>> welcome to the war room. i'm david sirota, michael shure is off this week. tonight, to russia with our love. president obama decides to throw some shade at russian president vladamir put tin. how well the k.g.b. respond? the war room starts now. >> today, president obama announced he will truthful moscow for a planned g-20 summit but not meet privately with russian president put tin. he cited a lack of progression of arms, trade within global

security and human rights. a statement released by the white house explained: >> now, if you ask me, these agreements are not reasons to postpone a meet, their reasons to have a meeting. sitting down and negotiating is not a sign of weakness, it's usually a sign of strength. in 1961, president kennedy sat down for the vienna summit to discuss their troubled relationship. president reagan sat down with mikael gorbachev. join be me now is christina pelosi and from new york, michael shure, who's the usual host of this show. welcome to both of you. >> thank you. >> michael, let's start with you. isn't there a danger here of escalating the situation with russia by canceling a meeting in

such a dramatic fashion? isn't there a sense of raising the dress level here? >> yeah, you know, david, you talked about a little bit of precedent in 1961 with 39 kennedy. the world's a different place now. he is skating with russia isn't what it once was. i think by giving them a small punishment of not having this meeting, which was not going to be the most important meeting, he's still going to the g-20, it seemed the olympics, the olympics are still intact. i don't think a fuse can be lit the same way it was in the past. >> the question, christine, of weakness and strength, we both remember, we all remember the bush administration saying, forwarding the idea that negotiating with people we're disagreeing with is a sign of weakness and we shouldn't negotiate with terrorist. nobody is calling vladamir put tin a terrorist, but negotiating or not negotiating, is it a

strength. >> i think there's two facts that we have to remember. the first is what are we going to get out of a meeting with put tin? we're not going to get snowden back or the superbowl ring back. realistically speaking, what does it do? >> you are definitely looking at much more of a high stakes game when the two of them meet privately. what do they need publicly, multi-laterally from russia? help with the peace process in the in the middle east and help with syria and north korea. those are areas we need discussions in the g-20. i think it's good the president is still participating there. >> you mentioned edward snowden. michael, i want to turn to but that. it seems like the final straw was russia deciding to grant asylum to edward snowden. the united states is also in the business of granting asylum to alleged law breakers.

here are two individuals who have found asylum in the united states in recent years. the bombing of a cuban airliner in 1976 killed several people. and these are people who have asylum in the united states. does the united states have legitimacy to criticize russia's snowden decision when we are granting asylum to those who have committed arguably far worse crimes? >> probably not, david. i think actually definitely not. they don't have the moral authority to do it. that doesn't they are not going to do it. each case can be taken as an individual case. i think they were clearly very upset. i thought it was interesting today, and i'm interested to see what christine that to say about john lewis, the conscious of the congress has said what edward snowden did was akin to standing up to power, a moral move, the

right thing for him to do, almost a peaceful protest against what are laws that sometimes you have to go to a higher moral standard. the united states clearly, as you just illustrated, david, is not taking the higher moral standard, you can look at each situation differently, if it's typical, it doesn't matter to the united states. at this point, they are angry at edward snowden for releasing these secrets about the n.s.a. leaks. they don't care about precedent. they want russia to give him back. people in power say we want to give him a fair trial here in america pap lot of us are very skeptical about that. you make a very good example here. i don't think that they look at it in the same vein. >> john lewis came out today and keith ellison, the congressman from minnesota said much the

same thing, that edward snowden is walking in the tradition of martin luther king. do you agree or not? >> i think what martin luther king did was write a letter from the birmingham jail, not moscow. he faced his crime when he could have had an opportunity to flee the country. he didn't do that. i think it's a very good thing he went to jail to challenge the congress of the country. he went to jail and wrote from jail. he was trying to challenge the legitimacy of the law by showing it's i will legitimacy in practice. i think edward snowden should come home and face the music. to me, that is what makes sense. if he's right, if snowden is correct, and we do have very important secrets that are being gathered by the u.s. government, why is he giving them to russia. >> we don't know he's giving them to russia. that's an assumption. >> don't you assume that they have his hard drive, that they have the ability.

do we have any facts that indicate that snowden and his computers are solely without investigation by the people who just gave him asylum. >> the united states government has tried outlaw the kind of encryption that edward snowden is doing. i say it's an assumption that they have the information he has. there aren't facts. i'm sure some of those facts will come out. let's turn to president obama's appearance on the jay leno show. this is president obama talking about domestic spying. i think he's parsing words. listen in. >> there is no spying on americans. we don't have a domestic spying program. what we do have are some mechanisms where we can track a phone number or an email address. >> we are spying, but we're using surveillance, what is spying, what is surveillance? the n.s.a. database, which some have called the largest database

ever assembled contains 1.9 trillion calendar details. 1.7 billions texts are received every single day. is the pot being honest claiming that we aren't using domestic spying techniques? >> for him to say there is no domestic spying program, it's a little bit dancing around the truth. is it called the domestic spying program? >> no. are they accumulating data with something that vice with what we think spying should be? >> yes. the president is saying we are not in the business of going through american's things and their emails and their information. we are accumulating data to see tremendous, which, you know, to you and me and i'm not going to say for christina on this one, but to you and me it sounds like spying, as we've come to know it. on the legal sense, we're back to there is no, the word is in

center stage in american policies again. >> the first thank came to my mind, are we debatedding what the definition of "is" is. the president said this kind of program should make us safer. that's the argument on the policy. he said saying that these programs make us safer. why is he also then going on national television and essentially insisting that these programs don't really exist? >> what he's saying is we contract this phone call, we're not listening in on the conversation. two nights ago, everybody in california had their smart phone go off for an amber alert for a horrific crime that happened outside of san diego, california. it was thought that a potential murderer had kidnapped one or two children and taking them south to canada or south to

mexico or east to texas. some people thought oh, thank god, if you see something, say something. other people were saying wait a second, how did you get my number and how are you invading my privacy by accepting me that amber alert? similarly the fact that he has my smart known and knows my number is one thing. i was happy to get the amber alert and happy we have abn.s.a. program, but i think it has to be more carefully tailored. that was the vote and the subsequent letter that you saw to the white house this summer. i'm not one who believes that you cut off funding, but i think they have to more narrowly taylor what they are allowed to do. i was far more concerned about what they're doing with the d.e.a. that does get closer to a domestic criminal profiling system that i think we have to be more careful about. >> there have been leaks about whether n.s.a. information is being used by other agencies to

look into non-terrorism related crimes, which is very, very creepy, very, very creepy, i think needs a lot more congressional oversight. christina pelosi, thanks for being here. michael shure, thanks for being here. stick around, we're going to be talking to you a little bit more. coming up next, we're going to be talking about -- we're going to get a visit from mother convenience magazine dark money reporter. that's like being the death star reporters for the star wars tribune, and then, is the south like america's uncle who gets drunk and shouts racist things at your cousins wedding? maybe it's time we stop inviting the south to our events. we'll look at interns generally doing things for which most people get paid. shh, don't tell them. it's wednesday in the war room and we are just getting started. stay with us.

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video curate oar, what is booker up to? his june financial disclosures reveal a stake in a tech start up with connections to some of silicon valley's biggest names. it aims to help users collect, curate and share videos on line. the mayor's stake in the venture is valid at $1 million to $5 million, personal money. it has a rock star lineup of backers, google chief executive, linked in c.e.o. and cofounder jon hamm, all for a web side that had just 2200 visitors in june. booker is running way ahead in that race for the new jersey's open senate seat. exactly what kind of return are these tech moguls expecting? a piece of the company's profit or a piece of the action if

booker reaches the u.s. senate? we're rejoined by michael shure, who is spending his vacation from the war room inside the war room and from washington, we also have mother jones magazine dark money reporter andy krohl. is this kind of hinge illegal, unethical, is it just a coincidence, bad judgment on booker's part, a combination of all of it. when i read this story, i thought that it was one of the most corrupt schemes to deliver personal money to a u.s. senate candidate that i've seen in a long time. what do you think? volunteer well, i think it raises a whole bunch of red flags about cory booker, and about how he interacts with the people who, you know, both people that he, who's interests he could be legislating or deciding on if he does become -- does he does go to congress, and

also just issues about who funds his campaign. there are so may be murky overlaps here and ethical trip wires, if you will, about this whole, you know, you tube wanna-be venture that he is a part of. you also saw that the john of jeff zuker, the head of cnn, his 14-year-old son was on the board and had stock options for this company, as well. now i see the news coming out later today that the son has left the board, but that always raises questions, you have an overlap with cory booker and the head of an incredibly influential media corporation. was there anything illegal done? sure doesn't look like it. cory booker is allowed to meet with members of as i will lon valley, he is allowed, people can give him money and he can have business interests, a lot of lawmakers do that. it does not look good.

the judgment side of it does not look good, either. there are circumstances about him disclosing this belatedly, his interest in this company, to the public, "the new york times" story that didn't really appear on his financial disclosures originally and they were amended. we were late in this senate inspection in new jersey. the whole thing does not pass the smell test. it's one thing to say you're tech savvy, has in roads into silicon valley, but it's another thing to get entangled with donors and allies and the children of media conglomerates like we have here. >> you mentioned oftentimes what is legal sometimes is worse than what is illegal you. put this together with cory booker as a sitting public official in office doing speaking engagements for hundred was thousands of dollars for himself personally, and i would turn to you and michael and i would ask are all of these

schemes simply new ways for wealthy individuals to put money in the pockets of public officials to ultimately buy influence with those public officials when they get into an office like the u.s. senate? >> yeah. i think you're 100% right, or 99% right, because the 1% wrong is calling it a new way. this is something that's gone on forever and just a fansful way, if you will, of doing it. you call into -- i think andy's spot on when he says that the real problem here is that it seemed disclosed. of course the real problem is the law that allows this to happen and each time we tell the story, whether it's cory booker or any of the other 99 people who we will call colleagues, generally speaking, there is a story like this. i think the real problem is that a, it's legal, but b., that they all cover it up the way cory booker did. cory booker has tried to shareness experience of poverty.

it's not disingenuous. then to go ahead and hide that he has, i think between $1 million and $5 million, that's how big the gap in his stake in this company, i think that is a real problem. then there's the influence. if it's not going to be this, it's going to be something else. that is the root of the problem, his judgment, the only thing that makes me question his judgment is who puts a 15-year-old on their board. aside from that, this is just another venture that another politician that gone into. >> very quickly, here's what is new. yes, politicians trade their votes for campaign contributions. that's older than anything, but what's new, and may be it's not new, but perhaps what's more unique right now is the fact of getting private money into the personal pocket, not into the campaign fund, but actually,

we're now talking about gilded age kind of stuff, where big money is actually going into the private bank account of somebody running for the u.s. senate. andy, i would turn to you and ask you that question. we saw a little bit of this with bob mcdonnell, the governor of virginia who got the gifts, him personally. is this the new norm? five years ago, it was big campaign contributions for votes. are we moving into an era where it's money to the actually personality themselves for their own bank account? >> and david, just to add to that for one second, a lot of the politicians who take this money defer it or give to it a charity or give it to another fund, and that's a big difference, too. >> andy, what do you think, is it something new? >> yeah, it is. what really interests me about this booker story, and, you know, and you can weave into this story, you know, silicon

valley, really becoming, before our eyes right now, big tech really becoming a political player, you know, you have mark zuckerberg's forward.us group, all these folks becoming more politically engaged instead of in their libertarian utopia. we're seeing a new wrinkle, a new development in how, you know with, tech and washington and how all the money sloshing around in different ways, you know, is manifesting itself. it's one thing for members of silicon valley to get together and form a super pac or get together and form a dark money non-profit. that is not all that, you know, surprising or new, because other folks have done that, but it's quite another thing to say a politician get entangled financially with silicon valley through away actual company. that doesn't really seem to do

anything no one knows existed. i didn't know it existed until i read the story today, even though it's been around for some months now. it's not just that cory booker got contributions from silicon valley, not enough that there is some super pac out there fund understand by tech folks that wants to help him out, but that he is financially livinged to them directly, personally. he's being personally subsidized. >> he's being personally subsidized. that to me is something incredibly knew. we're running out of time. i want to get to one other story out of the campaign world in terms of money. the kentucky senate race, amazing things happened over the weekend in that race. this is senate minority leader mitch mcconnell facing his two opponents, grymes and bev ax n at the state's annual fancy farm picnic. watch this. >> as long as i'm in the senate,

kentucky will have a voice instead of san francisco and martha's vineyard. >> let's tell it like it is. if the doctors told senator mcconnell that he had a kidney stone, he'd troves pass it. >> the bells that have been ringing, mitch mcconnell seems to wonder what was up with that. i saw him looking around. let me tell you something, senator, if you haven't scurried away yet, ask thought for whom the bells toll, senator, they toll for you. >> andy, you've written about how much money mcconnell said challengers will have to raise to beat him. they have to raise a huge amount of money to beat him. do they have a chance? >> yeah, i mean, i think that the -- that democratic challenger grymes, she has, the race is early, but she is starting to put together a fundraising juggernaut.

i've been talking with folks around the country and i have in the years i've been reporting on this issue not seen that many different parts of the democratic money machine, if you bill, aligning behind one candidate in one race. you cannot understate how much democrats dislike, they loathe mitch mcconnell. they want him out of the senate at all costs. they don't think he's just bad for the senate, but bad for american democracy. people are really getting behind grymes. mr. o'connell, say what you will about him, but the guy that a political operation that is effective, brutally effective. this race is going to be expensive, this race is going to be nasty. this race is going -- it's already started with the fantasy farm event you had there, and it's going to go right through election day, and it's going to be absolutely crammed with

crash. >> what do you think, does the democratic have a chance in this, is there going to be so much money that mitch mcconnell is going to raise that no candidate will have a chance? >> we've been fooled in kentucky thinking the departments have a chance, jack conway, the attorney emof the state who didn't come anywhere near to beating rand paul. you do get a little excitement. the most important thing tomorrow how often this conversation is what andy said, nobody covers this like andy and knows campaign finance in this way. for him to say he has never seen anything like this, the fundraision going on behind grymes, that is the important takeaway from the conversation. mitch mcconnell can be beaten especially when you here the information andy gave us about the fundraising effort. that cannot be overstated, how port that is. >> thanks for being here as always, that's andy krohl and michael shure. coming up, washington is always

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unpaid internships have become necessary stepping stones careers in competitive industries. there's a growing wave of legal action against them. last year, an intern suid hearst magazine for back pay. two unpaid pictures object the movie black swan should have gotten at least minimum wage. it's not global brands and multi-international companies that do this. there are unpaid internships in every industry, health care, law, fashion and of course government. every summer in washington, d.c., intern season brings an estimated 20,000-30,000 enterprising young in dentured servants, i mean interns to washington. it's one thing when corporations exploit their workers, it's

another thing when the government does it. the white house has been advocating for a higher minimum wage, amount to say less than $15,000 a year. at the same time, the white house offers summer internships that demand 45 hours a week and pay absolutely nothing. i was never a math guy, but i think that's a little less than $7.25 an hour. unpaid internships favors those wealthy enough for those whose parents are wealthy enough to afford to work for free. those who can't have entire career paths closed off to them. luckily, a new organization is trying to do something about it. joining us from london is mikey franklin, former intern and founder of the fair pay campaign, a non-profit centering around unpaid internships in washington, d.c. mikey, thank you for joining us in the war room tonight. >> thank you for having me.

>> let's start with your personal experience. you went to washington looking for a job and went like a lot of people with bright eyes, big ambitions, tell us what happened to you, in your experience. >> when i first went to washington, d.c., i was lucky enough that i had savings and a supportive family. i found myself in an incredibly exploitive environments, working 70 hour weeks, up to midnight sometimes and always for no pay. >> i was an unpaid intern, so this hits close to home. i remember the experience of being an unpaid intern in washington. there are people watching this who weren't interns in washington. for them, describe what kind of work interns do on capitol hill, is that just fetching coffee and making copies or something more? >> there's a common misconception that interns are training for doing work that doesn't need to be done, but that's not true. in terrence are performing

substantive work, particularly on capitol hill, doing important research and policy work, that if they weren't doing it would have to be done by a paid employee. >> the question of whether this is just a labor issue, i mean this is something that i think is not spoken about, not really all that well understood in terms of how internships potentially structure ally shift the work system to people who can afford to take an unpaid internship. i'll ask you, are unpaid internships part of a larger class system that washington uses to reinforce the idea that if you have money, you can have opportunity? >> you're absolutely right. there's a reason that too many people in too many positions of power look like us. if you've got to work for free to get ahead in politics or in journalism or in a creative industry, like film and fashion, it's going to be a huge barrier to anyone that doesn't already have individual or family wealth. people who do have individual or

family wealth are white men, people from the upper classes, so every single time an add vertigos up for an unpaid internship we are slamming the door in the face of someone talented who can't afford to work for free. >> what would you say to supporters of unpaid internships who claim they are great educational opportunities and if employers had to pay interns even a pittance, it would eliminate these entry level type jobs positions, there be wiping out the possibility for that opportunity for somebody to learn on the job? >> well, you know, every sickle time someone says to me i don't mind working for free, what i hear is i can afford to work for free. ultimately, these positions around going to go anywhere. in terrence aren't just fetching coffee, and they're not doing unimportant jobs, they're doing important work in industries that need to be done.

the work that needs to be done whether or not the interns are being paid, so we're saying interns should be paid to make internship a reality for everyone. >> you helped a pilot program aimed at stopping the career center at new york university from advertising, even letting people know about unpaid internships. how was that received on campus from students aspiring for careers in various industries where there are these in turn ships, not only where they are, but where they're a necessity? >> i want to emif a size that that wasn't started by me, but by an n.y.u. student. she reached out to our organization, because she was fed one being told that she had to work for free if she wanted to get ahead. she put a petition up on coworker.org and received over a thousand signatures from

students who recognize this is an enormous problem, in too many industries is open for this or a certain class of person. >> mikey, thanks for raising the issue. it's hugely important issue. we're going to swish directions, going tote south. it already feels like international travel to a lot of people, so why not make it a separate country? a plan for southern secession. we'll be right back.

alright, in 15 minutes we're going to do the young turks. i think the number one thing that viewers like about the young turks is that we're honest. they know that i'm not bs'ing them with some hidden agenda, actually supporting one party or the other. when the democrats are wrong, they know that i'm going to be the first one to call them out. they can question whether i'm right, but i think that the audience gets that this guy, to the best of his ability, is trying to look out for us. >> we've all thought bit, just admit it, and you probably have too, why isn't the south just secede from the united states. every day, southerners, even rick perry and kentucky's u.s. senator ron paul call for the south to become its own nation. what if they let those 800

square miles of our nation go. check out these statistics. the united health foundation ranked these states as the top 10 least sheltie. the usually suspects are right there in the bottom right hand corner, that's right, the south. they say the least library visits her year based on the national center for education statistics. every single southern state, beside west virginia and louisiana is in the bottom half of education spending per student. so is it time for an amicable break up, a nice break up, but a breakup indeed. chuck thomson has wondered the same thing. he went to the south and did some research, the result, a hilarious book about folks that he says may be holding our country back. the book is called "better off without them, a northern manifest toe for southern

secession." chuck, thanks for being here. your book is terrific. in the very beginning of the book, you say you find yourself shouting: >> so, first and foremost, chuck, tell us how you really feel about the south. >> i really feel about that passage, which is probably the most quoted from the entire book is that hyperbole is an interesting literary device and a grabber. a lot of people have assumed that that is what the entire book is about. thanks for having me on and having read at least past the first pang so you know there's a little more to it and spleen and rage and venom, of which i have a decent amount, but i think a lot of americans do on both the

north and south. >> 10 out of the 11 most christian cities are in the south, including shreveport, birmingham, nashville, the least san francisco, portland and boston. in your book, you take us through the south's history. how did northern and southern societies in your estimation become so different especially after the civil war when there was supposed to be some reconciliation? >> that christian evangelical movement has been stronger in the south. it has to do with the people who settled in that part of the country. those statistics, shreveport, 98% identify themselves as christians, the others high 90's, well. the first chapter in the book is the building block to me of a lot of the problems that north and south have had for a long, long time. you talk about the history. i wanted to focus on

contemporary issues in this book. it's difficult not to go back to the history. one of the things that's interesting to remember is that for southerners, abe lincoln's biggest sin wasn't that he wanted to free the slaves, it's that he was he was a darwinist and he believed in the theory of evolution and not necessarily that the bible was the divine word of god. that was the original sin for abe lincoln and for a lot of northerners that southern poll advertises and the southern heck threat has had for a long time. it's why we have seen society build their society around bible listen really ism. politicians sent from southern states to washington, d.c. year after year after year, the grid lock we're seeing in d.c. right now is nothing new. it's been the go-to strategy have southern politicians since before the civil war. >> you bring up politics and there are serious issues with our politics here.

i want you to talk about how in your book, you look at the southern congress people going to washington, complains about washington and essentially passing policies that force the north in many cases to subsidize the south. tell us about that. >> there are statistics all over the place that will show you have been quoted everywhere. the southern states, as far as them sucking out of the public trough, the public states, every one of them with the exception of florida takes more in federal funds than its taxpayers pay in federal taxes each year. they'll get states like mississippi, alabama, tennessee, will for every dollar that their citizens put into the federal coffers, those states w we have $1.20, $1.40 back on their investments. states in the north get 91 cents

back on every dollar their citizens pay. new yorkers get in the line of 68 cents to 70 cents back. this is to generally sub subside programs like medicare that the south claim they hate but gobble up disproportionately. >> here we find ourselves rolling our eyes at the latest anti abortion bill or anti voting allow. paula deen among georgia republicans has better approval ratings than dr. martin luther king. do we take a poll like this seriously? >> yes. >> what do you think it means? >> specifically for paula deen, she kind of represents this pinnacle of what a lot of

contemporary southerners want to feel is the new south, which is somebody who brings all the old school genteel manners and refinement and all this sort of stuff and brings with it a comp temporary viewpoint makes it so that they don't to have apologize for that, you know, slave day flag that they love to wave around all the time. it's a very, i would take that poll very seriously. i've been accused with this book of cherry picking among the kind of mouth breathers and rednecks sitting on their old battered porches, sipping moonshine out of their ceramic judges. in this book, i talked to community leaders, business leaders, entrepreneurs, elected officials, entertainers, students. these people down the line give that you same sort of very conservative, southern

patriotic, i'm a southerner first and an american second five story. i found that to be very common place. really, the idea behind this book isn't that southerners are bad or necessarily wrong or evil. it's just that the two societies are really setting themselves up in fundamentally different ways. when one part of the country focuses on keeping its churches strong and its schools weak and the other part of the country understands the need to fund things like public education, understands that you don't take bible litterrallism seriously and try to apply that to u.s. law, you have the equivalent of a bad marriage that just needs to end in order to save the kids from turning into the same dysfunctional a holes as the parents. that's the north and south right now. >> let me give you a complement as somebody who has written a book. your book is both entertaining and really serious.

there's a really serious argument right there in your book. it's a really important book. thank you for being in the war room. >> coming up, forget the south, one person who we for sure know is bringing the rest of us down is brett erlich. no, i'm just kidding. the resident funny guy in the war room is up next. you're in the war room and we'll be right back. >> "viewpoint" digs deep into the issues of the day. >> do you think there is any chance we'll ever hear the president even say the word "carbon tax"? >> with an opened mind... >> has the time finally come for real immigration reform? >> ...and a distinctly satirical point of view. leadership so i want to talk about donald rumsfeld. >> (laughter) >> cutting throught the clutter of today's top stories. >> this is the savior of the republican party? i mean really? >> ... with a unique perspective. >> teddy rosevelt was a weak asmatic kid who never played sports until he was a grown up. >> (laughter) >> ... and lots of fancy buzz words. >> family values, speding, liberty, economic freedom, hard-working moms, crushing debt, cute little puppies.

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you know who is coming on to me now? you know the kind of guys that do reverse mortgage commercials? those types are coming on to me all the time now. (vo) she gets the comedians laughing and the thinkers thinking. >>ok, so there's wiggle room in the ten commandments, that's what you're saying. you would rather deal with ahmadinejad than me. >>absolutely. >> and so would mitt romney. (vo) she's joy behar. >>and the best part is that current will let me say anything. what the hell were they thinking? >> welcome back to the war room. i'm david sirota. one of the best parts of guest

hotting this show is working with intelligent and insightful guests, our last guess is no different. his work has been praised by -- wait a minute, i'm sorry, it's just brett erlich. i'm told i have to give you a hard time. we love what you do. tell us the latest. >> that is the proper way to handle me and i appreciate it. i was trying to keep a straight face. that that was amazing. there's a lot to go through. honestly, i'm down, because a lot of people are hating on hillary clinton right now. she isn't even running for president and already there have been preemptive strikes against her. rice previs sounded off, say that go how dare cnn and nbc news green light documentaries about hillary clinton. he then said that the r.n.c. may boycott the network for debate

season. she tried to take him on for that and they debated for a while. still up for debate is whether rice previs is an actual name, as well. for those people really mad at hillary clinton, there is a place to take it out. if you're frustrated and want a healthy place to get rid of that anger, there is a place called the hillaryproject.com, the hillary project or t.h. put together anti hillary games. here is the first one of them. >> i have never used an ethnic racial, anti semitic bigoted accusation against anybody. i've never done it. i've never thought it. >> isn't that mature? >> the question i have with all of this hillary stuff is it's become a cottage industry. will it ever end or is this the

most reliable investment that a political party can make in terms of making money, hanging hey, the anti hillary hilaria never ends. >> you have to know about it first. you don't have to do too much teaching. that game came out in 2000. it was made by one of the animation producers on beavis and butthead. if you want more, here is that second game, dance hillary. ♪ ♪ [ laughter ] ♪ >> it's delightful. i for one am not quite sure how this would get you to dislike

hillary clinton. >> that was my point. i watch that and actually want to play that game. >> it's a fully interactive experience. there is seven different dance moves, one of them, she kind of makes a yipee sound and there's five customizable dance floor options, including lights, disco ball, music and kind of the outline of people in the background. it is quite awesome. >> here is something to consider, if hillary clinton is elected president, it's probably what, 10, 11 more years at least of this cottage industry continuing to be around and continuing to grow. brett, as always, thanks for joining us right here in the war room and have a great night. remember, "the young turks" are next. i'm david sirota. thanks for joining us here. thanks for enduring me guest hosting while michael shure is on vacation. "the young turks" are next. see you tomorrow.

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♪ theme cenk: welcome to "the young turks," everybody. we've got a special show for you tonight. boy, what a panel. so, in-house right here, former governor of new mexico, two term governor gary johnson, former libertarian candidate for president in 2012. great to have you in studio. >> great to be with you. >> jayar jackson is here with us as always in the studio and then congressman alan grayson from the great state of florida. he's from the good