[♪ theme music ♪] >> what more could you ask for when i'm filling in for steph and the mooks while on vacation but to actually the lovely and talented news maven yourself jacki schechner in studio with us. >> aren't you a sweetheart. oh, i need my mic. >> that's more of a professional broadcaster kind of thing. you'll pick that up eventually.

>> i have been on break for a couple of days i forgot how all of this works -- tony got up to run over. instead of saying you moron move the microphone. you are allowed to throw stuff at me. we're friends now. >> i'm sorry when you're here on a week where no news is happening or will break. >> it's tough. >> yeah, there is nothing coming down from the supreme court. my guess is they are all going to -- it's like the end of the series lost, everyone is expecting something, but nothing is going to happen. >> we got some stuff yesterday, but they are going to reconvene again today. >> today and thursday are two possible -- and i'm hosting an event tonight and i think a lot of people were almost predicating like we'll do the event tonight on the idea that

they might actually release something today, which is no guarantee. >> they are going to wait until the very last minute. they have to build the suspense. >> and isn't said sonia sotomayer's birthday? >> it is. >> they are probably having cake and scalia is going i don't think there's any precedent to everybody getting a piece of cake, and clarence thomas is going whatever antonin is saying, i'm good with. i would like some cake but if he won't give me any i'm okay with that. >> all right. there is a special election in massachusetts today. >> vote mass vote. >> this important. it is to find out who replacing john kerry in the senate.

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jerry came in and managed to magically fix everything. >> there were calls coming in and you couldn't answer them -- >> yeah, they could hear me, but i couldn't hear them. it was like i know there's a button not being push somewhere. >> it's like every call with my parents. >> yeah, hello? turn the phone around. you are talking into the ear piece. i so proud of myself that i was going to start the show off with a bang talking about the snowden nsa, you know, greenwald slash david gregory thing from sunday -- >> did you get into it yesterday? >> oh, yeah. but we weren't able to take that many calls on it because our

first hour of discussion our phones didn't work. we didn't get to hear lee papa because he was like, i hear music, i have rhythm. [ laughter ] >> who could ask for anything more. we just hung up. so hopefully we'll get him back at the end of the week. but what i was posing and i'm curious to hear your take, and i of course want to hear from people calling in as well. 1-800-steph-1-2 is the number. >> did we introduce yourselves? >> yes, i said hal sparks, day two of filling in -- >> i'm jacki -- >> i haven't got to it yet. >> tony. >> we don't introduce tony for legal reasons. >> it's my life's mission to get him to talk like regularly. >> oh, i get tony to talk. that's not a problem. tony and i talk like crazy, we

just talk about touring bands -- you think i go off of a tangent when you're hear -- and i did introduce you when we did the little news segment -- >> but only for the current audience. >> well as opposed to the past of future audience. >> what are you the defense attorney -- >> how am i supposed to introduce you, if you keep interrupting. you know nothing about radio. ladies and gentlemen, it is my pleasure to introduce to you the lovely and talented jacki schechner. >> thank you. i just have to shut up for 30 seconds. >> it's just lunch jacki. it's day two, i am already cracking the speeds early in the show because these hours are a

bit rough. here is the thing -- we have a lott of news to talk about. clearly, we are going to continue to talk about the snowden thing, because that is a continuing unfolding drama. it will probably be a leonardo decaprio pretty soon. >> who couldplay him. >> anybody who used to be on the cw. >> yeah. >> it will be like the jody arias movie. it won't be in theaters. have you seen the ads for that. >> no. >> dirtily little secret i think it is called and it's on lifetime which is the appropriate venue. >> yeah. >> but the only lifetime movie that you could also concurrently air on spike. and be like, i don't know i know in the end she stabs the guy, but i still want to sleep with

her. every guy has in its past a woman like that either dodged or got out just in time or in the case of jodi's boyfriend didn't. and we can all relate. >> that was the most attention given to a trial that i think mattered the least. she wasn't famous. she hadn't done anything important. there was no societal benefit to covering that trial -- >> no it was prurient at its root, and we were all very excited about the idea that there might be some photos shown. everybody was clamoring, i understand the defense and the prosecution both have some cell phone pictures are those going to be printed out and put on an easel at any point during the next coming weeks? will that be in the description on the tv guide.

>> most people said things like who the heck is jodi arias. why do i care about this trial? and i thought, oh, i have good taste in friends. >> i remember they were updating it on the news and going is this still happening? now the trayvon martin -- >> totally different story. >> totally different story and i think deserves as much scrutiny as can be given. and we're going to play some audio from the opening remarks of that business. >> oh. >> here are a couple of odd things. we're going to get to snowden and the greenwald david gregory situation that we didn't get to take calls on yesterday, 1-800-steph-1-2 is the number -- in just a little bit. but the crazy that was involved in the circumstance of trayvon martin's death, which is i think

gross and a horrible injustice if this guy goes free. i have my strong opinions about it. i don't know what it says for florida, if it means that if someone approaches you with a gun that you are just supposed to get shot. if you fight back in any way or manage to get the upper hand, and i'm not saying that's what happened with trayvon martin, that's the defense, if a guy walks up to you with a gun, and says who are you doing in my neighborhood or who are you you are supposed to take the bullet just so he can get arrested later. >> that would be the precedent that would be set if he goes free. >> that's what i mean. you are the precedent. you have to literally die if you want to die a statistic precedent. but if the guy gets loose and

manages to still shoot you, now it's justified. that's really what the argument is, and it is horrifying if that is the case because then it is just open season on anyone different, and i don't know how in florida that is okay. how do you -- >> have you been to florida? >> yeah i have. >> and i am a native floridian. >> right. but florida is almost an entirely tourist-born state between -- miami, fort lauderdale, key west and orlando, that is an enormous part of the -- >> oh, sure. >> and the migration factor -- >> yeah, orange juice and tourism. >> and believe me, i'll get my orange juice from california if it means that somebody who doesn't like my clothes decides

to follow me with a gun, confront me with a gun, and decide if i adopt just kneel down and let them shoot me that somehow they are justified in going ahead and shooting me. the idea of self-defense in this situation is absurd beyond measure. and we'll play a clip of the defense's idea of what weapon that trayvon martin had. the defense has argued that trayvon martin was not unarmed. >> how did i miss this? >> wait until you hear what his weapon of choice was. it's stunning. we'll be back right after this more of the "stephanie miller show." we're going to discuss this and talk your calls too, and talk about snowden, where he is, why it matters, and why the american people now have a steak in

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♪ >> welcome back to the "stephanie miller show." i'm hal sparks filling in. you know why i'm filling in because there's more kids. >> if you are not awake you are now. >> yeah, exactly. those are the producer's kids

screaming in the background, it gave it that scary feel. and he says good night at the end, and you hear the door lock. >> that's creepy. >> yeah. it is environmental stuff. that's why i loved the '70s. i want to play a little bit of audio of the zimmerman trial yesterday, and the first one up is opening statements now yesterday msnbc had to apologize for airing f bomb after f bomb, after f bomb, because the prosecution used the language that zimmerman used to describe on the phone this kid before he went and shot him. >> but the best part was they used the language a couple of times, chuck todd comes on, and

says we're sorry, we're going to institute a seven-second delay. and then goes back and immediately it happens again. >> yeah. luckily the fcc said you can't be blamed -- >> oh, that's good. >> yeah, that rule from the bush administration that they were using to shut down -- one of those back pocket rules that in case they needed to shut down the media, they could, but you are not actually technically responsible for that kind of thing. so this is -- i guess what zimmerman's lawyer thought was a good idea as far as how to open his argument. keep in mind the prosecution opened with shocking language and the description of zimmerman calling the police and the police saying meet us at the gate, do not pursue, and this

guy got out of his car said the hell with that and followed this unarmed teenager who had an ice tea and skittles famously, and ended up killing this kid, killing an unarmed civilian for walking in the wrong place. 1949 era way to treat a black person -- >> yeah, it wasn't walking in the wrong play it was being the wrong skin color. >> he was on the phone with his girlfriend. >> right, and he was saying this guy is chasing me. the description is horrifying, and paints a picture, and i think rightfully so, and again this is my opinion as zimmerman as a guy who has a racial grudge. his dad released an e-book about why his son was innocent --

>> since the shooting? >> yeah, just recently. right before the trial started. where he basically says african americans are violent by nature. >> thumbs up on that one. >> yeah. and this is the lawyer that they have, and this was his way of opening his statement after this horrifying description by the prosecution of how this went down. this is what the defense decided to open with. >> i think the evidence will show that this is a sad case; that there are no monsters here. sometimes you have to laugh to keep from crying. so let me at considerable risk let me -- let me say. i would like to tell you a little joke. i know how that may sound a bit weird in this context under these circumstances. but i think you are the perfect

audience for it. >> oh. >> as long -- if you don't like it or don't think it's funny or inappropriate, that you don't hold it against mr. zimmerman. you can hold it against me if you want, but not mr. zimmerman. here is how it goes. knock knock. who is there? george zimmerman. gorge zimmerman who? all right good. you are on the jury. nothing? that's funny. after what you folks have been through the last two or three weeks? >> wow. >> and then he chastises them. >> you figure oh you are the loser, you know? the dead beat. >> you didn't laugh during the murder trial. >> yeah. >> what is wrong with you people? >> you are going to open the defense of a guy who shot an

unarmed 17 year old, with a knock-knock joke. and by the way that is -- i think the -- just the cringe factor alone would almost be made up for if his defense was somehow so powerful, so as to define, like you go oh well he could afford almost one flub because the premise of their defense is going to be huge. >> they are going for mistrial on the grounds of totally incompetent representation. >> yeah. >> that's the only explanation. a totally comedic performance on the part of the defense. >> maybe but -- >> not intentionally, but that's why that is heading. there is no other explanation. >> sure there is huberous on the part of this attorney.

and the idea that he did that for that was a ploy for the court. who would ever hire this guy again, if that was actually his strategy. it's like when you hear lennie bruce talk about we're building a case in the appellate case when i have run out of money. this is even worse. but here is the actual strategy from the defense. this is what he is going to use as the defense against trayvon martin. posthumous defense against this young man. >> if i have heard it once i have heard it a thousand times that trayvon martin was unarmed. what the evidence will show you is that's not true. trayvon martin armed himself with the concrete sidewalk and used it to smash george zimmerman's head, no different

than if he picked up a brick or bashed ahead against a wall. that is a dead i will weapon. and the law is very specific about when you can defend yourself when the other person has a deadly weapon. please listen to all of the evidence. you are going to be with us. we're going to be with you for a while. maybe not as long as we first thought. a couple of weeks, i hope. >> so basically at -- according to zimmerman's attorney that if you are in a three-dimensional physical environment, you are armed. >> i was armed with a tree. >> exactly. >> really? >> yeah. that -- that in and of itself is stunning. his argument, and i think the argument for anybody who supports the stand your ground concept in regard to this situation is that is i am

allowed to shoot you without you trying to interfere in that process, and if you try to interfere in that process, it's actually justified. in the beginning i have a stand your ground law. i don't have to say anything to you, i can just shoot you, but in the case you do decide to turn tail and run or decide to back up with your hands up i can approach you and wave the gun in your face and if you believe for a second that i'm going to shoot you and try to go for the gun, it's now self-defense. it's the old 50s cops, i shoot you and wipe off the gun with the spit on your hand. people as well. not only does senator rubio just care about rich people, but somehow he thinks raising the minimum wage is a bad idea for the middle class. but we do care about them right?

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>> you have to know the video to this song to know what the heck i'm doing? >> do i? >> it's a giant inflatable microphone. >> is that a euphemism or is that a microphone? >> it's definitely a euphemism, but it can't even compete with what steve vy is doing with his guitar. genius. just ridiculous genius. and having such a great time. >> i didn't think that's where this was going. >> we'll take some calls. line 6 thinks zimmerman was justified. >> caller: as somebody who has

suffered a brutal assault, mine was actually a hate crime in the suburb of buffalo. but you would have to understood from a different perspective one of which would be when zimmerman was speaking to the police to the dispatcher and was walking back, you have to understand the shape of the actual apartment complex is talking back from a t from left to right today today went all the way around past his apartment and then came back and confronted george zimmerman from behind. the first witness witnessed him on top of george zimmerman, smashing his head and george zimmerman screaming for help. >> first of all the screams themselves and the prosecution case yesterday, they believe to be coming from trayvon and they ended the moment the shot rang out. hold on as a victim as a hate

crime, i'm not going to question your own personal feelings about having been attacked but the reality is confrontation or no he was in his car when he spoke to the police and they said leave it alone -- contract not true. he didn't follow the guy. >> did he get out of his car -- >> they asked him for an address. he walked to the end of the street to find the address. and then they said to him -- he said we do not need you to do that. he said okay. and he was basically going back to his car. so the idea that he followed this kid -- the kid was on the phone with his girlfriend. he wasn't being followed -- >> in the phone call he says i think this guy is following me. >> yes but then -- >> yeah but what. here is the fact of the

matter -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> i appreciate you are coming at it from the point of you that you have been attacked in your life. but the reality is an armed man shot an unarmed man unprovoked. >> caller: unprovoked he was getting his head smashed in. >> so what am -- you come up to me -- you joe from buffalo -- >> caller: how do you know he came up to him -- >> you approach me with a gun -- >> he didn't have his gun out. >> based on what? >> caller: logically speaking -- >> i'm talking about where is your information that he didn't have the gun out and exposed -- >> caller: where is your information that he did. i'm not giving opinions i'm giving what eyewitness accounts -- >> eyewitness accounts show that he approached him he pulled his gun out and shot trayvon martin

in full view of witnesses to keep his head from getting bashed into the grown -- >> he said first of all -- okay there was more than the two initial voice analysts who i might add were using a very controversial manner of voice analysis which are not traditionally used. the others that used traditional analysis said it was coming from -- >> i think you are making an enormous leap because you have a stake in this emotionally. >> caller: not at all. and he also passed the stress test -- >> what does that mean? the aurora shooter passed a stress test. what does that mean? he had no emotion about the fact he just shot a bunch of people. >> caller: he passed a lie

detector test and a stress test -- >> so no emotional spike because you don't care. maybe if you think you are shooting a dog, you don't care. >> caller: oh, okay. >> honestly. you are using this as an indication that somehow that an unarmed man had it coming. >> caller: okay. you can [ inaudible ] me if you want to. that's cool. he had it coming? no. it is not the equivalent of walking down the street. when you are assaulting somebody who is on the ground for over a minute and feels he is losing consciousness, and secondly, why would i approach somebody with the premeditated intent to kill someone -- >> because maybe your intent was to menace and when you actually

pulled out your gun, you didn't have the guts to pull the trigger right away. >> caller: oh. >> if you are going to make as big of reach why isn't that logical. and why if you approach me joe from buffalo, with a gun and decided to scare me out of your neighborhood with a gun -- listen to what i'm saying -- if i believe because you are waving a gun in my face that i am going to be killed, and i try to defend myself then you are justified in killing me in self-defense. >> caller: they are saying it is premeditated murder -- >> no. >> it is second degree murder. [overlapping speakers] >> caller: -- would be an attempt to murder him. the idea that he chased this kid down. there was over a minute 45

between the call and when the initial initial confrontation occurred. >> so. >> caller: go on google earth and look at the apartment complex. >> joe, let me just throw something in here. >> caller: yeah sure. >> trayvon martin is a 17-year-old kid who is staying with his parents -- >> caller: that's irrelevant. >> well it's not if you let me finish the sentence -- >> caller: his parents made him stay there -- >> it doesn't matter why he is at the house. he is staying at the house with the father and the father's girlfriend. okay? he wants to talk to his girlfriend, and he is a 17 year old kid, so he finds a reason to leave the house. so he is on the phone, gets a

snack, whatever he is doing. he doesn't want to talk on the phone to his girlfriend in front of his parents. so he is wandering around the neighborhood talking to his girlfriend -- >> caller: okay. okay. >> can i finish the sentence? i have a finingmicrophone i'm going to do it anyway. people do that. you want some privacy. so where he was in the course of the neighborhood is irrelevant. >> caller: it's totally not irrelevant, because when he initially with said he was alarmed by some guy he traveled around the complex -- >> he is not from there. he is actually staying there, he doesn't live there all the time. >> caller: if you see -- >> have you seen those complexes

they all look the same. [ laughter ] >> right at a certain point -- look i got to go from that. because we're just talking in circles, and when you eventually get to the point -- and we'll take another call before we get to the break. there are a bunch of calls on the line but joe has made videos about why he thinks zimmerman had the right to shoot somebody who didn't have a gun because that person started beating him up because he was fol following him with a gun. let's go to chris in chicago. >> caller: i don't know much of what joe said is true at all. i think he has been reading the websites. the 911 dispatcher told him to stay in the car. do not get out of the car and follow him. he got out of the car and followed the kid. >> yeah. >> caller: and i don't know what they are conjectureing that he

ran around this building we don't know if that is true. we know that zimmerman got out of the car and approached trayvon martin with a gun, and trayvon martin was unarmed and a teenager, and whether he threatened him with a gun and trayvon martin fought back we don't know that for sure, but it sounds a whole hell of a lot more plausible than what joe from buffalo was just spewing out there. it's just right off of these nasty websites -- >> i think joe actually is one of those nasty websites. he said he had done multiple videos about this or whatever. >> caller: and then there is the interview with the cops afterwards, and you can see that on charlie pierce's blog, and he is talking about how these guys always get away, and he is just going over the top, these hoes they always get away zimmerman says. he called the 911, 40 times over

the weeks, and was always out there look for these things and he thought he found one, and he also thought he found one that he could intimate is my conjecture for joe from buffalo. and being the idiot that he is, he quickly lost the upper hand and then pulled the gun or just decided to fire. and the kid yelling in the -- the 911 call is trayvon martin. there is no way that grown man had that voice and screamed in that way after he would -- no. that was just nuts what i just had to listen to. >> yeah it's absurd but there's a good portion of it out there. i appreciate the call we're up -- >> caller: the 911 call telling him to stay in the car is going to do him in. >> yeah, he sought the problem and when confronted -- this is

my belief, but the reality is an armed man shot an unarmed man that he followed. that he sought out. and that doesn't qualify on stand your ground. thanks for the call chris. i appreciate. when we come back from the break we'll take more of your calls, 1-800-steph-1-2. there are a lot of calls on the line. >> it's good. >> it's a conversation worth having. >> just don't throw in a knock-knock joke and we're good. >> yes. >> announcer: the following program is close captioned for the thinking impaired. it's the "stephanie miller show." ♪

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>> see there? this is my broomstick! >> this proves that there is a place in a man's head that if you shoot it it will blow up. >> our loving fascination with guns in this country, that people like the caller before was -- you know, joe was basically arguing that if you have -- you know that might mix right in the bullet situation if you -- there is just something right about that. it's kind of amazing to me. let's go to danet in portland oregon. >> caller: hi, hal, it kind of bothers me that you and joe have such strong opinions about this when really we have no idea who did it yet. the trial hasn't even really

started, and how is he ever -- either side supposed to get a fair trial if we all have our mine made up. i went to thinking that trayvon was the one in the right, and i went from thinking george zimmerman was the one in the right. i think we should all wait and see what happens. >> i'm talking about the stand your ground law as a rule. there was a guy who shot his neighbor because the neighbor was making too much noise, and he felt threatened because he told him to turn down his music, and he thought he was going to shoot him later, that was his argument. when he really went over there

to tell him to turn his music down, and then shot him. and i have a real real problem with an armed person shooting an unarmed person after instigated the contact. i think there was a distinct enough amount of information that he got out of the car and went looking for this kid. he said -- >> he said are you following him? and he said yes. and he said we don't need you to do that. he didn't say stay in your car. >> but he still followed this kid when he did not need to. >> caller: but he says that's not what he was doing. >> i understand, but what he ended up doing was shooting an unarmed child, and to me there's an extra level of scrutiny that

goes with that and the law surrounding the protection of someone who does that. >> caller: but he hear all the time that 17 year olds commit -- >> but he had no weapon. he had a bag of candy and an ice tea. >> caller: i understand. >> he didn't pull george zimmerman out of the car. >> he didn't menace him in any way. >> caller: do you know that? >> yes. >> yes. >> caller: how in >> because of all of the evidence that is out there. and zimmerman's conversation with the police. >> caller: and that's what made me think he was almost telling the truth when he said his head was being banged -- >> but why did he get out of the car in the first place?

my argument is at a certain point an armed man confronted an unarmed kid. and at some point the kid felt the need if there was any altercation at all -- if he didn't hit his own face on the concrete after the fact because that is as plausible and anything other part -- >> caller: it's just hard -- >> what hand -- >> caller: george was waving a gun at him that he ran up on him, pushed him into the ground, started banging his head into the sidewalk knowing he had a gun at him. it doesn't sound right to me. >> how easy is it for you to shoot somebody. >> i would not shoot someone. >> i'm saying a lot of people -- i think why a lot of workplace shooters end up killing themselves is it's not some sort of act of mercy at the end, i think the fantasy of

shooting someone is much more comfortable than the reality of it. >> caller: you are right. >> and if you have ever been confronted -- i have done cpr three times in my life and i have seen people die in front of me and had to bring them back. the last time i did it was at lax, and i saw this man die twice. >> a heart attack? >> yeah. he came back i had him for a couple of seconds and watched him go again. i have flashbacks still. and i think the reality of people who have this macho idea of what they are going to do with a gun -- with the exception of like this aurora shooter, i think a lot of people actually can't do it, and when they look

around at the office and they didn't all fall down some are bleeding to death on the floor, and it takes them time to die. i think when confronted with that. it's a lot harder than you think. you have this built up in your head, he is neighborhood watch even though he wasn't and he is lurking around the neighborhood finger on his gun day after day, saying things like these kids always get away with it -- >> caller: right. the neighborhood had been robbed several times. >> i think if you hold it up in front of me face and you hesitate for a second i think i have one chance. and he manages to get the gun back and shoots the child. >> caller: that's a good

possibility, but i would like to hear the forensic evidence before i decide for sure. >> sure. one man had a gun the other did not, period. >> caller: that's not enough. [ overlapping speakers ] >> how did they end up facing each other? >> one was beaten up, and the other one wasn't -- >> because he's dead. >> caller: right the other guy lived. i know it might have been better if he had died from his head being shoved on the sidewalk -- >> no, no no, but how did they get into the confrontation in the first place. >> and that's the issue here. we're right up at the end. i appreciate the call. i'm hal sparks filling in all week. katie speaks is next to talk lady parts.

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>> well it's too bad that we can't actually have a conversation going on the show today. that there's no news worth creating -- >> really dull huh? >> yeah, doesn't have a legal discussion that need be had. >> but i like when it's intelligent conversation. and i'm okay if you have a differing opinion and you come with facts. i'm okay if you are respectful and looking at it from a factual perspective. so this is good. >> exactly. and i'm not going to back down from my own opinions about this either. as much as people wanted too woe

indicate for the second amendment, that's fine but that doesn't automatically guarantee you social dominance in the world. >> of course. there has to be some limitations to your ability to use that weapon. >> exactly. and the most shocking and horrifying part of this for me is somehow if somebody confronts you with a gun, and you dare to try to save yourself and end up getting killed that that's justifiable homicide is just crazy. >> yeah, you get a free pass because their self-defense becomes your self-defense. >> yeah, and if that's the society we're living in we're so far adrift, and i i have the vast majority of people think -- >> but after things like the o.j. simpson trial or the casey anthony trial, where we have seen some people that we assume

committed violent acts got off scot-free, i wouldn't put anything past this one. >> exactly. jacki schechner with the news. >> president obama is going to give a speech at georgetown to talk about climate change. he will announce a three-pronged agenda. he is going to frame all of this action as a moral obligation but because congress is stuck in moving on climate change, he is going to move ahead via executive action. >> which is the only option he has at this point. >> yeah. there was a big attack in kabul, and this is at the same time we're trying to get some negotiation going between afghanistan, the taliban, and the u.s. we're back after the break.

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heard the president say the other night? is this personal, or is it political? a lot of my work happens by doing the things that i'm given to doing anyway, by staying in touch with everything that is going on politically and putting my own nuance on it. in reality it's not like they actually care. this is purely about political grandstanding. i've worn lots of hats, but i've always kept this going. i've been doing politics now for a dozen years. (vo) he's been called the epic politics man. he's michael shure and his arena is the war room. >> these republicans in congress that think the world ends at the atlantic ocean border and pacific ocean border. the bloggers and the people that are sort of compiling the best of the day. i do a lot of looking at those people as well. not only does senator rubio just care about rich people, but somehow he thinks raising the minimum wage is a bad idea for the middle class. but we do care about them right?

♪ ♪ it's a beautiful day ♪ ♪ don't let it get away ♪ >> welcome back to the "stephanie miller show." i'm hal sparks filling in for steph and the mooks while they are away on vacation. stephanie of course is on a -- i think she is stationary biking her way up a hill right now. >> it's tough, but it can happen. >> if anybody can get to the top of a hill on a stationary bike, it's stephanie miller. and of course chris lavoie is -- i guess -- he is awake watching the show right now. don't ruin what i have created, and jim, is still asleep. jim will be asleep until 4:00 this afternoon. i'm sure of it. >> probably. >> yeah, some of his other personalities are up -- i'm

convinced that sometimes jim's body gets up without him and walking around talking like sean connery. would it be weird if jim had some sort of weird multi-polar attitude where he just walked around -- hello, sir, i would like -- and then jim what were you doing yesterday? what do you mean i slept in? i didn't get up until 3:00. >> his personalities take on a personality of their own. >> you came over to my house talking like arnold schwarzenegger for like two hours. i would have complained but i ended up financing your next film. on the line with us is my dear friend and lady parts expert katie speak. >> good morning. did you know jonathan winters use todd do that. >> oh, yeah. >> he used to walk around doing his voice impressions.

>> he lived in monta cito of course until his passing. and he would do that in restaurants, go in and be another person his entire meal. >> how much fun would that be? >> he was such a great person. care enough to not give a crap that's my favorite motto. so katie, i'm sure that you have been following the -- the texas legislature and the special session they put in to pass the most egregious abortion law in certainly texas's history. can i play the clip. the audio is kind of bad so we may have to describe what is going on here. this is a texas legislateure, who i think the woman that actually put the bill .up -- >> yes, it's her bill, she sponsored it. the beautiful judy laudenberg

and the republicans didn't pitch anything during the regular session. they waited and called a special session, which is expensive. and this bill would bring the number of women's abortion clinics in texas from 42 down to 5, and texas is a huge state, so in an attempt to make it not quite as bad somebody pitched an amendment that would give an exemption for rape victims which is what she is talking about. >> yeah, and somebody was bringing up the fact that there are still too few of them, and do you think it's okay if a woman is raped and wants an abortion that she has to drive to san antonio you, which is a long way, to do this and of course probably have to go through three hours of therapy and then go home and then come back the next day. >> yep. >> this is her response.

i want the listener to really pay attention to what she is saying is an option for women who have been sexually assaulted. >> is that acceptable -- >> we have hospital emergency rooms. we have rape kits that will help the woman basically clean her out -- >> basically cleaning her out. >> [ inaudible ]. >> another woman answers. for clarification. >> you said that these ladies would be able to -- excuse me. >> go ahead. >> i was just trying to be able to hear a little bit better.

that these ladies will be able to acquire an abortion at one of the emergency rooms. >> the emergency rooms will have what is called rape kits that the woman can get cleaned out, basically like an dnc, and -- emergency contraception where they can also do the morning after pill. >> so she is saying that hospitals have rape kits and that a woman can go in and basically get cleaned out, like a dnc, and then they will give her the morning after pill. >> women are not cars. this is not like an oil change. the attitude towards this is unbelievable, and the limitations are unnecessary. only 1.5% of abortions happen after the 20th week anyway. and they happen because that's about the time you can do really

good testing on anything that might be wrong with the fetus or really good tests on the mother's health. and it is brutal to ask a woman to carry to term a pregnancy that is inviable. so this whole thing is ridiculous, and it is supposed to get voted on today. women are just showing up to support wendy today >> yeah, if you don't mind -- go ahead and tell people how they can be a part of that too. because there's no many people that can actually go down there, if you are in the texas area and be a part of this last ditch effort to hold this at bay. >> absolutely. i'm going to tweet this out. the amazing jessica luther it's

on her website, jessicawluther.com. you can help from anywhere. and they are gathering literally right now, and if you can't, she has a script for your legislatures if you live in texas and a way to do easy things like getting things out to the media, stuff to tweet, so you can do it from your computer at work. >> wow. and by the way this is just breaking, the supreme court has gutted the voting right's act. >> well, they instruct down parts of it apparently. >> we'll get to that after the break too. there's no ruling on gay marriage or doma or prop 8. >> yeah. >> right. so we'll discuss that in a little bit, but that just happened, and it's -- but the doma and prop 8 ones will not

come today, they will probably come thursday or at the latest friday. this is obviously something, katie, that i believe is a legislative tool that the republicans are using, which is set up things in state and local governments that are egregious and frightening as far as women's right to choose and direct their own health decisions, and then people in the -- in the house will either support or block anything that would stop it, mainly they are there to block aid. personhood amendments and the like notwithstanding that, you know, the house seems to be there just to guarantee that the federal government will have no way of remedying these state house bills. >> texas isn't alone. it's a bigger deal because it is a such a huge state and it affects so many women. but if medicaid is your health

insurance, he literally is the person who will decide who will get an abortion, so if you live in iowa [ inaudible ] is your doctor. there is a book called crow after roe, and they talk about how these state laws are being put through, and they are being strategically used to hopefully one day overturn roe. so this is somebody everyone because they are using these laws to eventually push through -- and we just saw just now with the voting rights act, we can't always trust the supreme court to come down on the side we would expect them too. >> right. and i think that's the goal. conservatives and republicans ultimately as much as they might

be in disarray right now, there is a segment of them that has a very strong long game and has a constituency that they can really count on. you look at massachusetts, if you are in the massachusetts area right now, and you are not voting, just go spit on a service member while you are at it. because people have died and are continuing to die for your right to be free and exercise the one thing that makes a democracy a democracy, which is the ability to vote. and you have a responsibility to live up to that vote. it is incredibly valuable that you act on that right more than anything. so -- and the same thing applies -- i think a lot of this lazy pullback that hand during 2010 is creating this rush of state legislatures and tea partiers in the house that are just egregiously anti-women.

>> absolutely. and when we stayed home in 2010 this is what we got. and a lot of those folks are still in the house. and governor walker is about to sign a law that says -- another one of those forced vaginal ultrasound bills. and do you really want walker to be your doctor? >> yeah. katie underscore speak is the twitter handle. and katiespeak.com. please go there to find out the information on dealing with the texas law, that they are trying to pass through and a myriad of other issues because this is part of a multi-state plan. the republicans were arguing against obamacare based on the idea that the government getting to pick your doctor. this was the biggest hammer they used to try to fight the affordable care act, the

government is now going to make decisions about your health care, and all of these laws involve the government making decisions that -- that supercreed you and your doctor. all of them. the ultrasound laws this one the ability to even get to a doctor or have that available to you, and the interesting thing is it's the death of morality. a legal choice is not moral at all. if you think you are going to heaven or hell for that that's not a moral choice. morality is -- i don't know what the decision is but ethically, i think i have the right to make this decision and this is the right decision for me and society at large. this is something i genuinely believe. that's a moral choice. >> i'm okay with living your life however you want to live your life. but when you think you have the right to tell me how to live my

life, that's where i have a problem. >> and that's what they said obama wanted to do. >> they wanted to defund planned parenthood, which advises women on family planning and gives them an opportunity to -- >> yeah. make an informed choice. >> make informed choices. >> yeah, we're way over the break again. and that's why it is awesome to have katie on. thank you katie so much. and i'll retweet what katie is saying. thank you, katie. >> thank you hal. bye love. >> we'll be back right after this. >> announcer: it's not radio. it's stephanie miller. ♪

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♪ >> moon, river. welcome back to the show. i'm hal sparks filling in for steph and the mooks while they are on vacation. we're discussing this push on state house where they are just crowbaring their religious beliefs into the choices of women all over the country and hoping it is not noticed. apparently it is failing miserably, especially in texas, which is a state that is amazingly enough drifting purple. it is moving much more in the direction of blue especially as

they continue to try these things. the unfortunate part is they are able to push through these laws -- >> i love how the republicans do the autopsy on why they are failing so miserably, and the pollster comes in and says stop talking about rape, and then they keep talking about rape. >> the reason they can't stop talking about it is because they really believe it. >> they are obsessed with rape. it's amazing. >> they are obsessed with the idea that rape is fake. if you look at the laws and the way they are drifting this is they probably believe -- of let's say 100 rapes that are reported, 80 of them are fake. and the only ones that count are ones where you had a knife to your throat or gun to your head

or you were beaten up and you crawl into a emergency room and immediately report it to the police. that's how rape occurs. any other version of that, where you are drugged for multiple days, where you went drinking with friends and somebody dosed you -- there are so many instances, where why are we surprised she was so drunk? who says she wasn't dosed? every woman i know says at some point i picked up a drink at a bar and it tasted funny, and some guys i know have told me stories about how -- yeah i had a drink with a couple of people and then i started feeling really sick and decided to go home slept like for 14 hours.

i must have caught something, and i'm like you were driven something -- >> or you can get just that drunk. i know a lot of people who black out when they drink. and stuff happens. >> right. but even still -- >> but it's not your responsibility if somebody takes advantage of you. >> that's what they mean by legitimate rape. if you get so drunk that somebody has sex with you, maybe you said yes. maybe you don't know. there is a drug they are calling the zoomby drug in south america now -- >> this is a good public service message. >> it's called scapolomine, and it is made from -- i want to say a switch grass down there, it's amazingly common but very hard to refine. but people wake up three days

after they have been dosed it with naked in a park -- they call it the zombie drug because people willingly do things like rob people -- it makes you emotionally compliant. >> one dose keeps somebody under that control for that period of time. >> i think they might continue feed it to you. but it has been a problem for a long time. and if you are a fan of the robo cop movies that's the only mention i have heard of this drug, the bad guy goes it's making my teeth wiggle cut it with scapotine. >> it's a thing you throw in the

drink the same way with -- >> yeah. but the point being a lot of republicans would say to that that's not a legitimate rape. if you are in a situation where you are allowing yourself to get drugged, then you kind of had it coming, and you are kind of loose anyone and it is just sex. what is the big deal? you don't have to be that awake for it. this is what they mean i'm telling you. we're going to take your calls when we come back on the other side of this but this is a real problem, because they don't perceive that the majority of rapes are real. >> mrab it's like homosexuality, if you know someone who is raped, you'll believe in it. >> right. the issues of the day. >> do you think that there is any chance we'll see this president even say the words "carbon tax"? >> with an open mind... >> has the time finally come for real immigration reform? >> ...and a distinctly satirical point of view.

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>> welcome back to the "stephanie miller show." i'm hal sparks filling in for steph while she's on vacation and here with the lovely jacki schechner. i want to get to bizarre push for these pro rape pro lifers. let's go to dale in sacramento. >> caller: hi, i gave abortions with my husband for decades in northern california and let me describe the difference between a rape kit and a dillitation.

a rape kit has slides and for-septembers to collect evidence, and a camera. it does not contain die -- dilators or any other instrument that gives an abortion. abortions are denied every day in this country. we have men who bring their wives in and says she want answer abortion. she is not even allowed to talk in front of him. we have people who are bought overseas and -- >> sorry? >> caller: they are bought overseas women young girls. they are maried to these men and used as slaves. we see this all the time. they have no determination over what goes on in their lives.

scopamine is annestest tetic drug. and it produces hallucinations in some people. you can trip on this. >> yeah and they are saying -- people have said i helped them rob a bank and in the moment i was happy to do it. and i'll describe to people that i did it with but i don't know what the hell was going on. that's not something that was me, but i was willing to do it. and they are shocked by their own behavior under it. >> caller: right. it cuts offing frontal lobe cognition, which is what weighs consequences, and this is why we see younger people who take

drugs have more problematic outcomes, because their frontal lobes are not developed yet. and this is why we can get them to sign up for the military. the fact that somebody wants to put their religious beliefs over anybody's religious beliefs is just abhor rent. >> i would even go as far as to say un-american. >> caller: exactly. do they feel they have superior morality that we can't make those decisions with the people we love, our physicians and the people who should actually be involved in the decision-making process? because i'll tell you, the way we -- this is the parable, i'm

also a legal nurse consultant and when they talk about people putting themselves in positions where they can be raped. i draw this parable. rich guy with a rolex watch, he is asking to be robbed. and why would he not be robbed. my god look at him. and that's exactly what they are doing to women. >> i will say there is a distinct difference there came up in iowa and idaho where they wanted to change the legal definition of a rape victim to an accuser and the guy in your parable with the rolex watch would not be forced to be called the accuser if he was robbed. he should be able to walk with

open money -- he should be able to walk in this country legally walk around with fist fulls of money and not be assaulted and robs. >> absolutely. >> but for some reason that doesn't apply to a women's ability to stop when someone -- someone from having sex with her against her will. >> caller: right. >> that's shocking to me. >> caller: right. right. and we are lesser people we are $0.77 on the dollar. marshall blackburn says we don't want equal pay for equal work. and this leads to social security, because your social security is based on what you make. >> and women live longer. >> caller: absolutely, and they are the family in a lot of situations -- >> but they will also draw off of the social security system

longer is my point. if you make less you'll earn less, and therefore you'll pull less out in the end. arguably it's one of those pass if you generic ways of strengthening the -- you know, any kind of -- of -- protections you have and money saved for old age. >> caller: the republicans thought we had a health care system that it was okay to charge women 15% more because she was a female. >> right. and the pregnancy is a preexisting condition. >> caller: exactly. it is just not this. it is everywhere. it is impervious in our society, and it makes me sick. and jacki schechner i love you baby. and hal, you do a great job, you guys. and yesterday, the morning glitch, we all understood.

it's technology. you can't depend on it. >> thank you, so much dale. dale is terrific. let's go to elizabeth in chicago. hi, elizabeth. >> caller: hi, hal. yeah, i -- i agree with dale. a rape kit is something made by the police for evidence finding and there is no emergency room anywhere that is going to do a dnc, that doesn't happen. that's a made up thing. >> yeah, what she is trying to do is push the idea that they get the morning after pill if they ask for it which by the way they are fighting with other laws at the same time. they want to eliminate the morning after pill from part of a rape kit that if you ask for it or the availability of it -- for two years they were pushing this bill that would make it impossible for you to get it if you asked for it when you came in saying you had been

sexually assaulted. >> caller: the other point i want to make is that -- the idea about the fetus self stimulating himself. >> the masturbating fetus concept. >> caller: it makes me nauseous because to me that is a way that people can justify pedophilia. look, the kid wanted it. he wanted self stimulation since he was born, blah blah blah. it is nauseating to me. >> yeah and the sexest idea that he was making a case that male fetuses do that -- >> caller: if a female did it, she was trying to shave. >> exactly. thank you for the call. there is so much to this that is

disturbing. and you and i were talking during the break that -- you know, you -- you were saying that if people knew someone who was sexually assaulted they would probably be more sympathetic to the situation. statistically speaking everybody does. >> but people don't talk about it. >> exactly. but showing up in the south and knowing a lot of people in the south, there is this idea of putting on a veneer that is much more important than the truth, and we look at what happens in afghanistan and syria, and parts of the middle east where a woman is assaulted, and it's her fault. there is a lot of that residual stuff and the religious belief is a big part of the area below what robin williams called the

manson nixon line, you know, that women had it coming, and if it happens, well it's just something we don't really talk about. that's embarrassing and difficult, and if you do need an abortion, you just go see your cousin in the north. but this is a very distinct distinct -- there's a very distinct attitude about it that if it does happen it's too painful to talk about, and look at the stubenville situation where they are like you are ruining these young men's lives. what? no, i think we are jailing rapists. i think the act of doing it is what ruined their lives, not getting caught. because if that is what is happening, it's the criminal

prosecution system that is ruining all of these murders, and rapists -- >> i would argue that women lose power in a lot of these arguments because there are certain personal issues that we don't want to talk about, because it may be nobody's business. so the somebody of women who have decided to have an abortion is probably much higher than anybody thinks, and i think the number of people in your life who have gone through it is probably much higher than you think, but women don't openly talk about it. and the only time that women openly talk about it from what i have experienced amongst my social circle is when they feel they are in a room of sympathetic parties, where they feel comfortable enough saying i have been through that too. but it's not out in the open so

we don't have the power -- and i'm using this as an example to talk about these sorts of things on an open stage because there is still offense of it's personal. i'm embarrassed i don't want to be shamed, or if i'm not embarrassed, it's still a very emotional personal thing that i have chosen to do. so we don't have the political power behind it which leaves a vacuum between these uneducated lawmakers, and i say uneducated because when you say a rape kit can perform an abortion you are uneducated. >> and the description of what the actual -- you know -- what an abortion is in and of itself

is an uncomfortable thing to talk about in and of itself, so the people who are advocating for the right to make that choice, when they go no mechanically, physically this is what occurred, you are always walking into an area where you might set back your conversation by people's ick factor being set off, whereas if somebody says if a woman is legitimately raped her body has a way of shutting that thing down is just -- you know, how do you answer that without going okay. you are a crazy person. >> right. >> and you have no idea how biology works at all, and you have this magic fairy dust idea of what health care is. >> and you have been elected to congress. >> right. and you are on the health and human services committee. because we're going on the

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"stephanie miller show." i'm hal sparks with jacki schechner. we're going to take your calls. >> it's just your opinion man. >> next hour we are going to get into -- >> full blown snowden. >> full blown snowden. which is not like nailing pail listen at all. it's a totally different thing. let's go to ann in connecticut. >> caller: hi, hal, how are you doing? >> i'm good. and everybody on the phone try to keep it tight. >> caller: okay. i'll make it quick. i know you talked about the rape things and the things that come out of their mouths is incredible. but getting back to texas it always kills me in lower inform areas, the republicans complain about these women that have children, and they want to stop the welfare, but then they want

to stop the ability to have an abortion if they wanted one. >> right. this is the confluence of fiscal conservatism butting up against a religious believe from a big old man in the sky. these two things are hitting, and they create the most odd mix of ideas. on the one hand don't -- you -- i want a soldier standing next to you to make sure you carry this baby to term, and if you have a miscarriage, we're going to have an investigation to make sure it wasn't murder, and then once it's born, child care, head start, food stamps nothing. >> caller: i know. it's like why would you not want this young girl who was maybe

raped or something to go ahead and have an abortion of a child that -- later on are you going to pay to help raise them? where are all of those anti-aborg people -- >> exactly. they have this survival of the fittest -- remember it wasn't so bad when we had orphanage, a bunch of them died but they were quitters anyway in the game of life. these is where they are coming from. >> insurance companies do the same thing, by the way. theying won't cover preventative procedures that would be less expensive than having to endure the cost of treating cancer or whatever. >> exactly. let's go to melody in kansas. >> caller: hi, there. i just wanted to make a point about the laws that the red states are passing, i think alec is behind a lot of that.

there was a thing on bill maher that went through what alec wanted. it's on his website and it's really worth watching and listening to. >> yeah, there has certainly been a strategic move since roe. they will hammer at it from whatever direction they can to break it down. the weird part is it has created all of these secondary attacks to justify wanting to get rid of this right. and a lot of that ends up being not all rapes are real and even so much as a statistical majority of them are not real, and therefore, women who are attacked should use the term accuser instead of victim -- >> caller: it's so repulsive, you can't even -- they have been -- i mean there's a

whole -- this alec, this is part of the thing. they wine and dine these senator and legislatures and bring these bills up and end up passing in these state houses and it is really disgusting and it's -- i don't think a lot of people know about this -- >> yeah. >> caller: i didn't know about it and i'm pretty tuned in to it. and a lot of legislators are being controlled and paid by by alec. if people would look at bill moyer's sight -- >> we'll check it out. let's go to bruce in detroit. hey, bruce. >> caller: how are you doing? >> good. >> caller: my opinion about this is i feel this is just another way for the republican party to get back to that old ozzie and harriet donna reid thing. they are going to stop

premarital sex, and the only people that will have sex is if you are straight and married and you want to raise two kids. >> i think you are right. this is social engineering. if you can make it scary enough the idea of sex scary enough we're not going to let you have an hpvshg -- hpv vaccine. we're not going to let you get an abortion even if the baby is dead inside of you, we're going to make you carry it. we'll be back with more after this on the "stephanie miller show."

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>> the last thing said before we went on the air, by jacki schechner who is about to give you the news was it was a cheese-a-palooza. >> i went to wine count think over the weekend. >> i think it is better you don't tell the story. >> turns out there is such a thing as too much cheese. >> have you been to the midwest lately? there could be counties called there is such a thing as too much cheese. >> lovely. we in a 5-4 decision today the supreme court has ruled on the voting right's act. it decided that the formula

congress uses to determine whether or not a state has to get federal justice department pre-approval to make changes to the process is unconstitutional. congress is going to have to come up with a new formula to decide which states have to go through that process. in 1965 there was plenty of evidence that white officials were suppressing the black vote. but today the court rules the parameters changed, and when congress reauthorized the voting rights act it was relying in outdated data. from the past election there were plenty of examples of states trying to suppress the minority vote. >> oh very distinctively. and the formula should be bigger not smaller, and much more

technologically advanced. they are doing a literacy test or an english -- >> but they are shutting down early voting, and making it more difficult for people with full-time jobs to get to the polls. >> right. and the ability to have a voting machine that works in your district should be the primary one, and then the protection against your vote being tampered with. >> right. >> and then we'll get into this in the next hour but edward snowden is missing at the moment, sort of. russia says they don't know where he is, but he is now at the airport in moscow. he was supposed to turn up at the airport for a flight to cuba, didn't show for the flight, but putin just verified he is still in the transit area of the airport which might as well be siberia. >> yeah, i'm sure.

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are you encouraged by what you heard the president say the other night? is this personal, or is it political? a lot of my work happens by doing the things that i'm given to doing anyway, by staying in touch with everything that is going on politically and putting my own nuance on it. in reality it's not like they actually care. this is purely about political grandstanding. i've worn lots of hats, but i've always kept this going. i've been doing politics now for a dozen years. (vo) he's been called the epic politics man. he's michael shure and his arena is the war room. >> these republicans in congress that think the world ends at the atlantic ocean border and pacific ocean border. the bloggers and the people that are sort of compiling the best of the day. i do a lot of looking at those people as well. not only does senator rubio just care about rich people, but somehow he thinks raising the minimum wage is a bad idea for the middle class. but we do care about them right?

♪ ♪ it's a beautiful day ♪ ♪ don't let it get away ♪ >> you figured oh, you are the loser, you know? a dead beat. >> well, aren't ya? >> well, yeah. >> welcome back to the show i'm hal sparks filling in for steph and the mooks while they are on vacation. we have a bunch of calls that have been holding for quite sometime, and also we are going to talk this hour about snowden. that's right. those calls you wanted to put in yesterday when the phones were not working they are now working. i want to go to these calls. let's go to judy in new york. >> caller: good morning, morning

sweet sweet sweety. how are you? >> i'm doing all right. the phones are working and tony is not panicking. >> caller: good morning, jacki. >> good morning. >> caller: i'm calling about that trayvon martin. [ inaudible ] >> that's why they try to keep their kids out of college if you noticed. >> caller: that's like when i was filling my ice cube trays with hot water, and my granddaughter said why are you doing that grandma? and i said it's called molecular velocity. any way. with this zimmerman nonsense you notice that that video they showed of him when he was first taken to the police station. that has disappeared.

>> yeah. >> caller: now know why? >> because there were no marks on him. >> that's right. there was not on the back of his head. not a thing. i had my glasses on at the time so i saw -- >> i think the prosecution will play that at soming point. >> i hope so. but i think jacki is absolutely right. his attorney is making these outlandish insane comments to try to get a mistrial. >> i think that's a -- i hear you, but i have to say that would be the craziest strategy ever. >> i don't definitively think that is what is happening, but there is no good explanation for why somebody would that be stupid. and nobody on the team turned around and said to him, dude, not a good idea. >> yeah. let's go to joan?

nashville. >> caller: yes, i wanted to talk about the zimmerman trial. >> sure. >> caller: it's my understanding that george zimmerman made a decision that resulted in his being on trial right now, because all he had to do was to follow the suggestion of the person who answered the 911 call -- or not 911 call but answered his call. >> right. >> caller: he told the dispatcher where the police could meet him, which was at the end of the front entrance to the complex at the mailbox and all he had to do was stay in his car, and even if trayvon martin had bad intentions, if george zimmerman had stayed in his car with the doors locked waiting for the police, he would not be in the situation that he is in now, so there is no way that he can get away from the responsibility for the decision

that he made. >> especially using the stand your ground law. and appreciate you bringing the point up, because i think that's what jacki was saying earlier. >> there wouldn't have been any confrontation had he not gotten out of his car. trayvon martin didn't come after him. he wasn't doing anything that was a threat to anybody else in the neighborhood. there was no reason to initiate that encounter. >> exactly. kathy, go ahead. >> caller: hi i just want you to hear me out on this please. >> okay. >> caller: i want america to hear me out on this is that when an 18-year-old kid -- and this is on melissa hairy perry the other day on sunday if i'm not mistaken. they took a poll on these kids and asking these black kids what their greatest accomplishment was, was living until they are

18 years old. this goes back to -- you know know -- it absolutely devastates me, this is women's rights, this is everybody's rights beside white american men's rights. it is absolutely infuriating. it devastates me to the core, and i tell you right now, i will fight it as hard as i can fight it, because it -- >> well, it is -- it is a problem when your main goal is just survival in a country like ours. i get it if you were in -- >> caller: it's amazing. >> it is absurd. in a country like somalia, i would buy that. >> caller: yeah, but we are supposed to be the number one country, and when we treat our own citizens like that, you have all of these people in the

republican party sitting there saying government is so bad, government is this and that and yet they spend millions to get into the government. what is that? >> well, because that's actually a gateway for the control they want. >> caller: exactly. they want their agenda and when are we going to wake up and sit there and see, women blacks minorities, when are you going to wake up and sit there and see this is just absolutely absurd. you listen to any of these politicians, with the exception -- and i'm not going to give democrats a blank check on this either. they have been in congress and the senate. they could have done something about this. doma, glass spiegel, all of this stuff -- >> right. >> caller: and obama is the only one that i have seen that i

literally -- i trust. i'm a 54-year-old white woman, and he is the only one i have ever voted for. >> interesting. that's great. i appreciate the call, kathy. pam in new hampshire is going to be with us in a second, because i want to hold her over until after the break. but let's get to bob in louisiana. >> caller: morning, hal. i have been switching back and forth. i have been watching the trial. they had the jury out of the room and they were talking about zimmerman had made between 1 and 200 calls to this 911 about different things that were -- cars that he didn't know. garage doors being open and the prosecution is trying to get this put into evidence, and the defense is trying to keep it out, but over a six-month period. they have a woman on the stand now who initiated the

neighborhood watch from 911 in august of 2011 and in a sixth-month period he made that many calls. >> right. it's interesting -- and i don't know how they would manage to keep that out, because that's just normal behavior it's one thing if they go a crime you may not have been convicted of but if it's just standard behavior that he admits to which he does, i don't think he would deny that he made those phone calls -- i mean if i was his defense attorney i would have him do that -- >> caller: in my mind he is a grown man living at home and i can only imagine he stays in his room and practices what he is going to say, what he is going to do when that time comes that he has got to confront somebody -- >> it certainly paints a picture of extreme paranoia. >> exactly. thanks so much.

let's go to randy in seattle. there you go. >> caller: yes, hi. just hearing these people talking about that they are on zimmerman's side about this, and it's just hard to believe that they don't have the feeling of -- you know what it's -- that's a 17-year-old kid. >> yeah. >> caller: i mean i have a 19 year old, and it would just -- i just can't understand why anybody would not feel for a kid being killed. >> yeah. >> caller: i mean -- >> and the other thing is. we sort of reeks as a -- one of the people i -- i do equate him more with a columbinesque mentality. he just found a way to justify it. i'm going to shoot up people that i feel are encroaching on my existence in a way i'm not comfortable with but instead of

going to a school or office to shoot people up i found a way around it, and the stand your ground law is the perfect mentality. he's like de niro in taxi driver this fixation that he had. but the reality is he's walking around -- he's stroking this gun, and the guy he is buying the gun from is using all sorts of racial epithets. that's the reality. you said your son is 19? >> caller: yeah, and it's just -- kids -- i'm sorry -- the people who are defending zimmerman and coming up with -- he had the concrete as his weapon. it's so ridiculous and unfeeling about the fact that --

>> let me ask this question. there's a skinny white kid walking home from the store with an ice tea and candy, because george zimmerman call the cops and say there is a suspicious kid walking through my neighborhood. >> right. >> that's the fundamental question. it's the color of his skin. >> and his hoodie. >> yeah, he wasn't threatening anybody or carrying any sort of dangerous equipment and/weapon. he was talking on the phone to his girlfriend. there is no other extenuating circumstance other than the color of his skin. >> and what his father must be going through, your son went to the store and never came back because this guy felt threatened enough by his very existence enough that he could walk up to

him and kill him. >> caller: yeah, it's just so sad. and to think that -- is it six women basically -- >> that's the whole jury. >> yeah, isn't it strange that it is only six? >> caller: yeah. i know that five of them have children or have had children and i just really hope that they can get that kind of, you know understanding about the situation that, you know, it's a child. and you don't just go around shooting children. >> yeah especially like unarmed children. that part is amazing to me. i appreciate the call and it's abpoint of view that i think needs to be raised. this vigilantly mentality. you have to carry a gun because america is a dangerous place, and i'm the last stand -- this video game mentality -- >> let's not blame video games.

because i have a real problem with that. >> oh, i do too. i mean the people who are armchairing this -- >> who look at this like a video game scenario. >> yeah. and are watching it like a movie playing out. we have to take a break. when we come back we'll talk about snowden. >> and now here is something we hope you'll really like. >> announcer: it's the "stephanie miller show."

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going to expedite him. you mentioned the tom hanks movie -- >> yeah. but the idea is because of how these things are laid out, if you haven't passed through customs, and you are not in that area, you are not technically that country's problem yet. and you can mess around -- >> how many of those little packs of peanuts can you eat? >> that would be if you are on the actual plane -- >> they don't throw him his way in the airport. >> the only thing we have left over is just kind of pig ear and this is what is left -- star bucks is closed until 12:04. like who has coffee at this hour? i mean i know you are a net guy -- these it guys drinking coffee until like 2:00 in the morning. just get off of pirate bay and

pull back for a while. [ laughter ] >> so he is on his way -- according to julian assange he has papers to get him to ecuador on a political refugee status so he can hang out with julian assange living in -- >> the ecuadorean embassy? or actual ecuador. >> i think it's actual excuador. there was a quote that came out that said there is a difference between a leaker and a whistleblower. one reports a crime, and one commits me. and he has technically done both. on the one hand, i don't -- it's technically not criminal. there's a lot of legal jumping

around and underconstitutional -- >> well, he signed a contract -- >> he took an oath. >> yeah you take an oath to have a certain level of security clearance to work on your government -- to protect it against enemies -- >> and he said yesterday that he took the job specifically to get that information which is fraud as well. there are many people that think the information he gave out about the nsa and the prism program is reason enough for all of the other things he did. i disagree. >> me too. >> and the fact that he left with laptops with the encryption ability to get back in for days and weeks later means that all of that stuff is now available to all of those countries he is

flying through -- >> yeah you sound like you are a patriot when you do that? >> yeah, i get you are not going to go to a direct ally because you are fighting extradition, but there has to be a watery zone in there. that being said. it's these countries with like egregious. he went to china saying you know the u.s. is spying on you. first of all duh. second of all, they are spying on us. they have been shutting down systems in the united states. >> what do you think the nsa does? >> right. >> you work for the nsa and then fraudulently take a job at booz allen hamilton and what do you think they are doing? >> right. >> there is a clear distinction between having the conversation about what the nsa does, the

patriot act, the legality of what, and what we should be doing and what we should condone, and i'm happy to have that conversation. but there's another conversation to have about who this kid is and what he did. and the level of audacity to think that you as a 29 year old kid -- and i bring up the age, because i think there is a lack of life experience at some point, to think you have the right to make the decision to determine what is and isn't in america's best interest and national security. >> yeah, and what is the difference between espionage when you are selling information versus when you just want to take down the government system that you think is right. we'll be back with your calls. 1-800-steph-1-2. >> "viewpoint" digs deep into the issues of the day. >> do you think that there is any chance we'll see this president even say the words "carbon tax"? >> with an open mind...

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>> ford loves the working man, don't trust whitey see a doctor and get rid of it. >> welcome back. i'm hal sparks filling in for steph and the mooks. and we're talking snowden. a lot of people who wanted to call yesterday. and pam in new hampshire has been holding on for quite sometime. hi, pam, are you there? >> caller: hi, hal, how are you? >> good, thanks. republican i'm an exrepublican. i went to high school with sarah palin and voted for her as mayor. she was not a psycho back then. but everything we have been discussing going to snowden. i think he is a traitor, and i think these reporters and members of congress on both the

left and the right coming out, i didn't know the bill was going to do this then you need to fight it or you don't sign a bill that you don't read or you don't sign a bill that you don't question. and as far as john mccain saying, oh obama needs to be tougher on russia and china. what have they heard for the last seven years? he is a muslim. he's a terrorist. so they don't have any respect for him, when we don't show him respect. >> yeah. >> caller: what is obama supposed to do when these world leaders have seen the republicans treat this man like crap even when he goes overseas they dog him. which stops at the water's edge -- >> when he has got no recourse within the house of representatives, at what point does a world leader get to take

what he says seriously -- >> caller: that's what i'm trying to say. >> immigration anything. >> caller: and everything that you guys have been talking about this morning is all of you whiny liberals, and i am one of them are going to sit home next year, and women are going to be gone your rights for voting has already been struck down this morning, so you want to sit home and pout obama never said he wasn't going to do this. he said he was going to go through the courts. so you guys who want to sit home next year, women will have no more rights. it will be harder to vote. everything -- climate change everything you guys want will be gone. >> right. >> caller: so i think everyone has a choice to make but i don't think he is a hero. we don't know what he has. we could get hurt. or someone could hurt him if they want that information -- >> that was my case is that -- if he dies -- if he is

killed in russia or ecuador or whatever, there is a section of the population from greenwald supporters to the far right alex jones of the world who will think he is just snuffed and we'll continue this march of distrust in the government to the point where people won't vote the next time around. and that's an easy enough strategy for almost any low-end political actor in the world militarily to go send somebody in to kill this guy, and now we have a vested interest in keeping this guy alive. >> caller: yeah, because we don't know what he has, and how bad would putin want it. >> right. >> caller: you have the person who co-authored the patriot act going i didn't realize it would

do this. >> yeah, he was one of the drafters of it, and he doesn't understand this is the ramification of it? then he shouldn't be in office. let's go to john in detroit. hey, john. >> caller: hey, how are you doing? i think a lot of the problem with the snowden nsa thing is it's a lot of hypotheticals to a lot of people who are ignorant. i think the fundamental issue is if someone signed a contract -- people say he signed an oath. even if someone sees something that conflicts with their conscious, can they just say nothing? so i think that's one issue, and the second issue is i'm not sure you can talk about it -- i hear a lot of -- i think it's kind of a sense of elitism, and [ inaudible ] attacks where we hear, he didn't have a diploma,

or he is 29. it is like bradley manning who was a low-ranking official, but he saw a murder in iraq. and i understand sometimes we have to do bad things in this world in order to achieve good things in the end, but just because someone signs an oath doesn't mean it's just a -- a complete [ inaudible ] by the state and you can't do anything about that. >> i agree. i will say insofar as -- >> let's not compare edward snowden to bradley manning anymore. >> i will agree with you on that. >> it's not the same circumstance, and you are not the first person to do it and you won't be the last, but i'm so tired of people making that comparison. it's two totally different situations, and i don't think we know enough about snowden and this situation yet to put it in the same camp with bradley manning. >> and bradley manning released a video of a murder basically,

of -- of -- a video showing soldiers gunning down what turned out to be reuter's photographers at this scene, which is a direct crime, and made that come out. snowden had a problem with a program that was tacitly legal and deserving of debate, and i believe deserving of repeal of that law and released that same information. i don't think that is the same thing, especially because bradley manning felt like there was nothing being done, because he worked with had seen this murder, and did nothing to act to suppress it. as opposed to snowden disagreeing with what the nsa was doing, and felt the need to release that information, and then went into it with the full expectation that he was going to do this which is fraudulent.

and i don't have a problem with his age or having a ged or him being just kind of an it -- >> the previous caller said that. and i understand why she's coming from. i understand this is a young kid. i just think it's irrelevant to whether or not this is some time of moral immorality. but the issue is different than the -- content. can someone who signed an oath is it just -- like because i always see -- >> the question is do you have another resource besides going to the press about it? >> yeah. >> do you have a chain of command that you can say technically this program is -- as an it person this is illegal? or this is moving outside of the realm of what we should be doing. and the question is, is that in

place? technically it is. did he take advantage of it? he said he didn't go to the "new york times," because they sat on an nsa spying story for a year during an election in 2004. >> well it is kind of a secondary issue, i think "new york times," cnn, fox news are more or less wrestling entertainment outfits. >> he didn't go to amy goodman -- >> go ahead. i'm sorry. >> he didn't go to amy goodman. he went to glen greenwald who works for the guardian, is a libertarian, and very much anti-obama, and has been for a long time.

and laura poitrus -- and i don't have a problem with people when they seay -- >> caller: i just want to make one more comment. >> yeah, sure. >> caller: all of this has to come in the context of one the patriot act. and two, we just got over, i think three american citizens were were assassinated by this government. [ inaudible ] for all intents and purposes was from what we know factually a youtube religious nut. >> what we know factually actually what was released after the fact was that he was involved in planning not just the associative messaging -- >> the government never charged him with that, though. they just killed him. >> he was charged in one of the governmental courts. there's a secret court that is

going one of the reasons that court is secret is if -- the same reason that sometimes a police officer drives 65 miles an hour through a neighborhood with his lights off, because if he approaches with his lights on, the people involved in the crime will either shoot someone or leave. and technically speaking if you are coming from the point of view of transparency, there should be no circumstance where the police announce they are coming from ten blocks away. so there has to be some element of that. this idea that we're going to have full transparency -- >> caller: i never said full transparency >> no but the story came out afterwards, because they couldn't release that information. >> caller: this is a new

political philosophy that i'm aware of in some terrorism aspect, if they are not able to test somebody, not based on somebody we know, we can just kill them. >> it's not as -- >> and it's not knew at all. and insofar as the military code of conduct, we have been able to shoot our own soldiers simply for running away -- >> caller: but that is in a battlefield context. if i go rob a bank right? and i'm shooting at people obviously i can be shot at. but if someone is simply -- >> planning a bank robbery? >> caller: how do you know that? this is my problem it's a self fulfilling prophecy if they say well, he was planning to do terrorist activity and so therefore we can kill him. the whole burden of proof premise is gone. >> i wouldn't say it's gone --

>> caller: kill [ overlapping speakers ] >> yeah but there are many situations where in so far as racketeering, and ricco laws, when you know a continuing crime ring is going on, and the police know it is continuing. they have information that drugs are coming in and out of building, that this guy is coordinating them -- hold on. let me complete the thought and i want to hear what you have to say about it. then they go okay. we're sending swat to arrest -- law enforcement does that worldwide has forever. as a law enforcement act, as a non-military act the drone strike aspect of things falls more under that per view legally

than it does under an act of war. i'm not saying the right or wrongs of it i'm saying that's how it happens. but we look at it as battlefield tactic. and that's now how it is playing out at all, and not how i should. and if you are looking at why we are sending drones to kill people because there has never been a flag-draped coffin with a drone in it. >> caller: i'm thinking the threat could be exaggerated for nefarious reasons. for example, i may take a youtube video -- >> you are making the assumption that that's the only thing -- and i understand the concern in that regard but it's not based on the way it is playing out. the people that are being

specifically targeted in these situations. and with snowden he is making this youtube-like decision about, the government acts like this, and it kills people won danley and just by sifting through everybody's phone lines and concocting these ideas about its of its political enemies, that's a big stretch for a lot of people. that gives me the right to not only -- and we have got to take a break. and i appreciate you at least having the conversation with me. but it's one thing to say i have to let people know about the prism system. that's important to me. i don't think the american people know. and i'm going to be a man on the run for the rest of my life because of what i know. the problem is he took four laptops with him and went straight to china and russia and other places.

>> and i'll add another thread too. >> when we get back. i appreciate the call. i'm hal sparks filling in this week. >> whoo! >> tomorrow will be the big doma thing. a few more minutes and we're going to take more of your calls. we'll be right back. >> ladies and gentlemen, prepare yourselves for a shock. >> announcer: it's the "stephanie miller show." ♪

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today they decided to rule that section 4 of the voting rights act is unconstitutional because the system they used to determine whether a state is complying was outdated and congress needs to come up with a new system. >> and seeing how efficient congress is -- >> yeah that will happen. >> i bet we could do it by sneaking it into the repeal of obamacare bill. >> oh, the 38th one. >> yeah. let's go to sophia in kentucky. >> caller: hey, hal, how are you. >> i'm good. you are calling from my home state. >> caller: yes, i am. you are a very funny man. i'm a little concerned about a lot of this stuff.

i wish we would start focusing on snowden all together. if he is a narcissist that would do the trick, if he is not, and we're focusing on the information, that's what he wants allegedly. and i think the point he is trying to make is that multinational corporations have drowned our government in grover norquist's bathtub and is using our government as a fund for corruption. and i don't think it is our government that is evil i think it's a the corporations that have been contracted by our government to do these things and i think that's what he is trying to point out. >> i hear you. and thanks for the call sophia. you and i were talking during the break about how he was saying it is not about him, and then immediately tried to make

it about him. >> yeah you can't turn around and say you have this fundamental belief and you want this belief to be out there and let people debate the merits of this program and step back from it, if you say it's not about me, and then you do a 16-minute video, and then do a piece on -- and it's all about you every step of the way. and you can't take the information in a vacuum when you are constantly making you the story. and i compare this to the guy that released the 47% romney video. and then we didn't know who he was. then it came out later, and discussed it, and that's great.

we have that story. but for me you can't take it in a vacuum. this kid lied about his education from what we know. from a guy like glenn greenwald who lives elsewhere and has some strong opinions about the united states government. it doesn't discount the conversation we need to have about the patriot act and nsa and the surveillance of the government -- >> well, the irony is if you look at public opinion, that this is becoming very much a focus on snowden, and when you really start asking the american people about the prism program, a vast majority of them especially younger people are shrugging it off and going what did you expect? and if your whole purpose was to bring it down and make people realize that their freedom is in danger, it's a terrible way of

doing it. and it becomes this narcissistic machinery that doesn't serve the ultimate purpose that you say it is supposed to serve. tomorrow i'm sure we'll be talking about this, because he is apparently in a transient lounge -- >> do they have a vodka bar? >> oh, i'm sure. all right. thank you jacki schechner, thank you tony and i will see you tomorrow. and kick in on this discussion on twitter @halsparks. we'll see you tomorrow on the "stephanie miller show." ♪