this is d w news law from birth lead defying donald trump over one hundred countries vote in favor of a u.n. resolution calling for the united states to reverse its recognition of jerusalem as israel's capital that despite trump's threats to cut off funding to countries that

oppose him we will have reaction from our correspondents in washington and jerusalem also coming up catalonia as crucial election leaders of the main regional parties have cast their ballots in a vote that is testing the region's appetite for independence and no evidence of links to terror groups and police say that a tribe or intentionally crashed his car into pedestrians in melbourne but his motive remains unclear. plus the face of a childhood that no child should have to endure five year old zahra is a syrian girl and a refugee this image of her has just been named unicef's photo of the year in a competition dominated by the migration crisis. i'm sara kelly welcome to the program. thanks for joining us the united nations

general assembly has overwhelmingly passed a resolution asking the united states to withdraw its decision to recognized as the capital of israel at an emergency session on thursday one hundred twenty eight of the one hundred ninety three member states voted in favor of the motion with only eight countries voting with the united states now that is despite a threat by u.s. president donald trump to cut u.s. funding to countries that backed the measure palestinian president mahmoud abbas hailed the decision as a victory for his people. let's get the reaction now from washington we have our correspondent carson phenomenon and our correspondent in israel tanya kramer is also standing by welcome to both of you and carson i'd like to begin with you this is largely been seen as a symbolic vote what are the likely implications. well first of all this is a devastating diplomatic defeat for the united states as you said only eight

countries voted with the americans and written twenty eight's against them and for this resolution including important allies such as britain france and germany so look quite sure if it was very smart of the united states to turn this into such a big issue after all as you said it was a symbolic vote has no concrete consequences for anyone. by trying to bully so many countries and failing to do that to vote with the americans it looks like a failure. nikki haley said she would take names of those countries voting for this resolution i hope she brought a big piece of paper because the list is quite long and let's talk a little bit more about you know the rhetoric the strong rhetoric that has come out here because it's not only nikki haley that we have heard from prime minister

benjamin netanyahu also having some strong words for the united nations i just want to listen in to that and then get your reaction there after. the me attitude towards israel of many countries on all continents is changing outside the walls of the united nations. and that change will ultimately permeate into the u.n. the house of lies the state of israel totally rejects this vote even before the resolutions approval jerusalem is our capital and we will continue to build there and foreign embassies led by the united states will move to jerusalem write down what i said because even though happening. and with that tongue and like to turn to you why do you think netanyahu is choosing to pour oil on this fire with such strong words there what is he hoping to gain. well i was kind of a preemptive rejection of what was expected to pass and his words were also i could

then they turned the u.n. general assembly by the acid is was invested into the u.n. and not saying that you know it was shameful that he had to stand in and giving that speech and that the resolution would land in the trash bin later on some very strong words to get out he just chose a difficult position you know it's one has with the united nations although you have to remind us of that this is a pressure vessel lucian that just reaffirms again you know longstanding u.n. position on the juice of them so netanyahu has even just pushed it further because he continues to say that he expects other countries to follow the u.s. but also coming in opening and this is introducing them so he's not really backing down and he doesn't you know he's very impressed by all the criticism in the united states also not backing down and carson you mentioned earlier on what the u.s. ambassador to the united nations had to say and i just want to listen to that in

her own words and then get your reaction the united states will remember this day in which it was singled out for attack in the general assembly for the very act of exercising our right as a sovereign nation we will remember it when we are called upon to once again make the world's largest contribution to the united nations and we will remember when so many countries come calling on us as they so often do to pay even more and to use our influence for their benefit but this vote will make a difference on how americans look at the u.n. and on how we look at countries who disrespect us in the u.n. and this will be remembered thank you. carsten turning to you now in washington that sounds like a threat and you know it could be one that pulls the purse strings for other countries fair assessment sure i'm in effect of

course the vote was one hundred twenty eight to nine but there were dozens of countries who abstained and didn't even show up some of those allies like canada or australia but also some smaller countries who more or less depend on american support so those threats. had some effect i guess but even those countries did not follow the u.s. lead and vote with the united states against this resolution i just don't understand why the americans making this a question of disrespect for them of course the u.s. has the rights to decide except jerusalem as the capital of israel remove the embassy there but other countries also have the rights to disagree and criticize such a move and also it's an empty threat because many of the countries that get aid from the united states don't get this because the united states so nice in this respect they're nice to many other respects but here it's about american national interests

when they support jordan turkey iraq egypt and so on and so simply this is a misguided act to try to make this into such a big issue when they didn't have to time you know where is this likely to leave israel for example and i'm not just talking about you now israel's international policy but i'm also talking about you know international policy toward israel from other countries. well i mean it was expected that this is lucia. but the israeli officials here will most likely do right now they're very closely at the abstentions because there was a big movement then and they really say that they're not being and also possibly the u.s. france might have worked somehow in their favor from a point of human is right and what reactions you get you know also on that decision on jerusalem it doesn't really matter all this criticism that is what we understand

here and this resolution is nonbinding and it's very interesting to have called it you know a publicity stunt by the does he need to send some international point of view that might be diplomatic just shows that it might just isolate israel and the u.s. for them but what does it change on the ground that is into italy different maps carson you are on the ground there in washington and i want to ask you because you have a very close eye on the pulse there in the united states what's behind all of this when it comes to transcend gender with regard to israel is this bigger than that jerusalem is your issue. well it's definitely motivated at least partly by domestic concerns and donald trump is typical fresh has been playing to his home crowd his home base and of course his defiance and saying that america will not be used in this way it will not we will not allow others to take advantage of america that goes down well with his base and that is

his main concern and not so much if this cause of irritation with his allies but it might be a mistake because if the americans follow through on their threats this could mean that others like china and russia could fill the boards. and phenomena with the very latest from washington and tanya kramer standing by in jerusalem thank you to both of you. let's turn now to some other news because voters in catalonia are casting their ballots in an election seen as a gauge of support for independence from spain the poll comes two months after the region declared independence following a referendum opposed by so madrid now spanish authorities responded to that with a crackdown arresting separatist leaders and calling today's snap election madrid hopes that it will put an end to the political crisis. lera son show is casting a ballot for the first time exercising her right to choose between spanish

separatists and unionists in a tight contest but the eighteen year old isn't just casting her own vote. she's just voted on behalf of the former council on president callus pitch demand who is in self-imposed exile in belgium. he thanked me and he looked as though he was very proud that someone young like me would do this it was important to him in. the election could return the pro independence leader to power he was deposed by madrid following catalonia as for random on secession and the union lotro declaration of independence in october pushed him on has rallied supporters from brussels but also noted the normal circumstances of the election there are candidates in prison candidates an exile there is fear spanish institutions are intervening the governing people's party have taken over our institutions its economic war all of this shows that we are not in a normal situation what we have to hope for at the end of today is that will

reestablish normality. back in barcelona one of the month's biggest rivals in s. are images says the pro-union party also wants to see the region's normality restored the crisis over cuts known independence has seen spain's economy damaged and also prompted a business exodus away from catalonia is going to last and i hope during these elections we can achieve historic participation we are probably facing an election that is essential to our coexistence essential to the reconciliation of all cats in lands. that passes that i don't think that they're going to go and ask about it. but at this point cousins are divided. on it i think all that has happened has given more strength to the independence movement and they are going to end up winning. but i hope that we get a coalition of prosperity constitution parties that works and it's really democratic and not pro independence. it's

a vote that could determine catalonia future direction but the division among the public suggests that the crisis over the region will not and at the drop of a hat a ballot. and it obviously still the west is standing by with the very latest from barcelona now so lisa as we've seen a tense backdrop to this election how has the turnout been so far today. well the latest figures we have are from six o'clock this afternoon this evening and they're about sixty eight percent that's five percent higher than in twenty fifteen and if that trend continues it would could mean that the overall turnout will be well in the eighty's and that would be a record turnout for catalonia that only shows to what extent this election has been an emotional election not dominate dominated by political things along the political lines but by one issue independents catalonia the catalonian population is split into two parts those who supported independence and those who oppose it

and obviously everybody is flocking to the polling stations hoping that they will be able to put an end to this part of the political crisis here and catalonia and as you gauge the mood there elise i mean what do you make of that because madrid also voicing the fact that it is hoping that you know this election will help to bridge that divide that you mention between the separatists and the unionists does it seem realistic well there is a lot of stake here indeed but when you look at what the polls are saying it looks very unlikely that either camp will get a majority if they do nevertheless it might be a very shaky government that we will see because each block is made of a part made up of parties that are on the opposite side of the political spectrum so it remains to be seen if they will be able to get along with each other or even appoint a common leader many people here but also experts actually already saying they

expect a second or third round of voting. meantime the eyes of brussels eyes from all over the european union are looking closely at this election there is still much at stake as well in that regard just filesystem. yes obviously the e.u. is hoping that this political crisis will just go away that catalonia will stay within spain because there are many countries in europe for example france which have a region that would like to separate from the main country in spain it's corsica for example so the e.u. does not have any interest at all it all in split in in the countries splitting up into little italy regions because it's it'll be very much a lot more difficult to govern that and to speak in a common voice really say the e.u. so just hoping that the no two independents will win that things will calm down and that will give them as a common body for all these states more strength really lisa lewis standing by with

the very latest from barcelona where voting is underway as we mentioned voting actually wrapping up you will also be live with us later with the results as they come in we thank you very much for your reporting. let's turn now to some other news because police in australia have said that they have found no evidence of a terrorist link in a car ramming incident in melbourne or at least one thousand people were injured several seriously the driver and a second man were taken into custody right after the incident during the city's afternoon rush hour. a tragedy in the center of melbourne a white s.u.v. went through a red light and sped up to hit pedestrians before crashing into a barrier the driver was arrested after a struggle with an off duty police officer starts he say he's a thirty two year old australian citizen of afghan descent with a history of assault and drug use. we understand as i

should this still is very early days that he is on a mental health plan and receiving treatment for a mental illness at this time we don't have any evidence for intelligence to indicate a connection with terrorism. a second man was also detained he was seen filming the incident and was carrying a bag of knives police now think he wasn't involved more than a dozen people were injured many have been taken to hospital including a toddler with serious head injuries the collision happened at the busy flinders street and elizabeth street junction outside the central train station just after four thirty pm local time the area was packed with commuters and shop was just a few days before christmas melbourne has been on high alert since six people died in january after a man drove a car into a crowd in a nearby spot people are devastated that the city has been targeted yet again.

in germany former chancellor gerhard schroeder says that his s.p.d. party should quickly agree terms with chancellor angela merkel's conservatives to form a new government he made the comments in an exclusive interview with t w news and public broadcaster m d r schroeder who was recently elected chairman of the russian state controlled oil giant rosneft also defended the controversial german russian pipeline project north stream to. i believe that any future government will see this project as a good business and will support it just as the current chancellor and the current foreign minister do i have no worries on that score. don't you see the danger that because of this power vacuum in berlin interests in brussels are of course that could be the case that's why i'm one of those who say let's get

a move on let's act as soon as possible. what's your advice to your party a new coalition or loose corporation dramatics and get on with a grand coalition what else do you think that in future governments in germany will always take so long to for. it's difficult this is the first time that we've got a six party parliament two of those parties are not seen as potential coalition partners in fact they aren't capable of being in a coalition with the left on the one hand and the f.t. on the other that's why it will become more difficult so i'm telling my party very frankly there's no way round it you have to take on this responsibility but you have to convince the party members that this is necessary and do it quickly. europe needs it europe needs a stable france which they've got in the form of macro and europe needs a stable germany with this in mind i believe the sensible thing to do is to form a government quickly and as things stand the only option is

a grand coalition that's what we should do and no one profits from new elections and no one profits from playing around with other ideas like case by case corporation or whatever that won't get us anywhere. between we're going to court over. the mix which cost the new government take on russia what do you advise there of. the corporation rather than confrontation that's the sensible way to go it with you on. we need the equivalent of a new policy of detente it's about time it's. i'm in favor of the step by step the removal of sanctions is dependent on how things go and donbass we should not always be talking about an escalation when there are prisoner exchanges when the heavy weapons are withdrawn verified and supervised by the appropriate people then we should go ahead and say ok we see there's goodwill and we want to reward this by

dismantling sanctions step by step. and by the way as the economic research institute tell us the sanctions do most damage to germany. and that was an exclusive interview with. our charter from. turning to what is happening now is here with us on the set it's the season to be jolly. not so if you're flying ryanair it's pilots based here in germany a walking off the job tomorrow morning for four hours the union accusing the airline of a public stand it had promised to recognize unions for the first time in company history to avert the strike but when it came to yesterday's talks ryanair pulled out of short notice rejecting two of the union officials taking pot. right here ahead michael o'leary will bend over backwards to make a buck and that mentality has helped to make ryan air force to be reckoned with and

the european market for the refining the ultra low cost model plane needed by us. o'leary cut ticket prices in favor of making money and baggage fees on board shopping and other secondary revenue streams. but that cost cutting obsession ran him a fall of many unions they objected to what they described as substandard pay poor working conditions and uncertain labor contracts. the result many pilots left ryanair and the airline recently announced it would be forced to cancel some twenty thousand flights through march of next year. to stave off a threatened strike in some european territories over the holidays ryanair management recently announced he would finally enter into talks with the unions but if we've got to make a change will make a change and in this case because it was christmas week it was within their control and were where we called the unions to to call off this action so people can take away all that uncertainty and get home for christmas but it seems that not everyone

was convinced my cool leary had really changed his tune germany's pilot union cockpit says they're calling for a four hour morning strike on ryanair flights in germany this friday or if they carry through with the threat it would be the first strike in ryanair history. and we've got the union spokesman here on. thanks for joining us so where did all go wrong can you give us some sort of explanation as to what happened to your campaign for union recognition at ryanair which you had just managed to clinch i thought. yeah that's what we thought as well but when we traveled to dublin yesterday and met the rhino officials we found out that the first thing they wanted to do is to decide and to dictate even with whom they want to and negotiate and with whom not they said two of our five big ocean team negotiation team members were not of their

liking so they said well those those two guys have to leave or the other one could stay and that's not how. they didn't like the look at them oh well basically. they said they are in a legal dispute with ryan air this is because they got fired one of them just because they he announced that he's part of the negotiation team ryanair fired him and then you they got into a legal conflict and they said we don't talk to people we do it we are an illegal conflict with ok must be a frustrating situation. yeah definitely it is because. this is us and for the right in a pile it actually is pretty bad hundreds of them leave ryan and they say well. they they hope for a better contracts in the future and they hope for for such basic things like a good holiday regulation like a good payment and it even those basic things ryan s.s.

well we don't put them into a contract so we're just not interested in discussing with them pilots really treated like janice's is some of them charge say that again they really treated like cleaning personnel as as some of the pilots actually accuse the airline. most of them actually are they even if they want to drink a bottle of water during the twelve day twelve hour day a working day they have to pay for this water and if they did that to stand up and say hey this can't be this can be the right way they get fired right away and this is definitely not the way that employers should treat his employee briefly tell me about the treatment of passengers you guys a coaling a strike at a very inconvenient time christmas yet it's that's

perfectly true however we are on purpose decided to limit the strike to four hours in the morning there will probably sixteen flights affected this is just to keep the consequences for the passengers as small as possible however of course if there is a pilot strike there will be played it's not flying in the us automatically affecting passengers we get that but there's no other choice again i'm just glad i'm taking a train and not a plane marcus thanks for coming on the show clear skies for a lift transit brussels has approved the german airlines partial takeover of abilene yet as lufthansa grows so do feel is it could become too dominant. lifton says so opportunity in the demise of its one time rival was. the fact ship carrier could take on new groups as well as the craft and employees to service them . it's originally proposed to take over this included two subsidiaries that plan

sparked e.u. concerns of a competition that responded last week with a more modest proposal dropping the purchase of austrian fly and nicky all together and instead of the original eighty one crawford it wanted to buy it would now buy just sixty a green light from brussels raises all the questions first among them who will buy the line nicky which remains insolvent there are already a number of interested bias including the original form a austrian racing car driver. yet another decision for a turbulent european airline market. a more business to come including a separatist movements cattle business. thanks so much dan we look forward to that but in the meantime you're watching news and still to come on this program this image of a five year old syrian refugee has just been named to unicef's photo of the year we

will hear from the photographer about the little girl that he simply can't forget. and steven spielberg's new drama the post is coming out this weekend tells the story of one of the biggest scandals in u.s. history we will give you all of the details in just a moment. all that more coming up in the next thirty minutes of the news i'm sarah kelly in berlin asleep in a few minutes. celestial be. spiritual messenger. it's where they come from. why are they depicted in human form.

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their bed to break away from spain the election was called after madrid declared october's a vote for independence illegal and arrested cattle and meters. so a moment of truth for the cattle lands but the moments long past for the business world and has more thank you sara with the latest failed bid to separate from spain has hit the nation's wealthiest region thousands of companies relocating their headquarters last count close to three thousand it worried about the legal uncertainty and you'll remember those huge demonstrations a bus alona well they kept many tourists away another big source of revenue. these street musicians in barcelona's old city are jamming in front of a sparse audience. december is the slow season anyway but the political crisis here is making matters worse since october the number of tourists has dropped almost twenty percent compared to a year ago. four years tourism has boomed in the popular mediterranean city

but recently business has taken a dive. the volume of hotel reservations has tumbled with luxury hotels taking the biggest hit. and with not only for the hotels are suffering the consequences they've reacted by offering discounts but with little success if we can fish for customers as much as we want if it doesn't help if there are no fish in the river has got there just aren't any customers now that's new for barcelona and it obviously has to do with the fact that tourists are afraid of coming here. to me and obvious. but the sense of katherina market is bustling with customers christmas season business is as good as every year according to the merchants here many catalogs consider the ominous business news an attempt by madrid to scare the public. but the fact

remains that many spanish consumers across the country refuse to buy cut along products and are considering an all out boycott. the conflict continues at the dinner table between bites of ham and catalan cheese. is a bit of a. yes it's true that we're sensitive it's got that and those that want independence would rather buy cattle on products and those on the other side you know what people buy products from other parts of spain but in the long run it doesn't make any sense at least not for gold maize and i'm going to get it and ditto. even the real estate market has been damaged by the political sledgehammer foreign investors would rather stay away from doing business in the catalogue capital. foreign customers have simply disappeared sixty five percent of them have left due to the instability here they don't want to buy in barcelona you know they would

rather invest somewhere else maybe in madrid or portugal or some other region. in. the political climate is poison for catalonia as business setting many companies have shelved plant investments executives doubt that the new elections alone can and the current crisis they urge both sides to seek dialogue in particular about a decentralization of spanish state power. a huge huge state of the art factory tens of thousands of jobs it would be jumping for joy but not when the pays so pathetic you've got to rely on financial support from mom and dad one pair of jeans after the other row upon row of selling machines this could easily be one of the traditional textile countries of asia but it's ethiopia one of the world's poorest nations this summer ethiopia's ambitious government opened an ultra modern industrial park with chinese help its aim to produce high quality textiles for the

european and american markets. for the past few months lemme see has been working for the epic group one of the textile producers here the twenty year old comes from the countryside and first to learn how a sewing machine works. and i'm not here because i have a job and no money but i'm also happy to be able to learn something new. things that. work six days a week nine hours a day but she in the other young women here earn just forty euros a month overtime is part of the deal unpaid of course. spent years working in the sri lankan textile industry now he's keen to get ethiopia ready for the massive global demand for clothing. cost. i would. saw in the garment industry.

and you can because the biggest part of. this being. that gives the skin and. the new seamstresses undergo a month long training period mainly in production techniques but they also learn about fabrics as well as what's expected of them in their new job. maybe there is a language barrier maybe. doing that this time they can not easily understand how can they see it even how. it's forecast that more than sixty thousand people will find work at the western industrial park by the end of two thousand and eighteen at the end of the working day. and her friends make their way home to a life very far from the modern world of work. is really tough for us here we don't make enough money to live on. and we often

have to go hungry. i sometimes wonder if i shouldn't just return to my village and help my parents maybe i find a better paid job there you. the young women don't want to leave ethiopia like many of their generation in africa they're hopeful that positive change is on its way in that country and perhaps the industrial park is a beginning even if. rely on it to secure a future. sara thank you so much ben going to turn now to germany because each year unicef in germany grants its photo of the year award to an outstanding image depicting the living conditions of children around the world this year's winner is a sad testament to the hundreds of thousands of children who are innocent victims of war displacement and exile. the bewilderment of war in the eyes of a child she's five years old and comes from syria mohammed was in took this picture

of zahra in a refugee camp in jordan in twenty fifteen czarist parents fled the war in syria with her and seven other children they have lived in a tent ever since every time i look at the picture i still go back to that moment i remember this traumatized she's so beautiful but the war is all over her face through her eyes you can see that. the ongoing war in syria and the flight of the revenge in the face of mass persecution in myanmar with the central topics in this year's competition unicef germany grants the award each year to photos and photos series that best depict the personality and living conditions of children worldwide . it is a mirror of the reality that many children in this world live in a bitter reality which is why there are three pictures in this competition that address the flight of the reagan jet for me in march of bangladesh when you can still find pictures from iraq there are still images from syria and if you had to find a headline for this competition it would be it is still not over people are still

dying still starving people are still on the run with this but. for this year's winner there is still work to do mohammed was scenes new project to shooting portraits of refugee children stranded in serbia. well twenty seventeen has been a big year for women earlier this month time magazine named its person of the year as the silence breakers they are the thousands of women whose stories of sexual harassment have led to what time called the biggest cultural reckoning in decades but the fight to respect for equality is bigger than the me too movement like in iran for example where women are subject to strict islamic code but some women they are trying to change that let's bring in elizabeth show who is standing by on our social media desk for more on that story so liz it seems as if there is a battle of the sexes brewing in iran tell us more. that's right sara we're seeing women in iran the saying we are tired of men making rules telling us what we can't

and cannot wear so they have started the campaign it's called white wednesdays and the idea behind that campaign is that every wednesday the women who support that's come pain have to wear at least one white item so it can be something as simple as a bracelet it can be a dress and then we also see some very daring women who on those wednesdays decides to take off their head covering the not wearing a hijab on that day and that is actually something that is forbidden in iran and let me just show you a video that has gone viral in the country this was posted on instagram and you see a woman there she is not wearing a headscarf and there is a security officer who is confronting her and not letting her walk down that street so that is the kind of problems that the women in iran are facing when they're trying to fight even for little freedoms there and the country and we're seeing lots of women really across the country who are joining of the white wednesdays

movement and they're giving the reasons why they're doing. walpole he's nominated twenty one so-called open car model would come up zero point zero zero zero zero zero with a people's altar far behind it so it. was. first thought of as a chip company template that made it so that it's pretty clear by the fact. that he starts i've thought about. three hundred thick of things. such as if he scored. five three and. you know etc these women say ok if there are some women in our country who want to cover their heads then they can go ahead with that but we don't want to be forced to do that and liz who is behind this campaign well the campaign

was started by a women's rights activist her name is massey elina jad she lives in exile in the us right now and she is one of the most prominent of voices fighting for the rights of the iranian women online a huge following on social media and she says he wants to give a platform and a voice to the women who are still in iran we talked to her via skype and this is what she told us about her campaign kick me out for my country but on their social media so they can keep me out would you want to pretend but they cannot you know keep these women silent these women inside iran they are brave. and we are also seeing some very brave men who are supporting this they in here posting pictures on massey's web sites themselves covering their heads instead of the women so they are showing support for this campaign sara and just the two finish off let me show you a video that is also making the rounds on social media this is

a young woman she's standing outside a stadium in iran and she once a climbs on that wall so that she can watch the match that is going on inside the stadium and there are some men there who are helping her climb up the wall now she can't use the main entrance because women in iran are not allowed to attend the sporting events if there are men who are also taking part there so we're seeing solidarity from the men and the women are hoping that the culture will slowly change and that they will get more rights like other women in other places in the world elizabeth show thank you so much for telling us a little bit more about this movement in iran we appreciate it. for. the united nations war crimes tribunal for the former yugoslavia deliberated for more than twenty years in the hague now the court's work is over we take a look back at the tribunal's hearings and its legacy.

crimes torture. forcible displacement the u.n. tribunal for the former yugoslavia has tried many cases of atrocities some have made history. perhaps best known the trial of the former serbian president slobodan milosevic charged with crimes against humanity he was brought before the courts in two thousand and one the list of indictments was long and the trial dragged on for years with loss of which died in custody before a verdict could be reached the trial is fear. over more than twenty years the u.n. tribunal indicted one hundred sixty one people not all of them face trials some refused to cooperate but there were some spectacular cases where war criminals were brought to justice such as the former bosnian serb leader radovan carriage who was arrested in two thousand and eight for years he'd been living quietly in disguise

passing himself off as a faith healer. after the breakup of yugoslavia carriage pressed for the creation of a greater serbia he was blamed for the heavy loss of life in the brutal siege of sarajevo. the verdict forty years behind by three along with the former general ratko milat it carried it was found guilty of the srebrenica massacre in the summer of one thousand nine hundred five and some eight thousand muslim men and boys were murdered. the judges ruled the massacre was genocide it took years just to identify the victims. and the tribe in all made another historic ruling classifying for the first time mass rape as a crime against humanity. most sixteen years after sixteen years on the

wanted list right come let each was also brought before the courts in the hague the mystery of you for having committed crimes the chamber synthesis mr wright coma each to life imprisonment. or whatever. yet. i'm so happy the judgment can bring thousands back from the dead but this is what we've prayed for. because given the last hearing in november this year should have been a fitting end to the tribunals work instead it was a debacle the defendant slobodan prayag killed himself by swallowing poison just after being sentenced to a twenty year jail still beliefs and peace adult the court itself had become a crime scene. the

tribunals should have helped with the process of reconciliation but it's not as simple as that many in the former yugoslavia deny to this day that will crimes took place and many of those found guilty is still celebrates it is heroes in their homeland. and for more now i am joined in the studio by very own frank hoffman who has been following these developments quite closely i know over the years. you know given you know what you have seen unfold here what do you think that the legacy of this tribunal will be i think it brought international justice to to another level at the time when it was founded in one thousand nine hundred ninety three it was the first criminal tribunals after the crowds. were convicting a nazi german leader of leading figures at the time so that was a restart for international justice this shouldn't be underestimated especially

when it comes to a later analyzes of how that was done it has produced an immense all cardiff that will play a role not only in the in the justice international justice system but also for story. it came under criticism of course we have to mention i'm not only for political interference but also you know with regard to the speed with which it operated. i want to just play something now we have we have a quote from chilling he was the high representative for bosnia and herzegovina from two thousand and six and two thousand and seven let's listen in to what he had to say and then get your reaction there. all of the attacks on the hague tribunals were political but thank god we weren't influenced by them. i just want to say that thankfully with this last ruling the tribunal has brought the whole story more or less to an end. because there were some cases where you really wanted

where is this meddling going to end. up but the tribunal refused to be influenced and the states involved had to learn one thing. if you had no respect for ruling it's because you had no idea about the judiciary. and if you don't have a clue about the judiciary even look to learn about democracy. and that was perhaps a rosy assessment of the outcomes of the trip and all right i mean what do you make i mean is he correct there what do you think that the influence of this tribunal that it will have on the ext yugoslavian countries if we look back at the interview was made by our west embark on colleagues and of course they're focusing on the on the impacts very closely at the moment and one analyzes that we are learning all that we are talking in discussing at the moment as it has had less impact on the political sphere on the political level in the form of islam of countries but an

immense impact on civil society and human rights groups and people that are key figures in the transformation process towards a real democratic societies in countries like serbia creation of boston had to go in and this should never be underestimated because a lot of human rights activists were always able to refer to the tribe you will doing their work and that was on a day by day basis on the other hand it's true on the political level it was used for nationalistic raisins and these countries still have a long way to go to and again a process of what we know in europe especially in western europe of reconciliation of the world will too and it certainly set a precedent we know that the international criminal court has has drawn from a lot of the experiences of the i.c.t. why. when it comes to justice would you say that justice was served and not only justice but also reconciliation in the end for the victims of this yugoslav war for

some but not fall i think that's the result of it but you always can also question is it better to do nothing or to stop with it i met people in the balkans for them it was highly important to know that there's not side institution dealing with these issues. we will have to see what's going to happen in future if i come back to this story and time and history will tell we think it so much frank kaufman very own correspondent who has followed the international criminal court from its inception and the i.c.t. why has we're speaking about drawing to a close we thank you very much for joining us here to tell us a little banks for having me. it's it will most of the full power of the presidency and if there's a way to destroy you god will find the. right answer in a place you. can't do this the legacy of the company is that state. what will happen if we don't publish. we will lose the country will lose. and

meryl streep starring there as katharine graham the first female owner of a major newspaper in america in steven spielberg's latest movie the post's robin merrill here with us here in the studio from a call to desta tell us a little bit more about it you've already seen it we know robin it's based on a true story about the pentagon papers which you know there were leaked by the washington post back in one nine hundred seventy one the pentagon papers basically revealed that the u.s. government knew that the war in vietnam wasn't winnable if you like and these secret papers were leaked to the press it calls a scandal at the time this actually preceded the famous more famous if you like watergate scandal come for years later and of course he addresses the subject of freedom of the press it addresses the subject of politics or abuse of power if you like it the dress is maybe fake news it's all very current today absolutely and

speaking about current it also has many of the current stars i mean it doesn't get bigger oh yes this is that this is star studded like no other isn't it in the steven spielberg's directing it and it stars possibly arguably the two biggest stars in hollywood meryl streep and tom hanks an amazing enough they've never worked together before and i just should mention spielberg says about both of them you already said the street who plays this extraordinary powerful woman and that she gets it katharine graham was in in just two hours and he said i don't know how meryl did it and i'm the director anyway let's see a little bit more of the movie. do you have the papers. not yet. oh gosh oh gosh because you know the. position that would put me in saving her own face and korea are risking everything

to do the right thing it's a tough decision for a publisher katharine graham as owner of the renowned washington post she has the chance to expose one of the biggest scandals in history but in a male dominated field graham who's played by meryl streep has to find her own strength first thank you for your frankness she was not only doubted by her adversaries but also by her friends and it's a particularly lonely thing to do to to try to stand up under those circumstances but everybody in this film does that every single person. has risk attached to the decision they make when the post gets a hold of top secret documents the race is on the team surrounding chief editor ben bradley played by tom hanks has to dig through the pentagon papers and find the evidence proving the government has been lying about the vietnam war but they have

to be careful the government already stopped the new york times from digging too deep and now they're on to the post's editors. others said and nine hundred seventy one steven spielberg's movie seems to be just the right movie for our time but the story also takes takes on the journey even though it happened not you seventy one word nixon was trying to through the courts stop the free press corps and hold broadside assault on the news media is. she i wonder what happened to. morrow integrity freedom of the press the complicated relationship between politics and the media the post is more than a riveting drama it's an eye opening history lesson of the prison. many lessons from history there that don't seem to have been largely. i think politics mistrust the press and vice versa more than ever doesn't it i mean and this specially in america where anything that donald trump doesn't like he calls it fake

news but the only real difference nowadays is it all happens much faster with social media and because of social media it's actually more difficult to hide stuff and have enough so they are also difficult to hide that this probably has oscar written all over it me is the pope catholic since they've released it just so they could be nominated for oscars so yes i think it's safe to say this at least in the robin merrill with the very latest on this film it is so much for telling us all a bit more about the post for you up to date now on d w news i'm sarah kelly in berlin thanks for watching. the be. glib.

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