>> michael: coming up on the show let my cameron go. that's a ferris buhler buhler.reference. and just like that, president mohamed morsi is out. you are in "the war room." >> michael: there was major news out of the news as mohamed morsi, egypt's president, after just one year stepped down under pressure from protesters and the military. cheers erupted out of tahrir

square as millions celebrated the announcement. president morsi is calling this a coup detat. but they still have to put a new plan a political plan in place. they asked morsi to step down and drafted a road plan. that draft includes suspending the constitution, giving the chief justice presidential powers for the new inter,um. forming a new techno contract national government, and securing freedom of media and free speech. they also vow to steer away from violence and remain peaceful. just hours ago the optional leader will now enact that road map. >> i hope that this map this road map this plan as a

beginning for a new beginning with the revolution of which the egyptian people have spent dearly to achieve what we, all of us, want social justice. >> michael: but the future clearly remains unclear. and many may still suffer sacrifice even before morsi's resignation there was blood shed. last night 16 people were killed and 200 people injured in a protest among morsi supporters. in the past four days 91 women reported being sexually assaulted in the large crowds. i'm joined now by noreen moustafa producer for the "the young turks," and our egypt correspondent. she comes to us from los angeles, noreen, welcome citizen "the war room"." >> thanks, michael. a great day for egypt. >> michael: that sums it up for someone who cares about it so much. tell me, is this a coup detat or

a celebration. >> it is a coup detat. your heyou're seeing banter on other channels saying that this is not a coup but it is a coup and thatthat is what is happening in egypt. it is not a coup in the sense that they'll be running the country. by naming one of the justices as interim president, and having them ma flanked by the religious leaders showing that the future of egypt belongs to a lot more people than just the high-ranking military officials. >> michael: that's so interesting that you point that out. tell me what all the egyptians who are watching that think of that and also the presence of elbarade. >> the largest challenge that

faces them is to unite egypt again. you'll see on many news channels a split screen which is demonstrative of what is happening in egypt. the morsi rallies to the right the anti-morsi rallies to the left. whoever comes into power, they will have to deal what president morsi couldn't do, which is to bring the country back together. at least under the military they've been able to do that. you saw millions of people cheering them on the scene, and i'm hoping that we'll have an unified egypt or a road map to one sometime soon. >> michael: one of the split screens, cnn had the split screen with the zimmerman trial in it, too. human rights watch going back, this is a serious problem coming out of these protests as they did to years two years ago. they say 91 women have been assaulted in the middle of these huge massive crowds. tell me about that, is this an

epidemic? what is being done to protect women now. >> this is an untold story but what heartens me is the different groups that propped up within the protest to protect the women. you saw a lot of men with bodyguard t-shirts, and their position was to separate any sort of women from attackers. and you also have a lot of different ngo groups trying to make sure that these stories are, in fact reported. some people do think that these attacks are organized, a way to keep women out of the political process, and i have to say these women are my heroes because when they go down and decide to protest against the government that they think is not hearing them representing them, they know the kind of risks that they face, and they take them any way. >> michael: this is information that we really wouldn't know if we weren't speaking to you because these stories aren't being told. also on the tragic side, last

night 16 people were killed near cairo university at a morsi-supported demonstration. should we expect more bloodshed coming up in the coming days? is this something that we should brace for. >> i think definitely so because you can't have all of these pro-morsi supporters get the kind of message that they got today and not have an outlet for it. i think the tension that we're seeing in egypt is you have thousands and thousands of pro-morsi supporters, just somber and stunned standing around in these squares. what are they going to do? are they just going to home and go to sleep? or will we see more violence on the streets of egypt tonight. >> michael: noreen, before i let you go there are reports that we should bring home. there is anti-american on the ground after there was a meeting with the muslim brotherhood leader. now there is a hue #,which is #

#.mind your business u.s. >> i recognize the difficulties that is head. they did the same thing with mubarak, wanting to see who would come ahead here. but the u.s. and the egyptian officials remain very close. i don't see that relationship dwindling in the future. but as far as a pr perspective we could do better by remaining neutral, stay out of it. the egyptians want an opportunity to control their own destiny, and they're showing us that they can do that on their own terms. >> michael: which is great, and i think is helpful to the president to be neutral that's an easier place for the president to be. we don't have a correspondent on the ground in cairo. we have the next best thing noreen moustafa, producer for "the young turks." thank you for coming on the show. we come now from unrest overseas to partisan uproar at home.

while the president traveled back to the white house yesterday, there there is the employer mandate and requires businesses with more than 50 workers to provide insurance or pay a fine. the provision has been criticized on both sides of the ail. conservatives say the provision would hurt businesses, and progressives say business also find ways to get around it that will hurt workers like making full-timeworkers go part time. republicans didn't miss the opportunity to use the issue as a battering ram against the entire law. bowen called the entire law a train wreck and said the situation will only get worse. and on fox news they claimed the president is playing politics with healthcare. >> this law passed years ago. it seems to me that they've been mindful of the political calendar from day one. the key parts did not start to

take affect until after the real act. now this is on hold until after the midterm. if that is an act? >> michael: yes, so tucker carlson by going into a longer necktie, it doesn't really change who he is. since it won't help americans get healthy maybe republicans can overturn obamacare. maybe they can do it for the 38th time. voting for jobs, huh, not so much. here with us jim welcome back inside "the war room"," as always. >> with a necktie disturbingly similar to that of tucker carlson. >> michael: apparently you didn't take a look at tucker carlson before you got dressed this morning. that's all right jim. you never think you're going to wear the same tie that he does. what is the problem jim with this part of the law? why is the president pushing this lady? why is the white house putting a delay in this? >> the problem was it was bona

fide anxiety with the specifics of the reporting of the law. there's a lot of stuff. it's not that i have michael and jim and 49 other people employed. there are a lot of other things that you have to do, and it's comprehensive detail to each of the employees children, and a lot of businesses are saying this is too onerous. i think the white house heard them. that all said, and even amid the rather impressive coordinateed attack and counterattack and preemptive strikes particularly among the republicans taken to social media with their favorite analogy of train wreck they beat mr. boehner to the punch last night with that all around, at the same time the white house coming out both on the treasury department website and with

obama aide blogging on the white house website, most employers who employee 50 or more folks already have chose employees under insurance plan, and you could really debate whether those folks who might be 4 hers 4% or 5% of those employers who now don't have insurance how they're going to respond. are they not going to give folks insurance in the year 2015 when they'll be hit with penalties? even more important, what is going to be the behavior of the vast majority of employers who now know if they bailed and essentially shafted their currently insured employees next year they're not going to get hit with penalties? do we really think that those folks will be dropped from the insurance plan? that's left for behavioral economists at this point.

i suspect that those employers will stand by and large pat with the status quo, i think that is what will happen. >> michael: they've had so much time to think of this, why did they wait so long? am i being conspiratorial, but politically minded to think this has something to do with the the 2014 elections by pushing it to the 2015? >> i think it could be a sensitivity to what was serious questions, first of all about the philosophy of it all of penalties. second, the practicality of what you're going to be hitting with these employers with, and then it melds with calculation. the notion that this is all political? well starting october 1st, they're really rolling the dice the obama administration with something that could be real fodder for critics, and that is what might be the hodgepodge arrival of the

so-called insurance exchanges. you know, it's going to be different in new york versus california versus arizona. they're rolling the dice with those. i think this is almost in some ways as sexy as it is,ance, ancillary to the big gorilla. >> michael: is there any other way to do it. nancy pelosi tried to paint the changes as pro-business. she made a statement where it will provide businesses as much flexibility and transition time as possible to meet the law's requirements. is that argument going to fly? >> well, our republicans are going to make that argument in the face of their natural symbiotic allies in the business community coming out as they did instantly for this delay, and it includes everybody from chamber

of commerce to the national retail federation saying good idea we support what the obama folks are doing. are the likes of boehner and eric cantor and mitch mcconnell going to keep up some drum beat, at the same time some folks who provide their financial vitality are saying, this is pretty smart. >> michael: that's what's most important. that's who they're listening to. there is a lot of other news happening. it's almost the fourth of july. is this going to fly under the radar? do you think people won't pay attention to this right now? >> well, for starters, you tell me what people will pay attention to. who knows. we could segue from cairo to kim kardashian and kanye west tomorrow who the heck knows. domestically in that relationship. i think all along folks have been, and this has been one of

the obama problems in marketing this, and it will be a significant problem next year is that most of us don't get it. don't quite understand. those folks who don't have it now have every reason to be very, very nervous. there is still a bit of self promotion here, and very simplistic terms tell people what is up ahead. >> michael: that's been the problem from the beginning. i'm up against time, but before i let you go, i know you've been covering the jesse jackson jr. trial, i do want to hear the latest here before i say have a great fourth. >> i ran into jesse jackson jr.'s dad in chicago and we thought the it would be today. but they've put it off until august 14th. if you're in that family you have a month more of stress. but the suspicion is that the judge will hit him with a stiff penalty, and whether she also hits his wife who also copped a

plea remains to be scene. however it plays out, it is, you know, it's a mini american tragedy. great promise absolutely, totally scannedderred. >> michael: that's what it is, in fact. have a wonderful holiday. >> thank you. >> michael: a bill that would outlaw sharia law and language that would restrict women's rights. i'm telling you they want to restrict women's rights underneath sharia law. plus we're talking about issues that no one else will here in the war room. we'll keep that going today with the conversation with the drug war. and the president of bolivia's flight gets delayed, and no he was not on the united shuttle from l.a. even though that's a reasonable assumption you would make. the latest chapter of edward snowden is just ahead. we will be right back.

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>> michael: in texas the state legislature prefers to work late at night. maybe they prefer to do their dirty work under the cover of darkness. the house committee approveed an abortion bill that was banned by wendy davis' filibuster last week. over a thousand people signed up to testify, but fewer than a hundred were allowed to speak. the bill will move to the full texas house next week. meanwhile republicans across the country have taken this lesson from texas. if you want to restrict abortion rights don't give people a chance to protest. in fact, don't even let them know that you're doing it. lawmakers in north carolina snuck abortion restrictions in a bill banning sharia law. not only is the g.o.p. wasting time and money preventing a phoney future where sharia law takes over the courts, they're

using that to cover the restricting of women's rights. this past weekend republicans in ohio attached some of the toughest abortion restrictions in the country to that state's budget bill. they have effectively defunded planned parenthood and required women seeking abortion an ultrasound in a budget bit. governor john kasic signed the bill flanked by six men. there were no female lawmakers in the room, nor apparently on their minds. we go to mother jones reporter andy kro croll. welcome to "the war room." >> great to be here. >> michael: what are the most dramatic changes in women's reproductive rights. >> what you have in this budget, the billion dollar budget,

billion with a "b" budget. you have language that redefine what is pregnancy actually is. you have language that bans publicly-funded hospitals that have agreements with these abortion clinics. what do you know, private hospitals are often catholic hospitals, they're not going to sign up with an abortion provider. they're doing that, and they're sending planned parenthood to the end of the funding line cutting them out of $1.4 million in state funding. it's really a collection of measures signed by governor kasic that will close all but two, three four abortion- abortion-providing clinics in the state of ohio. >> michael: i she hadi should point

out that i criticized governor kasic was flanked by six men and here we are two men talking about it, but i'm comfortable with doing that. could a challenge make its way to the supreme court, and is that what they want? >> reporter: it's unclear if these measures are violations of roe v. wade. it's certainly towing close to the line in terms of violating what that permits reproductive rights and access to abortion around the country. you're seeing the same sort of assault on women's health and access to abortion procedure in ohio, north carolina and texas. there is talk of marco rubio potentially introducing a bill that bans an abortion after 20 weeks.

so they are-- >> michael: i want to stop you there because that's pretty incredible. when you think about everything that marco rubio has on his plate what we perceive his intentions to be within the party someone who has his eyes on the presidency as i would guess that john kasic does, is talking now about backing the 20-week ban? >> yes there is talk of him producing a bill in the senate, this was something that was in the texas bill, as well. you can't ignore the politics of this. marco rubio has taken sort of a beating during the immigration reform fight that is going on, especially when it was in the senate, for advocating a comprehensive approach, for advocating a path to citizenship eventually for illegal immigrants here in the united states. you know, with john kasic in ohio he has been duking it out

with the tea party over a medicaid expansion. he wants the obamacare money to expand the medicaid role. and the tea partyers hate him for it. and this is a way to sort of appease the right wing in his state. >> michael: so he had to do a little political horse trading here in order to get this bill where it is now is what you're saying. >> that's right. >> michael: what happens now andy? are we going to see an ohio push back as we have seen with the wednesdayywendy davis-texas push back? >> i haven't seen a filibuster or anything like that. i hadn't followed this ohio development on abortion restrictions at all.

redefining when a woman is actually pregnant, but it wasn't like north carolina with this sort of brazen move, nor was it texas, which has become a whole area of its own. >> michael: maybe it's something that you would expect out of texas or north carolina, but not what you would expect out of ohio. it makes me think that these republicans didn't read everything that they wrote. what they do at every turn seems to be alienating voters, and this time women voters. but we are seeing a trend where more action is coming out of the state legislatures than congress. would you say then that the g.o.p. is winning these in state battle, and it's a smart plan that they've developed? >> this stems back to not just 2010, which was a republican wave, a slew of republicans elected republican legislatures elected but it stems back decades really.

the republicans have had an incredibly well-funded organized political machine, if you will, at the state level. they have--the place we've gotten to now, north carolina republican control, ohio republican control. wisconsin in republican control. republican governor of pennsylvania. these are states that president obama won with the exception of north carolina. yet they're controlled by republicans. this is the result of a very systemic effort to take over the states by conservatives, by republicans, and we are now seeing what happens when you have republican-controlled legislature, these are the bills that we get. >> michael: we're seeing it, and maybe that's what is ultimately going to help us to push it away. andy kroll. thank you for coming to "the war room"." >> michael: congress william gray was engaged in a battle to

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>> michael: the political world lost one of its true frontiers frontiersman. gray began serving in congress in 1978 and became the first african-american to serve as

chairman of the house budget committee only to top that by becoming the first majority whip of the house. he was the most successful democrat of the 1980s. he build coalitions with southern democrats and stood up to some of ronald reagan's most severe budget cuts. he came a generation after after the civil rights moment. he said he was not there to make a statement about race but to do a job. we see ourselves not as civil rights leaders by legislature. he was certainly not happy with some of the recent supreme court rulings. he once said that affirmative action is a must. in a 1990 commemoration of the voting rights act gray admonished america to not fall for the myth that people would stop building barriers based on race.

while chair chairman on the committee of budget, the bill paved the way for comprehensive anti-apartheid act of 1986. as nelson mandela is in the winter of his years, it is it was accelerated by what congressman gray was doing here in washington. william gray leaves behind a giant footprint. we're now joined by our friend christine pelosi, chair of the california democratic women's caucus. >> i had the pleasure of talking

with congressman gray when i was first starting my campaign boot camps, and he played a great roll in electing the first woman speaker of the house and electing so many other people of color. what people should know about congressman gray, one in addition to everything that he said tomorrow when they have his funeral on the fourth of july, remember this, he told me when i started to do my training, remember to build coalitions with people. have people come with something to stand for and the ability to reach out to people who are different from who they are and that's what he did very well. and he had a very strong populous agenda. he raised $1.5 billion for an organization whose slogan, "a brain is a terrible thing to waste." his legacy continues in that.

>> michael: yes, i think that what bill gray would say if he were here, let's get to business, and we have business to get to, you and i. that's interesting to know that he said those things to you as you were starting out. it was about building coalitions which he did in the congress, and needs to happen so badly in our congress today. i want to talk though about something that is really important that has gone on on monday. student loan rates doubled from 3.4 to 8.6% in this country. the interest rates on student loans. elizabeth warren has spoken out. let's take a listen. >> why do we call these loans subsidized? >> the reason why it is called subsidized because in the old bank-based program where they gave federal loans that were guaranteed the government paid subsidies to the financial institution for interest accrued during periods such as being in school.

>> are we doing that any more? >> no, that program has ended. >> we call sees subsidizeed loans even though today the program has completely changed and it's making a profit to the u.s. government. >> michael: she's making a fantastic point. why are we calling these subsidized loans. >> because if we were to tell the truth about the fact that we charge students more for an education than we charge banks to lend to each other then we would completely up end the educational system, which is something that we should do, by the way. it's not just a matter of don't double my rate. of course we want to see those interest rates go down, but we want to see the principle go down too. we need to have a fight on college afford ability, and make sure when people come out of college with an average of $35,000 in debt, combined $25,000 in bones and another $7,000 to $10,000 on credit cards, they have jobs and an opportunity to pay back those debts and make something of

themselves. >> let's talk about that. it's not just about--it's about life affordability. forget the credit card debt, 1993 the average amount of debt that a student would come out with is $15,000. now they're coming out with $27,000. they're still bogged down. how can they ever get out of that hole? a lot of people will live out their whole lives before they're out of that hole. >> many people are indentured to the banks. elizabeth warren is doing good for us in the senate, but here's the reality. if we want to talk about what the court did on affirmative action and what some of these states are doing now to women's rights it all comes back to the same thing. we have to have young people who

are motivated, registered to vote and voting. what happens is they say young people don't vote. because young people aren't expected to show up in the polls in 2014, congress doesn't think it matters what they do in 2013. we have to say look, we're going to be registered. we're going to be voting. we're going to be bringing out young people. if they fear the voter they might make better policy. >> that's an important thing. getting these people to fear the voters. which i don't think that they do enough of, and maybe that goes to gerrymandering and other things. let's talk about not fearing the voters. let's talk about brave women one of whom is alison lundergan grimes. the other is wendy davis who may run for governor of texas. what do you make of the fact that these women candidates are running in red states now? it's not something that always happens. >> no, but if you think about the great ann richards who is

smiling from heaven, and the first female governor of kentucky, who was at the announcement of allison lunderganallisonlundergan grimes. we have red state democratic women, and purple state democratic women who are taking a tanned. it's important for several reasons. one, there is a national network of women who are excited to see women run and get excited for that. and what both wendy davis and allison lundergan grimes, they can't just run on abortion rights. these women are so much more than abortion rights. fair pay equality of opportunity, you're talking about jobs, security, healthcare, and a range of issues. having strong women candidates, the more women who run

particularly in places that have not tended to elect women the better off all our national messaging will be when we say to people look, women's issues are economic issues and security issues. they shouldn't be restricted to what happened in child bearing. >> michael: let's talk about grimes quickly before we get to the end of this conversation because you know yesterday she got criticism for her press conference and how it didn't go perfectly. do you think if her name was allen grimes and not allison grimes she would have gotten the same criticism? >> let me ask you a question. if you've a kentucky voter and you have a choice between allisonallison lundergan grimes and mitch mcconnell, do you care if it started on time? no you care about the issues. he'll have to reverse his sexist

ageism, and in a hurry. >> michael: christine pelosi, thanks for being in "the war room." have a great fourth of july. coming up in the show, misinformed is a way to discuss our narcotics. the author of "high price" educates us on drugs and the drug war. right after this.

>> okay, last time. this is drugs. this is your brain on drugs. any questions? >> michael: psas like this one dominated the airwaves in the 1980s when an anti--drug crusade swept the country. in those days you couldn't pick up the paper without reading about crack babies and cocaine

destroying communities. crews are bad and we should be afraid of their effects on people. but what if everything you assumed about drugs is wrong? every day it's shown that it's the stigma and the legal connecticut againsts of drugs and drug use that do harm to people and not the drugs themselves. my next guest is here to debunk the myths and more. dr. carl hart his book is called "high price":: a neuroscientists journey of self-discovery that challenges everything you know about drugs and society." dr. carl hart, thank you for being here, dr. hart. >> thankthank you for having me. >> michael: you write about how studies are often misleading and simplistic on of the effects of

drugs on people. >> i don't know if the studies are simplistic the interpretations are. people oftentimes emphasize the negative things related to drugs and not the other effects. for example there is this belief the majority of people who use drugs like crack cocaine cocaine, heroin, meth, the majority of those people are addicted. that's the brief. that's an inaccurate belief. 80% or 90% of people who use those drugs do so without a problem. the last three guys who up occupied the white house, president obama has used cocaine, marijuana. the guy before him george bush used marijuana widely suspected of using cocaine. before him president clinton had used marijuana. all of those guys did so without problems. this is not to besmirch their reputation. this is to show much of what we

believe about guys is wrong. much of the people are like those guys, go on, pay taxes and they're responsible citizens. >> michael: you're not besmirching president bush's use of drugs. you might be helping his reputation. what is the high price that we've paid on drugs for quite awhile. >> the pricethethe price is incalculatible. whole generations of black men when we think about the folks black men make up about 5% to 6% of the u.s. population. they make up about 35% of the prison population in part because of our laws. our drug laws. they make up a substantial portion of the people who are arrested for drugs. that's one of the prices that i talk about in the book.

it's just--we spend $26 billion a year each year to control drugs, and it's just not worth it. >> michael: what do you think would happen, and this is a hypothetical if we didn't spend a dollar doing it. what difference would this country feel? >> well, one of the things that responsible country should do is make sure that the population has an education about whatever the activity is that we're concerned with. when we think about driving we spend tons of money to make sure that our highways are safe, make sure that people are wearing their seat belts driving safely. you should spend money to keep your population safe. but the point here is that our money is being misplaced when it comes to drugs because the assumptions that we make about drugs are false. when you start with false assumptions that means you're going to place your money in the wrong place. that's what we've done. primarily placed our money in law enforcement and that's a

mistake. >> michael: yeah, and i think now in hindsight certainly some people it's easy to see it as a mistake. let's go back to the president. you wrote in your book, president obama who has openly admitted to using drugs had grown up when the war on drugs was waged as it is now we may never have heard of him. a single arrest could have precluded student loans and completely ruined his life, posing a far greater threat than the drugs themselves did. president obama seems well aware of this fact, too. why isn't he the number one spokesperson for policy change. >> now you're asking me to get into the head of the president. i can't do that. i don't know. one of the things--one of the reasons why i wrote "high price" was so that the population could see the hypocrisy that goes on related to drugs and drug education, and hopefully the population places pressure on their applications not only on

obama but other applications politicians well. first they need to be educated. >> michael: let's stay in your head a little bit instead of the president's. what to you does good drug policy look like. we can't argue the fact that drugs can do irreparable damage to people's lives. >> well, first of all. that assumption you just made, i don't know if i would endorse that. i mean, it's like saying that, well we know that cars could do irreparable damage to people's lives because they can. we know that. we start with that with drugs and that's a mistake. drugs can be used, like i pointed out, the vast majority of people don't have a problem with it. why do you start with that statement? instead the statement should be the vast majority of people who use these things do so safely. why is our policy focused in a way that it seems as though we

expect people to get in trouble. i think we should worry about keeping people safe. how do we keep people safe the one who is will indulge? how do we make sure our policies-- >> michael: i guess the idea--this is a longer conversation, i appreciate what you say about the assumption i made but you talk about keeping safe there aren't seat safety belts and anti-lock breaks for drug use. >> sure there are. there are. there are. >> michael: i'll let go on. tell me about them. >> well, that's what "high price" is about. it's the safety belt. it's teaching people how to stay safe. what the effect of drugs are. if you know these sorts of things if public education was more realistic then we wouldn't have to worry about this problem that we have related to drugs. >> michael: one thing that we share and one thing that i think your book will be a service to

is everybody is looking for an answer. clearly we know what is happening now isn't working. i urge everybody, it's a book i want to read, "high price," dr. carl hart is the author. thank you for coming on the show. have a happy fourth of july. coming up on the show. no we didn't leave brett erlich out in the sun too long. he'll join us right after this.

>> michael: welcome back to "the war room." in just a few short minutes the july fourth holiday begins, the celebration of the independence day and the signing of the declaration of independence. governments snooping into private lives is the one big news item we have not yet talked about today so let's do so now. our next guest knows a thing or

two about snooping and suspicious behavior. he is comedian and author of the book "get rich cheating: the crooked path to easy street," and we're honored to have him on the show, jeff kreisler. we've tried so far. >> thanks, and that was a very eloquent introduction. well, written. >> michael: very good. thethe pursuit of edward snowden has taken up our time recently, and continues to get more and more bizarre. yesterday flying supposedly from russia in a plane that the bolivian president was in. that plane was sent to austria. bolivia has said that they would consider providing asylum to know den. why would they do that? >> there are a couple of reasons. one, bolivia is philosophically and in line with venezuela. they want to poke the stick in the eye of america.

it comes as a commercial issue for bolivia. if you think of edward snowden he's this delusional megalomaniac he's the perfect spokesman for cocaine. >> michael: he's at juan valdez of cocaine. >> economics and politics together. >> michael: they work perfectly. what would happen if another country diverted our president. >> you mean, if someone said there are drone strikes on air force one? it would be a huge diplomatic crisis. france and italy turned around the president's plane that's absurd. it's amazing that based upon a rumor of this leaker we were able to turn around a president's plane. >> michael: i'm shocked that that happened. it would be amaze going to they did that to the united states.

has the--we talk about it now. we put it here, it's not the headline story, has this pursuit gotten out of hand now? >> i think so. we've talked about this directly i think edward snowden has become a side show. he's not the real issue. essentially we're not shooting thethe messenger we're overexposing him, and we're not get together debate. are we spying on citizens or not? we're talking about snowden and greenwald, and he has become this superstar. when it's important to police people and spy on people who are breaking the law. >> michael: that's true, and the spying program that he outed was one that the director of national intelligence james clapper lied about before congress in march. listen to this. >> when i wanted to see if you could give me a yes or no answer to the question. does the nsa collect any type of

data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of americans? >> no, sir. >> it does not? >> not whitingly. there are case where is they could inadvertently perhaps collect but not wittingly. >> michael: well, jeff we learn later that was a lie. yesterday the "washington post" posted an apology all right from clapper, should we accept the apology? >> i don't think so. here is a portion of it: >> so he's saying-- >> michael: it's just a little thing that he's in charge of. he's the director of national intelligence and it just slipped my mind. how would we get rid of clapper

♪ clap on ♪ clap off ♪ the clapper ♪ >> well done. >> michael: yes, yes, we can clamclap him off. on a lighter privacy note on holiday pavel we turn travel, we turn to instagram, not only have they been givenning us all these frisks but they're on instagram. >> there are pictures of all the things they've confiscated. if you're so dumb to bring fireworks and knife guns to tsa to try to get on the plane not only should they post pictures of your contra-badass ban they should also >> of contraband, but they should show pictures of your failed ged. >> michael: funny, smart, great stuff. have a great stuff.

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>> cenk: all right welcome to the "the young turks." there it is. tahrir square live. two and a half years, two revolutions, basically. this time we've got a coup. the military said muhammad morsi, you're done, son. move aside. as usual we have our own panel heherere.. anana kaspspiaian,n, b ben m mankiewewicicz,z, wawaysys glad to have you here. jayar jackson and our special egyptian correspondent, no one