>> bye-bye! >> john: good evening, reaction to the george zimmerman verdict has resulted in a few arrests in los angeles, or as sean hannity puts it angry nergos riot all across america. in concealing her identity, juror b37 totally exposed herself. and even though it is impossible to sue the nsa they are open to hearing criticisms in fact they have wiretapped some of the most articulate arguments against them so far.

and will farrell has a birthday today, and corey feltman. this is "viewpoint." [♪ theme music ♪] >> john: good evening, i'm john fugelsang, and this is "viewpoint." we have got two major stories to start tonight's program they both speak to the reality that poor americans feel like the country is passing them buy. a leading senator is calling on the house to come to conference and work out its differences with the senate on the farm bill. the house eliminated funding for food stamps in its version, the senate did not. let's begin with trayvon martin. protesters rallied in charleston, and other towns,

where a six-woman jury found george zimmerman not guilty of shooting trayvon martin dead in an altercation. 13 people were arrested in los angeles last night after a breakaway group left the march, jumped on cars broke into a wal-mart and assaulted several people including a tv news camera crew. last night one of the martin trial jurors told anderson cooper that george zimmerman was guilty but only of using bad judgment. >> i think both were responsible for the situation they had gotten themselves into. i think both of them could have walked away. it just didn't happen. >> john: and back in washington where the senate seems to have resolved its filibuster crisis at least for this week there's now a new call for both chambers to negotiate a farm bill president obama can sign even though the president has said he will not sign any bill that fails to restore funding for the

food stamps which the house eliminated in a party line vote last thursday. senate agriculture chairman debbie stabenow says she is waiting for the house to send over its version of the bill, telling the "new york times," and i quote . . . yes, and people who need food stamps need congress to move forward in a manner that restores funding so their children can eat. for more i'm pleased to welcome to the show, congress woman, karen bass, representing california's 37th district. thank you joining us. >> thanks for having me on. >> john: you have been posting new stories about. and it looks like the protests will continue on. what do you hope will come out of these protests and what could one expect to come from these

protests? >> first of all you mentioned the 13 people that were arrested the protests last night in los angeles took place in my congressional district, and 13 young people were arrested jmany were minors, and that breaks my heart, because we don't need any more young african-americans and latinos incarcerated. so i certainly hope that the pro tests be peaceful. 1992, the young people that were arrested yesterday were not even born, and don't realize the violence that took place and how parts of our community still remain with vacant lots because building hasn't taken place. but i think when you have a crisis like this, when you have an outpouring of outrage and grief, frankly at the injustice of the verdict that you can take this energy and channel it in a very positive way. for example, there needs to be a

national movement to repeal the stand your ground laws. i understand that that didn't specific come up in the case but you know it really set a context for this case. and when those verdicts happened, it hurt my heart, because i felt like now it can be open season on black youth. to me i'm not a lawyer i have to admit that but i don't understand why george zimmerman got out of his car to begin with. i don't see how you could call the situation equal, and i don't think that trayvon martin was a young man. trayvon martin was a teenager. he was barely 17. he wasn't even old enough to vote. so the idea that somebody can be afraid and then get out of their car and confront the person that they are afraid if he had stayed in his car and driven away trayvon martin would be alive today. >> john: exactly right, and if trayvon martin had been caucasian, mr. zimmerman would

never have called 911 or gotten out of his car in the first place. >> i was deeply insulted by the defense attorney that said if the races were reversed there never would have been an arrest. any time there is a, quote unquote, crime of an african american against a white person it is very clear how quickly the justice system acts. >> john: indeed, and again it's worth pointing out fo for many the real victim came that this man was arrested and brought to trial in the first place. but i want to move on to what is happening now. reverend sharpton is one of many calling for federal civil rights charges to be filed against george zimmerman. the justice department says it is investigating, but most say charges are unlikely. do you think there is a legal issue to be pursued or more of a moral issue that the whole country needs to pursue? >> i absolutely think it's both. and the moral issue is even more

important. i watched the feedback the emails that some reporters have received who are african american in response to some of the things that they posted and it's just absolutely frightening the hate that this has opened up. it's a very scary situation, so i think the moral issue is important. i do hope the justice department files charges, and i hope the family makes a civil case out of it. i think that whatever can be done within the legal system we need to push it to the maximum. jf >> john: you are exactly right. and you should see some of the comments this show has gotten. i never imagine sod many right-wingers defending a guy who was one arrested for assaulting a cop. in a speech today eric holder criticized the stand your ground laws which he said allow and perhaps encourage violent situation to escalate n public. and as you know more than 30

states have now passed these laws. stand your ground wasn't innish untilly part of zimmerman's defense. do you think all of those laws should be rescinded throughout the country? >> oh, i absolutely do. could you imagine if trayvon martin had stood his ground and shot george zimmerman? i mean you know, the idea that we would have laws like that -- i do have to say in california we would never have stand your ground laws but those states that do have them in a time when we are looking at gun violence and gun safety, all of that needs to be rolled into one, and i think stand your ground laws need to be repealed across the board, across the country. >> john: it's a be it mystifying that the prosecution never tried to argue that trayvon martin was standing his ground against the man stalking him. >> exactly. >> john: let's turn to food stamps. are you encouraged that senator stab now wants to go to conference, and do you think the

senate would approve a bill that didn't restore funding to snap? >> i don't believe it would. but my republican colleagues passed this legislation and then they don't want to go to conference, because technically we should be in conference around the budget. so i would be curious to see if they go to budget over the farm bill. they said they were going to pass food stamps separately but if they press release going to do what they did a couple of weeks ago, and pass food stamps where people who are hungry have to have drug testing, and work requirements attached to it, as though they are not working already, tens of thousands of people on food stamps are poor working americans. >> john: uh-huh. >> i think a lot of my republican colleagues cannot accept that hunger exists in america with people who are hungry and cannot work enough in order to supply food for their

families for a month. >> john: indeed and those struggling americas seem to be concentrated in red states. and congressmen know the president will never sign a bill. was this just theater? >> i think it was two things. and i think it is very consistent and classic. in passing the farm bill they did pass subsidies, which are essentially handouts of government money to people who in some cases are already millionaires in the form of farm subsidy subsidies. i think it's consistent with the 47%, that's their focus. it's not on 100% of the united states. because if you were concerned about 100% you would be deeply a shamed that the richest country in the world cannot feed

its population. >> john: and they are given away subsidy for farmers, and restoring things for livestock farmers, which means giving out free stuff. >> exactly. >> john: how is the sequester impacted your district in california? >> well, actually i'll give you a couple of very specific examples. when the southeaster was passed i went to a clinic that was going to have to reduce the patients that they serviced. 3,000 families were going to be knocked off of the roles of this one community clinic because of funding cuts. i also went to an air force base where the civilian work force was going to experience dur -- furloughs. and then another impact that is deeply troubling, did you know that native american res

reservations were not protected? >> john: i did. >> that is very sad. >> john: indeed arguably the lowest economic wrung in society, and yet we don't hear any complaints from our gop friends about that suffering. >> exactly. the one native american member of congress is a republican and he is very concerned about this tom cole. and he wants to see that changed. but we need to cancel the sequester completely. >> john: our republican friends in the congress are doing something very important for america's future. they are going to vote this week to delay part of obamacare from taking effect. do you see, congress woman the majority taking any action to modify or eliminate the

sequester? >> no, i am very sad to say, i don't. so if we vote again on health care reform, i think it will be the 38th or 39th time. we need to stop this. we need to get some work done here. and the number one issue continues to be jobs. these are the things that we need to be dealing with. >> john: the house majority seems to have no problem punishing poor people. how did we get to the point where congress is willing to penalize the poor for being poor, instead of trying on a patriotic level to help them out? >> when you look at a lot of these people what you will find out is that they are millionaire millionaires, about 50% of congress are millionaires. if you look at the republican

caucus, you really have a party that is paralyzed right now. it has been taken over by the extreme right-wing and i hear from my colleagues that have been in congress for many many years that this is not the republican party that they knew even five years ago so at some point in time, they need to take their party back. >> john: there are many millionaires who do care about the less fortunate. >> absolutely. >> john: karen bass thank you so much for giving your time, expertise and coming on "viewpoint." >> thanks for having me. >> john: yes, the nsa is spying on you, and no, you can't challenge that in courted.

cenk off air alright in 15 minutes we're going to do the young turks! i think the number 1 thing than viewers like about the young turks is that were honest. they know that i'm not bsing them for some hidden agenda, actually supporting one party or the other. when the democrats are wrong, they know i'm going to be the first one to call them out. cenk on air>> what's washington continues to screw

the middle class over. cenk off air i don't want the middle class taking the brunt of the spending cuts and all the different programs that wind up hurting the middle class. cenk on air you got to go to the local level, the state level and we have to fight hard to make sure they can't buy our politics anymore. cenk off air and they can question if i'm right about that. but i think the audience gets that, i actually mean it. cenk on air 3 trillion dollars in spending cuts! narrator uniquely progressive and always topical the worlds largest online news show is on current tv. cenk off air and i think the audience gets, "this guys to best of his abilities is trying to look out for us." only on current tv! >> john: the dangerous shell game your government is playing with our constitutional protections. and yesterday, adam liptak reminded the american public how dangerous. in his article he revis itted

the clapper versus amnesty case where the supreme court rejected the warrant. but the court did make sure to get clarity from the feds as to who would have standing. solicitor general donald b. verrilli, jr. stated to the court . . . seems pretty black and white. so in a 5-4 decision the supreme court accepted his assurances and ruled in his favor, but apparently no one told federal prosecutors who have been refusing to make the promised disclosures in criminal cases, so basically the surveillance program is now immunized my friends from any challenges under the fourth amendment. here to discuss this teflon arm

of the government is patrick toomey, a fellow with the aclu's national security project. mr. toomey welcome to "viewpoint." >> thank you for having me on your show, john. >> john: it's a pleasure to have you. it gets so mind boggling that it seems like it is almost designed to bogle the mine so we just switch off and go watch the kardashians. but is the nsa surveillance beyond judicial review? >> the aclu believes it is not. but the government is making it very hard for people to challenge the law. it told the supreme court that criminal defendants when they were wiretapped that they would have notice. but they have not been giving that kind of notice to criminal defendants, and have refused their efforts to determine

whether they were surveilled. we believe they should have the right to challenge the basis for the government's search. >> john: especially since the white house 's lawyer told us they would have that protection. >> that's exactly right. he stood up last fall and he said that although amnesty international and other plaintiffs did not have standings, because they didn't know whether they had been surveilled or not, that these criminal defendants would have that chance, and to date no criminal defendant has gotten notice from the government. >> john: the times article sited two current prosecutions that are facing real pushback from the feds. both cases have filed notions for the government to disclose whether it relies on the evidence. but prosecutors have refused. can they do that? >> we think they cannot do that in these cases and that the judges when they rule on the motions currently pengding in

chicago and florida will hold the government to its word in the supreme court, and will read the supreme court's decision in clapper to require the government to tell these defendants, just -- it's a very limited thing that these defendants are asking for. something we really take for granted, and that's just to know what law the government relied on when the government searched their emails. and these defendants are just asking for the same thing under the constitution. >> john: beyond the shaving of the fourth amendment does it undercut the authority of the supreme court? >> we think it challenges the supreme court's holding, and what the government told the supreme court just several months ago, but that when push comes to shove these lower courts will hold the government to its word and these

defendants will have the opportunity to challenge the law. >> john: and then they will be told what they did and how it was found? >> we hope so. >> john: okay. why do you hate obama? i'm just telling you what i'll hear all day tomorrow for having this conversation. let's play devil's advocate for a second. what about the this florida case where these two brothers are accused of planning to bomb targets in new york but never made a bomb. what do you say to that? >> challenging the program is a far cry from undermining the whole security system that we have. what basically these defendants are asking for at this stage is just the opportunity to challenge the basis for the government's search. so it's something far more limited than undermining the type of surveillance that the government conducts on a day-to-day basis.

they just want the opportunity to test whether the search was in fact lawful just like any other defendant would. >> john: you would think that a president who is a constitutional law scholar might have weighed in on this and been an advocate. are you surprised? >> we are. back when this very same law was up for renewal or being proposed in 2008, obama came out against it, and signed on to certain amendments that would have restricted the scope of the law and the government's authority to wiretap americans but now that he's president, he seems to be very supportive. >> john: do you think he would change it if he could, or does he know stuff we don't? >> i think he stands behind the program as it is now, and he does not seem to support the type of public conversation that we should be having. >> john: okay. i want to thank, patrick toomey

fellow at the aclu thank you for your tireless work and thank you for depressing the living hell out of me with this conversation patrick. >> thank you. >> john: we're going to visit north carolina who's state's slogan is a better place to be and it is a better place to be if you happen to be a really rich guy. stick around. are you encouraged by what you heard the president say the other night? is this personal, or is it political? a lot of my work happens by doing the things that i'm given to doing anyway, by staying in touch with everything that is going on politically and putting my own nuance on it. in reality it's not like they actually care. this is purely about political grandstanding. i've worn lots of hats, but i've always kept this going. i've been doing politics now for a dozen years. (vo) he's been called the epic politics man. he's michael shure and his arena is the war room. >> these republicans in congress that think the world ends at the atlantic ocean border and pacific ocean border. the bloggers and the people that are sort of compiling the best

of the day. i do a lot of looking at those people as well. not only does senator rubio just care about rich people, but somehow he thinks raising the minimum wage is a bad idea for the middle class. but we do care about them right?

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carolina, we are going to visit the state capitol, where emperor palpatine loiists i mean the republican legislate have passed massive tax reductions on the rich. here is what happened. under the new law, those with an average income of almost $1 million, would receive a tax cut of nearly $10,000, and middle income folks are going to experience a tax increase. it's just the kind of tax relief that these greedy bastards love only when two or more republicans are in a room together. the bottom 80% now pay between 9 and 10% of their income in combined sales and income taxes, compared to just 6.5% for the

top 1% of earners, but the new law makes the income disparity even wider because legislators felt there was just too much money in poor people's pockets. wtf, north carolina republican legislators. the only person i can think of who has screwed this many people this hard was ron jeremy. and i have a lot more respect for him as an artist than i do for you. now. (vo) she gets the comedians laughing and the thinkers thinking. >>ok, so there's wiggle room in the ten commandments, that's what you're saying. you would rather deal with ahmadinejad than me. >>absolutely. >> and so would mitt romney. (vo) she's joy behar. >>and the best part is that current will let me say anything. what the hell were they thinking?

>> john: we're living in tense times, my friends, and if you don't laugh, you just might cry, so the question is what is the role of comedy? well, we have a lot of comedians and satirists and bloggers who think they are funny on this show. jim norton is a man who covers material most wont touch. >> people love being offended and feeling self righteous. it's like if you talk about

islam, you can't make fun of islam, because that makes you islam phobic. i don't hate as islams, but as a group, their problem-handling skills are not good. a danish cartoonist did an offensive cartoon, and they were rioting and setting embassies on fire. don't they ever just fire off an angry email? i didn't appreciate that. send. [ laughter ] >> john: jim norton is a comedian, and you might know him from "the opie and anthony show" j"jim norton - american degenerate" premieres on epix and epixhd.com prefeared on august 23rdrd. it's great to have you. >> thank you. i hate the chain.

>> john: you don't like the chain why? >> i just don't like it. after lucky loui got canceled pan gave us all chains and i look like a fool in it. >> john: i like it. but i wanted to have you on, and i like that bit a lot. >> thank you. >> john: of course. because i think you speak for a lot of people in it. and i think both in the media i think liberals and conservatives at this point are equal to blame for it, there are people who are dieing to be offended at something, and i get it every day. what is your response to people who say that's over the line? >> you can't respect any of them. they are going to be upset at what i say, but if another comic said it they wouldn't be upset. like when carlin did the seven

deadly words. everyone had to abide by that rule. but when it comes to offense over ethnic or racial or sexist humor, or whatever religious, certain people allow it, and certain people won't. there are people that find gay marriage to be very offensive. so if you say something in favor of those things, you are violating core beliefs of certain people in this country. am i supposed to honor that nonsense? of course not. that's why you can never respect it. but guys who are just being harmful jthey are just being thugs too. >> john: yeah, if it's funny, it is going to work. if you can pull a piece off -- if you can find a way to make it socially relevant and funny and shocking then yeah. >> sure. and what americans like to do is

find pop culture figures that do something stupid and then crucify them publicly just to show people how we don't do what they do. it's a really weird way of validating ourselves like paula dean, the latest example of fake outrage -- >> john: well asking african-americans to dress up like happy slaves at a wedding, i can see why that would be hurtful and kind of tacky to people. >> maybe it is tacky, but as far as the obsession over the language she used and the dishonesty that people have over the language like matt lauer giving her that smug self satisfied chiding he gave her, and it's like are you going to tell me you have never said anything racially in your life. >> john: and you don't get to wag your finger over somebody for their sins when you are

profitting off of it. >> yeah, and who cares about paula dean. >> john: paula deen has been prejudiced against america's arteries for decades. >> right. >> john: what is the hardest topic you have ever wrote jokes about? >> 9/11 was really hard. because it was a few blocks north of the towers, and i was hanging out with comedians, and we were sitting around talking, and we couldn't joke about it yet. so what we were talking about -- like what was your fantasy? like if i was on one of those planes, what would i have done? and we weren't kidding, but we all realized we thought that thought through, how would i have saved the day? >> john: uh-huh. >> and then we started to mock each other for the ludicrous fantasies. and keith robinson this is the

truth, he said if i was walking on to one of those planes, and i saw those guys i would have seen the flight attendant and punched her, and when the cops came to arrest me i would have said go get those terrorists. and went on story -- >> john: and it breaks the tension. >> they loved it. >> john: i did a show on the 15th of september, and i realize it was all relief workers. it was all people who had been spending up all day pickings up body parts. and i just asked the audience permission? i'm like can i make fun of president bush now? is there anything that shocks you or anything that offends you? >> no, not really. shocking -- it's so funny -- humor has never shocked me.

sometimes it's rude -- i like rude or dirty humor, so what. you turn on and hear that they are beheading cops in mexico. that is horrible and shocking and there is nothing a comedian that can say that would top this. >> john: what is the greatest sin a comedian can commit in your mind? >> stealing or forcing yourself to take a position because you think the crowd will accept it,like being a phony maverick. you can attack catholicism as much as you want. but it's like no one cares. talk about islam and the other things that are happening. >> john: for me it's the far-right conservative wings of all religions.

we talk a lot about that on this show. when you go for the hypocrisy, then i think the crowd gets the upper hand. working out well so far on current? >> i feel right at home. >> john: all right stick around, jim is not leaving. >> jack, how old are you? >> nine. >> this is what 27 tons of marijuana looks like. (vo) with award winning documentaries that take you inside the headlines, way inside. (vo) from the underworld, to the world of privilege. >> everyone in michael jackson's life was out to use him. (vo) no one brings you more documentaries that are real, gripping, current.

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>> john: welcome back to "viewpoint," we have plenty of topics to tackle with an all-star panel. we're here with jim norton and sherrod small is a comedian who hosts "united states of hip hop" on fuse and co-hosts "men versus food" on travel channel. and has appeared on every tv show ever made including the texaco star theater -- >> everything. >> john: actor and comedian. you may know him as "tv's frank" from mystery science theater 3000". gentlemen, britain is on its way to legalizing same-sex marriage. what is going to happen to the fringe right in the uk now that so many people are falling on the moral side of civil rights? this is really rocking british society? are we leading them? >> they will probably do the

same thing the far right people here do. they will complain about it and then continue to have secret homosexual affairs. >> i think jimmy is right. britain, you would think they would be ahead of us on this, but they are not. >> john: no, they are not. >> it is shocking to me, though. it seems like mere of an international place to be. >> john: i have had much better gay sex in britain. >> the british couldn't even figure out that oscar wild was gay. >> john: the case has been made if you don't like gay marriage don't get gary married. jim do you think the age of using fear of a happily gay, married couple is over? >> yeah, i think it should have

been over 40 years ago, but people like to tell other people what to do. once gay marriage is legal, it will be the next thing. it's not necessarily homosexuals being married, it's people like to dictate what other people are doing. >> john: and if you let a man marry a man, next thing you know is beastiality will be legal. >> even if it does, what does that have to do with you? it's still not you. it's not your concern. >> the gay marriage movement in this country is one of the ultimate triumphs of conservatism. it's like gay people used to have this reputation for being wild. they want to have families go to pta meetings be soccer moms or dads or whatever, and conservatives should be embracing it. >> i think it's old conservatives. i think the younger guys realize and understand and have more friends who live that life --

>> john: i think you are right. libertarians are going to lead the way. >> who doesn't love a good transsexual. >> john: yeah, i saw your special. i know all about that. good with fashion tips and around the house. texas and north carolina are the latest states to make hard line approaches to abortion, and marco rubio wants to repeal roe v. wade. >> i think i'm responsible for more abortions than women. i think i have the right to speak. >> john: when we announced that the four of was were going to talk about abortion, you know what males are the problem here. we're not telling women they can't have them. we're four males talking about it, because i think men have to help solve the problem. >> many people think i'm one of the best arguments there is for abortion.

>> john: no, yao are the best argument for birth control. >> if i could function without a condom, i would probably have different feelings, but -- [ laughter ] >> it's not a birth control, jimmy. >> john: it is not. but it is treated like it is. abortion is always going to be around -- >> as long as there with [ inaudible ]. >> john: that's horrible, but you are exactly right. i think the pro choice people are generally the ones tries to seek less abortions. if you don't support birth control, you don't get to complain about abortion. >> good point. >> i don't find five months -- i don't want row v wade repealed but there are people who want to coax the kid out five minutes before his birth with a hammer. >> john: and the other thing is when the mother's life is in

jeopardy. and obama thought we should allow abortions if the women's life is in jeopardy. >> yeah, but there are people that are just kind of lazy and they are like it's 22 weeks. >> that doctor doing the illegal abortions definitely didn't help. >> john: yeah, but if they repeal roe v. wade that's what they are asking for thousands of those guys praying on poor ladies. >> the press didn't cover him a lot. they covered him because they kind of had to -- >> fox news got them to. i will give them credit for that. >> yeah, was that was a big story. >> closing down planned parenthood centers is the best way to make sure that there are more abortions in this country, because they give people the knowledge, information and help for people to make the right decisions.

>> john: why do you hate baby's frank. [ laughter ] >> john: there you have it four guys talking about abortion and we pulled it off better than congress. all right, stick around. >> no, they said "make us a turkey and make it fast". >> (laughter). >> she gets the comedians laughing. >> that's the best! >> that's hilarious. >> ... and the thinkers thinking. >> okay, so there is wiggle room in the ten commandments is what you're telling me. >> she's joy behar. >> ya, i consider you jew-talian. >> okay, whatever you want. >> who plays kafka? >> who saw kafka? >> who ever saw kafka? >> (laughter). >> asking the tough questions. >> chris brown, i mean you daughters go out with him. >> absolutely not. >> you would rather deal with ahmadinejad then me? >> absolutely! >> (singing) >> i take lipitor, thats it. >> are you improving your lips? >> (laughter). >> when she's talking, you never know where the conversation is going to go. >> it looks like anthony wiener is throwing his hat in the ring. >> his what in the ring? >> his hat.

>> always outspoken, joy behar. >> and the best part is that current will let me say anything. what the hell were they thinking? >> only on current tv.

>> john: we're back with our panel, pretty much horrifying my new bosses comedians jim norton, sherrod small, and frank conniff. jenny mccarthy was appointed as the new host to "the view" this week jim what did you do? >> i have never done that show. in that type of an audience doesn't really embrace my sensibilities. i can be quite charming. [ laughter ] >> but i was happy to hear that jenny mccarthy -- who cares. i was more worried about curlily

jones getting into the stooges. >> john: i tell you why it is a story, everyone who hated elizabeth hassleback you have people who think she is just a conservative. jenny mccarthy has ideas that are really bad for america. >> her ideas -- you were talk about paula dean before. whatever you want to say about her -- her stuff she said hasn't harmed children, and she is not allowed on tv now. but jenny mccarthy who's ideas about vaccinations are harmful to children, and she has her own show now. >> it's the media. the media hates the kids. >> doesn't jenny mccarthy said if you get a vaccination you have to cut off the arm. [ laughter ] >> i always say the horror the horror at the end of "the view." >> how does she have time for the new show when she is dating

mark wahlberg. >> john: she is dating a new kid on the block? >> i got that out. >> john: it's great when the right people find each other. we asked our audience online earlier in the day what jokes or subjects if any should be off limits. and generally people felt you should not make fun of people in a situation that they have no control over. that seems like a sane response. >> yeah, just turn the channel. do something else. take a nap, relax. shut your face stop annoying everyone. i don't care for that. really? who cares. >> john: can you joke about poverty. >> you can joke about anything. whatever comes up, it is yes. >> a lot of comedians know about poverty firsthand. >> john: i think the secret is to not attack down. they always say where is there not more right-wing comedy

that's main stream. i think you have to defend your targets, and a lot of it that is right wink -- >> it is better when it's from the point of view of the underdog or the outsider. >> right now the outsider is that dude you can have one conservative who can kill everywhere. >> but i think that's more comfortable. attacking down in humor is no different than attacking up in humor. the motive is to make people laugh. >> right. >> i think people are quicker to go woe woe woe, if you are attack down. >> john: stephanie fredericks wrote . . . so now i would like to ask what kind of porn you are into. i think that's actually true -- >> if i get a laugh that is porn. >> i like the rough stuff. anyone who lost in world war ii. the japanese the germans.

>> after gay marriage you mentioned it. >> john: jason wrote . . . thank you, jason, but obama needs your assault weapon now. and i think he is right -- >> they are coming for our laughs. >> john: i do -- george carlin also said you can't joke about rape, and he said imagine elmer fud raping porky pig. and i thought yeah the artist has an obligation -- >> an artist on the level of george carlin has the right to say whatever he wants to say because he is a genius. >> and the same people who attack a comic for doing an incorrect joke are the same ones that would call giuliani a fascist because we went after the museum of new york --

>> uh-huh. >> john: nothing off limits on the 700 club, pat robertson asked a sports guy whether president obama is cepto-muslim. how many muslims does obama have to kill with drones to have pat robinson stop calling him a muslim? >> seven more. is this a game show? >> john: but this is the crap against obama other guys don't have. he is muslim-ish. >> but pat robertson is a fool. he is the same guy that thought that gay people called 9/11 because god was angry. shut up. >> he also thinks that tornados destroy mid- -- middle american conservative neighborhoods because of gay marriage. >> john: exactly.

>> he is sa dope. >> john: right, but it's another example. it's the far right-wing ultra fundamentalist christians and ultra far-right muslims and they are keeping life very interesting for the rest of us. >> they are. and even carlin admits it's the far left who are going more after the language. and he said most of the sensorship is on college campuses. >> john: yeah, i once had a producer yell at me for calling naomi campbell a beautiful black supermodel. >> and pat robertson thinks gays control the weather? >> john: yes. i think underage pregnancy and trailer park culture are god punishing us. >> the midwest. >> john: that's our show. i want to thank, jim norton

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