next, and cenk is back on monday. thanks, turk, had a great time. >> thank you. >> john: we'll be joined by michael tomasky of "newsweek" and the "daily beast." julian assange of wikileaks is helping nsa leaker edward snowden as much as he can from his asylum in the ecuadorian embassy. after staying there over a year, i hope he likes ecuadorian food. we'll be joining his lawyer in studio next. our special panel of comedic nonexperts, tonight we play a game of the men who will never ever be president! and in tonight's f bomb commentary we'll explore the anti-gay conservatives who oppose the supreme court's rulings on gay marriage and why

they're the real drama queens. today is the birthday of kelly ayotte vera wang and j.j. abrams who gets to make all of the new "star trek" films and "star wars" films. i've got a bad feeling about this. this is "viewpoint." >> john: i'm john fuglesang. this is "viewpoint." thank you for joining us tonight. president obama played down the global chase for nsa leaker edward snowden today on a visit to senegal saying he hasn't called the presidents of china or russia over the case because it's purely a legal issue. clearly peeved by the on-going saga, obama said he was not going to raise the stakes by intercepting a flight carrying snowden should he leave russia. >> obama: no, i won't be scrambling jets to get a

29-year-old hacker. >> john: that's too bad for the hollywoods already imagining the movie because ben affleck has you scrambling jets in his film sir. it has been amplified by reports that he did not fly to havana, cuba and remains in russia for now. putin said snowden was free to leave russia and whacked poetic saying... that's funnier with a russian accent. the sooner he choose his final destination, the better it will be for us and him. and the rest of us, as well, sir. meanwhile, wikileaks is in the game helping mr. snowden apply for political asylum in ecuador. a country that's now going into its second year sheltering julian assange at their london embassy. joining us now is michael ratner president emeritus or

the center of constitutional rights and the u.s. attorney for julian assange and wikileaks. what a pleasure to have you on "viewpoint." >> nice to be with you john. >> john: there are so many questions i want to ask and so little time. mr. assange came forward recently to say that mr. snowden is safe and healthy and he's reportedly hanging out in a travel lounge somewhere in russia. so what role is wikileaks and assange playing in the snowden case. >> i'm the lawyer for wikileaks and assange in the united states. publicly, they said they helped facilitate getting him out of hong kong. they've given him diplomatic advice. someone from wikileaks organization, their legal part apparently accompanied ed snowden. at this point, the last we heard about where he was was really from president putin that said he was in the transit lounge at the moscow airport. it is interesting what's gone

on. mr. putin, president putin made a strong statement saying that his view, ed snowden has a human rights quality about what he's done. they would not send him to the united states. but that he probably should go to another country and indicating they don't really want him in russia. president obama as you said, said that this is a legal matter. in fact, it is not a legal matter. it is completely a political matter. it is a question of is another country going to give him asylum. is another country going to accept ed snowden. is the u.s. going to put so much pressure on the small countries of the world that might give it to him. venezuela, ecuador, that they have to fold? so far, i think the most amazing news to me today was that ecuador said we will not be bullied by the united states. ecuador has trade preferences that allow them to sell, i guess, broccoli and roses et cetera, cheaply to the united states without tariffs and

that's coming up in july. >> john: they're willing to risk it. >> they said today. we don't care about the tariffs. we will not be bullied. that's an incredible statement by a south american country considering the history of our country's domination of south american. >> john: i look forward to sean hannity screaming about them any day. when you say wikileaks has helped them, we're talking financially. >> they did say wikileaks said they had paid for his ticket out of hong kong. >> john: anything accompanied by a colleague of yours? >> no, not a colleague of mine. >> john: legal personnel? >> somebody that wikileaks has who is from the u.k. what's interesting about having to pay for his ticket or paying for his ticket is it indicates that ed snowden has no money. let's think about that for a second. all of the charges about ed snowden is this and that. he hasn't sold anything to anybody. his statement was really, i thought, beautiful about why he was doing what he did but it is an indication that he really took a huge risk in doing it. >> john: what would you say legally are mr. snowden's options at this point?

>> mr. snowden is free to leave russia as president putin said. he has to find a country that is logical to take him and stand up the onslaught of the united states. so far, he has applied to ecuador for asylum. ecuador seems promising to take him although it is a very small country. nine million people. not a lot against the united states. venezuela would be another one. then you're talking about the two big countries left in the world, china and russia and ed snowden has indicated he didn't want to go to either of those countries because he doesn't want to be seen as really involved in those countries. he wants to be seen as having disclosed what's happening to the american people but also to people around the world with this massive surveillance system. >> john: do you think mr. snowden could have possibly handled the situation in any way differently? if you were advising him from the beginning, would you have suggested he would protest in any different ways? >> i would not have recommended

he use the whistle blowing system set up in the united states. the people who have used that, thomas drake being one of them, got punished badly, got indicted for espionage and got out from that. the other thing about whistle blowing within the u.s., this massive surveillance program that's taking in all of this data on you and i and everybody in this country and everybody probably around the world has been approved, sadly by people in congress, by the executive and by a secret court. so what kind of whistle blowing could he do when all of the governmental powers are essentially against him. he had no real choices. >> john: essentially everybody is he blowing the whistle on is legal. >> under this country's terms -- >> john: the new legal. >> i was thinking about -- i'm a child of the '70s, had this happened in the '70s, people would be screaming. when we had the entire surveillance system, the fbi going after us in the united states, there were church

committee hearings, it was huge. now we're seeing almost very little said about this whole system. instead, they want a car chase and they put o.j. simpson on in the car chase. that's what they're doing. people should be concerned by this massive surveillance system. >> john: i think a lot of them are. we had michael moore sitting in that chair a few days ago. he has a lot of high profile advocates as well as high profile critics. what is the status of wikileaks as an organization because a lot of us were surprised he went to our friend, glen greenwald at the "the guardian," he's been on the show many times and didn't actually go through julian assange from wikileaks. >> wikileaks distributes documents. they look at them before they distribute them but they distribute documents. they don't write the articles on them and so he went to a person like glen greenwald who san outstanding journalist. i remember i used to write articles for a couple of the magazines he did. once i saw his articles, i said what am i bothering for? i think he went to somebody with a broad outlet.

"the guardian" is a broad newspaper who would write up the articles in a way people could consume them. i don't know what was in his head. >> john: could he have gone through -- that's a spy by the way, from nsa, could he have gone to wikileaks? does wikileaks have the infrastructure to release data like this? >> wikileaks has released significant amount of data. it released a kissinger diplomatic files, the syria e-mails and a number of what's called the stafford e-mails. wikileaks has been steadily releasing material and very interesting material. >> john: i would like to talk to you for a second about the difference between snowden and manning. and wikileaks and journalists like james rosen and others who have been targeted in very different ways as of late. it seems like activism and journalism are merging in a way. i would argument i guess that's always been the case going back to henry or jack reed. we've had a long history of this. do you see this as being a new trend?

this will be the new influential kind of journalism. we have the internet which allows massive dissemination as well as massive collection. you get out much more strongly what your message is and i think the government is concerned by that. they're concerned by people being able to get material off the internet and material they think ought to be protected and therefore, they're hitting the people with what we call a new crime, the conspiracy to commit journalism which is what we sort of call what's happening. if you look at rosen's case, it tells me how -- about what's going on. james rosen was a journalist for fox news and then when they wanted to go after his source, they got a search warrant against james rosen based on the fact that they said he was a co-conspirator with the source. that's really serious. and fox and he deserves to be defended, obviously. the problem is, of course, when julian assange did what he did they accused him of course of similar coconspiratorrer with bradley manning and fox said let's bury him in the ground.

>> john: sarah palin called him a traitor. >> you have to start -- you have to start with the most vulnerable when you defend him. and that's what we have to do in this country because if you look at where these people are look at julian assange is in the embassy, can't leave. bradley manning as we speak is in the closing part of the prosecution's case at fort meade. he could spend life in prison for what he's doing. jeremy hammond the stratford actor, the private intelligence company is sitting at metropolitan correctional center. ed snowden is in the airport at russia. we're talking about a serious attack on information that we ought to have to be in a democracy. >> john: like many, i was confused by the charge of espionage since as you point out, sir mr. snowden was working for any other country. he wasn't getting paid for it. he's very much a leaker and so, i guess my question to you is do you acknowledge that he broke the law? >> well, he -- under american law, yes, what he did was he had a security clearance and then he

signed a paper that said he wouldn't reveal that and there are laws against revealing secure documents. on the other hand, when you're a whistle-blower, the law is also -- and people have argued this and been acquitted based on this, when you demonstrate government criminality or deceit that that is above that particular lawyer breaking and you're a whistle-blower and you're protected. one of the reasons ed snowden is entitled to asylum is because asylum actually overcomes the claim that he broke the law. you're given asylum for expressing political opinion. political opinion even in this country is considered to be truth telling and whistle-blowers. therefore, it overcomes that technical argument that you broke the law. >> john: of course, julian assange is still stuck in the u.k. what's going on with his case? >> he took refuge in the embassy of ecuador. he was given political asylum by the ecuadorians for the same

reasons i just said which is whistle-blower protected speech. people have said he's in there because he doesn't want to go to sweden and answer questions about sexual misconduct allegations. in fact, that's not the case. why he's in there, we've had recent articles, just recently, one about the case in the united states against him. if he winds up going to sweden, it is a one-way ticket to a prison in the united states. that's what i've told him that. i think the united states is really after a major investigation around him. and what we've asked is the swedish come to the embassy in london and ask him the questions they want. there's no charges in sweden. just ask him the questions. the swedish won't. which makes you think there's some reason they want to get him out of there and into sweden and have a one-way ticket to here. >> john: how do you see it playing out with assange and snowden? >> i think we're at an amazing point in this country and decade about the collision between the government controlling the knowledge that the people ought to have and controlling the internet and people are going to expose it.

i don't know how it's going to come out. let's hope it comes out on the side of an open democracy and not a closed system. as i say often democracy dies behind closed doors. let's hope we don't have that. >> john: michael ratner is julian assange's lawyer here in the states. thank you so much for joining us this evening. >> john, thank you. >> john: what a pleasure. a sweeping immigration reform bill passes the senate with close to 70 votes which is exactly how many votes it's going to get in the house. michael tomasky joins us next.

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right with the law and start down the pathway to citizenship. >> john: after years of failure, will the new immigration bill make it through the house? let's ask the great michael tomasky, special correspondent for the "daily beast." michael, thank you once again for joining us on "viewpoint." >> thanks for having me, john. >> john: lot of ground to cover! first off, we should offer some praise to the senate for actually getting something passed in this decade. so what's in the bill? >> what's in the bill? two main things. first, the toughened border security measures we know about that were toughened up in the last couple of weeks by a republican amendment putting $46 billion more into border security double, the number of guards, other measures like that. more fencing. that's the one main thing. other main thing is the path to citizenship. a 13-year process for the 11 million undocumented people here in this country. 13 years. at least is it is a path. there are agreements about levels of different kinds of visas, high-skilled worker visas

which we're short of. low-skilled worker visas guest workers, all of those kinds of things. there are dream act provisions, very generous, actually, dream act provisions that entitle dreamers, as they're called, potentially to become citizens in five years instead of 133. that's the summary. >> john: well, that's terrific. i'm relieved now that illegal immigration is at a net zero increase that we're spending $46 billion to build a fence to keep people out who aren't coming in, thank you fiscally responsible conservatives. michael, what are the biggest compromises that were made to the bill by each side? >> the biggest compromise by the democrats was that. going for that more border security in order to get the republican votes. the other compromise democrats made was on the pat leahy measure that they dropped. this was a measure to allow same-sex couples petitioning for path to citizenship to sponsor their partners or spouses and

proceed down the path toward citizenship like heterosexual couples. now, that has been moot by the supreme court decision, the doma decision. so now it doesn't matter whether congress does or does not do anything about that. as a result of that supreme court decision, those people, those people in the same sexual relationships have the right. but the democrats dropped it and at the time, it seemed like a big compromise on their part. but their main compromise is the border security. the republicans, it has to be said, the 14 republicans who did vote for this, they did swallow a little bit right? they accepted -- they accepted a path to citizenship without what are called in the argo, hard triggers which is what the majority of republicans the 32 or so who voted against wanted. which means really hard targets about border security before the path to citizenship could even start. before that 13-year process could even start. in some respects, john, this was

an example of, you know, good, old-fashioned bipartisanship to some extent. >> john: what are the chances the bill will survive in the house, michael? >> zero. let me say -- >> john: any form of it? >> well, you know, they're not going to take up this bill at all. according to what john boehner says. they're going to pursue their own bill. and we'll see what their bill looks like. their bill is going to have, presumably, much tougher border security measures, even tougher and path to citizenship, i don't know. may not even have one at all. probably won't have one at all. now, if it doesn't have one at all, then, of course, you know the process. your viewers know the process. there is a senate bill, a house bill, then they go into conference to try and iron out the differences between their two versions and come up with a final bill that goes back to each house for a final vote. if there's no path to

citizenship in the house bill, this was all about really, a path to citizenship. i don't imagine that there's anything to iron out in a conference committee. so it just kind of dies sometime between now and december is the probable guess of most people, unfortunately. >> john: congress has wasted our time yet again. what fun. let's move on to the issue of whether the i.r.s. unfairly targeted tea party groups as they tried to get nonprofit status because they're all social welfare organizations and aren't political at all. the treasury inspector general sent a letter this week essentially saying the i.r.s. was not as tough on progressive groups even though they were also scrutinized. what did you make of that letter? >> very strange. russell george is the man's name. the treasury department's inspector general who oversaw this investigation at the request of darrell issa. and he has contradicted himself here and there in testimony

dating back to may, in some things that were said by his spokesperson earlier this week and then finally by this letter today. it's very complicated and i'm -- to be perfectly honest with you i'm confused about it myself. but basically it comes down to the scope of this investigation at the beginning. darrell issa says he only asked about whether tea party-related groups were being investigated. russell george has said some things that indicate that was the case and some things that indicate that the investigation was much broader from the beginning. and so he's going to be presumably asked back up to capitol hill. the democrats wanted to testify. the republicans probably don't. to try and iron -- sort of sort out these contradictions in this testimony. the short term effect, i think of georgia's letter today is that it helps politically darrell issa for the time being

because he can say that you see it was still basically targeting conservative groups. not really progressive groups. so there's still something to look at here. that's what he's going to say. >> john: despite the fact emerge america lost their tax-exempt funding hand to disclose donors and this didn't happen to a single conservative group. i want everyone to read your piece on the fizzle of the i.r.s. scandal on the "daily beast." on the doma ruling, kansas congressman says he will introduce an amendment to ban gay marriage and go over the supreme court's head because he can do that. how do you think this and the rest of the inevitable backlash is going to play out? >> the backlash is going to be huge. it is going to be huge in certain parts of the country culturally but i don't know that it's going to amount to much politically. tim's amendment won't go anywhere in the united states senate. the bottom line is the public opinion is on the side of same-sex marriage so there will be jurisdictions there will be house districts and there will be state senate races where i

suppose the backlash kicks in and the right can use it as a wedge issue but there will be other districts in states where the person who supports same-sex marriage will get an advantage from that. >> john: sounds like a lot of moment mow phobic politicians will make a lot of money off of homophobic voters and not do anything for them. thank you michael tomasky for joining us. you're the oracle. >> thank you. >> john: the alaska state legislature is smokin' at the taxpayer's expense.

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>> john: we conclude our week-long wtf alaska series with a story about alaska state legislators, a hard-working bunch of folks dedicated to getting things done for alaska state legislators. recently they approved two capitol building projects, $13.7 million renovation of the capitol itself and $74,000 for what was described as "a capitol stair landing" which i assumed was a convenient place for a lobbyist to meet with state representatives and any of their other loyal employees but as it turns out, this capitol stair landing they made room for is a smoker's lounge. now, this does seem like an odd state expenditure but it is preferable to turning the arctic national wildlife ref une into one gigantic ashtray. wtf, alaska. you're beautiful and it's true that many folks like to smoke a cig in the aftermath of sex, why

should alaska taxpayer foot the bill to pay for a place where alaska lawmakers can light up in the aftermath of screwing the public? now. (vo) she gets the comedians laughing and the thinkers thinking. >>ok, so there's wiggle room in the ten commandments, that's what you're saying. you would rather deal with ahmadinejad than me. >>absolutely. >> and so would mitt romney. (vo) she's joy behar. >>and the best part is that current will let me say anything. what the hell were they thinking?

>> john: we ask viewers like you what's your take on governor perry's comments on wendy davis? mary delong allen writes when he gets pregnant and left alone then he can have an opinion. couldn't agree with you more, mary. and we will be taking a closer look at governor perry shortly. first, we're trying out a new segment we hope will really clear the air for a lot of our more civilized viewers so when they go to the polls they'll have a better understanding of the philosophies facing the g.o.p. political landscape. we're proud to bring you men who will never be president! no! thank you. joining me for this important discussion are my esteemed

panel, the host of the paul mecurio show featuring an interview with jay leno and soon with my buddy paul mccartney, paul mecurio. next, forbes.com contributor rick ungar who took paul mccartney's place. >> bummer. >> john: sorry paul. and emmy winning comedian, writer actor and host of the overview, rick overton. welcome, gentlemen. let's kick things off with a man in the news a great deal lately. we know mary delong alen is no fan of this man. the condescending folk from texas. >> it is unfortunate she hasn't learned from her own example that every life must be given a chance to realize its full potential and that every life matters. >> john: that's the governor with the most executions in american history talking about life. and so, gentlemen why won't rick perry ever be president? paul?

>> well, because that quote right there. that every life must be given a chance to realize its full potential. at 63, he's nowhere near realizing his. >> i think maybe he has more than realized his full potential. >> comedy. >> he'll never be president because he doesn't know how to accept a bottle of maple syrup correctly. but why are we talking about this when this guy interviewed paul mccartney. >> john: paul mccartney -- i interviewed him several times. >> you guys have all the fun. >> john: rick overton why will rick perry never be president? >> well, you know, what with the whole -- there's two genders to the species. and there's a whole gender that's not too thrilled with him right now. >> john: let me ask you though, does he get any credence for the fact he has this shrewdly designed campaign that taxpayers helped chip in for saying come on down to texas and bring your business down here. obviously no one is going to pack up their business and move

to texas but it makes him look like a successful politician. >> you hit on something don't underestimate a governor of texas. the last governor of texas, what did we get? eight years after dick cheney white house. >> there is a serious other side to that. he's really pissing off a lot of governors around the country. he's literally doing something that's just not done. he's walking into their states right under their nose and trying to steal businesses. this doesn't play well in the political world. >> john: no, it doesn't. speaking of things that don't play well in the political world, let's move on to our next. jersey boy whose polling as the top prospect for 2016 but will never, ever be president and let's see why. >> i don't think the ruling was appropriate. i think it was wrong. you're talking about changing an institution that's over 2,000 years old. so i thought it was a bad decision. >> john: so, of course, he'll change his mind as soon as he gets the nomination.

why won't governor chris christie ever be the next president of the united states? paul mecurio? >> well, i think it is ironic, the whole gay marriage thing hurts him. he was able to weather super storm sandy but apparently one radio interview demolishes his presidential library. the issue is it is ironic he's against gay marriage when you consider the fact that emotionally, politically and financially, he's married to the koch brothers. >> john: he's also cruising the tea party. rick? >> i have to be honest and say i'm not so sure he can't be president. i don't know if he will be or not. >> john: how can he get the tea party nomination? >> i don't know if he can get the tea party. if he doesn't become president, it will have a lot to do with the fact that he doesn't quite grasp the concept of don't put rights up for a vote. >> john: exactly. he could beat hillary clinton. he's a much better public speaker and debater but i don't see how he ever gets the tea party to give him the nod. >> rick overton?

>> he's a windsock in a crosswind. that's the problem when you're trying to make effect change. zellik changed less often. >> john: rick went for the reference. a film that's 30 years old this year. to round off the republican trifecta, let's take a look at a guy that doesn't go away and keeps on staying really vulgar stupid mean, offensive crap. >> are you calling mitt romney a liar? >> yes. >> you're calling mitt romney a liar? >> well, you seem shocked by it. but yes. >> john: then he spent the next six months campaigning for mitt romney. as if i need to ask why won't newt gingrich be president? >> they were flirting with him. he's that edgy, dangerous candidate. he's that girl that you start flirting with at the bar. it is 3:00 in the morning and you're drunk and you realize she has five restraining orders.

rick, you've been there. >> john: we do congratulate newt gingrich in getting a job in the lame stream media he hates. why won't he be president? >> as much as they crack me up, nobody makes me laugh as much as him. >> john: are you looking forward to seeing him on "crossfire"? will he eat van jones for lunch every day on the show? >> they're going to pair him with stephanie cutter. >> john: i would like to see it. rick overton? >> he will never be president because the first lady will make the children cry. mommy, look at her eyes. >> what is cnn thinking? they're going to reboot a show that nobody wants with a candidate nobody wanted. what is zucker doing? contract for america? >> john: newt gingrich is a car crash that's hard to turn your eyes away. what a loss that msnbc loses -- a lot like new york's weather very hot and quite unpleasant.

here's a democrat who has recently -- we have to be fair. here's a democrat who was recently risen like a phoenix from the ashes but will still never reach the heights of the oval office. >> i'm here again today to again apologize for the personal mistakes i have made. and the embarrassment i have caused. i make this apology to my neighbors and my constituents but i make it particularly to my wife huma. today i am announcing my resignation from congress. >> good-bye, pervert. >> john: that was the jackals of breitbart. we have a lot of things we love about this man. why won't anthony weiner be president, paul? >> this is the one where i think there is a chance that he might. that's what frightens me. i blame bloomberg for this because he did not outlaw oversized egos. if he did that, we would have been in better shape in the city. >> i'm doing research on twitter

right this moment and speaking of not outlawing oversized things -- >> john: okay! >> very proud of yourself. >> john: and rick overton why will mr. weiner be president? >> he won't be president and i think howard dean put it best when he went yeah! >> john: howard dean could be president. that's another topic for another show. that concludes why will these men never be president. thank you for playing. i have to return this to the prop house now. thank you al jazeera. don't go away. my comedy panel will discuss why everyone in the media is piling on paula deen and someone else who is getting a lot of scorn. a friend of ours. go time. you know what time it is. go time! it's go time. it's go time. what time is it rob? here comes the young turks go time! it's go time. oh is it? oh, then it's go time.

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this show is about analyzing criticizing, and holding policy to the fire. are you encouraged by what you heard the president say the other night? is this personal, or is it political? a lot of my work happens by doing the things that i'm given to doing anyway, by staying in touch with everything that is going on politically and putting my own nuance on it. in reality it's not like they actually care. this is purely about political grandstanding. i've worn lots of hats, but i've always kept this going. i've been doing politics now for a dozen years. (vo) he's been called the epic politics man. he's michael shure and his arena is the war% room. >> these republicans in congress that think the world ends at the atlantic ocean border and pacific ocean border. the bloggers and the people that are sort of compiling the best of the day. i do a lot of looking at those people as well. not only does senator rubio just care about rich people, but somehow he thinks raising the minimum wage is a bad idea for

the middle class. but we do care about them right? >> john: welcome to the only tv show that has an entire segment devoted to glen greenwald and paula deen. paula deen's backlash she's received has been increasing like the big bang. before her interview with "the today show," she lost endorsements from food network and smithfield foods. what a difference a day makes. today, the list includes diabetes drugmaker nor disk, cesar's entertainment dropped her restaurants and target and walmart. it is a special circle of hell when walmart says you're too tacky for them. i'm here with paul mecurio and rick ungar and rick overton. let's jump into the fire that has been blazing in the kitchen of paula deen. sponsors, this woman has driven away more sponsors than lindsay

lohan did at betty ford. jesse jackson was on the show for damage control. he didn't mention her. is the situation too far gone or is this not the america we know and love where we love to see a comeback from a scandal? rick overton? >> well, the diehards will be loyal to her. she'll sell out her cookbook and that's kind of it without the other feed chains. they're not going to rebuy the recipe book once they got it, that's it. she'll sell out the last of that then she has to redesign herself and come back. she's coming back as the healthy version of paula deen and she will have this new lard juicer. lard juice is so much better. and now -- well, she's had to put some north in her mouth. >> john: rick, what do you think? does she need to rehab the image? >> i agree with rick. she's going to disappear for a year and she'll come back and i'm not kidding about this. she'll come back slim, she'll lose the weight, she'll come back slim, that will become the

story and she'll go back into this whole business of cooking more healthy with butter. >> john: a year. only appeal to vegans who are also racist. paul, do you think paula deen gets -- i hate -- this is a hypothetical question, does she get what's going on here or does she have this sense that she doesn't need to apologize? >> she does not get it. i agree with you. you look at the today show interview, it is not her fault her tear ducts are clogged with butter. but she didn't get it. look, it is not -- >> john: she wasn't crying. if she was really crying, she would look like that guy from the cure with all of the eyeliner. >> one thing we're sure of on "the today show," a woman can cry because matt lauer is there. here's the thing. diabetes is rejecting her. >> john: oh! [ laughter ] >> i understand her appendix put out a statement saying it wanted to be removed. [ laughter ] >> john: wow well, yeah, that

about sums it up. we kind an expression on the show, the ignoracist. rick, do you think that she gets a pass morally that she doesn't have any hate in her heart? >> of course not. i've been sitting here thinking about your people who put out twitters. they're going nuts. there are so many lines flying here. she's not going to get a pass. >> john: it is toast that's deep fried and battered. edward snowden as we all know has heat on him for whistle blowing on the nsa. but he's not the only one feeling the heat now. glen greenwald, "the guardian" and friend of this show who snowden first contacted in february is catching serious grief. and not just from nbc's david gregory. chuck todd and columnist andrew sorkin who said he would almost arrest greenwald but now things

are getting really personal on glen. apparently there is a smear campaign leaking details of glen's past including he might at one time hang on to yourself been kind of a jerk lawyer. he owes back taxes glen who is himself gay once held an interest in a gay porn studio. when you come down to it, who among us hasn't? is this -- i want to start with you, rick. >> i know why. >> john: you don't like glen. i want to ask you -- your personal feelings aside your professional feels is this not a case of the media attacking the messenger's messenger? >> it is. far be it for me to defend glen because as you know, he's not my favorite person. you know the story has gotten very sleepy. we don't know where mr. snowden's hanging out in transit and there's nothing else to write about so they're writing about the writer's personal life and come on. this is tabloid. >> i think the community knows where it is. they've got it narrowed down to

ecuador or iceland so either half of the globe is where we are. >> john: russia. here's the thing. is it comparable? paula deen i think a lot of people would say deserves the scorn she's getting for the stupid stuff she's done. it is divided on glen greenwald. i've been surprised. david gregory said you should be charged with a crime. should you be charged with a crime. i don't remember gregory asking woodward should you be charged for aiding and abetting deep throat. is glen greenwald guilty of treason as they're saying snowden is? >> no. no reporter is ever. it is --ity proper place is held aside. i don't think that's ever the case. you can reflect on the people they're working with or whatever but the reporter is just reporting. >> john: very good point. >> slippery slope. if we start going after guys like this, we're going to be sending the message that we're willing to do anything to defend the first amendment except

actually practice it. >> john: this is why a lot. folks are calling it a war on whistle-blowers, the new robert greenwald film. >> glen is guilty of having a very unpleasant personality. that does not make you treasonist. >> yeah, rick! [ laughter ] he did the job that he's supposed to do. and i don't know why we're talking about it. >> john: we're talking about it because i've never seen the media pile on a journalist. >> it is the "new york times". >> after the a.p. scandal the obama administration won't go after this guy. they'll hit him with drones. >> john: one last question. do reporters have any obligations toward national security? >> yes. >> john: rick? >> yes. of some. but the security of the nation is what's in question right now. >> john: exactly. i think director clapper showed that snowden revealed that we've been lied to.

and we love it here in america. up next, i'll be exploring the unbearable wussiness of being a right wing homophobe. stick around. >> no, they said "make us a turkey and make it fast". >> (laughter). >> she gets the comedians laughing. >> that's the best! >> that's hilarious. >> ... and the thinkers thinking. >> okay, so there is wiggle room in the ten commandments is what you're telling me. >> she's joy behar. >> ya, i consider you jew-talian. >> okay, whatever you want. >> who plays kafka? >> who saw kafka? >> who ever saw kafka? >> (laughter). >> asking the tough questions. >> chris brown, i mean you wouldn't let one of your daughters go out with him. >> absolutely not. >> you would rather deal with ahmadinejad then me? >> absolutely! >> (singing) >> i take lipitor, thats it. >> are you improving your lips? >> (laughter). >> when she's talking, you never know where the conversation is going to go. >> it looks like anthony wiener is throwing his hat in the ring. >> his what in the ring? >> his hat. >> always outspoken, joy behar. >> and the best part is that current will let me say

anything. what the hell were they thinking? >> only on current tv.

>> john: how can he be called loan if he had been that. quick question for my guests. what's your favorite gay theme movie tv show, song or book? >> it would have to be movie stars the two ricks. >> john: what movie is that? >> wait a minute. >> ymca. clearly, you get to do that. >> john: you get to go work out. rick ungar? >> will & grace because it made my old friend max really, really rich. >> john: that's great you 1% riffraff. >> the film "300". >> john: you took mine. why? >> a lot of oiled up men. >> john: that movie was so good i bought lube on the way

home. which brings me to tonight's f bomb. gay love exists in over 1500 species. gay hate exists in only one. we got a good look at it this week when the u.s. supreme court handed down landmark rules on marriage equality for lgbt americans and the bigger the homophobe, the screechier the drama queen. former televangelist mike huckabee tweeted jesus wept. you're confusing jesus o with antonin scalia. comedy legend michele bachmann said marriage was created by the hand of god, no man, not even a supreme court can undo what a holy god has instituted. confidently, congresswoman, they just did. and you've got it backwards. american was created by man. gay people were created by god and he seems to have enjoyed creating them in every human civilization that's kept records in history. glenn beck who once appeared on bill o'reilly to say he had no problem with gay marriage now says the rulings will lead to polygamy and ask you to deny the bible and xenophobic right wing

clown college dropout louie gohmert said this signaled the end of western civilization before returning to his job as lizard bird pet as jabba the hutt. antonin scalia released a dissent that said you're an anti-christian bigot. even chris christie said he's not that good at moderation like you knew that when he said the rules was wrong. chris christie only said that to cruise homophobic tea party voters. i'm chris. what kind of hate are you into? all of the shrill shrieking nellies have one thing in common. they're all opposed to giving gay americans the liberty to marry who they want in a free society because they're all so devoted to jesus. and jesus is so opposed to gay people he never gets around in the gospels to mentioning them even once. i'm going to repeat that for all of you fox news viewers still wondering how obama can support gay marriage while best willing

a devout muslim. jesus whom you all claim to worship, never says a thing about gay people. none of the homophobic followers of nonhome faux phobe jesus can ever use the bible to justify discrimination against lgbt americans. that's why none of them quote scripture against it. book of leviticus follow it. you have to stone men to death when they have sex with other men. the gay guys have been working out. they're ready. you have to stone kids to death who insult their parents psychics adulters and people who work on saturdays. paul's letter to romans? it is about straight romans who turned gay after god gives up on them and hook up straight guys with straight guys. matthew 19 is not anti-gay marriage. it is anti-straight divorce. consensual relationships between same sex adults aren't condemned by jesus and the old testament panels come from list of rules nobody follows. in matthew 25, jesus lays out

what christians are supposed to focus on. help the poor, be welcoming to strangers feed the hungry and be kind to those in prison. if the real jesus came back, none of us would be able to hear his message over the cries of fundamentalist christians calling him a filthy liberal socialist. the right wing folks pick and choose the parts of the bible they like, take verses out of context and use them to prove that god hates the same people they do. it is buffet christianity. i'm sure they would accuse me of the same. every one of every faith cherry picks the parts they choose to follow. some do it to justify discrimination and some do it to justify being nice to people. the good news for huckabee and bachmann gohmert and beck is they still live in america. gay folks are increasingly being allowed to married but homophobes are allowed to not like it. if you're a christian american who discriminates against others, you suck at being christian and american. that's our show. i want to thank this wonderful panel, paul mecurio rick ungar

and rick overton and michael tomasky. this is "viewpoint." thank you for watching. we'll be back monday because we're still here on current tv. good night mom. i'm going to l.a.! >> joy: can women be their own worst enemies? here to discuss this with me is karen finerman. also joining us for a panel discussion are founder of the list rachel sklar. and bonnie fuller who has been here many times also. so let me start with you karen because i was reading your book over the weekend and you basically -- i mean there are so many things in there to talk about. you're a little bit