>> michael: coming up, the eyes of the world are on edward snowden and the streets of egypt. unfortunately, that leaves us with quite a few political blind spots. i'm michael shure, and you are in "the war room." >> michael: the fight for women's rights continue in texas. thousands of people flooded the state capitol as to protesting the abortion ban bill.

right now there are 40 clinics operating in texas this bill would cut that to five clinics serving a population of 13 million women spread out over 72,000 square miles. that would mean women in he el paso would have to drive over 500 miles to get to the nearest clinic. nearly 200 people signed up to testify, but before they got a chance to speak state legislation got into a debate among themselves. a texas sized whoop she argued that her bill would not force clinics to close and even if it did, that would be good for women. sylvester turn turner challenged her

on that. any challenge to that would be foolish. she then faced questions from jessica ferrar. >> did you look at the potential for clinic closings. >> you asked what my intention was? it is for the health. >> that wasn't my question. did you look at capacity? can you answer that? yes or no. >> it's for the health and safety. >> you're not going to answer. >> michael: it's amazing when they don't answer those questions. they know they're wrong. the debate is heated and almost out of hand. according to the "national review," democratic legislatures are getting death threats were fromfrompro-lifers. 45% approve of davis' filibuster

filibuster. 40% disapprove what she did with the bill. there has been speculation about her challenging rick perry for next year. he said he'll make a statement about his future next monday. the majority of texans, 60% of them don't want him to run again. unfortunately they would still vote for him over davis. a new poll has perry with a 14 point over her. turning now to another fiery up and coming politician hoping to unseat a republican fossil, allison lunder green grimes said shellsshe would challenge mitch mcconnell in 2014. she was democrats' top pick but she did not get reviews for her performance yesterday. it was pointed out that she

reused a barn from her 2011 campaign and she still doesn't have a campaign website. and team mitch released this attack against grimes. >> i want to thank me, me, me i want to thank me, me, me. >> allison. ♪ what, what, what ♪ what rhymes with allison. ♪ what, what, what ♪ >> michael: there is no way that mcconnell supporters think that is an ad for grimes. that's just me saying that. we move from one desperate republican ad to others. the koch brothers are now urging republicans to back marco rubio and his immigration plan.

>> this is the tough border security america needs. call senator rubio. thank him for keeping his promise and fighting to secure the border. >> michael: the message there essentially is to fall in line or the party will get left behind. case in point as conservatives continue to bemoan the supreme court doma ruling, the rest of the country is moving ahead. bulgarian graduate student will now be able to apply for a green card and eventually u.s. citizenship. he and his american husband julian marsh were married in new york last year. joining us is karl frisch. welcome back to "the war room" as always. >> thanks, michael. >> michael: so tell me about the progress that is made even in this one week before the ruling. talk to us about that a little bit. >> i think we're beginning to see the very real and tangible

thing that it this marriage equality fight is all about. whether its people who are married and from different countries, being able to take part of this truly american right, or people getting their benefits from the federal government or social security benefits all those things are real and tangible. what we haven't talked much about is the message that it sends gay kids in a are being born today. when i was growing up, michael a closeted gay kid i never once thought about having a husband one day. i never once thought about having a family one day. i thought those things were off the table, and i always there would never be a discussion about it. i thought the best i could do is have a job and have a reasonably happy life if i was happy. there are generations of lgbt people who grew up without even

having a thought that that kind of a dream would be possible. gay kids being born today and perhaps even gay kids as old as 12 or 13 years old will never live in an america where that idea is not something that comes right to mind. >> michael: you know, that's something that most americans don't think about. it's about the american dream. well, the american dream doesn't exist for some people in our society or didn't exist until last week for some people in our society. >> and there were no images of it. i grew up before ellen degeneres. before she came out on national television, and you know, even as recently as five or seven years ago there weren't a lot of lgbt images in movies and television that were in married committed relationships. we were always the best friend of the bride, the hairdresser or the campy companion to the lead character. now that's changing greatly, and i think we're giving kids an opportunity to dream and reach their full potential.

a kid growing up today would have the same thoughts that their peers do. one day i want grow pup i want to go to college. i want to start my career. i want to fall in love, i want to marry and have a family. that'sthat's a big deal. >> michael: civil rights makes everybody happier, not just the people that it effects at the moment. the council is you organizinga call 2 fall rally. do they understand how ridiculous the call 2 fall and the graphics are? >> no, they called it m-for-m not knowing that it was online

slang for "man-for-man." it's not going to save them. i did hear, for example you know, michele bachmann said this was an affront to god how horrible it was. she's leaving congress. i heard when these decisions came down, marcus baucus was on theata truck stop, and he dropped on the side of the road to pray. >> michael: you know where i was going to go. >> sure. >> michael: a poll finds of the majority of americans think that the supreme court was actually right. have you been surprised in an ironic way about how little push back there has been? >> lafayette people just need to be affirmed that what they're feeling in their heart is true. you remember when president obama came out and said he had evolved to a point where he believed in marriage equality. all of a sudden you had big

swath of the african-american community, and other holdouts saying i can believe in marriage equality too. i saw the first poll about americans for marriage equality. i have a feeling that we're going to see sometime this week or maybe monday a poll that shows increase and sport by 5 to 10 points. by the time that this goes to the supreme court again in three to five years i'm confident we will be approaching two-thirds if not more support for marriage equality and that will have a big impact on the court. >> michael: it's important to know, and we've talked about this before, but in the continuum of american politics and policy how quickly this all happened and how encouraging that is for civil rights going forward. >> it has moved so quickly. if republicans want to have a scale of context for it, it's moved as quickly forward as

marco rubio as immigration reform has moved backwards. >> michael: karl, let's go back to people also moving backwards rick perry. you know, we talk to you about politics all the time. do you think he'll run again both for governor and for president? >> i don't know. i think he probably will. i don't know what he would do in the interim. i think rick perry without the pedestal of the governorship to run from is not a viable candidate. and i think democrats need to do a gut check. beating rick perry is not easy, and it's difficult. many candidates have tried to beat him. this is still texas despite what is happening in austin right now. wendy davis could raise $70,000 and still lose. there is still a lot of work to be done in texas. we have a lot of great mayors

and state legislature in texas and elected officials. the demographics are changing there it's going to take time to change things around, but we can't get discouraged. it means that we need good candidates statewide to start greasing the ground, greasing the pavement so when the right time comes we're able to take the state capital back from the crazy radical right republican party there. >> michael: you're right with jeremy bird, and those people there to turn texas blue, that's what they're calling it, and it will take a bit of time. i'm not so sure that i agree with you, that perry is not held from leaving that pulpit in texas, because he can get out and not just be a texas governor if he wanted to run around the country. >> the texas governor doesn't have much responsibility at home. >> michael: but he has a little bit of freedom to run

differently. i don't think it matters because i don't think he will appeal nationally at all. i think his appeal will diminish in texas as well. >> probably true. >> michael: you brought up marco rubio another republican with presidential aspirations. willwill the republican party doom that aspiration? >> yes. when you look at marriage equality and immigration the republican party is softening in marriage equality. they're instrumental in getting to about we are whether it's more and more senators or state legislators helping to pass it in the state they're uninstrumental. but the way we're seeing republicans handle immigration reform they hate brown people a little bit more than they hate

gay people. you cannot appeal to hispanic votevoters just because you have a person of cuban descent pushing immigration reform. >> michael: especially when it's not defined by the cuban american experience heater. that's something that the republicans are naive to, as well. >> if you're going to push immigration reform just so you can get hispanic voters, hispanic voters will know that's exactly why you're pushing reform. and all the other crazy things onon the reform. next they'll want to build a dome over the house. >> michael: and then sell the naming rights. they want to put the dome up. exxonmobil on the side. >> i can only imagine marco rubio saying that every child

born to an illegal citizen in this country would will have a path to citizenship if they change their name to reagan. >> michael: while much of america has moved on from the gun debate, gabby giffords has not forgotten and nor is she likely to forget. plus we cannot believe that voting rights is still an issue in 2013. therein lice the importance of reflexion on that meaning. roberts is wrong. later a new book asks what if sarah palin became president. a better question, listed his torecal fiction or vampire horror. we'll be right back.

if you believe in state's rights but still support the drug war you must be high. >> "viewpoint" digs deep into the issues of the day. >> do you think there is any chance we'll ever hear the

president even say the word "carbon tax"? >> with an opened mind... >> has the time finally come for real immigration reform? >> ...and a distinctly satirical point of view. >> but you mentioned great leadership so i want to talk about donald rumsfeld. >> (laughter) >> cutting throught the clutter of today's top stories. >> this is the savior of the republican party? i mean really? >> ... with a unique perspective. >> teddy rosevelt was a weak asmatic kid who never played sports until he was a grown up. >> (laughter) >> ... and lots of fancy buzz words. >> family values, speding, liberty, economic freedom, hard-working moms, crushing debt, cute little puppies. if wayne lapierre can make up stuff that sounds logical while making no sense... hey, so can i. once again friends, this is live tv and sometimes these things happen. >> watch the show. >> only on current tv. >> michael: here on this show we'll never stop talking about guns and especially not today.

200 days since the sandy hook massacre. in those 200 days, guns have taken the lives of at least 5,669 people in the united states. put another way that's 218 newtowns since newtown. it's obvious the gun control debate needs a leader, and we have often turned to gabby giffords. the congresswoman who survived a gun assault two years ago. she began by doing something shocking shooting a gun. >> michael: there she is. her rights and responsibilities will take her to states where democratic lawmakers voted against background checks, including north dakota and alaska. so senators heidi heitkamp,

giffords is coming for you. in illinois another leader emerged. pat quinn rejected the bill. >> there are serious flaws in this bill that jeopardize the public safety of the people of illinois. i've used my power under the constitution of our state to make important changes common sense changes to protect the safety of our people. >> michael: the governor's proposed changes are that a person may not carry more than one concealed gun, a person may not carry more than ten rounds of ammunition, and no concealed weapons in bars. believe it or not even those no-brainers remain controversial. joining us now with more on the gun debate is john rosenthal founder and chairman of the group "stop handgun violence." thanks for being with us, john. >> thank you for having me.

>> michael: this conversation seems like it goes on and on, no more guns in bars. why is this controversial? >> i think that governor quinn's suggestion that people not care more than ten rounds makes a lot of sense as well. because in most cases there is no limit on the number of magazines or the amount of ammunition in each magazine and these high-capacity ammunition magazines and high power assault-type weapons are the common denominator in all of these mass shootings. whether it's newtown and the list goes on and on. i'm glad you continue to follow this. every single day the equivalent of three newtown-type massacres. 87 americans will be bury today from gun violence, including eight kids under 19 years old and it happens every single day.

>> michael: it's shocking, and congress isn't doing anything. who do we put that on, john? do we put that on the president and vice president? do we see a renewed effort coming around the corner where they gear up and go after guns? where do we go from here in a legislative way? >> we put it on ourselves honestly. we're allowing this. we still live in a democracy. we still elect these people. when they go to washington we don't hold them accountable. there couldn't even be 60 votes to limit background check only at gun shows and the internet. terrorists can buy guns on the grounds of a gun show, congress couldn't even enact that. i fear 87 dead americans a day

isn't enough. 30,000 a year on average every year. that's more americans killed in the last 35 years from gun violence in the united states than all u.s. service men and women killed in all wars combined, and there is no background checks for criminals and terrorists in the u.s. >> michael: that's an unbelievable way to frame it. we find ways to compare it, this is more than, larger than, but when you say all foreign wars that's extraordinary to hear it that way and it's really shocking. shocking, too, seeing gabby giffords fire a gun. i've never seen a pr stunt like that. why do you think she did that? >> well, she's been a gun owner her whole adult life, like me. and we're not talking about banning guns. we're simply talking about accountability and responsibility on the part of

gun owners to lock their guns. gun dealers to operate out a bona fide store versus a car trunk or backpack. gun manufacturers who are uniquely unregulated and thanks to congress cannot be sued are allowed to market guns directly to criminals. and duck hunt he's are limited to three rounds in the duck hunting rifles to protect the duck population. but criminals and terrorists can have hundreds of runs of ammunition. >> michael: tell me that again. that is a federal law or a state law or what is that, three is the maximum number of rounds you can keep in a duck gun? >> that's exactly right. federal law when you get a duck-hunting license. even when you have a five-round magazine, you have to put two plugs in two of the holes to

limit the round to three to protect the duck population. but there is no limit on the amount of magazines you can carry or the ammunition in the magazine to kill people. these are the weapons used in all the mass shooting. shame on congress and shame on us to let congress get away with murder at the rate of 87 people every day in this country. >> michael: shame on us for not doing more. and shame on them for not listening to what we want. i worked on a television document called "hitting home" which profiles the boston street violence that young people face every day. i want to live to some of their stories right here.

>> my friend yeah. >> a couple of people got shot over something like it can be something so petty like stepping over he somebody's shoe. >> many young people talk about what they want their shrines to look like when they're nine and ten years old. >> i could hear the gunshot and he falls and he died in my arms when i was 14. >> michael: talk about our efforts to bring violence down. >> as a gun owner and a business person i started looking at gun violence in 1995 and made massachusetts the model for the nation. we're an urban industrial state, and we have the lowest firearm fatality rate in the nation. we've done it through common sense gun laws and consumer standards. also police, good community policing and job creation

programs in our poorest neighborhoods. what this video is about and we did it why convert with the justice department. while americans pay attention to mass shootings like at sandy hook every single day kids die from largely preventable gun violence. what is really criminal is that we don't pay attention to it. as a result we deregulate the gun industry. they can't be suited. they can market directly to criminals, and there's this price that every family pays. we as parents don't have the gene to bury our children. we wanted to make this video about the every-day gun violence. and it's easier in our poorest neighborhoods to get a gun than to buy a job. and those families love their kids just like we do.

>> michael: of course, we do. >> and they need the opportunity. >> michael: you see the efficiency of this, and it's a 50-straight strategy that a lot of us would get behind. hopefully you'll take that show on the road. john rosenthal the founder of the group "stop handgun violence." up next is the anniversary of the signing of the civil rights act. and we get to celebrate by reminding supposedly smart people why we need to protect the right to vote.

>> michael: imagine this, it's 1964, and you're registering to vote in louisiana. you can't prove at least a fifth grade education you must pass a literacy test. grab a pencil, take a seat, and do what you're told, nothing more, nothing less. but be careful as one wrong

answer denotes failure of the test. question number one. write every other word in this first line and print every third word in same line original type smaller and first line ended at comma but capitalize the fifth word that you write. what? try this one. write right from the left to the right as you see it spelled here. these are actual questions from an actual test administered before the voting rights act were passed in 1965 incomprehensible mind-bending tests like these were used throughout the south and they were pretty effective in doing what they were designed to do limiting african-americans' right to vote. fast forward toin 1965 only 32% of african-americans in louisiana were registered to vote. fast forward 40 years to 2004 that number ballooned to 71% in

mississippi the increase as even more dramatic rising from 7% in 1965 to 76 percent in 2004. last week the secret effectively killed the voting rights act in his majority opinion chief justice john roberts used the vra's success against it saying the act has prove immensely successful at redressing racial discrimination and integrating the voting process. in other words racism has been solved huer ray, not so fast. joining us in "the war room" is chris elendorf. the voting right act continues to crete it as if it were, your research shows the opposite. you suggested new criteria for deciding which states and which districts are part of that. >> one of the questions that the chief justices have been asking for a long time at least since 2009, and if you look at earlier writings, something that

they've been concerned about before that. are there any meaningful differences between the states in racial attitudes or are we one america now. his view is that the south is no different than the north. i went to dig at that question further. we looked to measure racial attitudes, and we tried to find the least controversial measures the least controversial measures are racial stereotypes. do you think of blacks in general as a group hard working or lazy? do you see blacks as a group as trustworthy or or untrustworthy. in 2008 there were we asked these questions all over the country. we were able to take their data and construct a measure whether

there is a difference between the states of now non-african-american voters view blacks. there are striking differences and they correspond with the so-called coverage formula enacted by the supreme court. >> michael: how do you account with the honest answer. what if there is a group that i don't like. i don't want you to know that i don't like them. i'll say no, no, i think their fine. >> that's the chief objection to this type of approach, and i think it's a real objection. what i would say in response to that is that if this were all about people not telling the truth you wouldn't expect to see a correlation between the measure of prejudice and political behavior. people who were prejudiced against blacks were also less likely to vote for obama if

they voted for kerry, they would more likely vote in republican in 2008. there is a number of conditions to suggest that the measure of racial attitude is picking up something that is relevant to political behavior. >> michael: and the proof is in the pudding. several states have gone ahead and advanced voter i.d. laws, restrictive voter laws in their states. one thing we forget to talk about is earlier the arizona voter i.d. law was struck down by the same court. how do these two reconcile? >> well, the arizona law had nothing to do with race in the way the legal issue was framed, so you think--in the way the legal issue was framed. and they didn't say there can't be a voter rights act. there can't be a voter rights act that treats some states different from other states or some counties from other

counties. they want to direct localities with different treatment, that has to be grounded with racial discrimination in the process. and the reliance of a coverage formula that was used on literacy tests and the like in 1964 and the low voter turnout. >> michael: i see. 30 states were covered by some kind of a voter i.d. law. why not then move to covering the whole country and making this a national effort? >> i think you could do that if there was the will in congress, but i don't think there is the will in congress. there is the possibility of congressional action because the republican party does not want to be seen as the party that killed the voting rights act. and because the democratic party is committed to reinstituting the provisions that were invalidated.

but i don't think politically there will be support for any drastic change in the on-the-ground of states covered and states not covered. if you look at attitudes they correlate with the outdated coverage formula that was used as a prerequisite to voting in 1964. >> michael: which made sense. so what happens to your research? where did you do from here? where you do you and doug put together and where do you go? >> it goes no one an academic journal, but i'm a researcher runner not an advocate or lawmakers. >> michael: i hope congress is listening us certainly the statistics that you have and the methodology are fascinateing. chris elmnedorf i think your voice makes what we're doing all the better.

chris elmendorf from university of california-davis, thank you. a new book imagines sarah palin becoming president and then the world quickly coming apart at the seams. i'm awarding points for this caught accuracy.

>> michael: imagine this, john mccain and sarah palin beat barack obama and joe biden in 2008--wait, wait, this daydream-nightmare gets scary than that. mccain dies shortly after taking office, and sarah palin becomes your president. how scary will it be? let's take a glitch i have said all along that america is based on judeo-christian beliefs no one has to believe me. go to our early founding fathers' documents and see how they. crafted the declaration of independence and our constitution, and constitution

acknowledging our unalienable rights don't come from man. they come from god. >> michael: it's a great view of russia over her shoulder. well it's 2029 and frederick rich's novel. fundamentalist christians have taken over the country. now one man sits in an abandoned cabin retracing the story of how the u.s. became a christian theocracy under sarah palin. the first chapter ends with this line. so i suppose what happened here is what they said they would do, and we did not listen. joining us today from new york is author of "christian nation" frederick rich. welcome to the war room, frederick. >> thanks, michael. >> michael: what was your motivation for writing this book? were you inspired or terrified after the palin campaign?

>> i was terrified after the palin nomination because the way history works michael, you have mistakes, and that was a vetting mistake. if you have a mistake following an accident like a burst aneurysm like what happened in my book, that's how history is made. it easily could have happened. i wrote the book because there have been fantastic journalism and scholarship written about the watch christian right but it hadn't made impact. they really didn't get traction. i thought i would try it as a novel so people could put themselves in this alternative history and think deeply about what would happen, and moreover what they should do about it now. >> michael: yes, it's certainly a good way of thinking about it in these realistic terms. have you ever met sarah palin frederick? did you learn anything about her writing this book that made you like her more, respect her more or not? >> you know, i did a lot of

research on sarah palin. i read most of what she had to say including what you had in your setup about her view of separation of church and state. she believes it's a myth. and so you know, it's interesting. they call this speculative fiction, but i didn't have to do a lot of speculation because the more radical fundamentalists in this country have said as you just read, they have said what they would do. so it's really not speculative. all i had to do was look at the conditions under which they would have the power to do what they said they would do. it's a very clear script. even after 2008 most of what happens are things that they already have tried. like the constitution restoration act. it's been tabled repeatedly and gotten plurality votes. >> michael: some claim that you're trying to discredit the

republican party with your work, but you know, you were a registered republican before you wrote this book. how connected is the party your former party to fundamental christians? >> you know, it's a pretty scary thing, michael. people like us sit in new york and san francisco we don't always see this. but over the last 30 years as you know, the christian right has worked at the precinct level, the ward level to take over the republican party from the bottom up. and what started out as a deal with the devil became a deal that was out of control. all you had to do was look at the primaries of 2012 to see the extent to which the republican primary voters reflect largely this movement. you know that's why i think that we can't--we've had a lot of cranks in american history. we all like to think that these more fanatical fundamentalists

are cranks, and they'll be a footnote in history not the main event but i could not be content with that view when i saw who was standing on the stage of the republican primaries in 2012. >> michael: yes, i can see how that would be. and they're doing it from a legislative way, we talk about it on had show every day. they're doing things like abortion in texas instead of abortion in washington and the supreme court. there are issues that are far less enticing to us, but they're happening in state legislatures all over the country. as you mentioned your book is fiction but not that far from reality. earlier this year north carolina tried to pass a bill that would make christianity the official state religion. a poll conducted by "huffington post" found that 34% of americans support establishing christianity as a state religion while 32% support establishing

christianity as the national reason and 55% support state religion and 45% making it a state religion. how real in truth is your book? >> well, my book, the enemy in my book is complacency. anybody who can sit here and hear those statistics, michael that you just recited and be complacent that's the problem in the country. we can't be complacent about this movement. it's complacency that has allowed fundamentalists to take power in other parts of the world. we have to take a look at what is happening at the state level. you're spot-on. 944 bills dealing with contraception and abortion introduced in state legislation in 2012 alone.

the only thing that stands between us and the success of that movement is the federal court system and the federal judiciary. >> michael: so in our complacency, when i hear you say that, in our complacency we didn't vote against those people. the people who were you were embarrassed to have standing on the podium. even through the primaries they voted for mitt romney who was the least didactic christian up there, and they voted for barack obama. when you have a chance to do something and vote them out isn't that what you're supposed to do? >> does it encourage me in the short term? of course, it encourages me in the short term. the statistics that you just gave about the belief system of the american public, and the positions that these people

occupy in the states habit change. my fear is that the marriage equality were last week will give new energy to this movement. i don't know if you read a statement that the broad coalition that religious rights made basically saying, promising the country that they wouldn't tolerate it, they wouldn't obey it and because it impaired their only religious freedom they would feel free to resist it. i think we're going see a new wind as a result of what happened last week, and it's a very scary proposition. >> michael: that is very discouraging, but still i'm encouraged to read this book because it sounds as if it's not as far from being real at least in certain respects that we might think. frederick rich wrote the book "christian nation," i learn you to buy it. thank you sir. coming up next, a the

situation in egypt. the non-pundit's view on the situation. right after the break.

>> michael: mohamed morsi became egypt's first democratically voted president of egypt. now they're calling for morsi and the ruling muslim brotherhood party to resign. >> we're stuck with a president that does not benefit the country in the way it should be, and we're entering a new era that has nothing of our hopes. >> michael: the clock for morsi's exit is ticking. the egyptian army issued a last- last-chance ultimatum yesterday giving him and the option 48 hours to meet the populous demands. if they failed to resolve the crisis when the clock strikes five on wednesday the egyptian military will interconvenient. accordingyou according to reuters

spelled suspend the constitution, with the deadline looming, president morsi took to the podium today and blamed the ghost of hosni mubarak's past and there is legitimacy, and he's not going anywhere. >> my message to you all as i said to the option who observed democracicy and the rotation of power, and for all who observed it's legitimacy, i am adhering to this legitimacy, and i will stand guardian to this legitimacy. >> michael: it seems like morsi is playing a dangerous game of chicken, and is already starting to get pecked from all sides. 12 ministers including foreign minister have resigned.

president obama called president morsi urging him quote, to be responsive to the protesters demands. oh, the irony on that one is too thick for me to slight through right now, i can't. seven protesters were killed in clashes cooking to according to ap reports today. here to talk about what is going on in egypt is our own noreen moustafa. thank you for joining us, noreen. >> thanks for having me, michael. >> michael: what is your take on morsi's press conference today. >> the tone was very defiant and something that we all expected. we didn't expect the muslim brotherhood to give up this

power, something that they've been wanting. with the current divisions in the country some people view this speech as possibly an invitation to violence. >> michael: so noreen, morsi used this lodge to come say he won't step down. he said this i think yesterday. if we change someone in office who is elected according to constitutional legitimacy, well, there would be people opposing the new president, too, and a week or two or month later they will be asking him to step down, too. is this going to be an evolving door of leadership? what kind of leadership bus egypt need. >> the egypt is looking for is one that brings all voices to the table. morsi has been unable to do that for the past year. i think any government that will emerge from this would be to include all sides of the argument and have them all have seats at the table including the

brotherhood, the liberals, the christians and the various socio-economic groups. i think normally we're looking at this sort of through a prism of democracy that we're familiar with, but our own democracy has been reformed over hundreds of years, so to have them follow this constitution that they don't even believe in to a t is a bit much for protesters on the streets. >> michael: let's talk about those protesters and watching them they're incredibly impressive in their size and energy, especially for a country who has only had two years to get it's bearings. to what do we contribute this organizational success in egypt? >> you can certainly see that the option has learned a lot over the past two years in terms of organizing. it was a movement called tamarot that called for the june 30th elections which were on sunday. they viewed a tremendous amount of organization to first of all get 22 million signatures on a petition calling for president

morsi to step down, as well as to mobilize the estimated 14 million people we saw on sunday. what they wering are trying to do this time is take the protest away from the intellectual centers of egypt, and have it be across the country and in regular streets. they a said don't just fill the squares, fill your streets. i think that's what is really forcing people to question whether or not morsi still has this monday date because we saw just so many people across the whole country come out against his regime. >> and noreen, why did the military issue such an aggressive 48-hour timeline for morsi? >> things are happening a lot faster, and i think it's because ramadan is supposed to start in eight days. they're worried that they won't maintain their numbers during the ramadan. they will be hot and they'll likely want to go home and rest.

i think right now you have the muslim brotherhood trying to run down the clock to ramadan when they think these protests will thin out. and you also have the alternate of the army and opposition trying to speed things up. >> michael: so you know, some things that we don't even think about, that's a great point that we're not even thinking about here will ramadan effecting this as well. tell us about the head of the national salvation front. >> one of the parties in the opposition. today they said if there would be any negotiations he would be the one representing the nss during the negotiation. but he is a controversial figure in egypt since he lived abroad so long. there are a lot of people who simply feel he done have the real egyptianist that they're looking for. >> michael: i see. there is still a lot to watch. noreen moustafa, our egypt

correspondent in return, thank in current. thank you for joining us tonight. "the young turks" is next. have a great night. >> i think it's brilliant. (vo) first, news and analysis with a washington perspective from an emmy winning insider. >> i know this stuff, and i love it. (vo) followed by humor and politics with a west coast edge. bill press and stephanie miller. >> what a way to start the day.

alright, in 15 minutes we're going to do the young turks. i think the number one thing that viewers like about the young turks is that we're honest. they know that i'm not bs'ing them with some hidden agenda, actually supporting one party or the other. when the democrats are wrong, they know that i'm going to be the first one to call them out. they can question whether i'm right, but

i think that the audience gets that this guy, to the best of his ability, is trying to look out for us. ♪ theme ♪ cenk: welcome to "the young turks." big show ahead as always. you know what? great panel as also, ana kasparian, cara santa maria jayar. we have a bit of a situation in the trayvon mar