alicia talks now america has been heading a caretaker government since the national election more than one hundred days ago she and her conservatives have been in exploratory talks with the social democrats since sunday let's get more now on this breaking news with me here in the studio is spending across she is a political scientist at the humboldt university in berlin and an expert in coalition governments welcome to you q what do you make of what we're seeing this morning it's exciting right now but it's also promising it's good to hear that they actually took time to talk through the night to to get rid of these problems with regard to taxes gratian and stuff like that and i think we will soon hear a positive statement about the official coalition negotiation talks starting the s.p.d. of where of course reluctant partners they want to enter the opposition in the german parliament given that does it seem as if they have

a viable basis for cooperation going forward does it seem as if this is a coalition if it doesn't come to fruition that can hold i think so yes so i think there are like they have compromised policies present and also on a personal basis it should work and also and most importantly probably there is no other option right so it's off the table the minority could government is off the table because i'm going who doesn't want that so aside from you elections with which probably wouldn't be beneficial for for the social democrats and the conservatives there's no other option than having so you think it's a coalition that will last the full four years. probably a single her god the hell yes probably. just generally speaking you know when when we look forward what does it mean for for the country another grand coalition because a lot of people especially in the wake of this election really saw poor results for

the center party so of course the c.d.u. c.s.u. and the s.p.d. the two parties that will presumably form this grand coalition here. you know what does that mean going forward would you say of course i think they will not be able to continue like the they did in the last four years so they will have to find new policies that actually talk to to the citizens because this is probably the most dangerous situation when the politicians or the elite is a distant from from the citizens so this would be this would lead more support for to more support for the right wing of the right so there will definitely have to be new policy plans just briefly before we go what's coming next and next will be then the party convention by the social democrats where they offer surely have to agree on the starting official coalition to go she ations and then if they are successful then we will see

a referendum for the social democrat members. and across political scientists at the humboldt university here in berlin an expert in coalition governments we thank you so much for joining us here at the w. to discuss this breaking news situation as we just mentioned we are waiting to hear from the party leaders at this hour here in berlin we know that they have been meeting in the as the headquarters for these exploratory coalition talks and reportedly they have come to a breakthrough. you're up to date now on d.w. news to stay with us we will have more developments at the top of the hour i'm sara kelly in berlin i hope to see you soon.

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agree on a basis for a new coalition now it seems as they act as though there has been a breakthrough we will have the very latest. also coming up trumps in trouble again this time he is being rude about immigrants and he profanity laced remark the u.s. president is reported to have insulted haiti el salvador and several african countries. and thousands rally in pakistan to protest against the great and murder of an eight year old girl they demand to know why the police were so slow to react to the child abduction. and scaling new heights we need an incredible rock climber from hong kong police determined to the phil bitstreams despite losing the use of his legs. playing. i'm sorry kelly thank you so much

for joining us breaking news this hour we begin here in berlin where germ. and political leaders are reported to have reached a breakthrough in pre-columbian and talks chancellor angela merkel's conservatives and the social democrats led by martine childes negotiated throughout the night to find a basis for formal coalition talks now merkel and her conservatives have been in exploratory talks with the social democrats a week she's been heading a caretaker government since the national election more than one hundred days ago. our political correspondent review devolved is standing by at the social democrats headquarters where the talks have been taking place and rupert we see quite a scene there behind you bring us up to date. it's a bit confusing right now just a few minutes ago a spokesman of the social democrats came out and told us that his party still needs a little bit of time and that they have identified some of the some phrases within

the twenty eight pages of text that this agreement to the policy leaders have found is long that they have shown some phrases in there which they want to have more precise so this means that we are still excuse me someone want to tend to always seen here so this means that the so should all mr it's still want to debate discuss some of the things the christian democrats of congo americal have already called an agreement now that we know that there were a few outstanding issues you know going into this this particular day of talks yesterday just walk us through what they still have yet to agree on. one of the major problems from what we have heard must have been the money problem was. it wasn't quite clear on how. the would be could would find and all the projects that they have agreed on and from what we have heard

there won't be a need any higher taxes so this would be a win for uncle americal conservative blog and a big lose for four hundred children the social democrats because they have been calling for a higher taxes especially for the wealthy and the rich we also have heard that they have reached to an agreement on the europe issue saying that they want to go very closely with the strong ally france we women have to remember the french president a minor when markov had issued some proposals on european policy under specially the social democrats have called to follow these proposals and from what we have heard. have found an agreement on that one but there still are some sticking points as especially refugee policy see it still seems to be a problem in the case of presumably about is perhaps the text that martin shields

is reportedly looking to adjust there i mean he has quite a hard sell now in front of him doesn't he just walk us through what is expected to happen over the next day is over the next weeks. absolutely these these talks that we have seen here during the last days only were the talks in front of the real coalition talks and scuse me again there are quite a lot of journalists running around and some of them don't really know what a camera is for i'm afraid. the these talks that we have been seeing here during the last days only have been the talk some front of the talks so the social democrats still have to see if they really want to and real coalition talks with angela merkel's conservative look they have. it's not the party board that's going to make this decision it's the rank and file they have called a party conference and sunday next week and until then martin schultz has to convince his party which was very reluctant to help the same power. to really start

these coalition talks and even if these coalition talks come to a successful and meaning that they want to form a grand coalition then all party members of the social social democrats still have to say yes to this so there's still quite a lot ahead especially for the social democrats and there still is no decision if there's going to be a new government here in germany yes or no so there is so much at stake and so many pitfalls on the road so many potential challenge is you know to to bring this grand coalition to fruition but if you can just you know reset the scene for us the election was back in september. what has brought us to this point right now and how long is that road now going forward if we're just looking at an approximate time timeline. well all parties all sides that have been in these negotiating negotiations know in the end the losers of the last election. what we

are seeing here negotiating negotiations and talks between two sides to ponty blocks the conservatives of the social democrats which have lost the last elections the the social democrats even have their worst result of so their reluctance to help michael to stay in power is quite understandable in the end and even with the americans comes over to block the reluctance to just carry on to just keep on the american power is also there and you can feel it and you can see it although many still not saying it openly but there's still what we can already see is that there's a certain weakness within the party leaders so we have three weak party leaders trying to stay in power in the end and parties who are reluctant to follow but

don't know really what else to do so this is the problem actually this is not a government in the making that really knows oh yes this is so project this is something really really want to do this is the government in the in the making which just doesn't have any other option and i guess this is the real problem here and we are waiting standing by to see what those party leaders have to say about that and so much more so much at stake today with the very latest where those exploratory talks are. hopefully going to you know and at some point today just carry on thank you so much for your reporting. let's get more now from spending across she is a political scientist at the humble to university here in berlin and an expert in coalition governments finger thank you so much for joining us this morning. what we just heard rupert there describe i mean he described we can leaders. basically entering into

a situation that they don't necessarily want and making lemonade is that a viable situation here for germany if. a grand coalition is established is it a sustainable solution for the country it's not an optimal situation of course but i would still say that it will be able to or it could be able to survive the legislative term definitely because there's just no other options around and i think the parties are aware of the fact that there is this danger all these threats of the and if these government and this government will terminate early then i'm sure that off the will be able to to gain support from the voters do you think that is if it is a solution that would appease the voters because i mean when we saw just the breakdown of voting in september's election if we compared to the previous election before that you know there was really the center was bleeding out to the edges so

you saw for example the two parties that would be forming this coalition actually losing votes if we compare it going forward so you know what do you what does that what does that say for the prospect of another grand coalition. i mean like i said it's definitely not an optimal situation but still it's the voters who who decided to vote like that right and the parties will have to handle the situation and i'm sure i mean i mean america is is really a senior full titian of course right and she's been she's been chancellor for for twelve years already so i think she will be able to handle this situation let's talk a little bit more about the issues because apparently there are some sticking points on we expected these leaders to already give a press conference this morning they apparently need more time in order to come to a consensus walk us through what some of those sticking points are of course there's this ever prominent topic of refugees migration in general but there's also

the problem of texas so the.