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make a crazy comment about rape kit because she brought along with hero offensive statement kit. this is "viewpoint." [ ♪ theme music ♪ ] >> john: ben and jerry's likes our theme oh song. i'm john fugelsang and this is "viewpoint." democracy in america is on the march. you thought we had democracy in america already? in a country where affirmative right to vote is not established in the constitution, but the right to make unlimited campaign contributions is, the ever-rising cost of elections seems to be driving the average voter to the margins while corporate power has its way. which might explain why half of the adults asked said they would vote in favor of government-funded federal campaigns, and nearly 80% said they would vote to limit the

amount of funds that congressional candidates would raise and spend. when 57% of adults told gallop that government financing was unacceptable, what has changed then? you could begin with the citizens united decision that ended restrictions for corporate cash for candidates. and then somewhere between $6 billion and $10 billion was spent on everything from local referendums to a presidential race with a deeply unpopular republican buying his nomination through his party. much of those donations were not disclosed. according to the sunlight foundation 38% of all disclosed donations in the last election cycle, $7,168,000,000,000 came

under 3400 people. the median of donation was $26,584, more than real income median that americans report. so who is buying your elections and what can we do about it? i'm joined by john nichols coauthor of "dollarocavy. mr. nichols, thank you for joining us. what's the difference between democracy and what you define as dollarcracy. >> you sunned it up pretty well. in democracy votes matter most.

in dollarcracy money matters most. we're trending rapidly toward it, what i mean is we're coming into a period as a country that is very, very different than what we've known in the last century. this period is increasingly defined by money. it isn't just campaign contributions, dark money, light money, whatever you want to call it. it is the fact that the money power never really loses. it may enter into an election cycle and not prevail as sheldon adelson, for example did not prevail in electing mitt romney in 2012, but it simply reconstitutes and comes back always defining the parameters of debate. what it means john, is we now have zombie ideas ideas that the voters have rejected ideas that the people say they absolutely don't want that keep

getting reintroduced. i'll give you an example chained cpi. >> john: you're exactly right. what inspired me so much talking about this is one of the few areas where our progressive friends and conservative friends can be united in disgust of the system. i love the phrase in your title. the money and media election complex. can you unpack that phrase for us? >> yes, it's not hard to unpack for most folks. once you start to think about it it makes sense. historically in this country when you had an election campaign we had a traditional media, which many people didn't like, and many people had objections to from the left and the right but it served as an biter for candidates. you had daily newspapers, which covered all the races. you had radio stations with a lot of local news, you had tv stations with a lot of local

news. the pattern of the last decade has been massive layoffs of reporters on neighbors massive cut backs on radio stations and news coverage away from news and towards a lot of weather. what we end up with is a situation where the news media whether it be broadcast, print or digital is less of a factor in defining the parameters of a campaign and calling out and questioning candidates. we have contests for important offices that are barely covered by the media but are flooded with ads. you end up with that dollarcracy moment because the media is standing down and making a lot of money on the ads, the void is filled by the money power. and we end up in a situation where in the united states our campaigns are flooded with ads which in some countries

countries like norway, would never be allowed to be shown on tv because in norway they say a lot of ads we have on tv look a lot like propaganda. >> john: well, exactly. although there are those who would say that this country was founded by an aristocracy who thought only they should have a right to vote, and in a way none of this is new. the united citizens is often blamed for the rising tide of money in politics, but you claim in your book that it did not start with citizens united. am i right that this began in collegecolonial days. >> we cake our cue from master martin luther king jr. we're in a constant battle, and

you have the money power which keeps reconstituting, coming back and looking for ways to dominate, and then you have the democracy power. the problem today the money power has been on a winning streak for quite awhile, and we need to reassert democracy goals. we need to be talking about constitution amendments and equalize the situation. we've never been a full democracy. we are not a perfect democracy we never be, but as we trend down democracy, that right to vote is under all the. it's not just under assault from voter suppression or voting i.d. when you have the money power to define so much of our electoral process you end up with a situation where an awful a lot of people who ask, why bother.

you cited a a lot of polls we cite another one, the majority of americans think their respective in congress would sell them out for for a campaign contribution. >> john: i don't know why you hate jobs in the free market, john nichols joining us now with more on money in politics is ben and jerry's co-founder political pitchist you're ben cohen. welcome to "viewpoint." it's great to have you. you and co-founder jerry i'm shocked that you even have last names, you're trying to raise awareness on your own through the capitalist side of the equation of how big money dominates our campaigns with stamp money out of politics. >> it's clear if you look at most any problem we're facing, the environment energy policy, national budget priorities, huge

amounts of money going to the pentagon at the expense of education, housing and healthcare, what is happening the politicians are bought by the corporations and the wealthiest .01%. >> that's you. why aren't you buying them and not complaining? why are you standing up for the 99%? >> well, you know, i don't buy this idea that people are only supposed to care about themselves. >> john: what kind of capitalist are you sir? >> i think there are lots of people in the country that care about people in general. >> john: i think you're right. >> i'm one of them. >> john: well, you and jerry have said in an op-ed that our government is where the wealthy rule. i argue that that's been the case since slavery was forced on the states that didn't want it

back in the beginning of the republic. how can a grassroots campaign like the one you're waging go up against a couple of centuries of what has arguably been consistent a aritocatic rule. >> many are opposed to it. they realize the problem. they want money out of politics. the stampede gives them something that they can do. you just kind of make your voice heard by stamping money. >> john: beautiful. >> you know, when those politicians do something that drives you up a wall, you know, you kind of get it out. by stamping money. >> john: i already got mine. i'm going to be defacing currency all night. it's brilliant. but here is my question. you are a well-known progressive

activist, it's fair to say. how important to your cause here is conservative support? >> it's incredibly important. you know, the interesting thing is that in terms of the rank and file there is a tremendous amount of conservatives support. what's lacking is support from republican politicians. although, i think the first republican member has now signed on to a constitutional amendment amendment. >> john: brilliant. >> there is a whole bunch of former republicans, office holders, who have come out in favor of getting money out of politics. >> john: they can kiss their lobbyist jobs goodbye. it's astonishing how capitalism can be used in a moral way like this. we'll talk more about that in the show. you say that your goals are a constitutional amendment overturning citizens united, and claiming that money is not

speech and corporations are not people. given the forces that are lined up in achieving that goal, how can regular folks hope to make a difference when we've just seen a limp fraccid background check gun law has been voted out of the senate. >> it's the technique. the technique of making your voice heard. monetary jiu-jitsu using money to get money out of politics. the beauty of it is it's not like you write a letter one day or you sign a petition one day when you stamp a dollar bill and put it into circulation 875,000 people see it as its passed around. as we stamp more and more money it stays out there, it's cumulative. you know, when you get five bills a day that are stamped the stampede will have succeeded. the amendment will be passed.

>> john: i love it. i love that you've made activism fun. i want to bring john nichols back in. do you think stamping money could have an impact? >> i totally do. to give you an idea of what a big deal ben cohen is, i told my nine-year-old guy daughter that i was going on air with ben cohen she said tell him i like his ice cream. the important thing about what ben is doing he's putting a marketing overlay on something that is already happening. the most uncovered political movement in america is the drive to overturn citizens united. 15 states have already voted to tell congress to do it. more than close to 500, i would say roughly 500 communities

including some of the biggest cities in the country have voted in city councils or in referendums to tell congress to overturn citizens united. millions of americans are already on board for this. what we need to do is kick start it beyond the activist community into the full mainstream of america, and if stamping dollar bills does t i'm on board. the only thing i don't want to stop just with that citizens united amendment. i want an amendment to guarantee the right to vote to every american as well. >> john: i love it. ben, let me give you the last word on this. here we hear a journalist author, and you're a venture capitalist. let's say these efforts don't work what's next? >> we may as well toss our keys to democracy to our corporations and tell them to take over. >> you're giving up. >> we got to take a stand. just before we leave i want to demonstrate the latest

innovation. this is the pocket stamp. >> john: it's like a flash drive. >> let's see if we can get it on the blue background. >> john: what does that say? >> this one says stamp money out of politics. >> john: such a thrill to have you, have you both, john nichols, correspondent for the nation and ben and jerry's cofounder activist ben cohen. a pleasure to have you here. >> good to be here, thank you john. >> thank you. one quick correction. earlier in the program i said nearly 1.7. billion dollars was donateed to 2012 campaign by just under 3400 people. that was wrong. the correct number was just under 32,000 people. i feel so much better now. up next, we'll have all the juicy dish and gossip on the wild network nations. wild and crazy weekend.

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only on current tv! >> john: welcome back. the net roots nation conference just wrapped up its latest meeting, it's 13th, and offer further proof that the left is full of very deeply independent thinkers. check out the the statement that edward snowden leaks from legal. >> in terms of those documents. [ booing ] >> john: the net roots nation will not be joining the house minority leader for the sake of towing a party line. let's get a take of the man who inspired the whole conference, markos moulitsas and my, markos what net roots you have, getting bigger every year. from berkeley. >> it's a pleasure.

>> john: what did you think of nancy pelosi's comments and the reaction. >> i want to give her credit. from there she did pivot and talked about the importance of reining in this national security state that gives power that has been around, and the whole situation is absurd. the fact that the leaks were legal, how can that be controversial, they were illegal. it is a breach of the law, but to say that they were legal that shouldn't be controversial. but there is a problem with the national security state. i'm not going to say that pelosi is on board reining it in, but she has'ed that it is a problem. >> john: what i like about most progressives they're the one who is are capable of walking

and chewing gum at the same time. howard dean said that americans were willing to give up some privacy for safety, but the president needed to ask our permission. now that we know that this president has expanded on main president bush policies, what are the next actions to take? speaking out? >> we have a real problem on this issue because it really does not poll very strongly with the american people. people are sort of okay with giving up a little bit of their privacy. what howard dean said it's not controversial. it's what the polls have been telling us. i think the first step is there has to be an education effort to tell people that maybe this isn't acceptable. now, i got to say that as a latino this story amuses me. first, this is happening. this is not a big surprise for those who have been paying attention. second of all privacy has become a big issue.

with white people, people--african-americans have been stopped and frisked for years. and let's not even talk about muslim americans what they've been dealing with. i hope this is a realization that you know what, you feel violated because the government is tracking who you're calling while people are suffering worse abuse to privacy let's rein this government in before it grows or becomes overbearing over time. >> john: we knew that this would be a hotbed of this issue. you must be proud of how net roots has grown since it first began in 2006. >> when we first started in 2006 there was a desire from my corner of the political world to sort of be seen, heard and taken seriously. we were a force to be considered. we don't have those problems any more. we're very well a fixture in

our political landscape. there is not a campaign that doesn't have somebody focused on online activists there isn't an organization incumbent political party they're all engaged online. what's beautiful it's the democracy that is allowing all of us who have acceptable thoughtaccess to acomputer or telephone we're seeing a maturing of the movement while seven years ago we were focused on hey look at us. we exist and we matter. now if you go to net roots nation it's the nuts and bottles of how you translate this activism online to tangible chain. it's maturing and we know we can do it, now it's finding the best way to make that happen. >> john: progressives that you know aren't just upset with howard dean and nancy pelosi, they're mad with the press this

weekend. >> to the extent that you have aided and abetted snowden even in his current movements why shouldn't you mr. greenwald, be charged with a crime. >> i think it's extraordinary anyone who would call themselves a journalist would publicly mousse about whether or not other journalists should be charged with felonies. if you want to embrace that theory it means every investigative journalist in the united states is a criminal. >> the question of who is a journalist may be up to debate with regard to what you're doing. anybody who was watching this was asking he question that was raised by lawmakers as well. i'm not embracing anything, but obviously i take your point. >> john: kudos to david gregory i thought that was great tv and in the end he remarked on that. what concerns you most on what we just watched. >> there is a discorrect in disconnect

and anything. in this case the media. this is an establishment that is cosy with the ruling elite. they go to the same parties cocktail parties and they're offended outright offended that someone engaged in the actual act of journalism. what aknows me is this is irrelevant to the story. they broke the story, they wrote about it, but talking about it distracts from the real point. weather we can even argue snowden, were his actions legal? probably not. were they justified? probably. but with greenwald, they were doing what they were supposed to be doing holding a government accountable that is not holding itself accountable. we know that the administration is not not being held accountable. congress isn't. the journalists have a traditional role called the fourth estate. here at the top of the heap

moussing if journalism should be a jailable offense. gregory thinking that john mccain is relevant to anything, these are not people who are generally in touch with the direction of where our country is today. >> i look forward gregory asking bob woodward if he aided and abetted deep throat. and if he should be charged. markos moulitsas always a pleasure having you, thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> john: we'll go to alaska where a current heatwave is having no affect on the cold, cold hearts of the current politicians. stick around.

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of alaska. so of course you know, we have to talk about that crazy alaskaening that we all know and love, and i'm talking about current alaska governor sean parnell who just signed a brand spanking new stand your ground bill into law. brian judy was right there as the governor signed the bell. i'm guessing governor parnell was a little tense because it's always nerve-racking to do stuff when your boss is looking over your shoulder. as the george zimmerman trayvon martin case goes to trial alaska joins at least 21 other states that have passed stand your ground or similar laws, and not a single state has successfully repealed the law. i guess the threat of affable unarmed black kids stalking our streets with candy and iced tea drinks that they bought with their own money is still just too scary for our country to

deal with. wtf, alaska, studies have shown that stand your ground laws are discriminatory. they lead to higher homicide rates, they do nothing to deter crime, and i guess when it comes to passing laws based on fear and ignorance alaska like much of the rest of america is bravely standing it's ground. coming on to me all the time now. (vo) she gets the comedians laughing and the thinkers thinking. >>ok, so there's wiggle room in the ten commandments, that's what you're saying. you would rather deal with ahmadinejad than me. >>absolutely. >> and so would mitt romney. (vo) she's joy behar. >>and the best part is that current will let me say anything. what the hell were they thinking?

>> john: today the supreme court released their highly anticipated decision in the affirmative action case of abigail fisher. ms. fisher sued her university after her application was rejected claiming it was because she was white. in a deciding 7-1 decision they threw the case to the lower courts. they were thrown the case, and

they returned a punt. with us is the great alexis mcgail job son and almost as great rick unger, and strategist returning to the show for more abuse, the lovely dee dee benkle. the court did affirm the use of race to enhance academic diversity in the administration process, but essentially avoided the larger constitutional issues. is this decision the right way? >> it was not a great case. they had to punt it back to the lower courts so that the standard for which diversity is being measured for racial diversity is being measured, texas had an opportunity to prove whether or not they were meetingmeeting that standard strictly. i think it's a great decision for those of us who believe that affirmative action, that the decision in grooter to up hold

diversity is compelling is an important and exciting decision. >> i know the student in question did not bring this suit on her own. she was cast in this role by republican big money that picked her and had her file a lawsuit. >> alexis is right when she points out that they figured out too late that this is not the best case to be taking on. if you were paying attention you had an clue a few months ago when they took on the michigan case. that was telling you something. however, they did not completely punt as people think they did. they moved the ball down the field ten yards of doing away with affirmative action. to talk a little bit of lawyer talk, they switched the burden of proof. prior to day it would have been on abigail to show that the school behaved in a certain way.

now it's on the school to prove that they acted a certain way to prove a state goal. >> john: interesting. i didn't know that's what happened. dee dee, how did you feel about the supreme court not taking a stand. did they wimp out. >> i think clarence thomas was brilliant in what he wrote. >> john: let her finish. >> you stinkin' democrats, let her finish! >> brilliant? >> affirmative action, and it was not a strong case. but if it comes back, who knows. it will come back. >> john: there will be another case. >> they'll come back to the issue. the issue is and clarence thomas agrees affirmative action is bad. i agree with him. i don't think anybody should be discriminated against. abigail felt she was. why is it that diversity brings better leaders? there's no proof of that.

>> john: you know, the u.s. military disagrees with you. they have been the most outspoken supporters of any institution in all of america of affirmsive action saying that it improves their pool of officer candidates. i'm not making it up. >> i understand that, but what clarence thomas is saying is right. i shouldn't have been able to get into a school just because of diversity. it should be skill set. the president of the united states is black. we're done with this. affirmative action is wrong. >> there are two ironries here. this is a court that believes or committed itself to judicial restraint. what they did was kick it down to the district court and they'll be allowing those courts to basically be involved in the administration process. the second ironry is-- >> john: wait, wait. >> the second ironry is clarence thomas is essentially an affirmative action justice.

and if we can't call a spade a spade. >> john: well, she's allowed. dee dee do you believe that karen thomas wasclarence thomas was the most qualified judge when they nominated him? >> yes. >> the most amazing thing that happened in that courtroom today if you were able to see any accounts that took place was justice alito when justice ginsberg read her dis dissent. he was sitting there laughing at her. justices don't act like junior high kids in the court. >> john: we see this from alito. >> never have we seen a justice do this in court. >> because's rude doesn't mean he isn't right.

>> john: let me play devil's advocates because what she said is what many americans believe. we have a black president. racism was killed in the 20th century. rick as a white male how do you respond. >> i think affirmative action has a place particularly in academic institutions. the day will come, hopefully that we move to a point that we don't need it. i think we're closer than 20 years ago but i don't think we're there yet. >> if a corporation has two-ply can'ttwoapplicants who are equally qualified. >> it's difficult for two candidates to be equally qualified. it shouldn't be on skin color. >> john: let's say they are. >> this is the challenge around the affirmative action debate. there assumes there are these admission offices or recruiters who are looking at candidates

and they're looking at dee dee over me or rick over me. that's not how it goes. they have large buckets of places they need to fill. they need tuba players. >> that's a skill set. that makes sense. let's go with best student. >> and increasingly with experience is actually part of a qualification for understanding. >> i tell you what, i would be very upset if someone picked me for being white and not my qualification. >> people pick me for being a woman all the time. white women have been the biggest-- >> john: i have to go to a commercial break before i easily catch a cab because i'm a white guy and i believe this affirmative action. we'll be right back. go time. you know what time it is. go time! it's go time. it's go time. what time is it rob? here comes the young turks go time! it's go time.

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this show is about analyzing criticizing, and holding policy to the fire. are you encouraged by what you heard the president say the other night? is this personal, or is it political? a lot of my work happens by doing the things that i'm given to doing anyway, by staying in touch with everything that is going on politically and putting my own nuance on it. in reality it's not like they actually care. this is purely about political grandstanding. i've worn lots of hats, but i've always kept this going. i've been doing politics now for a dozen years. (vo) he's been called the epic politics man. he's michael shure and his arena is the war room. >> these republicans in congress that think the world ends at the atlantic ocean border and pacific ocean border. the bloggers and the people that are sort of compiling the best of the day. i do a lot of looking at those

people as well. not only does senator rubio just care about rich people, but somehow he thinks raising the minimum wage is a bad idea for the middle class. but we do care about them right? >> john: the texas house approved a law monday that bans abortion at 20 weeks of pregnancy and imposes strict regulations, regulations that could force 42 of the state's 47 abortion clinics to close. it still has to clear the senate, but it might have been easy to miss one of the saddest ill informed women on the planet take the floor. it all happened when senator thompson called forrepresentative thompson spoke and another congresswoman spoke in and said not necessary.

in the emergency room they have what's called rape kits where a woman can get cleaned out. i'm joined again by our esteemed panel alexis rick and dee dee. this woman said has she never watch "law & order"." >> this is astonishing. it's a little bit of the argument on the pro-choice side where we typically have seen male legislature saying the women's right to choose which is really--to have a woman who is completely ignorant to jump in the conversation, it's horrifying. >> john: dee dee, let me ask you, even if you want to overturn roe versus wade you have to agree that arguments like this do not help the cause. >> no, they don't and believe me i'm very upset about all

those republican males who have said these crazy things about rape. it does not make me happy. and this is stranger yet that it be a woman. she probably just got confused. i don't think she thought it was contraception. sometimes people misspeak. i'll give her the benefit of the doubt. >> john: that's generous. >> the problem is she just didn't jump into the conversation. she is the sponsor of the bill. she's the sponsor of this legislation that is going to go through and pass this ridiculous lie. >> what is horrifying about it is an in 2013 i think in the first three months nearly 700 bills have come up about abortion across the country. 20-week abortions 6-week abortions. beyond transadvantageal probes there were bills signed in kansas with governor brown back that permits doctors not to

share aminiotesis result. >> john: 77% of americans support abortion rights on some or all cases. we know on the national level it's a losing right for the g.o.p. we know this is going to get votes and more campaign funds. >> in texas, it is a bright red state. however, to give a little merit to this they're talking about making the clinics safer now you know, i don't think it's a bad deal. maybe when closing down they'll clean up these atrocities and making sure that they don't happen. >> john: unregulated, unsafe illegal. >> they're talking about making

standards for these cline clinics higher. >> john: in case of rape or incest. >> also, they've changed for a pro-life advocate it's helpful that they're talking about now when the baby feels pain. that is a very different angle and they could get some traction on it. >> john: they could and i think you're right. rick, we saw this last week when our congressman friend also from texas said he's an obgyn and he has seen male fetuses put their hands between thinks legs. >> john: let me move on to something equally upsetting. jim carrey, star of "kick ass 2". i was a big fan of the first film, underrated. he's withdrawn support of the movie following the sandy hook massacre. for those who don't know, kick ass is a super hero action

comedy based on a comic book. carrey tweeted on sunday, i did kick ass a month before sandy hook and now in all good conscience i cannot support that level of violence. is he being hypocritical since he knew what he was getting into, or is he allowed to change his mind. >> what an ass really? this is after he got paid a ton of money. he hasn't had a good movie in what, 15 years? this isn't fair to the producer and the director and the other actors because it is going to make the movie take a hit. take responsibility. you signed up for the movie you should stick with it. if not give up the check and give it to sandy hook victims. >> john: i agree with you what said, and i think he'll be sued but he just gave kick ass 2 more publicity. >> actually. he just earned himself three more points of gross. and all of the kids are going to go wow is that violent?

when does it open. he could not have done this film a bigger favor no matter what he did. >> john: it's so violent the guy who owned the riddler disowned it. is jim carrey not biting the hand that feeds him. >> i think it's okay for him to evolve. >> john: i agree. >> he made this film quite some time ago. it's not like--you know, it's something that is weighing on his mind. he can move on to other film, other roles, maybe more eternal sunshine. >> john: which we all hope that was a great film. but if he has evolved on this issue, he signed a contract to say that he would promote the film. wouldn't the tasteful thing would be to promote it, and then saying after sandy hook, this is my last violent film. go see it,. >> he's a total hypocrite. >> he satisfyied everyone. >> john: he's blaming blaming it on hollywood what is the

responsibility of hollywood if any when it comes to the images of excessive violence especially in the wake of recent events. we had people tweet on this. it seems like he's trying to get people to go to the movie. i'm sick of blaming fake violence for real violence. australia, japan, they have the same violent movies we have, not violence because of gun laws. i think jim carrey had a great chance to make a point and he blew it. >> i think that hollywood plays a big role in defining the norms around violence and how that translates, you know, you have to have access to guns and no background checks to actually commit some of these serious crimes but i think hollywood place a tremendous role in this conversation. >> john: i got to thank my great panel, alexis mcgill, and rick unger, and dee dee, we were nice. >> you were nice. >> john: don't go away, up next i'll be discussing the real can

exactly behind paula dean.

>> john: finally, my friends it's time for tonight's f-bomb. by now you heard that the food network dropped paula dean foraysist comments made and for various business practice. this has been devastating. and while the kerfuffle has provided an instant spike to talk show ratings paula dean is so upset she's now on the verge of a second face expression. we heard that she tried to get black people to play slaves at a wedding and she eventually got her nanny locked up. the kind of stuff that folks do every day. should she have been fired, i don't know. but being a bigot is bad for business in america and which is why capitalists have become

an unsung hero on civil rights issues. is she a racist? she has african-american friends, and she voted for obama, and while someone can rise up from obscurity late in life to say that she's not a racist and be able to say a word that rhymes with gold digger and keeps saying racist stuff that perpetuates the racist stuff that they say they're against the ignorant racist who really aren't aware of how damn racist they really are. but that's not the real paula dean scandal. after decades of serving empty calories we're now to be offended because she said a bad word? she doesn't hate any one group of people, she hates the arteries of all people. she has been chirping while she

clogs arteries, and fills bellies with home style disheses or the krispy kreme bread buddy which contains two dozen of the donuts that helped kill elvis or the bacon cheese burger meatloaf, all all right not long ago paula dean felt that she had been suffering from diabetes, but continued to stuff callies in here meals, did she repent? did she change her ways? no she decided to endorse a butt load of money to an diabetes organization. that's when she should have been fired. cool indifference to human

biology. she kept cashing in while promoting behavior that could get others sick. paula dean is someone who gets you so addicted who decides to do the right thing who decides to sell methadone. i don't see americans imitating what characters on jack ass do, i fear people who imitate what she does. paula dean is the al capone of free basing butter. they didn't get her on trash talking human races. the problem with paula dean isn't what comes out of her mouth, it's what she keeps trying to stuff into yours. from alexis mcgill and rick unger and dee dee benkle. good night mom.

>> joy: paula dean is friared -- i'm sorry fired for using the n word. and kim and kanye west named their baby north. and hillary clinton says she would like to see a woman president before she dies, but was she referring to herself or chelsea chelsea? i'll find out tonight on "say anything." [♪ theme music ♪] >> joy: msa whistleblower