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the germans every week on w. hello and welcome to quadriga this week seventy years to the day after israel was founded the us reversed decades of american foreign policy and took action to make the recognition of jerusalem as israel's capital official by formally relocating its embassy to jerusalem and sending president trump's daughter ivanka with her husband jerad cushion are to inaugurate the new premises a triumph for some israelis but a bitter provocation for many palestinians who see jerusalem as their own capital their mass attempt to cross the border fence separating israel from gaza turned into the bloodiest protest in years coming just after trump's announcement that the

u.s. will no longer comply with the iran nuclear agreement but instead to reimpose sanctions the embassy launch was the second move with highly disruptive implications for the already volatile middle east can and should europe counter trump and the middle east and your role for europe that's our topic and these are our guests it's a pleasure to welcome laura miller she is executive director of international affairs at the curb foundation and she says after trump's decisions in the middle east the europeans must do damage control and very glad to have on the program shiny rosanna's she was born in israel is a producer and middle east analyst here at d w and she says too divided and self-involved europe is systematically failing to fill the void left by american policy and finally very glad to have back on the program alan posner he's an author for the. newspaper here in germany event and he says europe and america are strong

when they act together when they don't americans weekend and europe becomes invisible. so alan more than fifty deaths twenty four hundred people injured on monday on this program you vigorously defended the u.s. decision to requote case the embassy at the end of last year the decision taken then and i'm wondering do you abide by that opinion in the face of this but absolutely more than ever look this bloodshed has nothing to do with the moving of the embassy this bloodshed was planned by hamas and its uranium backers for over a year this mot of return which means reconquista of israel has been planned by hamas as i say for over a year they they it's to mock what they called not by day the day of the catastrophe the day that israel was founded and many palestinians was home and they

wanted they've been wanting these more mobsters for months and months and they planned towards that and there would have been violence at the at the border anyway no matter what mr trump did or didn't do so please do not conflate these two issues of the movement of the of the of the of the embassy to jerusalem which is a perfectly peaceful just putting on a new package on an on a building that already stands there and this terrible incitement by hamas to send people to into the depths of the border. the palestinians to storm the fence did have multiple reasons to be frustrated including the weakness and corruption of their own administration and of course israel's intransigent so can we really lay this violence at donald trump's door as many people have been doing well and i went when i. are you that it is only q.

to be blamed on. but i think there are multiple other reasons for the palestinians to be frustrated but i do believe that the embassy movement to drusilla is of a very inflammatory nature and i think it's not for a new reason that the issue of jerusalem has been delayed in the peace negotiations between palestinians and israelis to the final status talks so i think creating facts on the ground which are not only facts on the ground but which are to the benefit of just one party to the conflict without actually giving a similar concession a similar important concession to the other side is a a highly problematic move and the question you ask is why why what the americans do that at this point in time because it's unclear to me what what is the return on

investment if you will so i think that is that is a question we really have to ask to to washington and i want to ask that question about timing in just a moment but there was on this first of all donald trump has defended israel's use of force on monday but there has been widespread condemnation elsewhere of what critics say was a very disproportionate use of live ammunition against mostly unarmed protesters amnesty international has called it a scandalous violation of both international law and human rights how do you see it well this is there's no doubt that the americans support or backing of israeli moves when it comes to gaza but not just of course. keeps israelis more once more calm even when we see a lot of parties coming from europe because as we could see an un mandate with the with the moving of the plaque yes it's just a plaque but of course the symbol behind it and that all the matters in the middle east the symbol is quite great the symbolism is a maze. so in that aspect we see that ceremony is cementing that bond that

conservative religious bond between israel and america and as long as i mean this has got america's backing they feel quite fine and solid and quiet. despite the fact that of course this is quite controversial rightfully so and we also need to keep in mind a must themselves have their stories. not really aligned you know the beginning the first explanation was these are all harmless people on arm but then hamas folks person himself yesterday confirmed that fifty out of out of the casualties were actually hamas people so they are in that way shooting their own arguments in the lag in not being too persistent with their claim of what has happened so controversial yes but always it always is in this region you know so the date that was chosen for this symbolic and controversial controversial move was in fact the time of year when tensions between israel and palestinians are at their highest

anniversary of israel's founding and anniversary of the palestinian explosion the question is should the u.s. have known it was adding fuel to a fire let's hear what the main protagonists had to say about the decision. was a great day for israel it's a great day for america it's a great day for our fantastic partnership. but i believe it's also a great day for. israel is a sovereign nation with the right like every other sovereign nation to determine its own capital the united states remains fully committed to facilitating a lasting peace agreement. we saw in jerusalem today was not the opening of an embassy. but the opening of an american settlement outpost.

ellen hasn't the u.s. in essence given up any pretense being impartial or being in the role of a of an arbiter between the two sides and if so what are the consequences of that for the peace process. america i hope was never impartial as regards israel and i wish europe would be less impartial because it's perfectly clear that the position of the west has to be on the side of the region's only functioning democracy israel seventy years of democracy never been in doubt although the state itself as hard as it has been attacked time and time again by its neighbors surely that's a reasonable doubt to be impartial if the arabs want to come to a peace deal they have to realize and europe needs to send this message to that

israel isn't going to go away and its friends on going to go away from it so they're not impartial we are friends of the israelis we're not necessarily we're certainly not friends of hamas i'm not friends of mr abbas who just recently said that the juices responsible for the holocaust i mean come on don't we have any principles here surely if we have any principles the told means stand behind is what i'm telling the other side. we are here what a you giving us the how to use it i think from a german point of view of course it's clear that israel's security is part of our liaison to time and that's that what the chancellor said in the knesset i think it was back in twenty zero eight with this said however i do believe that we have because the israelis are our friends and because we feel that they're going wrong when it comes to settlement activities and all of that that we have to be critical in that regard and i think that is that is at the core of our engagement in the

middle east peace process so i would say that yes i mean the americans have taken themselves out of the game in terms of you know what their ability to be an honest broker to some extend and yes this would be the european moment to jump in and to take over that role i wouldn't necessarily say that we don't have any tools in our diplomatic tool box visa vi the parties to the conflict i'm not sure however whether you know the europeans can fill that vacuum that that was left by by washington let me come back to that in just a moment because we do have a sound bite from on that and other issues but let me first ask you shani two questions first of all israel as a democracy some people worry that if we go on much longer without something like a two state solution or some other outcome of

a peace process that israel may find itself forced to choose between being a democracy and being a jewish state so would you say in fact there is urgency here in terms of where the so-called dormant peace process is going i think what you're saying is exactly the point and this is where we need to put you know the emphasis and the difference between what eleanor is saying. there is more than one way to be pro israel you know and alan takes one stand which is that's a pro regime pro-government it takes a very clear stand it's backing not only israel as a state but also this particular government and its policy one or saying we can be pro israel and we can say and watch for the so there is more than one way if we feel and that many people within israel there are many loud voices within israel saying settlements are not conducive not to the peace process not to israel not for israel's own future if we don't want to jeopardize the jewish majority of the state and allow it to be a separate state and not one state you know which will it will might end up being

if you look at the demographics if you look at the numbers with so many palestinians inside and that if we don't want to give the palestinians their rights what how can we still claim to be a democracy so this very discussion is in the heart of what we're talking about and there is no doubt that this current regime does not feel that the too much of a rush you know there knowing they have the backing of the white house at least for the next. probably maybe for eight years but definitely for the next two or three more years and that's now in him self if you see if you look at his policy and what he's been doing so far his strategy is waiting waiting it out seeing how the rest of the arab world is you know where does this go especially following the the arab spring and the unrest that followed that but this is what he believes is the right thing to do i i'm not certain there's so many voices within israel that necessarily think it's the only way we should go or or this is the smartest way to go i don't personally don't trump is

a firm believer that disruption can produce surprisingly constructive results and the fact is conventional diplomacy has so far a sensually achieved only a stalemate so how confident are you that by shaking things up he can in some way reactivate something like a constructive peace process and i'm very confident and she because it's not true actually that. the convention of rome is created just to make the convention diplomacy over the eight years of the obama administration has created a catastrophe for everyone concerned in the in the middle east look at syria look at the situation as palestinians look at yemen look at the rise of iran i mean terror look at lebanon terrible situation all caused by doing nothing so shaking the do nothing approach up and saying ok we're. putting everything on the table now let's see you deliver it's already working look after trump said we're moving the

embassy to jerusalem up came prince some out of saudi arabia up someone been a mahommedan said said to personally and publicly you need to recognize israel finally and deal with the reality. the president of egypt tried to convince christiania of hamas not to do these demonstrations you can see already how the perception of america as being firm and not some kind of putting nail to the wall is is is forcing the arabs to face up to reality this is good not bad i want to break in so i want to go home and someone also was the one who said we will never neutralize our relationship with israel as long as there's no solution to the palestinian problem you know he's being very cautious and it's true that saudis you can see the sally is in one clear alliance with israel because we have that iran is the big devil bringing washington and of course israel and

saudi arabia together but it's if you still feel that the palestinians can be the one who deliver peace for you know a peace deal to the middle east i wish i could have your optimism i think i think you're delusional ok i'm going to i'm going to interrupt us right there because i want to take us back to our topic of europe's role and i mentioned a sound bite from america so let's listen to that if we look at the region as a whole she had some. rather self critical remarks to make during her first speech to the parliament after being sworn in for another term as chancellor let's hear him. in my ear it is directly impacted by the situation at the same time we've not done enough to try and work out a political solution to this dispute i acknowledge that if there was i have no illusions about the complexities of the situation but i believe that we must become more involved in resolving this dispute.