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this is d.w. news live from berlin back from the brink of michael survives another major crisis for now germany's chancellor was facing a rebellion from her interior minister over migration policy he has backed down but reports say he has given merkel and ultimatum to sort out border control in two weeks or he'll do it himself we're going live to his news conference tomorrow.
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i'm assuming so much going to thank you for joining us germany's governing coalition steps back from the brink of a crisis that could have toppled the chancellor angela merkel merkel and her interior minister costs a whole for are expected to start separate press conferences in a few moments we'll bring you live coverage of those press conferences now the issue is migration say hopeful wants to enforce stricter limits on migrants entering germany while merkel is hoping for an e.u. wide policy early reports say she has now accepted an offer under which say first party but very christian social union will give her two weeks to hammer out a deal. as we said both the interior minister they hope her and the chancellor are expected to speak in this hour we are waiting for both press conferences now if they speak at the same time this year you're looking at pictures of the c.s.u. had quarters in munich if they speak at the same time we'll go here to be a cd you had quarters in berlin to bring you the chancellor's words and then update
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you on the interior minister's statement there after but we are monitoring both and we'll bring you both a live this is soon as they come in to us. and we do have our correspondents maximiliano kosik in munich a at the c.s.u. head quarters outside and melinda crane at the city you had quarters in berlin good to see both max let's start with you we're hearing that say hope for will give michael the time she was asking for to find a european solution what more can you tell us. well we are close to a statement it seems as senior many members of their party leadership have been leaving the building already we've seen over the phone a state premier leaving the party headquarters already we've seen is i also from a member of the german federal cabinet and just a minute just these few minutes ago and they are shy has been leaving he's been giving a few statements but very briefly only saying that the. actual statement by party that most of us to be expected any time soon and the question now is what's the
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compromise that has been signaled coming from they had quotas here will actually entail if it be the one that has been reported so far which is that once to give merkel time for the u.s. summit some sort of a european solution but at the same time that he may enforce in the upcoming days a stricter migration ban for those coming trying to come into the country but have already been registered in other you countries or have been permitted from entering germany before all right melinda let's come to you were here in berlin and from the city you had quarters it would appear to be an important we're praying for the chancellor and for the c.d.u. what are some of the reactions been there. well so far we haven't received firm confirmation of what you just heard there from maximillian it makes me on it in fact in munich as well we're still waiting for that official confirmation from the party but what what we're hearing here from circles who were acquainted with
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this morning's talks among the christian democratic leadership including the chancellor is that they welcome the two week window for looking to try to get to by lateral agreements with the countries on the external boundary of the european union that so far have borne the brunt of the influx of migrants since twenty fifteen those are countries like like italy. greece and as you know tensions have been high there as well over migration in fact it's one of the issues that brought to power in italy a nationalist populist government that most recently turned away a boat full of refugees saying we simply can't take in any more so it's countries like italy that the chancellor will be using this two week period to try to get agreement with agreement to return. registered migrants to them for them to deal with that won't be easy the italian prime minister is actually coming
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here this evening and there is word here at c.d.u. headquarters that the chancellor will bleed working hard to try to get agreement with him but what we're also hearing from inside our circles here is that. the c.d.u. leadership does not want to accept any solution being dictated by munich that would involve an automatic rejection of migrants that goes beyond those who have already been denied asylum in the past chancellor said before she has nowhere problem with rejecting those migrants and in fact public international law e.u. law would allow it but anything beyond that that the c.s.u. demands would enter into force automatically if an e.u. summit at the end of june doesn't produce clear multilateral solutions i think the c.d.u. would have a hard time accepting and that means this crisis could resurface again in two
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weeks' time and as you've been speaking we've been looking at pictures there of the city of headquarters inside where we are still waiting for the chancellor to speak remind us again why the chancellor has insisted it is so important to find a european solution first why is it important for germany not to act alone. she told her leadership this morning that germany's response to this issue will determine whether the you not european union can remain united whether it can stay together that is the level of importance that she considers this dispute to have she has said many times in the past only a multilateral europe wide solution is a really sustainable solution and that if germany were to go it alone with essentially nationalist measures to close its border we will see many other e.u. countries do so as well that would bring down the entire system of internal open borders what's known as the schengen system that essentially has turned europe into
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one large economic unit it would reimpose border controls and would also essentially send a message to those southern european countries look it's your problem we are not going to be standing with you on this and that of course is a recipe for disintegration of the european union and the chancellor made that point of view very clear in her podcast this weekend talking about critical upcoming meetings this week between german and french ministers saying that this would be at the very top of the agenda of the issues that they need to talk about for all of the reasons that i just listed. come back to you know you know bavaria heading to the polls later this year in the fall a lot of critics accusing the party of the c.s.u. of allowing that to dictate national and also european policy how much how big of an issue has migration been there in bavaria. well it
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certainly has been an issue as in bavaria has been hit quite hard by the migrant crys in two thousand and fifteen especially border towns like paso and also number at for example is the head of the federal agency and of refugees and migration so the topic is here and a very certainly very present and both the states current states premium and federal interior minister jose over have made it a recurring topic in their rhetoric but they're the same time it's not the only topic that will be determining the bavarian state election in october fourteenth there's a lot of issues going on in my social issues and structure and development there's been three very controversial laws that have been pushed by a legislative initiatives pushed by the sea is you one has been the crusoe order where crews have to be hung in public buildings now in bavaria there's been a legislature and on mentally ill and on the new were new or toss for the police
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here in bavaria that has been criticized quite heavily so there's a lot of different debates going on on different topics in the various that will eventually determine the state elections different topics there max and yet migration is the one that's taken center stage how much has the far right a d. driven the debate there. well there's always been the saying about the season the varia that that can be nothing right to the season as in a political position and the f.d.a. has certainly pushed the seas a rhetorical in the last couple of years more towards the right the question now is about how the season will go forward in the next coming weeks in the companion and in general is if the every thor it will have follow a program programatic approach so if they will actually make do with the things they've been saying this is been also been at the core of the crisis we've been observing over the last days as in that the sees you has said things over the last
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weeks over and over again and now. to deliver on that rhetoric and bring up a plan that follows their more tougher refuted policy the question now is the a.s.d. is doing quite ok in the polls it's doing at thirteen percent him to various similar to the s.p.d. while the season is currently ranking at forty two percent but the f a s d hasn't been any parliament in the or any sort of communal government or any sort of. governmental body in the in the various a far and people are still quite skeptical about that so the question if the will actually push the season for there is not so much a question of going maybe to the right but also like thinking of what policies do you want to bring on going forward. or just reminding our viewers now that we are waiting for the chancellor chancellor merkel to speak a little while those are those live pictures you're seeing or you're just seeing there we are awaiting a press conference from her as well as from the interior minister oh say hall for
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in bavaria it looks like there might be some movement and there is the chancellor let's go right there to listen in. because no gentleman can very well mark. i'd like to give a sign out to chancellor angela merkel. ladies and gentleman. where of the fact that the c.d.n. c.s.u. were meeting the executive committees the city executive committee found something of a difficult situation. even though that the studio and the executive committee met in and that they are in a very difficult situation and that we have agreed the following we believe that the city and the city as you will pursue the same aim in migration to structure
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this better in our country and to ensure that the influx of people coming to our country goes down so that we do not have a repeat of the situation in twenty fifteen because this is the commitment from the position paper that the studio and c.s.u. have put forward on migration the physician in with all we want to ensure is fulfill our commitment to mess to clean the soonest security in the c.d.u. we feel we have the right way forward and this position paper on migration that we have could forward from the c.d.u. and c.s.u. we have pushed through in the coalition agreement. the c.d.u. supports the initiative of the german minister of the interior see who first to present a master plan on migration and in everything we do it is our from conviction as the
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c.d.u. we need to keep in mind germany and europe and trusts in view which. why would you not want any unilateral actions here we don't want to act this way at most bands of others and as i said thursday already. in the future we don't we will not allow those asylum seekers to come and germany in accordance with the dublin agreements has already registered asylum. and we therefore believe it is in german interest to ensure that we work closely together to manage migratory flows with our european neighbors which is why we believe that uncoordinated body so new turning away in future silencing us at our borders could lead to negative domino effect which will at the end of the day this all be at the expense of germany's
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interests and the european mix cd with cohesion which as e.g. remains a key part of our policy. and this is why i have asked for and received support so that within the framework of the european union council meeting on twenty of the twenty nine of them that i will be negotiating bilateral agreements. this was a proposal i made last week already. in order to achieve this we need to have a german government capable of action and a strong negotiating mandate for myself when i receive this from the c.d.u. and from its executive committee today. after the european summit on the first of july and the executive committee of the c.d.u. we will be debating the results of our negotiations and in light of what we've
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achieved we will make decisions about the best procedure moving forward nothing is automatic and the c.d.u. . we want to debate with you in its own ranks to begin with and then decide what to do after the fact this is being a serious debate that we've had. one very much in the spirit. of ensuring that core parts of our policy are ones we want to keep moving forward but that at the same time we want to act jointly with the city as you know which is why i proposed a compromise last week. which puts me under pressure and my negotiations if you know your exit you will know that this won't be easy but i don't think that it's well worth it not least to ensure that the conservative city wants us to stay together and that we make progress in europe on this issue as well
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for the first question is to ms that that. consulate in bend had a chance to when you begin your legacy actually with the european partners i wonder if you've got anything you can offer them because i would imagine that they will want to at least have something the least there's something in it for them they want perhaps. germany to take more refugees they don't want to end up taking them from where within the twenty eight member states let us recapitulate and say that we do not yet have any agreement on common european asylum policy of the seven draft laws the been put forward by the commission five have a high level of support in unity and there's the question of solidarity between member states there we have yet to reach an agreement. it will have to be the case and i'll be discussing this with my partners here but it's not just that we as
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germany can make demands but we also have to look at what the interests of our negotiating partners are and what they are remains to be seen. i do know the from another case when it was about a third party country that this was turkey the e.u. turkey trip and i know there is a point for turkey that the housing and good name of the refugees that they have taken and to get financial support. so this is something we'll have to talk about as well and i think the needs in the various different countries will differ. but it will have to be an agreement that all parties accept. but additional security is certainly something and you have more security if you know where refugees will go if for example they reach agreements or italy or.
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other countries once they are registered there they have to know what's going to happen to them it's not enough just to say you can't come to germany they need to know that there are silent can be pursued in the countries where they register that c.m. with you madam chancellor how would you deal with the c.d.u. resolution that those who have a ban on entering germany should be turned away at the border right now as mr they were first looking for it and what about the automatic mechanism if for some reason you not managed at the e.u. summit to achieve an agreement will there automatically after that what is in visiting in his plan or will you have to start from the beginning and have to debate these things in the bodies once again this is what came out of our meeting is that there is no automatic mechanism for. that we will debate after the summit
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and look at where we are and based on that look at where we're going for moving forward that's the position of the c.d.u. and i also said that on thursday in our executive committee telephone conference we agreed this and this was debated as well was. this issue as well that those who come via the dublin agreement say we have an agreement with italy or with greece that this particular refugee. can be sent back to greece or two. actually. once that's happened and these refugees basically have a ban on reentering germany in accordance with german law think that if such a person is at our borders again that they can indeed be banned on reentering germany this is a common position. this is something that we've already exists just with italy and
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greece a bug area these things are lateral or agreements already in existence so obviously we don't need to go through the whole procedure again with them on the basis of what the procedure has been put in place and the country of origin has agreed with this and so this is basically a ban on re entering germany. for madam chancellor for the how can you work together with the minister of the interior who on the weekend said that he could couldn't really work together with you view gives you a deadline until it makes you look as if you but how would this deadline do you feel. that he is. driving you too much here perhaps grandstanding for the head of the election well i have to say that in our discussions with the c.s.u. studio i made the proposal to disable first because i said that from the point of
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view of the c.s.u. he feels this issue is very urgent that. the way i want to proceed is that we try to reach agreements with these countries now everybody knows this isn't going to be easy but these would be bilateral or insecure of mental agreements that do not present present a common european solution and it's on the basis of that that they see as us made its decisions as i have said there is no automatic mechanism here we would debate what comes out of it and i also discussed with us. about cooperation between a minister of the interior and a german chancellor that the two must be able to discuss issues and must be able to work together security situation in germany is difficult and so it's a prerequisite that they be able to work together on this project as it is fulfilled naturally their own manner of different things that we have achieved in cooperation with combating illegal migration for example but there are many things
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we have yet to achieve and this is why it is my view that we have to continue to work on addressing these issues until we have solved them properly horse and whole first masterplan is a good foundation for this and in this spirit i want to continue to work together and i hope that we succeed. mr tibbs. madam chancellor i still don't understand what is going to happen if say in the worst case you do not manage any kind of agreement can you say there's no automatic mechanism i understand but what would you do if you had to i mean would that mean you. support a policy that basically translates into the implementation of this disease or first program well you know me if this is but it's our questions i never like to answer we'll talk again on the first of july and i'll tell you your answer then.
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from america you're units entire matter no chance where you're surprised in recent days quickly from or rather how little resistance there seem to be from the christian democratic union whenever they talk that there needs to be a new. government that this to do and say yes you are falling apart i mean this when inventions of the media they were all manner of. talk about the lack of unity between the studio and the sea as you that you'd reach the end of the mayan and that you and mr z. who are for are involved in this so my question to you has divided her conservative threaten to take down her government we heard that there has been a compromise so far at least with a hope for from the c.s.u. the interior minister and he's speaking right now let's listen in to what he is
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saying. he saw her and then just left before tyler. saw it's mr hugh the home. fishing commission itself has made us east let me just say that i'm going to limit myself to the most important statement all of the things that are set out here in the resolution absolutely unanimously that we voted on every individual point separately this is difficult question votes in favor of votes against abstentions and there was no hint of resistance here it could so if all of this was debated at length and in detail the stick from my point of view
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perhaps what's important is that i presented my own master plan on migration policy for believe because it is the plan of the german ministry of the interior and it's not one that my pilot mentor group or the coalition partner have this planned this will happen next week and this is why i thought it inappropriate to distribute this e.s.u. is the same with the c d u as well i presented the plan and the chance of presented my plan verbally but we didn't handed out in writing. because we need to adhere to the cat i was pleased when i heard from berlin that the cd you see. has looked at the. streets that most of the plans basically so. that all six. the three
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items that we presented were essentially supported those people and of course we are saying that those points in the plan that i am responsible for as minister of the interior should be implemented by me naturally there are always things in a plan of this kind in the world where you need to change legislation and for that you need to have a majority in the governing coalition and the approval of the upper house of parliament to that's a matter of course this is to be seen as a kind of guideline for the work of the german ministry of the interior. and it is based on the coalition agreement simple but it's also based on many other aspects that in the last three months in which i've been in my position i have on my desk are regularly so in a sense this requires bush
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a response from the right for example if. you have a ruling. this book especially this one but that requires her to those months that being a refugee who is invited to come for a hearing it says on the invitation that your participation is voluntary but at the same time you're supposed to properly rule in a case that isn't acceptable it cannot be voluntary that people come to their own hearings you saw certain changes have to be made here because this is urgent and as i said to the parliamentary group as well as the minister of interior to all cases and all conditions must be covered by this and it's not only things that necessarily have support the public will forgo but everything that i have seen in my work brings me to inclusion that we do not have proper
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control of the whole migratory situation and we need to improve certain things but i cannot say that we have this issue under control such that i can safely state to the public at large that we have a set of rules and regulations in place that holds water properly and ensures that immigration is managed properly and that we have legal security here in germany as well but we need to do a great deal more to make sure this all takes place in accordance with the will of law and. i want to make a. bones about the fact that in the c.s.u. we support any european solution and if we attempt to find a european solution in its way and we have never. had any doubts around this for many of the political decisions made in europe many that
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have divided europe we are not responsible for these we are not responsible for the decision the divisions in europe. and we certainly would support chancellor's efforts to achieve by latter agreements when it comes to. accepting people who do not get so if the asylum here in germany and also around the us during the council president seem the chancellor has explained to me in prison over and then that the austrians will be focusing on protecting your ex there in a way borders with the ex expanding the role that the border protection company frontex place and the special zone in africa will be strengthened as well in order to. deport refugees in safe areas.
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and of course we've also looked at the whole question of border control is because of public and turning away people at the border. common instruments we agreed entirely with the fact that it's turning away as rights asylum seekers at the border must take place with the ticket when these are people who have a ban on retraining or germany or who are not allowed to mention be to be on german soil but also those who are already registered in another huge countries who or who are asylum seekers and i was actually registered anyway out zucchini so this is not just a legal organ.

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