as you all know. who is us and those of. us the others those who are excluded we struggle to integrate is not like we haven't really tried we've tried to open the doors to get in but we've always been pushed back once you accept that you're going to be on the outside the problems start you start seeing more clearly and discovering the system behind it but how to fight this monster of a system was so small i'm going to go for what i'm doing but yeah a system. maybe with the help of religion. religion is god and god is above the system it's. about. the debt load. no sense and i was in prison because i was accused of a murder and i didn't commit. myself to not use it they're innocent but convicted

even though you haven't done anything. i don't want to steal from but i am. certainly the only ray of hope i saw was religion you think why not become god's soldier and go into battle against the system but the real story you need if you i already had children but i no longer wanted to see them. to suffer so it's good to make a movie i was afraid i would lose my vision or become too sensitive because of the . god that was all there was for me. one day my sister came to visit me in prison even though i didn't want her to she showed me pictures of my children and said they haven't done anything to you they haven't chosen to follow a religion they feel nothing but love for you. who can i work. for but the moment

they got that is it gives me think about it. later i was meditating in my cell and suddenly i saw images of joy the joy of life that's when i realized that my love for my children was far greater than the voice in me that told me to fight a system. that was all are you now in touch with your children oh. yes and i have contact with all children i work with children from these neighborhoods here. i teach them discipline and i try to find the key to strengthen them in their vision of life. to get a real sense that jeremy's life is shaped by extremes now he advocates the ideals

of love and he gets through to young people thanks to his convincing manner but how far would he have been willing to go during the days he felt hatred. for wal-mart when i hear soldier of god it scares me. of course it's scary i was consumed by hatred i was in a hole you can't fall deeper than prison beyond that there's only death as soon as you cut off the life inside of yourself you become one of the living dead. you no longer have emotions you just have to do needs to be done. see. the state of the young. meaning if you have to sacrifice yourself you have to sacrifice yourself so the system understands that it doesn't have any power over you and that there is only god back then i would have done that that means people like me could have become victims of your attacks even though we're innocent there was that for

tony but i was innocent too. and that justifies killing people. no it doesn't justify it but once you've cut yourself off from life you don't see people anymore just the system you have to put yourself in their place to understand it otherwise you can't understand this hatred if you've not lived the life of a homeless person and you've never felt excluded you won't understand that you could be an expert in philosophy and education but it wouldn't help. you quit the more you know it is going to you cannot shatter children as dreamers if you at that age they still believe what they're told on television as best you feel but as it is the government starts low level i think. but then they grow up. and they even want you and when injustice strikes if you talk to them ten twenty

years later they're no longer the same. so see the adored is also see it's up to adults to recognise that and restore their dreams until they've grown up. so i mean that's because he is a plan that some point these young people will no longer comply with the system of the. monsters are created not born in a. set of. the civil war was.

in contrast to germany france maintains a strict separation of church and state the principle of secularism is meant to give all people religious freedom there are no statistics about religious affiliation there's no religious education at state schools and rang religious symbols in public is against the law. that means veils are forbidden as a result some muslims feel their religious freedom is being infringed. we want to meet a former grand mufti so hey ben cheikh we're about to find out whether the deeply

religious ben cheikh will debate with hamad so he was born in saudi arabia seven of his uncles were the moms and his father was also an islamic scholar i'm interested in why he's convinced that secularism doesn't prevent muslims from practicing their faith movement is even sick but it's he's our fault then as an athenian insulting. oh oh oh he let let's talk about islam and friends of holes is there a french islam falls. over not really this new french's long book that will come. it's almost obligatory it's because islam doesn't exist in a bubble you always have to see it within the context of the culture within which it exists because given control why is islam compatible with europe. there are people who claim the opposite. when impact as well you don't have

a choice it doesn't matter whether you're a citizen or whether you're just living here of course everyone has signed the contract of secularism in france because i'm concerned that extremists are using secularism as a trojan horse to benefit from it as a minority it's secularism gives them the same standing as the catholicism that fundamentally shaped france's history yet it's a big band in muslim countries and those countries minorities such as christians jews and those without a religion aren't given the same rights as muslims so those who are ideologically opposed to secularism might and even know what it means when if there was no secularism in france only democracy meaning the will of the majority then the constitutional principle of secularism wouldn't exist because it would be kept off if you saw in that kid i see today we wouldn't be here anymore we'd have fallen

silent it's secularism this allows me to talk about my religion you see that was. what always a part of it about which but there's no strict secularism in germany. you have freedom of religion the neutrality of the state with regard to religious denominations that means it doesn't matter if you have a faith or not. there's a tacit separation between church and state so it's secular without germany calling it that. for you. so don't you know. i'm not making this film alone. i'm making it with handmade abdel some odd. have you heard of him yes i have is he here. he's not far from here i'll call him if you're ok with that call him i know he had dental files himself as an atheist i'll call him i really want to meet him great then the three of us can talk.

i don't agree with him but i do anything to ensure he exists and that is voice be heard i know that his opinions have caused debates online it was only thanks to the intervention of printing this in the fifteenth century people were able to liberate themselves from the dogmas of the catholic church and. the loss of colossal you would like to see the memory of. the same thing is now happening through the internet. only much faster and more intensely. you can't hide the frightening bits of scripture in islam that freely accessible to everyone one museum or if it's some kind of some to expose your two months i don't want to well you can say that i miss how often you have been. i don't want you. to start all over. again if you will mark i don't

always agree with your methods but i agree with your goal in my view your style is sometimes too provocative. look you know you can and i mean but i'll do anything i can to ensure your voice exists because you started an important discussion can you. may come up with a specific didn't you how do you explain that there are muslims who threatened with death. just simply because he criticizes islam so it's. just so. what the people who wish for his death do is justify his position. so this new. term in his death would prove him right. to have a. strange praise indeed when. your work is important to. teach us because our scriptures are sacred they don't allow any critical voice

that's pathological deadly you wish death upon others those who avoid dialogue and confrontation are consumed by doubts deep within. that they're muslims all muslims should try to take a detached view of their religion. right now i think of it this time so that anyone . that's exactly what i did i took a few steps back and looked at the whole thing from the outside i saw how rigid it all was they say it's the world i use a sort of shock therapy to show that it's not the world that the prophet isn't the holiest thing to have ever existed so zog and us escape missed this is this. that the qur'an isn't the best book to have ever been written as this this is the move this is this is and it's a book by many people. as

a historical character with flaws and vices and all of that that's what triggers this reaction. house after that some people start to think others become aggressive but we can't just leave it as it is. that doesn't mean anything was the conclusion we can draw here with him as a devout muslim and you as an xmas long i don't like the term x. muslim how would you describe yourself he doesn't like x. muslim no muslim is that or. that's ok. the conclusion we can just write. is that mr ben cheikh as a practicing religious muslim and you as opposed to muslims share something. i met. and that's the premise ability of doubt and the fight

against radicalization. and we agree on secularism. this. that's a. that's a good foundation. is that you know. how many doesn't force anyone to be an atheist or to be non-religious he just talks nobody should be allowed to force their beliefs on someone else. to do it if that's your common denominator. even though you are religious and hunted isn't anymore. after listening to him i'm not so sure. yes he will call it was a vocal. and i sort of to my set myself. here then we were in france the country a volt it was so critical of the church and religion. supposed these thinkers

hadn't been so courageous in taking on religion etc they didn't destroy religion or christianity but they brought about the separation of church and state. when we achieve this goal in islam namely that religion and freedom are neutrally exclusive that religion and democracy aren't mutually exclusive then critics like me will no longer be needed there's no point in mild or gentle criticism of islam is how i used to work in construction some people are given the job is tearing down old buildings and others are there to put a new ones in the place i belong to the wrecking crew. has been see the. oh it was.

the golden age of andalusia for seven hundred years islam was the dominant political religious social and cultural force in this part of europe it said that muslims jews and christians live cheer and harmony with each other. quite impressive so the arabs have better buildings in the turks so i don't know why you always do this church bashing it hurts me. that's great now your affected jew. is off this place represents hope i'm not thinking of this utopia of jews christians and muslims living in peace and so on i'm thinking about the idea of creating something together and being curious and for us all shuffle. exercise

i was mostly when muslims were open minded and curious when they translated the works of the greeks they translated huge amounts of feeling when philosophy knowledge and chemistry were as important as religion and identity they achieved so much. and that's what's missing in the islamic world today. does islam belong to europe it's a historical fact that islam was deeply rooted in this part of spain for centuries . how do muslims with spanish roots live. during my research i read that spaniards in granada. in particular have adopted the muslim faith how are they different to muslims who grew up outside of europe. what i noticed right away was the manner in which the women wear their headscarves

the muslim women were predominantly young and fashion conscious almost stylish. the community which is celebrating the highest islamic festival the sacrifice feast is part of the mood a bit too in world movement and islamic movement founded by a scottish actor in the one nine hundred seventy s. how do they manage to reconcile the divine order with european values. by meeting basheer custom now to find out. he's an e-mail and director of the granada mosque foundation. in your bus you write yes now i looked in the eye for you nice to meet you welcome to another thank you it was not hard to find the mosque because i still really would be here grade in very grand mosque like it's presented in the newspaper but it's very discreet and very old actually all the building has to go with the rest of the houses of the

neighborhood so it has to be discreet but it is big and significance it's the first mosque built by spanish muslims after five centers so who is coming to the mosque actually i mean what kind of muslims are these all kinds really it's an open mosque of course and it's an open place of worship and prayer and so all muslims are welcome. mainly the muslims living in other which are partly spanish muslims and partly in the grounds mainly from morocco in north africa during i'm going to cause we have many many visitors because of the location you've seen the views that we have here that's credible view so from yeah we're looking into the islamic heritage of a little with rightly i like to say this is a past of islam in a londoners and this is the present for seventy five nineteen seventy five there were no muslims in spain whatsoever it was only after the death of franco general

franco that muslims started to come to spain and spanish people started to embrace islam is there a possibility of european islam of course there is there is already european islam . i think and i am a proof of european islam on there are many many like me i'm already second generation my children or third generation of european muslims i think muslims in europe need a strong european muslim identity european un muslim some people find it very difficult. to have to unite these two things so they think you are either european which means you have to eat or can go to parties have sex with as many girls as you can otherwise you have to be a muslim go a long beard go to the mosque every day have a nice. heart in your head and just be very pious and pray a lot i think you can combine the two things without going to an extreme. you can have a good relation with your god believe in your god pray every day be

a good muslim and of the same time you don't have to betray your culture i read spanish writers i watch spanish cinema and and i go to theater with my kids to choose his buddies plays as you maybe know i'm doing is measuring up on our own bad guys will have a customer i just want to know why he couldn't be here actually if there was me we tried to be very open this is this is not the thing you know the thing is to criticize islam to be honest is not acceptable for us if someone criticizes islam we would do not accept it because we believe it's it's the last form of worship that god revealed to the human beings you can criticize muslims or actions of the muslims or way of life or a way of understanding islam which we even criticize we muslims say these particular people have a wrong understanding of islam they have a wrong understanding or of doing things in their way the prophet you wanted them

to do it. you can we can accept these kind of critics but not to criticize someone criticize islam. such. so he's allowed to criticize other muslims for their stance and incorrect interpretations but nobody is allowed to criticize him for what might be is incorrect interpretations i think in his view he's not interpreting the religion incorrectly because he's convinced he has the true religion in his heart and you have i told him you have sympathies toward sufism and that you emphasize the spiritual component a lot of what is it really confident or they have a twin sister i missed us that out that's the sad thing is that the spiritual people we place our hopes in are closed off and not really open to dialogue. often if this is if i can use encounters for their own propaganda and they prefer not to talk and that's sad. this is the hour.

so that's it have we become wiser how mad i feel i have. this just from what do you think. i kept hearing the phrase the true islamic i can't say what the true islam is to me it's just words. what's a good muslim how often did we ask back question is it someone who prays five times a day if it's not just the fundamentalists who say that ordinary muslims use the phrase is good muslim and the true islam. a good muslim true islam they're not liberating themselves from these expressions that's the problem that's

why i still don't believe islam can be reformed but i do believe many muslims can become a months of pated i believe in change in whole. this change will take place with very few victims but then again let's start. with i ask myself how reform of islam could even happen would that require a muslim marching nota the thing that needs changing is the attitude to religion that brings us back to the people i meant a person cannot reform god or his word but a person can change their attitude to the scriptures and i think it's important to permit doubt. how can these doubts be accepted if critics are permitted from the outset once when i am convinced that colonised by i know eyewitness that they should make peace with their critics everyone should talk first just yes quiets criticism must be allowed you don't have to agree but you have to be able to

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this is news coming to you live from berlin austria shifts to the right the young head of the conservative party sebastian cortes looks set to become the country's next leader after sunday's election he did it by embracing the policies of the far right where does this leave the rest of europe also coming up germany's social democrats be chancellor merkel's party into second place in a key regional action the result could weaken merkel's hand ahead of national coalition start to set this week. and the clock is ticking and catalonia its leader has been told he must clarify today whether or not he plans to push ahead with independence spain's prime minister says there will be consequences if he does not back down. and one of the talking points from the weekend's bonus league action

was the berlin team's simple act of kneeling wasn't support for american athletes doing likewise for blatant headline grabbing. hello i'm terry martin good to have you with us he promised to shake up austrian politics and he appears to have done just that thirty one year old sebastian cortes is on track to become the country's next leader near final results from sunday's election put his conservative people's party in first place but also claiming victory is the far right freedom party once shunned as too radical by europe they could now play kingmaker in austria's new government. they call him ven divert see the whiz kid at thirty one the conservative sebastian cortes becomes europe's

youngest head of government promising a new kind of politics. today we have a strong mandate to change this country and i thank you for making that possible. the far right freedom party led by hans christian strata achieved close to the best results in its history and looks most likely to form a coalition with the conservatives both parties that campaigned against immigration and islamic the will for change in austria is widespread and strong a series of scandals hammered the social democrats of outgoing chancellor christian can he's now facing a spell in opposition. it's about defending modern diverse and democratic austria that will be needed more than ever in the next five years. yet another surprise came for the greens their vote fell by nearly two thirds

making even their presence in the next parliament uncertain. wrangling over the shape of the next coalition can now begin the far rights likely return to governments in wealthy austria will worry a european union already unsettled by brics it and rising extremism. correspondent mark hoffman has been covering those elections for us and joins us now from vienna max the conservatives don't have the majority to govern alone is it clear that they're going to paul a coalition with the right wing freedom party. sébastien courts on sunday night repeatedly said that there are a number of options and mathematically there are there is a number of options but if you look at realistically that it changes because of course one of the options would be the grand coalition not coats and self really ended that coalition before it even officially and it and it seems to be the option

that austrians favor the least only fourteen percent of austrians want that to continue then of course you would have the option of the social democrats on the left in the freedom party on the far right to form a coalition but that seems highly unlikely because their programs don't really go together at all so that really leaves the only simple coalition being a right wing coalition between the austrian people's party of quotes and of course the freedom party to their right and experts agree here this is going going to happen most likely. in courts is the man of the hour max he spoke to the media after the result let's listen to what he had to say. and i won't change my policy regarding the refugee issue but i will always remain a pro european and helped to shape your us to this result gives us the possibility to do this even more powerfully than in the past and i already look forward to cooperating with the german chancellor and her team. given sebastian coaches hardline stance against migration how does he hope to work

with the german chancellor especially if he is in a coalition with the far right. they didn't have that much to do with each other in the last years because of us and quotes was foreign minister and of course i'm going to america is head of state head of government in germany but word has it that he she wasn't too thrilled when sébastien courts sat together with the foreign ministers of other countries to close the western balkans route to stop the migration flow from syria across the western balkan states to germany but i'm going to tackle has worked together with a number of leaders over the year including leaders like donald trump the recent may so most people would expect that she will find a way to effectively work together with the courts as well. let's look at the bigger picture here in you spend most of your time in brussels you cover lots of european elections what does this austrian election tell us about europe's political trajectory it basically tells us what you find in

a lot of countries in europe that you have those who embrace tolerance openness migration a globalized economy digitalized economy and then you have those who don't who are afraid of what's coming who are afraid to lose their cultural european or national identities who feel that they might be left behind and that is the big challenge that the european union is facing because those looking well backwards are some you know are symbolized by countries like hungary like poland and to an extent now also by austria those forward looking are probably symbolized to an extent by germany and even also france they will have to bridge that divide somehow because first of all they need to make sure they meet the suit those fears and on the second hand they need to embrace the future and what's coming with the digitalized economy and that's what that that's what they have to face this challenge solve it somehow max

thank you so much say that he's back talking on their reporting from vienna thanks for your insights. and later in the program we'll be talking with an austrian political analyst for more on the election result and what it means for europe well here in germany chancellor angela merkel's conservatives have taken a drubbing in a key regional election the vote in germany's second largest state lower saxony saw her c.d.u. lose to the social democrats the result is good news for michael's former coalition partners who did poorly in last month's federal election. so there you are the social democrats haven't forgotten how to party just three weeks after their worst election results in modern german history the s.p.d. us back coming out as the strongest party in lower saxony for the first time in nearly twenty years. as a fitting you know this is a great evening for the s.p.d. in lower saxony and for me many thanks to the voters but also to my party members

who fought passionately he lied and it came to. it's a remarkable turnaround in the summer of the s.p.d. was far behind in polling the victory in lower saxony was badly needed after party leader martin schulz his historic defeat in the bonus talk elections. i think you know sing in austin and what the social democrats achieved in lower saxony is unique in the history of election campaigns in germany and we're not only thankful but we're also very proud and very happy about this great success i think in the. close enough or pretty is pretty bleak candidate bound altus mounted his conservative c.d.u. party last two percent scoring their lowest results in almost twenty years. he said that to me or not to english as rationally i would have wished for a better result for the c.d.u. party in lower saxony. but let me be absolutely clear about this we do not have to

be ashamed about tonight's results misson via hopes. the result weakens chancellor merkel who is facing a difficult time at the negotiating table. another party got a big bump out of the results the far right don't turn it for germany won seats in the regional parliament for the first time that means it's now represented in fourteen federal states of germany. more on this election result i'm joined by did obvious hans but how does this election. lower saxony has implications for our chancellor merkel's efforts to form a new government tell us about that well the first implication is that these new coalition talks for a new coalition can starts now because they have been put on hold for the last three weeks since the general election because of this election and actually everybody all the parties involved wanted to wait and see how well or badly they did in that election in lower saxony it's not turned out that are. conservatives

the christian democrats have not done well there that will in some sense weaken her hand in the coalition talks here in berlin for the central government on the other hand the other two parties involved initially at least the greens and the free democrats the greens lost quite significantly in lower saxony. but still will feel that they are back both there and in the central government and the free democrats it's a fairly neutral result for them so i think in the end the conservatives. who will be somewhat weakened in these talks ok so a bit of a dent there for chancellor merkel c.d.u. now that the far right a d. they were in the selection they managed to get into the parliament in lower saxony for the first time in this election what does that strong showing in this western german state say about germany's political landscape well in fact it's the fourteenth election regional and central government election central parliament

elections that the f.t. has been successful has gotten into parliament where it was not represented before hand so for them it's really a streak of success one has to say that they did less well than they have done elsewhere because they're the party is particularly characterized by infighting but for them it is a success and it will also give them a push in central government in the sense of parliament here in germany ok the social democrats came out on top in this election they haven't been doing very well over the past couple of years in germany they perform rather. early in the federal election last month the state election must be a welcome relief for them and this is a huge relief they're very joyful as we just saw in the report and it's a victory the kind of which they haven't had for years and especially in this year they have all they've lost the last three regional and central elections so for them it's really something that will give them a new push and especially important for martin shows the party leader who can all

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