>> stephanie: all right. hello tv land. hour number one, sexy liberal hal sparks and hour number one jacki. hello, nurse jacki. here is the problem with doing a spectacular healthcare corner/ask jacki, the minute ask you something then my mailbag explodes once again. it is like trying to eat one potato chip. >> you can't. >> i feel like that doctor at a party where someone's like could you look at this? does this look infected? >> stephanie: does this look infected to you? >> i know a lot but i don't know

everything. if it is itchy, you should see a doctor. >> stephanie: it is not does this look infected. we may have to do another mini corner later. >> ok. >> stephanie: it leads to another exploding mailbag. [ explosion ] >> like a wall? >> stephanie: right. it is like an exploding uvula. >> eww! that's not a thing. >> side effects of "the stephanie miller show." >> stephanie: here she is. one of the sidekicks of "the stephanie miller show." jacki schechner. >> good morning, everybody. boston marathon bombing suspect gentleman car tsarnaev will appear in court for the first time today. his arraignment is scheduled for federal court in boston this afternoon. authorities have charged the 19-year-old with using a weapon of mass destruction which killed three people and wounded more than 260. no official word on how many of the victims or their family members will be present in court today but the u.s. attorney's office says it has reserved space for those who might want to attend. police captured tsarnaev hiding

out in a boat in watertown massachusetts, just days after the attack. and though people who know him have expressed shock at his involvement, tsarnaev allegedly wrote his motivations on the inside of that boat saying the u.s. government was killing innocent civilians and couldn't see evil go unpunished. boston mayor thomas menino saying the city is stronger now than it was before the bombings and he believes tsarnaev should and will be punish fod the full extent of the law. >> we're going to continue working with the survivors. i think they have all of the records and all of the evidence to convict this individual. >> in other news today the white house is honing in on immigration specifically trying to push house republicans to take action on comprehensive reform. the administration has released a 32-page report making the case for reform in terms of boosting the economy and reducing the deficit, terms that republican lawmakers may be able to digest. in specifics, it reads that reform will grow the economy by 3.3% and bring down the deficit

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>> stephanie: it is "the stephanie miller show." welcome to it. six minutes after the hour. 1-800-steph-12 the phone number toll free from anywhere. oh business today. it is a tough economy isn't it, jim? we were discussing before the show how you might not maximize profits for instance. i could replace you with a robot. >> nice software. >> stephanie: thank you. >> stephanie you can't do that. [ applause ]

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[ ♪ magic wand ♪ ] it's because i bought the house from old people. you remember. i had like a '70s internal vacuum. >> central vacuum system. >> stephanie: everything was repaired with masking tape. then i have -- you know, there is literally like phones i can't even -- that's why i need the cordless because all of the phones have the cords. >> still the ma bell in the wall. >> stephanie: right. that's how you answer the door. i just gotta sell the house and move. can't do anything. see, i'm literally probably outside the nsa's grasp because i literally cannot move forward with technology and remain in my house. >> you have ported phones so they can't possibly listen with a radio in the street. >> stephanie: see? that's what i'm saying. i'm protected. >> fantastic! old school technology. it it's the best. >> stephanie: i do have -- it's supposed to be quirky and charming. >> and cute like a b & b. >> right!

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lady! all right. are we prevacation again? >> no, we're not. >> stephanie: it is just summer. the summer doldrums. we've turned the show into plain talk every day. i'm becoming increasingly obsessed with what happened on this flight, aren't you? someone was saying -- someone wrote me, then i saw other people talking about it on tv about asian culture being -- respectful or polite. >> you don't want to challenge your superior. >> stephanie: can you imagine? we're americans. hey [ bleep ] we're crashing, moron. >> we're really low and slow and we're probably going to -- >> apparently the guy who was teaching the other guy how to land, that was his first time teaching. >> oh, great! >> stephanie: nicely done. nicely done. >> after 4,000 hour flight from seoul. >> stephanie: first time landing a plane. i mean literally. >> second guy. it was his first time landing. >> stephanie: in san francisco airport. and on that aircraft. i was on cnn last night.

they said 40 something hours. he only had 35 hours on that kind of plane. >> that's a complicated plane. you should have more hours than that. before you land it at a major metropolitan airport. >> stephanie: it is horrible. a couple of people died but it was like is there anyone on board that knows how to land this particular type of plane? [ screaming ] >> apparently two of the flight attendants were ejected when the tail broke in half. they just kind of rolled along the tarmac. they survived. >> stephanie: yeah. i was saying someone -- that's what they're look at is the culture. what happened in the cockpit because that is -- >> i hate to bother you but. >> stephanie: excuse me, i hate to be rude. >> we're about to hit the runway >> stephanie: i don't mean to be questioning your skills but oh, my god! [ screaming ]

>> see that seawall? we should be well above that right now. >> stephanie: the speed at which you're flying and how quickly the runway is. i love that they literally -- they were saying like -- i have all of the details. about how quick -- how you know -- close to impact before they said anything. it was like two seconds to impact. by the way i think we need more engine speed. >> jet engines, you can't slam the throttle forward like that. you need to rev them up. fairly slowly. at least the early jets. >> stephanie: somebody was saying it takes ten seconds to rev the engines up. ten seconds is like a lifetime when you're that close to landing. >> they should have put the nose down at least. >> shoulda woulda, coulda. >> stephanie: if i was up there with you two in the cockpit, i already would have been bitching. >> you're doing that wrong! don't do that! do that. the other way around.

>> stephanie: overly polite. dear god. >> no, no, after you. >> stephanie: that's when it comes to handy. >> oh, no, you first. thank you! >> that's all we need. >> stephanie: that's when it comes in handy to be ugly americans. hey, moron what the hell are you doing? get your nose up. >> stephanie: the ntsb chairwoman yesterday. >> we're now going to be looking at flight data recorder information to validate parameters, things like the auto throttles. >> that means nothing. what does that mean? >> that they would automatic -- more often than not now they land planes remotely. >> stephanie: some of that equipment wasn't work at sfo. it was under repair. >> a lot of people don't get as much practice slamming planes as they should. >> stephanie: for those of you

who don't speak plane like chris and i, it would be as if robert hayes cannot blow up the auto pilot. >> via the tube. >> stephanie: auto was under construction. okay. this is in the "l.a. times." this is where i learned -- i had a tutorial. would you like one? cockpit actions of asiana crash scrutinized. investigators focus on why the copilots of asiana airplanes flight 214 didn't discuss their predicament. that's what everybody -- obviously they already have the cockpit recordings and it was -- that's what was -- there's like nothing. they're not even talking about that anything is wrong until two seconds before -- so it was pilot lee -- somebody said they got this wrong. it was pilot lee's first time landing a boeing 777 at san francisco international airport. yikes. i'm guessing he didn't mention that on the public address system.

ladies and gentlemen fastin your seatbelts. >> this is my first time up here so wish me luck! [ screaming ] >> stephanie: my first time ever landing a plane at this particular airport. >> i've always relied on the auto pilot to take over. and now i've got to figure this out. >> stephanie: kind of wing it. >> see what you did there. >> stephanie: ladies and gentlemen, flight attendants, okay. right. and by the way, i should also mention i only have 35 hours. [ screaming ] >> cessna 172. close enough. >> stephanie: people start ejecting. i'm out. i like my chances better with the chutes. >> they don't have parachutes. >> stephanie: i never pay attention to the safety instructions. now, i am, i tell you what, every now and again. i sometimes get lazy when i have a blanket over here and i don't fasten my seatbelt.

>> you didn't do that in your car. >> stephanie! >> stephanie: i feel like i'm rebelling but now i'm not. wait until you hear the details of this whole thing because i always figure, what good is that going to do? if the plane crashes. >> a lot of good. >> it keeps you from ejecting from the seat. >> stephanie: right. that's what happened. the whole reason why this many people survived this. >> also, it is good to look for the exit rows and know exactly where they are. smoke-filled cabin, you can count the number of seats. >> stephanie: i'm paying extra attention next time. i may ask her to repeat it. i'll raise my hand like a good passenger. excuse me, i'm sorry. could you go back? >> where's my mai tai? >> stephanie: i do not drink mai tais on planes. >> i think you're required to on the way to hawaii. even pilots. >> stephanie: a key part of the landing system was not

working. he was forced to visually guide the jetliner into the runway which he obviously did not have the training to do. >> need a lot of practice on that. >> stephanie: i've already done my investigation. all right. lots more fascinating details as we continue with that, 18 minutes after the hour. right back on "the stephanie miller show." >> announcer: pull over. you're dwl driving while laughing. [ laughter ] it's "the stephanie miller show."

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♪ hey, now, you're an all-star ♪ ♪ get your game on, let's play ♪ ♪ get the show on, get paid ♪ ♪ all that glitters is gold ♪ ♪ only shooting stars ♪ >> stephanie: it is "the stephanie miller show." you were coming in a little low. a little low there. >> thanks. >> stephanie: back from the break. 23 minutes after the hour. >> need more work on the simulator. >> stephanie: 1-800-steph-12. >> i defer to you. it is part of my culture. >> stephanie: that's why this show is a disaster. 1-800-steph-12 toll free from anywhere. one of the asiana flight attendants yesterday. >> tule, i was not thinking but acting. as soon as i heard emergency escape, i conducted the evacuation.

>> stephanie: you know, someone was saying that's the upside. it says a lot about how much airline safety has gotten better, at least that this many people survived. they were saying the flight crew did an amazing job of evacuating people before the fire. >> you always hear flight crews doing an amazing job. they're the heroes here. >> stephanie: how about the one that lunged, the shoe guy or the underwear guy. remember, she lung and got the lighter. she lunged and got the lighter. she's a ninja. >> we salute flight crews. >> but in this case, they had so many horribly injured people. spinal injuries and internal -- how do you get people out of there in a hurry? >> stephanie: i think the other thing is they must have been in shock enough because you're right. everybody got out of there quickly. a lot of them, as jim was saying, we'll go through the details. really bad injuries in terms of spinal stuff and being able to walk. i can only imagine it was fear and adrenaline and all of that.

>> fortunately, the fire was onlien with one side -- fortunately, the fire was only on one side. >> stephanie: everybody was trying to figure out what was happening in the cockpit. because the recorder shows there was no discussion. we speculated chipmunks were flying the plane. >> after you. >> oh, no, you first. >> thank you. >> stephanie: there was lack of any sort of discussion of their predicament the experts are saying which is troubling. they were saying is it part of the culture. although you know, the senior pilot -- the first officer that was flying, you would think that this -- the captain would have said something sooner. right? that's the underling. >> he had the copilot land. >> stephanie: the first officer but the captain is what i'm saying. i don't know. >> sounds like things were a little cattywampas up there in the cockpit. >> stephanie: that wouldn't be

deferential. the guy underneath the captain the one flying, maybe he didn't want to rat on himself. i'm doing a crappy job of this. what do you think? >> nobody wants to say that when they're undergoing pretty much what is considered a performance review. you know? >> stephanie: right. you don't feel the need to point it out when you screw up. i'm on it. you give me that look. >> stephanie: sometimes it is just a look. i don't need to say anything. >> then i avoid looking at you in order to -- >> stephanie: right. then you make eye contact with jim. >> which is even worse. >> stephanie: then you know you're really desperate. >> as flight 214 approached the airport, it was flying as has been discussed too low and too slow. that should have been a warning to the pilot to abort the landing and make another attempt according to aviation experts. another problem jim, is there was a study about how few pilots will do that. will abort you know, when they should, when the flight path is not -- >> it is embarrassing to have to

go around. >> stephanie: right. it is a version of a guy saying that this never happens. i'm so sorry. i don't know what's -- never happens to me. what was even more baffling, he and the more experienced copilot didn't discuss the predicament. cockpit voice recordings show the two didn't communicate until less than two seconds before the plane struck the seawall. >> lot of whistling before. [ whistle ] >> stephanie: no. there was no nothing. >> okay, too late. >> stephanie: one expert said we're looking at what they were doing and why they were doing it. you know where my mind goes. >> where? >> stephanie: you know, sex scandal. what's happening? what was going on? i don't know. they were obviously distracted. pilots can be -- this is the part i was mentioning. to abort even when the approach is unstable although pilots have improved in their willingness to

abort, it remains a problem in the industry. published report, 97% of the time pilots do not abort a flight from an unstable approach. the reasons most often cited is their experience and competency to recover. in this guy's case, that was not the case. he didn't have enough time in this particular plane. he never landed that the particular airport. >> plus, republicans tried to give him a transvaginal probe. >> stephanie: exactly. [ ♪ circus ♪ ] that was a good one jim. >> it gets in the way. >> get out of here! we're busy. what are you doing? >> trying to abort. stop it. get out of my business. damn, big government. >> oh, god. >> stephanie: that was really funny, jim! [ applause ] okay. lee the pilot at the controls of the boeing 777 only had -- they're saying 43 hours in the "l.a. times" as i was saying when i was on cnn they say 35 which was less than they originally reported.

>> 35? three and a half hours. >> 35 minutes. >> stephanie: 35 seconds. just those 35 seconds before he hit the -- in that type of jet. he had thousands of hours in other types. not that particular type. he was being supervised by the more experienced captain lee young minh. he did not call for a go around. it was far too late for the abort to occur. by then, the aircraft systems were warning it was near stall a condition in which it doesn't have enough lift to continue flying. lee had called for more engine power which came too late. powerful engines on big jetliners can take from ten seconds to go from idle to full thrust. they were out of time for every scenario. i don't know if this is fascinated to anyone else. i have more details. 29 minutes after the hour. right back on "the stephanie miller show."

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>> stephanie: right. >> caller: the bigger and more complex a jet is like a 777 the more dependent it is on that sort of information to make its decisions. as a computer. >> stephanie: it particularly when you have a pilot first time at that airport and has not had a lot of hours on that aircraft right? >> caller: yeah, but i don't think it is about the pilot's inexperience. i think he just didn't have enough information to make good decisions. >> stephanie: mm-hmm. >> caller: it is all about the sequester, if you ask me. the reason the faa didn't replace that glide path indicator is they didn't have the money to do it. they couldn't make it safe. >> stephanie: i had not heard that. i don't know -- we should really investigate whether the sequester -- i thought the sequester was more like air-traffic controllers and stuff like that. >> that is part of air-traffic control. >> stephanie: i'm sure that will come out if that's the case. the "l.a. times" reporting yesterday what he just -- john

was just talking about. the glide path instrument were taken out of service in june for construction. i don't know jim. maybe it's not because of the sequester. the crew had two other automated systems to help them make a smooth landing but i think you alluded to this, flight crews the "l.a. times" writes has become increasingly reliant. jetliners execute fully automated landings. kids have too many fancy gadgets these days. don't have to do things by hand anymore. >> in my day you will to swing the prop. >> stephanie: right. in my day, you had to -- >> clean your goggles. get mosquitoes on them. >> stephanie: right. too many things are automated. in the process crews are at risk of losing their proficiency to handle complex jobs with their own skills. that's what some of the experts were saying. another aviation expert says in the u.s., pilots are trained in stick and rudder skills and looking out the window of an airplane. see, good old-fashioned looking

out the window. the runway looks too close. >> it is not like they have a side window like we have. they have a front facing window. >> stephanie: in the day when you could tell snoopy to take a peek out the back and see what's happening down there. red baron. idea of a stable approach from day one. pilots are trained differently overseas but this is what u.s. aviation expert is saying. in its communications in the cockpit, investigators and researchers will be looking for company policies or cultural issues as we've been talking about that may have caused the problem. they have documented pilots are unlikely to question authority. >> stephanie: it also -- as i was saying, it is the junior guy that was landing the plane and the captain was overseeing so i'm not -- you know. then that goes to was the captain giving the wrong

instructions and the guy didn't want to say -- >> you're doing fine. go ahead! >> stephanie: was there any glug glug, glug going on? apparently the cockpit recording, they did not pick that up. >> what was that noise? cartoon drinking sound. >> that's not normal. what was that? >> stephanie: am i doing this right? >> glug, glug, glug. >> yeah. >> stephanie: clink clink clink, clink tiny airplane bottles. >> glug, glug, glug. >> stephanie: am i going in too slow? put a finger outside. nope nope. >> seems fast enough to me. >> should i look at the airspeed indicator? >> stephanie: was john bainer in the cockpit? what happened? >> part of the sequester.

>> stephanie: that's where my mind goes. drinking or sex or both were going on. but probably not. just saying. i'm just trying to sex the story up a little bit. so we were also talking about safety stuff and i did -- being an ex-catholic girl, i made a confession. i'm never doing it again. i have, from time to time, not done my seatbelt. because you can cover it. you can get away with it. >> i can't believe you! >> stephanie: if you have a jacket or something you're like -- >> typical catholic girl. >> stephanie: right. i feel like i'm getting away with something. >> i might die but i'm getting away with something. >> stephanie: spinal injury, feeling like a rebel. spinal injury? sometimes i feel like a rebel. feeling frisky. [ applause ] >> born to be wild -- ow! why didn't anyone warn me? >> stephanie: because no one pays attention to the instructions. >> what now? >> stephanie: i'm going to ask her to repeat it several times.

i don't care if it annoys fellow passengers. many survivors of saturday's plane crash in san francisco have a surprising pattern of spine injuries that shows how violently they were shaken despite wearing seatbelts. they're saying in this particular case, clearly a lot of lives. in fact, one of the girls that died, there was speculation she did not have her seatbelt on. she was found on the runway. so far two people are unable to move their legs. doctors don't know if the damage is permanent. several others have needed surgery to stabilize their spine so they can move. again, it goes to the discussion we're having at the beginning of the show. there's got to be -- there must have been a lot of adrenaline and the flight crew to get that many people out walking that quickly because among -- they're also saying among some of the worst injuries are crushed vertebrae and ligaments so stretched and torn they can't hold neck and back joints in place. >> wow. >> stephanie: as you said, amazing they all were able to get out walk and get out of there that quickly before the

fires. the injuries, one doctor saying somewhat reminiscent of the day before shoulder belts in cars. although much more severe. so this -- this piece, the ap saying does that mean shoulder belts would prevent more injuries. >> not necessarily. >> stephanie: an expert says that simplistic considering speed, it might transfer the force to the neck. and also that would be a major pain in the ass. >> and a pape in the neck. >> stephanie: can you imagine wearing a shoulder thing on the whole flight. >> bend down to your bag underneath, you can't do it. >> stephanie: or your chardonnay. >> i just wanted to get my headphones. >> stephanie: strapped in there, right? like a gurney for god's sake. the airline industry says adding three-point seatbelts would require major changes to seat design which would mean higher airfares and less comfort. is it possible to be less

comfortable than we are now? >> have you flown coach lately? >> stephanie: is there a way you can raise my cost and make it less comfortable? i bet you could do it. [ ♪ magic wand ♪ ] >> if you really try. >> get my knees closer to my face. >> stephanie: i know. is it me? what is the deal? can the seats get any closer? can we have any less legroom? >> it is like a kindergarten classroom. little tiny chairs. >> stephanie: you touched my juice box! all right. so yeah, the stories are sad. as i was mentioning about the girl that -- two chinese students died. but i was saying that speculation was one was not wearing a seatbelt and they're still investigating -- we were talking yesterday whether one ras run over by an emergency vehicle. i don't know if it was the same one allegedly not wearing a seatbelt that was ejected. dozens of chinese students were on the flight bound for summer camp, different places here in the u.s. two died. several were injured.

students ranged from age from 16 to 17 heading to different colleges and high schools around california as part of a three-week summer camp. two other teens from the group remain hospitalized. one is still? serious condition. obviously the whole article talking about how they're mostly in shock. and they miss their families back in china. they're traumatized to get back on a plane already. the article basically saying they're stuck in limbo. >> can't we send them on a boat? >> stephanie: slow boat to china? >> i didn't say a slow boat. >> stephanie: have they not been through enough. >> in the morning in the evening, we've got food poisoning. >> stephanie: these poor kids. first of all two classmates have died. secondly they're traumatized. they're in another country. they're obviously not going forward with the camps at all. they're just trying to figure out what to do. right. and with the speculation this article, one of the dead teens

whose body was found on the runway may not have been wearing a seatbelt. the conis -- consulate is still waiting for the word on her. the whole story is just -- you know, from everybody in the story, they're just talking about these really -- good kids, you know. good kids, nice kids. you can imagine traumatized in a different country. send some thoughts and prayers out. all right. 44 minutes after the hour. we roll along on "the stephanie miller show." >> announcer: join the party. 1-800-steph-12.

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>> caller: we keep you off that bicurious airline. >> stephanie: transvaginal bicurious airline. >> what airline did you fly with? >> caller: i was with united. >> my wife was with pan am. >> caller: that was a great airline. >> stephanie: i'm always nice to flight attendants. i hit that when i see people being douches to flight attendants. if there is an emergency you're suddenly going to get nice, aren't you? >> caller: that's when they stop calling you waitresses. >> stephanie: they stop calling you space waitress. >> caller: or waitress, can i have another drink here. >> oh! >> caller: then i administer to somebody having a heart attack. >> talk to your cardiologist. oh nurse! say what? i went to medical school. >> stephanie: see how that's going to end for you. lou in maryland, you're on "the stephanie miller show." hello, lou. >> caller: hello, stephanie. by the way, they have your

birthday wrong on your web site. 1961 is not your birthday. i know that. you're much too pretty and much too young. >> well, parts of her. >> lou good lord! >> stephanie: thank you. >> caller: it is easy to hit on you when you're 3,000 miles away. >> stephanie: how safe is that. [ ♪ magic wand ♪ ] >> caller: on the crash in san francisco, i was an army pilot and had an instrument rating and there are several things that these guys either didn't know or nobody caught them. or nobody doubt them. they said the instrument landing system was out which i don't believe. >> stephanie: you don't believe it? why? >> caller: they should have closed down -- well, should have closed down the runway. but given they didn't even need it. to the right and left of each runway, there are two lights -- two pairs of lights. that help you on the glide path.

if you're on the glide path, they both are showing green. if you're below the glide path, the lower one is red. the upper one is green. and if you're above, it is the opposite. red over green. secondly, we were taught to look at the numbers on the runway. ie you're supposed to land on the numbers what they always say. if the numbers appear to be going away from you you're too low. if you're coming toward you you're too high. they didn't -- then they had -- >> stephanie: you mentioned instrument rating. don't you remember all of this conversation back with poor jfk jr. remember, they talked about -- i think the thing is he was not instrument rated so if you're flying at night you need the visual, right? >> not necessarily. >> dusk. >> caller: he basically did not believe his instruments. either that or somehow he got

vertigo in which case all bets are off. >> stephanie: you don't know which is up or down. >> caller: right. they teach us even in instrument rating, they cover everything up and we go with what's called needle ball and airspeed. your airspeed which is independent of electronics. the needle which goes left and right, whether or not you're turning. and the ball -- by turning banking. >> stephanie: lou, can i ask you a dumb layperson question. in terms of all of the stuff pilots have to do, is landing the hardest? because even on regular commercial flights you always take notice of when there is a really smooth landing and when there is a really rough one and you're like wow holy. [ buzzer ] is this the first time? >> you have landings and then you have arrivals. [ laughter ] >> yeah, okay. >> stephanie: some are like airplane arriving gate 10, gate 11, gate 12. >> caller: one airplane arrives

at gate 12 and 13, you have a problem. >> stephanie: is it the hardest thing? >> taking off is nothing. the airplane will do that itself. landing, yes. it is a matter of timing and guessing -- not guessing but knowing how high the cockpit is. off the ground. otherwise, you round out flatten out your flight and hopefully the wheels will kiss the runway. >> stephanie: i make a point of complimenting pilots on really good landings, i will do so even more now. >> caller: oh, i do, too. >> you'll appreciate this as an army pilot, you can tell when you have a navy pilot because they land it like on an aircraft carrier, they slam it down to catch the wire. >> caller: it is a controlled crash. >> basically. >> stephanie: wasn't that an old george carlin line? it is not -- a water landing, it is a crash. >> what did you fly in the army? >> caller: oh, i flew what was called a bird dog 01 bird dog

single engine. i was up on the dmz in vietnam. >> stephanie: yikes. >> glad you made it back. >> caller: one last thing. they had all four pilots in the cockpit. that's the rule. >> stephanie: i didn't even know -- is there always four? >> in a long flight like that, yes. >> stephanie: two relieve pilots. ten hour flight. >> caller: whenever you go through a procedure like prelanding, there is a checklist. one person reads it. and the pilot mimics it. wheels down, wheels down. three in the green down and locked. each one is a call and response. it is hard to miss anything. the two guys sitting in the back looking at the instruments. >> stephanie: what do you think happened here, lou? >> caller: i think two things. they were so busy on this guy getting his rating and they had their heads in the cockpit but not on all of the proper

instruments. they weren't looking at the altimeter or the airspeed. >> stephanie: thank you. >> caller: one last thing. very last thing. in aviation, you have a good landing is one you can walk away from. a great landing landing is one where you can reuse the airplane. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: lou with a little plane humor there. [ applause ] this in. automated cockpit equipment. asiana flight 214's pilots say they were relying on -- the speed may have contributed to the dangerously low and slow approach before it crashed. the focus is was there a mistake made in setting the automatic speed control? did it malfunction or were the pilots fully aware of what the plane was doing. the auto throttle was set for 157 miles per hour and the pilots assumed it was controlling the plane's airspeed, however it was only armed or ready for activation according to an expert. the pilot at the control as we

mentioned only about halfway through his training on that particular plane. first time landing at sfo. the pilot was on his first trip as a flight instructor as jim mentioned earlier. two of the four pilots were questioned. the rest were interviewed yesterday. one american airlines captain said the only way he could think for the asiana plane to slow as quickly would be if the auto throttle had shifted into idle mode. he said there's no way to get from a normal airspeed at 500 feet to an abnormally slow speed at 300 feet unless there wasn't enough thrust, deliberately or inadvertently. only moments before, did he realize the auto throttle wasn't controlling the plane's speed. >> that makes sense. >> stephanie: i'm going can you not -- >> don't trust the auto throttle. >> stephanie: like the car when you knock it into neutral? more on all of this. 58 minutes after the hour. right back on "the stephanie miller show."

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people that are upset he's going. he's going to new york for six months but you get so attached. it is like a little 45-minute therapy session. >> stephanie: i'm a bad friend because i didn't tell you. >> did you know before i knew? >> stephanie: yes. >> i was the last to know? >> stephanie: yes. don't make it worse for her. here she is, jacki schechner in the current news center. >> good morning, everybody. hillary clinton still hasn't said whether she plans to run for president in 2016 but the group that is pushing her to run is taking another big step and putting the infrastructure in place in case she does which of course helps make the case that she probably will. ready for hillary is adding two obama campaign veterans. jeremy burr, the president's former field director and mitchshore, one of his earlier aides. they have formed a new firm called 270 strategies and their team plans to use its grassroots

and digital organizing experience to bring together clinton supporters who are currently scattered nationwide. bird tells abc it is up to clinton whether or not she wants to run but the machine will be ready when she does. too soon to talk about all of this. probably. in a new gallup poll shows majority of americans would rather the presidential campaign season itself were much shorter than it is. 61% would vote for a new law to limit the campaign to just five weeks before the november election. and a final and formal vote is scheduled for today in the texas state house on the abortion bill that would ban the procedure after 20 weeks of pregnancy. republicans provisionally approved the measure on its third try last night. democrats not happy. >> we think they should have a right and a choice and the choice should be whether or not they want to carry a child or to terminate it. i think this bill sets us back a tremendous step back into the dark ages. >> sure does.

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♪ it's a beautiful day ♪ ♪ don't let it get away ♪ >> stephanie: it is "the stephanie miller show." this week known as plane talk. 1-800-steph-12 the phone number toll free. i think i could fly a plane now. if they have the fancy automated things, i think i'm good to go. >> fancy automated things. >> stephanie: hal sparks, hump days with hal. between that and my post-college job cleaning planes at the van nuys airport i think i'm good to go. >> you wouldn't know trim tab from -- >> stephanie: that sounds

sexy. 1-800-steph-12 the phone number toll free from anywhere. we have lots more. lots more breaking details. [ ♪ "nbc nightly news" ♪ ] we've been talking about the san francisco crash. once again proving we have more pilots or former pilots in our listening audience -- and they're funny! lou. >> stephanie: lou with the pilot humor. [ ♪ "nbc nightly news" ♪ ] >> stephanie: okay. so yeah, this was like fascinating to me though. they were talking about what's it called, jim the doo-hickey, the auto throttle. so they were talking about whether that could have inadvertently shifted into the idle mode. i'm like what? when you're -- in your car and you knock it into neutral? >> stephanie: you're like what the hell is going on here? >> i wouldn't trust auto throttle as far as i can throw it. >> stephanie: the latest speculation is the auto throttle was only armed and ready for activation but there's no -- they don't know yet whether it was actually activated.

and -- >> that's what it sounds like. >> stephanie: an american airlines captain said the only way he could think of for the plane to slow as quickly as it has described is if it shifted into the idle mode. >> oh god. >> stephanie: maybe that's a bad analogy. i'm sure one of the pilots can tell me. whether it is a bad analogy shifting your car into neutral when you're making out in high school. moments before the crash did the training captain realize the auto throttle wasn't controlling the speed. one expert said its automation confusion because from what the ntsb said, it appears very likely pilots were confused as to what auto throttle and pitch mode the airplane was in. they believe the auto throttles were on when in fact they were only armed and not on. the last second efforts to rev the plane back up and abort the landing failed although numerous survivors reported hearing the engines roar before impact, you can only imagine how terrifying it would to be on this plane. i think because you know, thank

god, airline crashes are rare, i think you always -- we've all been through scary moments. you think it will be fine. in this case -- no. one of the survivors said we seemed to be flying in way too low. >> never trust a hal to fly a plane. >> stephanie: not hal sparks. i'm sure he would be fine. don't you think this is going to make people more panicky if things are slightly awry. there will be a lot of the ding-dong, ding-dong flight attendant, what's happening? i would like to speak to the captain. >> we're coming in too slow. what's happening? >> somebody check the auto throttle please. what's going on there? >> stephanie: like a nation of schneiders. excuse me, it seems to me there might be something off with the pitch. had enough hours of training on the stick and shake and stick something thing? right, stick shaker. okay. so one survivor said we seem to be flying in way too low.

last couple of seconds the engines revved into high. >> when the pilots realized what if what was going on. >> the quote waaaah. like the captain was saying oh, no, we gotta get out of here. boom, the back end lifted up, really jolted everybody in their seats. one passenger ben he will i have noticed that the aircraft was flying low near the water but said he dismissed concerns. you're like it will be fine. until he saw water from the bay splashing in his window. >> computer says no. >> really? >> stephanie: suddenly, you're in a boat. >> oh, god! >> stephanie: he felt the engine go full power in an apparent attempt to lift the plane. that's when i realized this was wrong. if there's bay water splashing at your window, perhaps suddenly you're a paddleboat. passengers moved quickly. if this were all americans

would this have happened? stepping on each other? all a bunch of fat bastards. this is fairly incredible, why so many survived. people were not rushing out fighting for their lives. they were like okay, let's be orderly and get out fast but let's not step on each other. >> fortunately, the fire was only on one side of the plane so they could get out on the left side. the ones that didn't crawl out the back where the tail used to be. >> stephanie: i would have totally -- >> big exit door there. >> stephanie: i would have totally stepped on your neck to get out a half second sooner. >> of course you wouldn't have felt it. >> stephanie: i would have used you as a flotation device. >> because liss neck is -- >> i have no neck. >> his neck is one of the cables on the golden gate bridge and you weigh two pounds so you wouldn't have felt it. >> stephanie: you're not supposed to lift the whole machine. just parts of it. because you're muscular. >> you see.

>> stephanie: okay. here is an interesting not so fun fact. while in the u.s., drug and alcohol tests are standard procedure after accidents. this is not required for foreign pilots. the asiana pilots had not undergone any testing. >> you would think if they were on american soil, they would be subject to american laws and regulations regarding the -- >> stephanie: we'll never know. >> this is your captain drink -- speaking. i think we're above the right airport but i can't be sure. >> stephanie: jaunty irish music. how many times do you think they made that mistake? this is your captain drinking -- what did i say? they're all irish on the plane. nobody cares. nobody notices or cares. they're like what? of course the pilot's drunk. >> they're irish. >> i think i'm going to do --

make sure your seatbelts are fastened. ♪ >> hold on to your lucky charms. >> stephanie: buzzing the tower. do some shots when i buzz the tower. >> shots of whiskey. >> stephanie: irish whiskey. of course. okay. seven seconds before impact, someone in the cockpit asked for more speed after apparentlyth inning the jet was flying far slower than recommended landing lead. the yoke began to vibrate violently, an automatic warning telling the pilot the plane is losing lift and is in danger of an ire row dynamic stall. there's been no indication from verbal calls or mechanical issues that an emergency was declared by the pilots. which is amazing. as we were talking about with lou -- our pilot friend last hour. >> stephanie: our last pilot i'm between pilots right now but there's four pilots on a

long flight. there's two relief pilots. so one expert was saying if there are four pilots there even if you're sitting on a jumpsuit think leonardo dicaprio, a deadhead. >> sure. >> stephanie: what's the denzel washington movie? see, if there had been drug and alcohol testing "flight." that's something you watch. we were saying that even if the two captains didn't notice, the other two -- it is fairly stunning. the airline pilot's association said the ntsb's release of out of context information has fueled speculation about the accident. well, that and talk radio. we have three hours to fill. >> that's all we do. >> stephanie: speculating. good luck. stop the speculation. it will be months before the investigation is complete. >> in theory if superman could have reversed the rotation of the earth, they could have flown backwards and -- >> stephanie: pilot's association and did you see the footage of the head of the

airline was mobbed at the airport and people shouting questions. he's apologized to the families. but he's not allowed to meet with the pilots because no outside contact is allowed until the investigation is complete. we should ask denzel washington what he thinks. >> we'll get him on the phone right now. >> stephanie: right. >> because he knows everything there is to know about flying a plane because he played a pilot once. >> stephanie: anyone with an opposable thumb that can say they used to be a pilot can chime in here. for instance, kathy in colorado. hello, kathy. >> caller: hi, stephanie. my media goddess. well, i'm an unmarried childless 65-year-old but i have very very strong -- >> stephanie: apparently you have several finches. >> i have cockatiels. i have a strong feeling for the parents of those two teenage daughters because of the one child policy in china.

you know, they probably don't have any brothers or sisters and these parents have put everything into raising these two girls and they've lost them. so i just wanted to bring that up because it is so sad. >> stephanie: i had heard that mentioned, kathy. as a mother to cockatiels, i know. no, i was thinking that. i think they were saying there's not been confirmation but as you say, because of that policy, it is probably likely. it is very sad. >> it is sad. especially girls because so many chinese people want boys and they raise these two girls then lost them. so anyway, love the show. love the mooks. >> stephanie: will in minneapolis. you're on "the stephanie miller show." >> caller: good morning. >> stephanie: good morning. >> caller: i was just calling regarding the captain. lee, he would have been in the left seat and the check airman or the training pilot would have been in the right seat and even though it was his first time as an instructor pilot as you call

him, he had 3300 hours in -- >> stephanie: 777. that was his first time in there. >> we have an acronym in flying called ftfa which is fly the f'ing airplane. no one was flying the airplane. >> stephanie: sounds like a perfect storm in that again, the pilot, you know, the experience of the flight instructor as a flight instructor, as the pilot of this plane and at this airport -- this automated stuff that wasn't working right? >> well, that's true. but the thing is they also had a visual reference on the left side of the runway called papi. you can google it. they had visual reference. they didn't have instrument reference. they needed more power.

>> the red and green lights someone was talking about earlier? >> caller: those are old. they don't use those anymore. red and white but it is papi. they should have used it. i don't know. they killed a whole lot of people. jim, what you were saying about them, they needed to lower the nose. had they lowered the nose in the position they were in, a lot of people probably would have drown. >> okay. >> stephanie: will, you know what just occurred to me, this show has become sleepless in seattle. the guys are talking about planes and old war stories and women are talking about other things that make us cry. okay. 18 minutes after the hour. right back on "the stephanie miller show." >> announcer: there's a tea party in her pants and you're invited. call now, 1-800-steph-12.

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>> stephanie: very inappropriate. 1-800-steph-12 we just like it because it sounds dirty. okay. it is an actual thing. what is it jim? >> auto throttle. >> stick shaker is a different thing. when the yokes start to shake it means you're about to stall. >> and that's a problem. nothing to do with the engines. >> stephanie: got it. that's a different meg ryan movie altogether. >> i'll have what she's having.

>> oh, god. ooh, oh, god. >> the last caller was calling about, the papi is a precision approach path indicator, a series of lights on the left side of the runway. >> stephanie: roger that. >> showing you're on the right -- >> stephanie: roger that and also tango echo. 1-800-steph-12 the phone number toll free from anywhere. we haven't talked to a pilot in -- >> minutes! >> stephanie: like a minute to a minute and a half now. what's up with that? all right. so yeah, we will -- keep you apprised of anymore details coming out of the san francisco air tragedy. we were talking about landings. i was asking lou, our last pilot, my last pilot right away i'm hungry for another one of all of the things you have to do as a pilot that's the hardest landing. you're always aware when you have a really great landing on a flight or when it is a little -- you're like whoa! >> that was abrupt.

>> what's happening up there captain? chris says steph and the mooks the best landing i ever experienced, see you always remember your best landing. was on a united regional jet from denver to sioux falls. the landing was so smooth, there was literally no bump. we were in the air descending then we were slowing down and taxiing to the gate. people looked around did we already land? the entire plane spontaneously gave the pilots a round of applause. that's how you know when there is a rock star cheer when the pilot comes out of the cockpit. >> what kind of plane was it? >> fairly small plane. >> stephanie: they used to be able to use their lighters but not anymore. >> what's that on the side of your face? >> stephanie: who can say? why are there cameras in here? >> you have green stuff. >> stephanie: do i really? going to have to live there. too bad. i obviously was not ready. >> did you fall asleep in a

spinach patch? >> there are three vertical stripes. >> stephanie: you know what? i need to go back to old timey radio where there's no damn tv cameras in here. technology today! see. >> kids today! >> stephanie: it is like the automation pilots need. it is like i can't do radio without the stupid cameras here. now i have green stuff on my face. you know what? moo my day you used to be able to do an entire radio show with green stuff on your face and nobody cared. [ ♪ "nbc nightly news" ♪ ] we have other news. >> yes, we do. >> stephanie: some big news on the gay rights front. enda, i can't believe we're still talking about this in 2013. whether it is okay to discriminate against anybody. i don't care you're black gay old, wharf. i don't understand this. this seattle case with the florist. i don't understand why -- isn't there -- for somebody that

separates from church and state. i don't get it. what should your religious beliefs have to do with being able to discriminate against people for any reason. >> the private business isn't considered state. >> stephanie: that's why there is this case in the state of washington. florists refused to provide service for a gay wedding. anyway, i can't believe we're having this discussion. it is okay to fire people for being gay or discriminate. a senate committee set to vote on the nondiscrimination act. particularly with what happened at the supreme court and the marriage act. trying to convince mark kirk, republican of illinois along with the democrats. they named the freedom to work organization named senators richard burr, republican of north carolina lisa murkowski along with lamar alexander republican of tennessee and orrin hatch republican of utah. he said my tendency is to vote for the bill.

he wanted to make sure exemptions for religious organizations remain strong. that's the part i don't get. in terms of separation of church and state. i don't get how your religious beliefs allow you to discriminate against somebody, you know, lawfully. it is like -- there is an exemption for you to be a bigot because it makes you feel icky? >> it is a big. [ ♪ big band ♪ ] -- it is a bigit's right exemption. >> stephanie: my automated yes person. >> computer says yes. [ ♪ "nbc nightly news" ♪ ] >> stephanie: yes, that's right. [ ♪ "nbc nightly news" ♪ ] pennsylvania law banning gay american faces court challenge because we have created this patchwork now, this legal crazy quilt of regulations. >> mama's right right again as usual. absolutely. >> stephanie: why, thank you. >> you're absolutely right. you're right.

they're wrong. >> stephanie: that's right. civil rights lawyers filed -- >> your automatic stick shaker. >> stephanie: civil rights lawyers filed the first known legal challenge on behalf of 23 men banning same-sex marriage in pennsylvania. the only northeast state that doesn't allow it or civil unions. straggler, pennsylvania. let's go. stragglers, nobody likes stragglers. come on. we'll talk about these. interesting details in this case, in fact. 29 minutes after the hour. right back on "the stephanie miller show." young turks! i think the number 1 thing than viewers like about the young turks is that were honest. they know that i'm not bsing them for some hidden agenda, actually supporting one party or the other. when the democrats are wrong, they know i'm going to be the first one to

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>> announcer: stephanie miller. >> she sure is, stewy. she sure is. >> stephanie: it is "the stephanie miller show." >> is that what you feed your les chow? >> stephanie: 1-800-steph-12. hal sparks joining us in studio next hour. hump days with hal coming right up. "the stephanie miller show."com the web site. you can e-mail us all at stephaniemiller.com. what happened in the cockpit of the asian that airlines flight. we speculated whether the flight chipmunks were flying the plane. >> oh, no, you first. >> after you. >> thank you very much. >> they weren't talking that much. >> stephanie: no discussion. they were saying in some cultures, it is considered rude. to point out someone's mistakes. >> if you're a superior.

>> what if they're making mistakes? >> stephanie: you would think that would be -- aviation is an area you could forgo. >> crashing the plane. >> forgo the niceties. >> stephanie: hey, moron. he writes steph i'm surprised cockpit culture has not come up. now it has. there are a couple of well studied crashes where members of the crew were aware of errors that contributed to a crash but due to the culture didn't feel they could speak up. many airlines are put a lot of effort into changing changing this culture. there are four flight deck crew during the landing. very strange they did not speak up. iio it is hard to believe but it has happened as a manager -- this is terrifying. as a manager of surgical service, i've spent a fair amount of time studying this because similar to the traditional concept of the surgeon as god and therefore no one can question his judgment, staff in the room were aware the surgeon's impending error but couldn't speak up. it is difficult to make and sustain changes to culture. just a thought since nothing

mechanical seems to be an issue. can you imagine? you're about to amputate the wrong -- okay, never mind. my bad. >> those are the lungs. he needs to keep those. they're kind of crucial. don't leave that sponge there. >> stephanie: like an operation game. [ buzzer ] >> stephanie: you hit the funny bone. >> ha, ha, ha. >> you're supposed to take out the water on the knee. come on. >> stephanie: oh dear. all right. funny, no. all right. i was mentioning -- breaking gay rights news in pennsylvania. this is going to -- we've been talking about this is going to start happening after the supreme court rulings. kennedy gave a road map to states after strike down doma and prop 8 because even the president said it is ridiculous you can be married in california and move somewhere like pennsylvania and you're suddenly -- you lose all of your rights. so yeah, the plaintiffs are -- they include four couples who

were legally married in other states but whose marriages go unrecognized in pennsylvania. lawyers believe it is ultimately bound for the u.s. supreme court probably along with similar cases cropping up in other states and could force the high court to rule on the core question of whether it is unconstitutional to deny same-sex couples the right to marry. >> computer says yes. >> the right to wary? >> stephanie: or marry. a lot of people are wary to marry. but then they do and it turns out they were right. okay. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: that wasn't very romantic, wasn't it? >> i like your malapropisms. they're so apropos. >> stephanie: in the lawsuit -- >> apropos -- >> stephanie: lawsuit, the plaintiffs said banning gay marriage satisfies no legitimate child welfare concerns since judges grant adoptions to same-sex couples that are viewed as in the best interest of the child. meanwhile, federal court challenges are emerging in other

states including nevada, hawaii and michigan. the aclu plans to launch same sex challenges in virginia. it is pursuing same sex marriage legislation in other states in oregon and nevada in the coming years. probably should have had howard dean at the ready when i mentioned all of the states. but it's fine. never too late. >> a majority are in favor of gay marriage in pennsylvania. hooray for you. [ ♪ "nbc nightly news" ♪ ] >> stephanie: here is bad news for america. sort of good news. we're not the fattest country anymore. second fattest. >> in the western hemisphere. >> stephanie: don't get me in trouble again. not since i speculated that hillary clinton's delicates weigh more than barack obama's -- >> in the u.s. virgin islands. >> stephanie: oh dear. was it true? >> computer says yes.

>> stephanie: mexico has overtaken -- that's the breaking news. mexico has overtaken the united states as the fattest country on this half of the globe. they're weighing down this half of the globe like a teeter to ther with a 32.8%. mexico inches past the 31.8% obesity rate in the united states. that makes mexico the most obese country in the hemisphere and one of the fattest on the planet. >> well, you know, if you've been to elpolo loco -- >> stephanie: it is not just about the grilled chicken. >> tortillas and beans and churros. >> stephanie: it is mostly snack food and sugary drinks and a more sedentary life style. it is a serious crisis. jacki and i talk about this for healthcare corner. they're saying the problem is caused by obesity causing a public health crisis in mexico

with children growing fatter and adults dying from heart disease. you make fun of my spinning all you want, mister. several pacific island countries, here we go again. >> guam. samoa. are they on there? >> stephanie: they have higher obesity rates. naru. they have a 71.1% obesity rate. >> stephanie: the cooke islands. the cook islands. it is in the title. 64.1%. and the marshall islands which stounds like marshmallow. 46.5% obesity rate. higher rates than mexico or the united states. >> stephanie: okay. just sayin'. bad news. okay. wow. speaking of tapes with bad news. what's going on in texas? they passed it. really unbelievably egregious anti-abortion bill, right?

texas lieutenant-governor david dewhurst yesterday. >> why would we regulate our clinics differently if we're taking our child to have their tonsils removed or someone wants cataract surgery versus having an abortion? we want safe facilities. >> stephanie: oh, please. this is not about making facilities safer. this is about preventing anybody's ability to get an abortion. >> oar to have their -- or to have their tonsils removed. >> just shut that. >> stephanie: they're going to pass a bill somewhere that will not let pilots abort a landing if they're not on the right runway. will it stop at nothing? texas state representative thompson, a democrat. >> for the poor, you just happen to be up a creek. without a paddle. and you can go to the back alleys where the coat hanger is used. >> stephanie: exactly. obviously this is going backwards. that's all it is doing.

you're not going to stop abortion. you'll have more women dying. it is unbelievable. >> they're probably good with that. >> stephanie: this is just trying to make things safer for women. oh, my god. really? >> did you hear the testimony of central texas resident sara slayman yesterday in front of the texas legislature regarding this. she was trying to call out every senator who voted -- who is voting for this heinous abortion bill and then she was hauled off the floor. it is a little long. here we go. >> i will thank you though first. it was destiny that you would discriminate against us and try to force your way inside the bodies of texas women. thank you for finally working against us women so publicly and not in the shadows like you're used to. thank you for every single bad press conference with your bad information. thank you for every hateful statement degrading women and girls to sex objects and bald eagles and leather wallets like your eloquent pro-life

supporters have done today. >> wow. >> thank you for being you texas legislature. you have radicalized hundreds of thousands of us and no matter what you do for the next 22 days, women and their allies are coming for you. let's start down the line. senator campbell, you're an ophthalmologist isn't i won't be making you the expert on reproductive health. we can give you all of the children with chlamydia and herpes in their eyes since we don't have sex ed in the state. senator edgar you're about as helpful -- excuse me. this is my government, ma'am. i will judge you. i will judge you. is this counting against my time? >> yes, it is. >> the senator talking against me? >> yes, it is. well i will just go ahead and talk over her. this is how big a fraud i knew you were for being so proud -- low bar that you hold yourself to that you simply allowed us to speak and i will speak against an ophthalmologist who says

everyone on the internet can see what you're doing right now. this is a farce. the texas legislators are a bunch of liars who hate women. >> being hauled off. >> is gary here? >> so they can tell us what to do with the inside of our bodies. >> go ahead. >> my name is gary oldham. >> i'm an expert on women parts. >> stephanie: i'm the real expert here. >> what is her name? sara slayman. central texas resident. >> stephanie: wow. awesome! >> illegal use of the first amendment. >> stephanie: christine in cleveland on this very subject. >> caller: good morning, y'all. >> stephanie: good morning. >> caller: mr. case stick, our governor, he has the opportunity line-item veto in the budget and there were 22 line-item vetoes that he had. there was several that were about strip abortion issues, the

transvaginal things and the heart beat bills and all of those insane things. well mr. case stick he did line-item veto that which people should be allowed to have spider monkeys in the state of ohio. >> stephanie: really? >> caller: it had nothing -- he did nothing with his line-item veto for all of the abominations of these women's health issues. it is frightening. it is frightening this is going on. i don't have -- >> stephanie: if you could train a spider monkey do do a transvaginal probe he wouldn't have done that. >> caller: now there is an excellent suggestion because he might be be up for that, steph. >> stephanie: there you go. see? >> ever have a governor who is an idiot? i hear screech monkeys do a better job. >> maybe they should have a screech monkey for a governor. he would probably do a better job. >> stephanie: orangutans have longer arms.

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minutes. tomorrow, live in studio, judy gold. love her. comedienne extraordinaire. rave reviews for jen kirkman comedienne extraordinaire yesterday. we love our comedy toys. all right. by the way, before we go to stephanie in madison -- >> new article in salon says proposed abortion restrictions can be a financial boon for rick perry's sister. his sister is an executive at a company that operates ambulatory surge cal centers. >> that sounds like a conflict of interest. >> it certainly does. >> stephanie: nice to know somebody will be profiting off of -- that's another oops. stephanie in madison. >> caller: hey guys, this is just a little difficult for me to tell you but in part of the bill the ultrasound bill, wanker and all of the crazy right-wingers we have, one of

the things when you're getting your ultrasound, if you want, choose to have an abortion, they want you to visualize the heart beat and they're talking you through that. if there's any detectable organs, they want to tell you about that. it's just so disgusting. i mean -- it is like putting a woman through torture. >> stephanie: it is shaming them. >> caller: it is terrible. >> stephanie: it is about shaming women. it is about taking us back to -- i don't know what year exactly. couple of other big -- we talked about egypt yesterday. jim, coup or not a coup? john mccain says it is a coup. the boner says it is not a coup. it feels queuish. however it feels like the military was assisting a people's movement to me. >> the white house says it might be a coup or it might not an

coup. >> it is a coup-on. >> stephanie: jay carney, the white house press secretary. >> hopeful in the future as they return to a democratically-elected civilian government that would then govern democratically. >> stephanie: i started reading the editorial in the "l.a. times" yesterday about this. i went he's such a doughy pantload, forget it. >> isn't his man lucy ann goldberg? >> stephanie: yes. during the clinton inpeachment would not come on with me. she would come on after me. she didn't want to talk directly to me. >> she was scared of you. >> stephanie: she was scareder a her son is a pant load. literally, they start with the premise obama bad. no matter what story it is. obama is to blame for this. here's why. the obama administration signaled monday, the u.s.

national security interests will trump its interest of democracy stressing the importance of continued aid to the egyptian military. john mccain says cut off aid again, john mccain's premise is obama bad doing it wrong. here's what i would have done if i hadn't lost in a huge landslide. >> not the policy. >> stephanie: they urge the military to use maximum restraint. but if the american government makes a legal determination the removal was done, the u.s. law would require ending all humanitarian aid to egypt. tim kaine who said he accompanied five republican senators on a trip to the middle east last week said it is important we not shoot from the hip on that. rand paul, well-known douchetastic senator from kentucky said in egypt governments come and go. american taxpayers will be will continue to be stuck with a $1.5 billion bill. let's not spend money on anything ever. the state department said the reason we provided this aid in the past doesn't mean we have

support prior to this. but there are security interests in the region. there are security interests for the united states. the president's carney. >> it is about a commitment to the egyptian people and about you know the best way we can achieve our objectives in egypt and the region. >> stephanie: and the formerly mentioned douchetastic senator rand paul. >> we're not supposed to be in favor of supporting military overthrow of democratically-elected government. i'm no fan of the muslim brotherhood. i don't think we should have given them money either. >> okay. >> every once in awhile, he says something -- >> stephanie: like his dad. you're like oh no. >> harry truman told the c.i.a. when they were trying to get him to overthrow the regime in iran. go to hell. we're supposed to be supporting democracies, not tearing them down. they waited until eisenhower came in. c.i.a., standard oil mi-6 and

british petroleum, they were all involved. >> stephanie: meanwhile, we had the memorial for the arizona firefighters yesterday. which is very sad. did you see the picture of the horses. joe biden, vice president was there. >> all men are created equal but then a few became firefighters. thank god for you all. >> he was so good yesterday. >> stephanie: he just is. joe biden again yesterday. >> the day will come when the memory of your husband your son, your dad your brother will bring a smile to your lips before it brings a tear to your eye. my prayer for all of you is that day will come sooner than later

but i promise you as unbelievable as it is, it will come. >> wow. can't get more -- >> can you imagine dick cheney giving a speech like that? >> stephanie: oozes empathy doesn't he? >> hey stuff happens get used to it. that would have been his speech. >> stephanie: probably wasn't invited to do much of that. marco rubio spurned by original tea party supporters over immigration. oh dear. [ ♪ "nbc nightly news" ♪ ] >> hey. we just realized. >> stephanie: he's not being the right kind of brown person. >> maybe i ain't an american. >> stephanie: when he turned -- >> i just noticed that. >> stephanie: 42 on may 28th, his facebook page was swamped with more than 4,000 messages for people with him. the bill moving through the senate. they called him a turncoat, a rhino or traitor or worse. some birthday greetings suggest he celebrate in cuba, mexico or

hell. >> he's cuban so he wouldn't go to mexico. >> stephanie: the real backlash -- came a month later after he voted for the senate immigration reform bill. senators headed home for the july 4th recess. in rubio's case, a week of conservative blowback including tea party protests in front of his miami office. oh dear. oh dear. >> feeding frenzy. >> stephanie: oh, dear. hump days with sexy liberal hal sparks next as we continue on "the stephanie miller show."

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>> stephanie: it is hour number three. hal sparks on his way in. nurse jacki. >> yes? [ ♪ "nbc nightly news" ♪ ] >> stephanie: i need a headline here. congressional republicans press president obama today to delay a requirement under his healthcare law that americans obtain insurance after the administration gave the employers a one year reprieve. this is what you said. here we go. >> we need to coordinate better. that's part of my newscast. >> oh, dear. you just ruined her entire newscast. >> stephanie: now we can't have nice news things, can we? this is part of the slippery slope. this is the fear about delaying the employer mandate. >> yeah. i'll talk a little bit about it. i think the 40th vote will be the charm. if we vote to repeal it. it is the one that will work. >> stephanie: that's what boner said. get rid of the whole thing now. >> so glad he's not wasting our time. >> stephanie: never wasting our time, jacki schechner in the current news center. >> good morning, everybody. this is so cool. an indiana college professor says he has found new film

footage of president franklin delano roosevelt being pushed in a wheelchair. this is the eight second clip. fdr is in the hat on the left of your screen. you can see him exiting the doorway of a ship and being pushed down a ramp. this is during a visit to the u.s.s. baltimore in july of 1944. we slowed it down. it is a little hard to see him. he's in the chair behind the line of sailors and soldiers. he contracted polio in 1921 when he was 39 but didn't use a wheelchair for public appearances. the national archives can't say if this is the earliest or only footage of fdr in his wheelchair but the footage is definitely rare. the journalism professor who un covered the footage said he found it while conducting unrelated research at the national archives in college park maryland. meanwhile, as we mentioned earlier, house republicans thinking about taking yet another vote on healthcare reform. this time, they are outraged,

just outraged at the administration is delaying the employer mandate. >> the idea that we're going to give big businesses a break under obamacare but we're going to punish small businesses and families? we'll have another vote. count on it. >> of course we can count on it. nobody is being punished. the law is designed to make sure everybody pays the fair share. plus rolling back the individual mandate would anger g.o.p. corporate sponsors, insurance companies like the mandate because they say it is the only way that they can afford to cover people with pre-existing conditions. we're back after the break. >> did anyone tell the pilgrims they should self-deport? >> no, they said "make us a turkey and make it fast". >> (laughter). >> she gets the comedians laughing. >> that's the best! >> that's hilarious. >> ... and the thinkers thinking. >> okay, so there is wiggle room in the ten commandments is what you're telling me. >> she's joy behar. >> ya, i consider you jew-talian. >> okay, whatever you want.

>> who plays kafka? >> who saw kafka? >> who ever saw kafka? >> (laughter). >> asking the tough questions. >> chris brown, i mean you wouldn't let one of your daughters go out with him. >> absolutely not. >> you would rather deal with ahmadinejad then me? >> absolutely! >> (singing) >> i take lipitor, thats it. >> are you improving your lips? >> (laughter). >> when she's talking, you never know where the conversation is going to go. >> it looks like anthony wiener is throwing his hat in the ring. >> his what in the ring? >> his hat. >> always outspoken, joy behar. >> and the best part is that current will let me say anything. what the hell were they thinking? >> only on current tv.

if you believe in state's rights but still support the drug war you must be high. >> i think the number one thing that viewers like about "the young turks" is that we're honest. i think the audience gets that i actually mean it. >> you're putting out there something that you're proud of. journalists want the the story and they want the right story and the want the true story. >> you can say anything here. >> i spent a couple of hours with a hooker. >> your mistake was writing a

check. >> she never cashed it! >> the war room. >> compared to other countries with tighter gun safety laws our death toll is just staggering. >> the young turks. >> the top bankers who funneled all the money to the drug lords, no sentence. there's just no justice in that. >> viewpoint. >> carl rove said today that mitt romney is a lock to win next pope. he's garunteeing it. >> joy behar: say anything. >> is the bottom line then that no white person should ever, ever, ever use the "n" word? >> yes! >> only on current tv. ♪ it's a beautiful day ♪ ♪ don't let it get away ♪

>> stephanie: so cheesy and delightful. six minutes after the hour. you know what time it is. >> stephy. >> stephanie: what's that heavy breathing i hear. could it be? ♪ the humpty dance do the hump ♪ >> hump days with hal sparks. >> hi, how are you? >> stephanie: i knew you would not be in here two seconds before you and jim would start doing plane talk. gadget and guy plane talk. >> my girlfriend summer and i we flew fighter jets in vegas. this thing where you can -- >> stephanie: actual ones? >> you do like a dogfight in the air. and then they have a pilot with you obviously, behind you. there's two people -- >> stephanie: you're actually in the air. >> they're props. but the first -- like you're actually controlling the plane. you're operating the throttle,

responsible for the flying of the plane. >> stephanie: i flew the plane on to the aircraft carrier. no, you didn't. remember? >> no. he flew a lot of planes. he did take off and land a lot. not all were north of the border. you learn where they give you control of the plane the basics of aerodynamics really quickly and one of them is what it is like to stall, what a shake feels like. it starts happening. it is amazing. and it was a blast. we did a full like stall. we did a hammerhead stall. it was awesome. >> stephanie: what's a hammerhead stall? >> you go up and just before it stalls, you gun it and you kick -- >> the tail out. >> stephanie: plane talk.

i'm only familiar with -- >> here's the amazing thing about this particular plane crash is that so far, only reported two fatalities, one of which may have been killed by an emergency vehicle. with a plane that size is stunning meanwhile this oil train, holy cow. 17 confirmed dead. 32 missing. presumed dead in this small town. the coroner has given up hope of finding most of the people who were missing because he says they were vaporized by the explosion. and by the way, this is what happens when you transport fossil fuels above ground on a fairly regular basis keystone pipeline fans. i mean it's sort of stunning that the death toll from this plane crash full on. 777, giant plane.

tail fin comes off. catches fire. yet because of the massive amounts of regulations of the united states on our fleet and over the years how we become the gold standard for that. that's why -- >> toxic materials and pois people. >> hal: absolutely. believe me, did you ever see the movie the para-- >> i've heard of it. >> a warren beatty movie a redux of the oswald patsy thing. they get this reporter who is warren beatty to get suckered into being the lone gunman. at one point he's following this guy. he's following somebody and he goes out. he gets on a pan am flight. he goes out off the runway, walks out on the runway, up a flight of stairs, gets into a plane and they say how far are you going? he says el paso. he pays the guy like $77 like he's on a train. everybody is smoking. the whole plane is like a powder keg. they barely shut the door on the

thing. clunk. and that's -- you know, whatever 24 years ago. now, you've got this plane 777 can literally crash land. they were going 103 miles per hour. you have to go 137 just to maintain. >> stephanie: obviously there's been a lot of talk this morning about the cockpit. what was going on. we speculated the polite chip munks were landing the plane. >> you're right. >> after you. >> oh, no, you first. >> thank you. >> stephanie: no discussion on the cockpit recorder, no emergency was called. >> hal: i think it was flight 500, one of the biggest crashes over the last decade. they finally got the black box back on that. there was a lot of conspiracy theory about what had actually happened. it was one of the big internet ones. they realized it was actually social pressure that caused the crash of the plane because what had happened was the young pilot was stalling the plane. they were 30,000 feet in the

air. he was pulling up on the plane because they had lost a couple of instruments and he didn't know whether or not the plane was going down. >> it indicates the airspeed. guessing about it. >> hal: his natural reflex was get some height so that we can get away from the ground. figure out what it is. so he was pulling up on the stick the entire time. he was effectively causing a stall but the problem was they were going so fast that they didn't feel the stall as much. so the pilot comes down. he had been sleeping upstairs because it was a transcontinental flight. he comes down and they start discussing what's wrong with the instruments. they have this long conversation about what's going on. right before impact, the main pilot, the guy who should be in control says pull up, pull up. and the young pilot says i've been pulling up the whole time. and the older pilot says don't do that. don't do that. bang! and the reason was he should

have, when he knew there was a problem, got the guy up out of the seat. but out of social deference to the guy he didn't want to embarrass him in front of the other pilots. >> stephanie: that's what they're wondering here. are they not wanting to be rude. it seems like you might be coming in a little low and never mind. >> this happened for a long time. >> airbus. >> airbus was like -- this was like ten minutes of this stuff or five minutes of this. it was a long time. here this landing was, you know much quicker when they realized there was a problem. >> part of the problem with the airbus is the computer, when it got confusing information, it shut down. it is up to you now. >> hal: which you should be able to do though. >> stephanie: you're a gadget guy. we may be overgadgetted. skills on how to do stuff. >> hal: they all learn it. again, there are four pilots in there. they can fly the plane. everybody there is capable of flying the plane without instruments for the most part. >> stephanie: so what do you

think happened? >> i think it was that social deference. i think there might have been some instrumentation problems but every instrumentation problem they had could have been solved by what they were seeing visually. it was not like they were flying in a storm. not like they had fog. not like they couldn't see. it was -- you know, they just -- nobody socially in that moment went -- they're look out the window and not seeing something that matches either what they had indicated or what wasn't being indicated. >> stephanie: this does not look like what the manual says. >> hal: my thing though is as bad as it was and it is bad that they had this, it is a stunning thing that 303 people were on this plane. the stewardesses got ejected out of the plane. >> stephanie: i know. on to the runway. kathy in virginia, you're on with hal. hi kath. >> caller: hi, how are you? >> stephanie: good. go ahead. >> caller: i'm wondering, i'm changing the topic a little bit. but i want to know when john boehner is going to get blamed

for not doing his job. >> hal: i'll tell you when, never. because that's not his job. nancy pellosis's job was to run the house effectively and get bills through. john boehner's job is to obstruct. the entire -- >> stephanie: he's doing a good job on that. >> caller: when do people get a clue? when do people get a clue and start fighting, you know. >> stephanie: filibuster stuff is coming up again. you know, hal i get it. people go oh, if we lose the majority, they'll use it against us. how many times can you say it? we have never been up against this degree of on be structionism in our history. >> hal: when we say do-nothing congress, we're upset about that because most of us expect a certain level of service from our government. that's why you pay taxes is so these things happen in appropriate time architecture.

the problem is the republican house, their entire job based on what they think their own personal views of what governing is and a lot of their constituencies especially where they're in these -- their gerrymandered red districts where they're protected is to stop federal remedies to state level nuttiness. the abortion bills creation in schools, all of these kind of things. on the state level they do all of this stuff. all the house is there to do on the republican side is block. because the federal government is the remedy. that's what -- with gay rights. look at the civil rights -- they're still fighting the civil rights battle. it was the federal government that came to a state and said look you can't not let black people into this college. get out of the way governor. >> nicholas. >> they've been re-litigating that ever since. what the house is there to do is to protect the states who want to reinstitute a lot of this

stuff. >> stephanie: jacki and i were just talking about affordable care. it long ago defied any kind of reason or logic. we had an election. healthcare passed. we had an election which was another referren dumb on it. the supreme court has ruled on it. they won't stop. they're running ads against it. they're still talking about repealing it. that's the one thing they're going to try to do is ruin the president's legacy. >> hal: i agree. i disagree with -- it defies logic because they have their own special kind of logic. they're belief is the rand pawling of the entire republican party which is what's going on right now is a form of sabotage. i mean it really is just -- it is flat out sabotage. >> stephanie: are they all going to have to get that? >> hal: set squirrels loose. >> stephanie: patrick in texas

>> stephanie: you're on with hal. >> caller: good morning. well, this is really -- it is all political. but i'm just wondering if you give any consideration for what the bible says in your opinion. >> about what? what about the bible says about everything. >> caller: seems like the liberals, the liberals are against everything that god is for. >> you have to distinguish between the old and new testament because they're very different documents. >> stephanie: like are you for instance killing your children if they swear at you? oh, all right. [dial tone] >> your kid has an alcohol or drug problem do you stone them to death? >> if your wife wears polycotton blends? >> shrimp sandwich. >> hal: flat answer to his question no. i'll tell you why. >> stephanie: chris is an atheist. >> no.

i have respect for what the bible says. it has some good rules for living in there. >> hal: that's true of every religious system but every religious system has a bunch of nutty, crazy stuff that involves killing people who are vaguely different from you already on the land you want because it's got the trees that have fruit on them right now. >> stephanie: nicely said. >> hal: all are tribal war documents patched up with during the good times these are -- for being nice. sorry but it's true. most people who like that guy doesn't do anything the bible says. i guarantee you he has a gun. >> stephanie: can you do the critter on rand paul's head again? 18 minutes after the hour. right back on "the stephanie miller show."

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♪ ♪ sure plays a mean pinball ♪ >> stephanie: was i right chris. today's show turning into sleepless into seattle. guys talking about planes stuff. >> we're sitting over here talking about painting our nails. >> hal: by the way i'm flying to detroit tomorrow. >> stephanie: chick stuff. human stories from the plane tragedy in san francisco. all right. 1-800-steph-12 the phone until. melvin in north carolina, you're on with hal. hi melvin. or maybe not.

joe in illinois, you're on "the stephanie miller show". >> hal: someone stole our melvin. >> caller: how you doing? >> stephanie: melvin is toast. go ahead joe. >> caller: hey, i want to respond to the caller that said why don't liberals follow anything in the bible. i'm a christian and a democrat. i know that's crazy talk. i think the democrats follow more the christian guidelines than republicans are right now. i'm sick and tired of one-issue voters taking one thing and saying -- just wrapping it all up in the big a word, abortion. >> hal: jesus would have had a gun so he could shoot an abortion doctor. turning the other cheek means using the other one to aim in case you need to put the shotgun up against the other side of your face. >> stephanie: kickback. >> i was saying during the break, it's true. people can try to live by a religious doctrine and i

appreciate their belief that ethically, it may improve their lives but there's not a single christian in this country who is an amish who lives biblically. you just don't do it. even they, if they tried, they would go to jail. you literally can't get to the point -- you can't sell your kids. >> stephanie: we stumped that guy on the first round already. [ ♪ "nbc nightly news" ♪ ] a russian lawmaker said nsa leaker edward snowden has accepted have venezuela's offer of asylum. the tweet was deleted soon after it was posted. i don't know what the dealio is. >> hal: thanks a lot. now everybody knows. don't you realize the nsa tracks tweets? >> stephanie: you're not supposed to tweet about it. >> hal: edward probably elbowed him. dude, don't tweet that! they can read tweets! they're public. >> stephanie: he said his information came from a russian newscast. we don't have evidence of that. >> hal: any russian newscasts?

>> stephanie: are there? i did once debate michael medved. i swear to god. >> hal: he traded in his russian accent for a mustache. you can do one or the other but you can't do both. you can't understand what you're saying unless you can see your lip. whole thing is far too confusing. >> stephanie: a state department spokeswoman said as in all of the communications, we have advised the governor of venezuela of the felony charges against him and urge he should not be allowed to proceed to further international travel other than what is necessary to return him to the united states. we simply feel any country granting asylum to mr. snowden would create great difficulties in our bilateral relationship, yada yada. >> your thoughts on snowden and the nsa and all of that. >> hal: that's a huge door to open. i think there is a difference

between whistle-blowers and leakers. the unfortunate part of the snowden case is he's effectively both. that's where he's created a murky world for himself. it is one thing like the pentagon papers -- >> stephanie: i was going to say ellsberg wrote a case about why snowden made a right decision. >> he was working with the documentary filmmaker and with -- >> and he stayed here and went to trial. >> hal: they now work together. the three of them who kind of -- and it looks like he took that job there after he had spoken to greenwald and those guys beforehand. >> stephanie: it was a different america a long time ago. that is true. he says he writes i was under indictment. free to speak to the media at rallies, public sures. i was part of a movement toward an on-going war. it was my preeminent concern. i couldn't have done that abroad and leaving the country never entered my mind. just another reason why i think it is a bad analogy. what ellsberg did. >> hal: i think they're

incomparable. the problem becomes if you don't address it for what it actually is, then you can't say every leaker is a whistle-blower or vice versa. the problem is when you say that everybody who leaks information is a whistle-blower, then the government basically goes everybody who is a whistle blower is a leaker. that's -- effectively, you create this legalistic limbo where everybody who comes out and says -- like manning actually came out and said this is a crime that here's video of this actual thing. this was the mainstay of what manning released. >> stephanie: i think what manning did is different than what snowden did. >> hal: i agree. within the context manning released a ton of documents to wikileaks. a nongovernmental or non-american -- nonjournalistic agency willy-nilly. here's a bunch of info he, himself, hadn't even vetted. the problem we and snowden in those respects, you've got to laser -- if you're going to be a

whistle-blower and you want people to directly focus on something -- you can't just dump stuff and expect not to be criminally prosecuted. >> stephanie: how do we be a nation of laws and say that's okay? >> hal: it is never going to happen. it is cartoonish. >> stephanie: more on this as we continue hump days with hal on "the stephanie miller show." young turks! i think the number 1 thing than viewers like about the young turks is that were honest. they know that i'm not bsing them for some hidden agenda, actually supporting one party or the other. when the democrats are wrong, they know i'm going to be the first one to call them out. cenk on air>> what's unacceptable is how washington continues to screw the middle class over. cenk off air i don't want the middle class taking the brunt of the spending cuts and all the different programs that wind up hurting the middle class. cenk on air you got to go to the local level, the state level and

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you love them and you're making me -- >> stephanie: what sort of thing is boiling up in you exactly? >> caller: number one, let's talk about zimmerman. let's talk about the abortion bill. let's talk about palin. let's talk about these nuts out here getting prostitutes then coming back, then they're back and all of this stuff. these folks are just liars and cowards and thieves. they make you feel like you ain't nothing and those folks sitting up there you know, i said this the other day. i would rather be homeless, hungry, strung out on dope, crazed out of my damn mind and do the things that i do than be an upstanding, outstanding citizen and do the things that they do. because those folks are out there [ bleep ] how did that f bomb go for everybody? all right. awesome.

you know we did miss that guys and gals. we missed -- sarah palin may run. that's boiling something up inside of me. >> she's going to run for senate. >> stephanie: she might run for senate in alaska. did you hear the sound byte? that same kind of grammatical -- i'm thinking about it because someone has advised me to be thinking about it also, too, in addition. >> oh, my god! >> stephanie: we were in the midst of talking about snowden and the nsa. you were making very good points. i was talking about how ellsberg, you know, i just think it is such a different thing. ellsberg wrote a piece -- obviously he supports snowden. he made the right call when he fled the u.s. he's just talking about the country he stayed in was a different america which is true. hugely different think that he did. there's no chance that experience could be reproduced where he was allowed to stay here and speak out. let alone a trial terminated by the revelation of white house

actions which were criminal in richard nixon's era and figured in his. you were saying first of all, we can have the debate but what did he blow the whistle on that we didn't know already? >> hal: the vast majority of the stuff people were very aware of it. the problem is, again, the debate about the -- that needs to be happening is about the re-upping of the patriot act and the fact that we're living under this kind of -- you know, this constant fear of terrorism you know as a governmental tool. terrorism, the whole purpose of the tactic is to -- you know, outside the democratic process effect the electorate in such a way and such a shocking way that they behave differently than they would normally. they'll change their society to you know, to different thought form without going through the process of actually passing laws

to do that. essentially, that's how it worked. re-upping the patriot act means that 9-11 was a successful tactic. that ultimately, it scared us into behaving in a way we're not willing to leave behind at this point. >> stephanie: the operative word "we" and that's what i was saying. largely, we voted for the pooh emthat voted for this. again, should we re-examine it. yes. he says snowden believes he's done nothing wrong. i agree wholeheartedly. i disagree wholeheartedly. >> hal: it would be one thing for example like the prison program -- the prism program, no one is is your surprised a database exists of digital communications. even in such -- the meta data laws, everything that's been -- has been -- has gone through the judicial process. there are remedies in congress

if people would bother to be involved in that part of it. >> stephanie: one lesson of the pentagon papers and snowden's leak, seek secrecy corrupts just as power corrupts. spying is supposed to be a secret. i think it is a bad analogy. he said the top secret documents which became known as the pentagon papers after i disclosed them taught mekong and the american people have been lied to and dragged into a hopelessly stalemated war. to compare the vietnam war to the nsa program i just think -- >> hal: even if you were saying -- the prism program as an isolated element of the nsa gathering information on people and then having access to it later by getting a fisa warrant, if you have a problem with that, i completely understand it. it is a singular aspect where he could feel right about that. >> stephanie: by the way is the balance wrong between secrecy -- between privacy and security maybe. we should look at that.

that's what i think we're talking about. >> hal: when they go into saying we spied on like our eu partners and that kind of stuff. they're doing the exact same thing to us. the nsa and the c.i.a. are arguably always looking into the actions of other foreign governments, especially ones that are supposedly allies that we have -- look at the relationship we have with pakistan. technically speaking, they're one of the allies included in this. >> right. >> hal: we were spying on our ally pakistan. pakistan had bin laden living in a compound six blocks from their version of westpoint for six years! they couldn't find him because he was wearing a cowboy hat. that's why -- they went to his house. they literally went to the compound and marked it down on their senses that no one was living there. there was never more than 25 people in that building. people were coming and going from it all the time. bin laden's wife pretended to be a deaf-mute when she went to the hospital so that she could give

birth to their kids without ever having to ask -- answer any questions about it. this went on for years. of course the nsa and the c.i.a. are going excuse me, dod you guys might want to be aware that there's some weird comings and goings. that's how we found him. >> stephanie: this debate is all over the place. when you have michael moore and glenn beck agreeing that snowden is a hero. someone was telling me on twitter, you and randi rhodes and i were all called neocons which is awesome. i was hike on vacation with a guy who was a liberal rachel maddow fan who thinks snowden is a traitor but we should also take him out with a drone. now you've lost me. [ buzzer ] >> hal: the guy needs to -- here's the thing. as much as ellsberg made speeches about what he did and was open about it, i believe snowden should come and face justice for -- if he stands

by -- the whistle-blower law would protect him. >> stephanie: stop giving interviews about how he's trying not to make this about himself. >> hal: that's like trying to make greenwald do that. after the racism needle in the ron paul rand paul camp has been peaked, everybody jumps over to the greenwald area. >> stephanie: debbie in michigan. you're on "the stephanie miller show" with hal. hi deb. we somehow lost her. scott in st. louis? >> caller: hi, stephanie. i would like to remind the caller in texas that was talking about religion that this country was founded as a secular republic. the first amendment says we shall make no law with respect to religion. we should be scrupulously impartial as far as religion is concerned therefore i think in god we trust should be taken off

our coinage. >> stephanie: scott, this is what i said earlier when i was talking about enda. orrin hatch said he may vote for it as long as there is a religious agenda. i don't get why it is okay to let people discriminate against people because of their rels beliefs. >> hal: scott, do you know -- sorry. first commandment thou shall have no other gods behind me. first amendment guarantees freedom of religion. first amendment is to direct affront to the first commandment. it has always been that way. you cannot have both. if anybody wants to put the ten commandments in front of any kind of a courthouse or something like that, needs to understand only two of the laws that are in it are actually enforced and they are enforced in greddations. ask anybody who's been watching the zimmerman trial if thou shalgt not kill is the law right now. it's not.

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you're going to play deputy dog all the time. the fooct he's calling trayvon the suspect on the phone. it is like you're not a cop! and he's not suspected of anything! >> hal: he's suspect because of what he looks like. the reason he wanted to know the stand your ground details is because it is a cya situation. he could cover his butt23 he decided to shoot one of these guys. in this case the cartoonish story he makes up about jumping out of the bushes, punching him in the nose, yelling -- he goes he's fiddling around for my gun. i think he fell for the gun. i think he was trying to get it. says you're going to die tonight. and that was why he was justified in pulling the gun and shooting him. the cartoonish fantasy that he has drafted for the cops to cover his butt in the case that you know, he needs to use this defense is the problem with this law. is the essence of the problem

with this law is that now almost anybody can shoot almost anybody else and use that as justification as long as the other person is dead. >> stephanie: that's what i mean. exactly. it almost encourages you to kill them so there's only your side of the story. you can go well, stand your ground. to me, there could not be a clearer case of -- when this is not justified. when you're on tape being told to stop -- >> hal: stop following someone. >> stephanie: pretty clear case of racial profiling of stalking and then who cares what happened after that? an unarmed kid is dead and you're alive. >> hal: at what point does trayvon martin not have the right to stand his own ground. there is someone clearly following him. he says it on the phone. at what point do you have -- you're being followed. you have limited options as as to where you can go.

most people know by the way especially a lot of women or young kids that, if someone is following you, you go to a police station but you don't go directly home because you don't want them to know where you live. there are aspects that go into this part of it. but at the very least at what point, someone confronts with you a gun. pulled out everything. you have nowhere to run. you're out in the wide open. you have nothing to -- you can possibly do but fight back and zimmerman is the one who says you're going to die tonight. at what point -- is that not as believable a premise of what he's saying because none of what he's saying is lining up. >> stephanie: exactly. >> hal: story has shifted enough. has been inflated to make it -- >> stephanie: none of it makes any sense. with him screaming and then the screaming stops immediately after the gunshot. >> hal: the elements of this case become immaterial and certain point and point to the very flawed nature of this kind of gun crazy law. that alec pushed through and a lot of the states and that the whole purpose of was to just

sell more guns. and let more guns be used. you know, at some point you know, charles manson's plan helter-skelter was to start a race riot and because he believed black people would win the race riot, they were too stupid to run things so he was going to be the white guy that took over. this was the helter-skelter plan. everybody thinks there is this mystery he was on such drugs and heard the beatles white album. it was called the white album. it was this cartoonish realization as any messy nut job could have. the purpose was that there were people at the time -- he wasn't singular in that. there were people who thought that a lot. i think there are people -- i really do believe there are elements of people who have gotten their way into office or operating in these gun rights groups or in other places that believe at some point there will be an uprising it be brown people, poor people, be it anybody, they're going to chuck guns into the mix and hope it

wild wests its way out like the purge and have fewer of us in traffic. herd mentality of rand paul. >> stephanie: hal sparks, actor extraordinaire, played a gay man. talk to you about dustin hoffman and his love letter to women. did you watch this? the guy that played a woman in tootsie. he talked about the origins of tootsie and how seeing himself in a dress forced him to come to terms with a lifetime spent judging women based on looks. either he's just a really good actor or it was very touching. >> isn't he married? >> yes. >> hal: the truth was i was a better man with you as a woman than i ever was as a woman with a man. that's what he says in tootsie. >> stephanie: it was after he demanded the makeup artist make him a more attractive woman and the makeup artist said it wasn't going to happen.

i had to make in picture. my wife said why? i'm an interesting woman when i look at myself on screen. if i met myself at a party, because she doesn't fulfill the demands to think women have to have in order to ask them out. there are too many interesting women i have not had the experience to know because i've been brainwashed adding through tears, the reason that's -- that's the reason tootsie was never a comedy for him. i found that touching. or i'm just a gullible chick. >> you're a gullible chick. >> stephanie: he is an actor. but i thought he made some really interesting points. >> you look better than tootsie. >> thank you. >> michael dorsey became dorothy michaels. >> stephanie: probably still wouldn't talk to me at a party because i'm a dork. >> hal: pull the camera back, i want to make her look more attractive. how do you feel about cleveland? that's a great moment where he says that at the end.

he goes -- when he says that i was a better man with you as a woman than i ever was as a woman with a man. the hard part's over. we were already good friends. >> stephanie: oh, please. so sweet. hal sparks is in detroit. >> at the comedy zone this weekend. thursday through saturday nights. come see me. nothing else to do in detroit except run for your life. >> stephanie: oh, hal! see you tomorrow on "the stephanie miller show."

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