how is it going? >> it's going well me-shell if that's even your name. >> michael: apparently you have breaking news and vladimir putin. >> yes. one nfl owner had to mess things up for everyone. he said he met with putin and
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gave him as a gift his super bowl ring. now while being honored at carnegie hall, he said . . . 23rz [ laughter ] >> basically calling vladimir putin a thief. >> michael: so at this point putin still has the ring? >> the ring is on display in a library in moscow, so that it's still in his possession and it feels like a jrr tollking novel, except the dark king has the ring in his palace.
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>> and all that tom craft has is tim tebow. >> yeah. >> michael: so how did putin react? >> his team gave an amazing response. his spokesperson said -- and i want to do it in a russian accent, all of that talk about some kind of pressure that was exerted on him, krift should be a subject of a detailed talk with psycho analyst, i think. the president will be ready to send him another ring as a gift which putin can buy with his own money. this is a $25,000 diamond-encrusted ring, so putin is rolling in it. >> michael: and president bush was the one to say just make sure you say it was a gift. >> absolutely. and the thing that he said i can kill someone with this ring is
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not that impressive. the list he can kill people for is much longer than the list of what he couldn't kill people with. >> michael: how about miss usa? >> yes. the title of miss usa, went to miss -- that's not important. the important story went to miss utah, marissa powell who was asked a question about equal pay for equal work, and here is her answer in the q&a section. >> i think we can relate this back to education, and how we are continuing to try to strive to figure out how to create jobs right now. that is the biggest problem, and i think especially the men are seen as the leaders of this and
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so we need to try to figure out how to create education better so that we can solve this problem. thank you. >> michael: well, that was brilliant, man. that was brilliant. thank you, brett as always. thank you also for not telling me who won. i tivoed it so i don't want to spoil it. thank you all for joining us here in "the war room." have a great night. >> "viewpoint" digs deep into the issues of the day. >> do you think that there is any chance we'll see this president even say the words "carbon tax"? >> with an open mind... >> has the time finally come for real immigration reform? >> ...and a distinctly satirical point of view. >> but you mentioned "great leadership" so i want to talk about donald rumsfeld. >> (laughter). >> watch the show. >> only on current tv.
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