this v.w. news law in from berlin and our lives election special bringing you the results and initial reaction from the various state election voting has just ended there and exit polls indicate nice guys new shift in the varian politics that he calls shocks all the way to berlin and to the chancellor angela merkel we will have coverage from our political correspondents on the ground in munich bergland. i'm sorry kelly welcome to the program it's

a call for change from bavarians exit polls coming out of the southern german state suggest the decade long dominance of the conservative c.s.u. party is over polls show support for the c.s.u. party is down by more than twelve per cent while the greens are the big winners with support up by nearly ten per cent and becoming the various second strongest force within the state government we have the independent free voters following behind with just over eleven percent the far right a.f.d. as we can see there with eleven percent but really the big headline here the c.s.u. dipping you see thirty five percent of the vote there and the greens at eighteen percent this is expected to further rattle angela merkel's fragile coalition government in berlin the conservative c.s.u. party has dominated the political landscape of bavaria for decades but that will no longer be the case. today's

a people for more on this what it all means let's break it down with our chief political editor there who is appropriately standing by there in munich at the sea as you head quarters. what are the reactions there because everybody is still taking in those initial exit polls a sense here very much is that it's it's they knew it would be but it's not quite as bad as good because of course at one point the polls were down to thirty three percent still significant draw for the support base of the sea is you this find new means is still that solid rock solid conservative. you know power that i'm going to michael could always good law on there will be a coalition needed here and the various something that is almost done. often decades of me a policy rule in this economic powerhouse day so they need a coalition what are the options mahela. you know.

make a lot not sure if you can hear us there i know you're standing by in munich there at the c.s. you had quarters and as you mentioned earlier there is there is a lot going on the c.s.u. you losing some major ground there they are really the strongman in varian politics mahela i hope that you can hear us you were talking a little bit more about you know where the party goes from here the fact that they will indeed need to build a coalition in order to govern there in bavaria and so i'd like to ask you again hopefully you can hear me what are their options. ok everybody we apologize it's clear that our chief political editor can hear us there in munich because as we mentioned there is quite a lot going on right now at the c.s.u. headquarters but luckily enough we do have some political analysis here in the studio and therefore i would like to bring in. constantine bussy political

scientist at home university and our political correspondent nina hasa nina i'll turn to you first what do we make of this was the night sarah. we've seen in recent projections of course we were expecting it doesn't come as a surprise first of all so the latest projections always look really bad for the sea issue but. this is a historic debacle for the conservatives let's not forget they've ruled in the varia which is nixon prosperous state in the south of germany. by themselves almost alone for decades and so then really the suffering is the very very clear loss the greens at a historic high so we see that is clearly a result where voters have said that area is polarized between progressive liberal policies represented by the greens and also a lot of folks have gone to the far right if he they've entered the very in

parliament for the very first time with a whopping eleven percent so there is a lot for us to you know it's really tough to deny the fact that the c.s.u. has been the dominant force in varian politics but i'd just like to you know rewind back to two thousand and eight when they were forced to form a coalition with the f.t.p. and constantine i'd like to ask you therefore who do you think that they are going to be targeting now in order to potentially form a coalition because they can't govern alone you know it seems that the so-called free voter alliance is the natural coalition partner they are so they only have eleven group that runs on this track are the voters right you have to start not build it from the grown up they seem to be the natural correlation padma very sort of the breakaway the sort of the last of the lost son so to speak of those he is you anyway there's a lot of argue logical overlap there's a lot of overlap in terms of policy is the gist of the voter lines things of this use you has become to come. place and that it has become too arrogant they don't

really have fundamental sort of. differences in sort of policy or outlook so that seems to be a natural quality and then obviously the democrats always a natural coalition partner because they've always been a defined sort of a version of the party was always to be a party of government so these seem to be natural coalition partners but you know the greens obviously they're out there as well so there might be some very very interesting post-election negotiation going to have to talk about the greens we have seen the media really talking about the rise of the f.t. the fact that migration was a really big issue in this election but the greens here eighteen point five percent according to these projections and you know that is quite a story isn't it that is. the biggest result for the greens and bavaria was roughly ten percent they've always had a base in bavaria but now they have really fallen. and there are many reasons why people turned away from the conservatives from the christian

social union as it's called anglo-american is conservative sister party in bavaria many people say that c.s.u. especially in the migration crisis wasn't christian enough and they didn't really know where to go and many people went to the greens but then also the greens did a lot of things right they change the leadership they've changed their rhetoric the much more positive than they used to be and they represent this. traditional and yet been life style which may have people in the very a one their state to be represented as because they do pride themselves in being both traditional and modern and the greens it is such an interesting time for german politics because i mean we have seen so many trends now over the past year also in the federal election we've seen the largest parties in the country really bleeding from the center and the fringes sort of rising up and gaining and i'd like to ask you konstantin what do you think that that means. and national level what

does that mean for anglo american because right now the blame game i think is just starting you know one thing there's two important issues here to keep in mind number one is what are the implications for the federal government as it is right now the coalition at the federal level and i think everyone thought about you know with the bavarian election over you know what this is you sort of sort of securing you know their share of the vote at least not losing too much they'll keep quiet and the coalition can sort of continue to focus on the actual issues that is not going to happen the way it looks like right now. so that's the that's the first issue you know what is going to happen with the federal government and what's the role of the c's you going to be are they going to desperately try to sort of stake their claim. or are they going to sort of go back to talking about issues and policies and that i think it's hard to say whether they are or whether they're not true we'll have to see how the internal debate in the c's use going to play out and there's a lot of debate going on right now and that debate most certainly underway in

munich where i've just heard from my producer that is just getting miked up once again and apparently we can actually go to her now so that's good news mchale i hope you can hear me now and we were just talking about you know potentially the soul searching that must be going on down there right now what are you hearing what are you seeing. books are you ready also talked about the blame game and that's also it's already as you said we already hear it's good to hear from the leading figures of the see you see you pointing towards polls that showed more than eighty percent some eighty nine percent off topic with the economic development here in bavaria so it certainly wasn't the economy was it that clearly they couldn't isolate themselves from what's going on in both live this also became an election campaign issue with a lead counted to. point to. where there's no stability varia weather is simple let's see the kind of tried to make that his but that's.

trademark so many media clearly see the problem and see the reason for their defeat in palin they feel that they've performed well and certainly what the polling shows about economics kid satisfaction here in this area appears to back that up and there's also a recognition that this was a lot more about the very idea the very concept of hyman's home and really what the if de peyster on date them if this comes up into the hope of results getting eleven percent is about what they polled as two hours it shows that their concept is working to talk about identity bought at the same time though when he is strong as they are in some states where they get more than twenty percent that result actions coming up next year in germany eastern states will be the ones to watch whether this translates into proper shift to the right and mahela it's so interesting because we are following these regional elections now as if they are

a bellwether for you know what on the federal level for for national politics in the country and the fact that you know you are live in bavaria right now that we're doing a special programming on this you're our chief political editor how do you see the implications of this election for the federal government. look this is not the turning point that everybody is looking for you this is another point that shows that the conservative support is crumbling that questions are being raised also to wards on the americal but this started way before this regional poll more full potential for lines to come there's other regional elections coming up in hessen in two weeks' time where one of her closest political allies fall goofy and might not get reelected if that happens that will cut tons of fuzzy. a lot more than these

regional elections where the responsibility if not the blame as we're hearing right now is safely with the sea is you brothers here and a very so yes it's another piece of evidence showing that macros posture privacy is also something both downside to the former finance minister now president of parliament really reaffirmed an interview a couple of days ago where he said she's no longer as strong as she used to be well that's no longer breaking news but this is all turning into something that could become a political dynamic that then things just suddenly happen very fast and when i mention that i'm talking about that cd policy conference in december where angela merkel said she will stand once again see to you party leader well will we see the debate will we see louder voices questioning her future as party leader coming up to that these elections are crucial for that on the elections coming up in two weeks' time the state of also

a crucial potential turning point for that internal saucy chris criticism but this is not the end of anything here tonight and tell us a little bit more about what comes after her tonight mckayla because presumably now the c.s.u. sort of assessing their options what sort of coalition they can build another really big element of the story is the rise of the greens i mean according to these exit polls eighteen point five percent for that party they're not necessarily the preferred partner of the c.s.u. though right what do you think that we will see. here this is quite quite a political career here for the green party and the very aware they traditionally had a very hard time they might find themselves this coalition part that having said that they already said that the first thing they would want to talk about is migration well the bavarian c.s.u. they are the most gracious critics in the conservative view and they criticized i'm going to michael's migration policy from day one. this would be very interesting

coalition talks indeed a lot of trouble ahead for that and we're expecting to see some intense political infighting here in bavaria that could have repercussions in berlin that could see the first cabinet member in this seven months old coalition of i'm going to mouth off nationwide be at least down which potentially having to go that's false a will for the interior minister twice over the past six months i brought some apples coalition governments to the brink of collapse but yes the greens are the big winners of the night shift particularly because in the past that he's been known they actually wanted by the fact that they usually poll better than they actually then school in the elections well let's see how the sun's up tonight but they're ready tossing that's what we're hearing they are the all out winners here and it also proves that when voters leave the traditional big posses particularly the social democrats who suffered a crushing defeat here tonight but also of course the conservatives they don't just flee they don't just sit to the right they also shift to the center left so they

are bleeding from all sides t w chief political editor mahela cook now with the very latest from the c.s.u. headquarters there in munich mckellar unless you hop off and do some more reporting there take the pulse of the room a lot going on tonight this is c w news live from berlin this is our special coverage of the various state election results here in germany and here is the very latest exit polls after the varians voted in those state elections suggest that the decades long dominance of conservatives here you party is over polls show that their support is down by more than twelve percent while the greens are the big winners with support up by nearly ten percent making them to various second strongest force in the state government the results of today's vote could further rattle anglo america's fragile coalition government here and for lent. and for more

we're joined here in the studio by constantine busing a political scientist at humboldt university and our political correspondent nina nina we've been talking a lot about the national implications of this vote the fact that this blame game has been starting here we've seen all the various politicians essentially pointing the finger very far away from each other who do you think is going to pay the price for this c.s.u. loss could it go as high as the chancellor. what stephanie atlee going to happen is that her and hasi are going to try and blame each other they have done so in recent weeks already to remind both from same party that both representatives of the christian social union marcos are essentially the varian prime minister since earlier this year he toppled toss the hoffa and he sent him into exile that's what it feels like for bavarian if he has to become a minister in berlin even though of course being a minister in berlin is is an important position but to hospital for this really

felt like he was toppled before because before he used to be both used to be the head of the seas you and the bavarian prime minister and then he wasn't any more and so already in the election campaign these two alpha males were attacking each other wherever they could and they were trying to shift the blame away marcus it as saying i haven't been in office long enough for this to be really my last and policy of us saying well i haven't been on any of the campaign posters so it's not really so it was very clear to them as well that they were going to lose the many voters told our reporters on the ground and told me when i was there in bavaria that actually hostile first behavior in the current government coalition here in berlin wasn't something that many people agreed with they did agree with his policies on migration for example many peoples a very conservative now these days three years after the big high point of the migration. crisis when lots of migrants arrived here and in germany but then you

have people said the way he attacked this is something that we're not and the state premiers that i would just have to remind everyone he's actually only been in power there in bavaria since march so quite recently he's blamed berlin politics he actually has called it to quote him directly constantine therefore i'd like to ask you if they hope for will to fall were to fall he is the federal interior minister he has been quite a problem for. agel americal in recent months especially this summer we have to say could this actually be a win for merkel if her if her sister party loses in bavaria could it be a win for her on the national level well it depends very much for what reasons they over what sort of you know step as the away from his office is it because you know everyone thinks that he did everything right and now he's done his job and thank you very much for being all cannon fodder so to speak for this this compay or is it because people think that the seeds you need to be even more so the focus on

identity politics and even more vatican sort of in they'll position to the rest of the coalition at the national level so in that sense it's hard to say whether you know him sort of hypothetically leaving office would be a win or loss for an america as far as i mean america concerned as far as an american is concerned her situation is difficult because she's doing a style of politics that she's always done that she's always been very successful with it's a moderating style it's a style that's focused on compromise that's focused on issues that's focused on vashon all sort of policy making and now she has to deal with these people who are not rational anymore in the sense that they really want to talk about policies and you know they want to read some compromise this is hard cause symbolic identity politics and that's not going to mecca style so in a sense she has reached primal she's passed her prime but that's not a fault if you if you will it's a result of sort of the changing circumstances that she has to contend with and

that really is a problem but no nina i'd like to ask you. the a.f.p. results here we just mentioned that in the exit polls eleven percent here you know a lot of the media people have really been covering the rise of the a.f.p. just generally speaking in the country do you see this as a story here though. at eleven percent and bavaria because i mean it was speculated that for example the lead candidate was saying that the c.s.u. has moved too far to the left and was now encouraging the voters to vote for the f.t. but it seems as if they didn't come out in the numbers that those candidates would have hoped for right. i absolutely agree. of course i mean to enter parliament with eleven percent is quite something so there is a story we can't deny but i mean this is an area of the country we have to remind people i mean when the migration crisis was happening the refugee crisis was happening this is where people were entering. precisely but also you have to remember that bavaria is a well functioning state and it actually worked really well and then the

conservatives who were in power actually managed to close the borders effectively helped close the borders so that these days there are no migrants anymore that are coming into the very large numbers but of course yes it was extremely it is still an extremely polarizing issue but the fact that the eight years went extremely against christian values was something that many people put off in that conservative germany and that is something that is different to east germany for example where there is not that. religion under churches don't really play that role. and you know we're actually just going to interrupt you for a bit our viewers can see there marcus order we've been talking about him quite a lot he is the current state premier the lead candidate for this p.s.u. as you mentioned affording to exit polls his party a dramatic loss there they have been the dominant political force for decades and tonight only garnering thirty five point five percent as

a result of more long time so let's listen to what he had to say thank you for going to star for. me for in this are my limited series or hearing from the top of course today is not an easy day for the city as you know we have not run she's a good result we've achieved a painful result but even though we have to wait and see what happens over the course of the evening we accept this result will be with you humility and we will have to learn our lessons from this result we have to analyze exactly what took place but one thing is clear despite certain debates and comments and forecasts the c.s.u. is not only the strongest party once again it has a remit to form a government and that has to be said as well in this context thank

goodness in some markets in holding off what we have to wait for the rest of the evening the bavarian electoral law has its best if it is we'll have to see how things counted with first and second votes counted differently and we have to wait for some of the results that we haven't received yet and naturally we'll have to see what the exact majorities are. and another thing we'll have to do is analyze what changes we've seen here in the very in our society and we have to take on responsibility of one of the most important mandates that we have is to ensure that this federal state remains stayed. governable under strong as it has been so far and so i think the main job that we have here is to create a stable government and this remit has been clearly given us to the christian social union to form a stable government for bavaria colleagues ladies and gentlemen thank

you thank you but it was dark it really was great when it comes to the causes we will be discussing these over the next few days indeed. and the election results of the other parties show clearly that the man challenges facing us in recent years have triggered a debate over debates that have been held in the kaufman is that's a lie that's on the front and since twenty fifteen we've had an intense debate about immigration policy refugee policy and in recent weeks there have been debates as well which have made it that easier to carry out an election campaign moment but i think it's important now that we look to the future we need to analyze the challenges we need to look at society and the changes there was some were unhappy about what's happened in the last half

a year we take what you are saying seriously we want to become better we will become better and our clear aim is to shoulder this responsibility let me speak frankly here. i really sensing that in these times of change in europe and in germany instability is deformed the size of the from going out for some there are all kinds of different constellations that keep coming up it's hard to know how to take on responsibility but one thing is clear but varia can if we all pull together the various can have a strong stable government and that. that is the promise that we want to make to the electorate this evening we want to. ensure that we create a stable government as quickly as possible and we take on this job thanks and thank you.

the second. makes my regarding myself let me just say personally i went along to two hundred different events with thousands of people i experienced a great deal of enthusiasm questions as to where the barrier is headed now and i want to thank the support that i have had to work in the party in my parliamentary group grass roots but also thomas cloyd said the head of the c.s.u. remember that this is dave samberg parliamentary group and the debates that we had at the very end some people were saying about will there be no c.s.u. in bavaria anymore we had comments that were actually de paul about this what we have seen is that in the last few meters we worked really hard we fought really hard and we had absolutely closed ranks here and in the last few weeks it felt like

we were really gaining some ground and i want to thank everyone because it was really good work well done. thank you it's good some of these our have a clear remit we need to stand our ground and we need to fulfill our commitments our responsibility we need to hold this federal state together this myth of a strong stable of the various one we need to continue with in the future too i've

been in office for six months only that is the shortest amount of time before somebody took on this position and had an election campaign i've been learning more every day and it's going to remain a challenge moving forward but if the party and the state assembly parliamentary group that says it wants me to continue to hold this strong but very together i would accept this thank you thank these e-mails for ages it is itself will emerge over the course of the evening and who has how many states what clear is that has the question on social union what i don't want but we will be preparing for the developments to come through and i want

them we will be meeting with all the states every parliamentary groups except the a.f.p. and this will be discussing with all of them and i think that. the the far right anti immigration group had very different forecasts and i think that through the work that we've done we've managed to at least keep the results down from what the polls had suggested thank you do not believe me just break your florida. and we will be speaking with the democratic party's in the very instant assembling i have a certain preference and i would like to see mainstream government reform in auburn mr howard baker and others have suggested that the very it was an undemocratic undemocratic federal state which of course caused

a lot of. remembered all over the waves and that's just not a fair fight i have to say but let me say once again that after my party is definitely a stable mainstream democratic party as this area as a whole thanks but i love how bob so it's going to be a long night we're waiting very much to get the final votes and the final results and letters of wait and see what happens over the course of the evening we'll have to see who has how many seats and these are very unstable simply but one thing is clear it's not an easy day for the c.s.u. and when not alone we can feel that we're in a national and international alliance and i think that we can say that internationally this is sixteen years this is

a pretty good result but one thing is clear this is the as you and of work through statement assembly parliamentary group but there will be the largest group as well . and the remit that we have is offering people stability maybe people would like to see in a better result than this but we want to return their stability and loyalty with stability in the government so it's going to be a very exciting evening thank you very much thus far thank you watching the current state here of the various markets that are speaking at the c.s. your party. headquarters in new nick after a disappointing result for his party garnering just thirty five point five percent of the vote in those regional elections according to some exit polls in fact those exit polls more specifically indicating that the dominance of the conservative c.s.u. is over showing support for the c.s.u. party is down by more than twelve percent while the greens are the big winners with

support up by nearly ten percent that would make them various second strongest force in the state government the independent free voters trail with just over eleven percent of the vote the far right a d. also made huge gains with an eleven percent increase however we just heard are essentially say that they did worse than the polls and he really held that as a victory for his party in order to send them back a bit in this election the social democrats are down severely from their storm or spot as the second strongest party with more than ten percent dropping the f.d.p. is wavering at a round the five percent threshold and the left party is up slightly but just over three percent. and for more now i'm joined by constantine bussing from humble to university and he is also rejoining us welcome to both of you you know what do you think what do you make of what we just heard so say we said it before

we actually came on to the stage that he was going to try and make it clear to everybody that he has only been in office as state premier for six months so he is not to blame for this is tory last he also stressed that still the conservatives are the strongest force and that he is going to try and form a stable government and what i found especially interesting was how he then said that it was the c.s.u. who managed to keep the a of a well this is something that has been extremely interesting to to watch over the recent months how first of all the c.s.u. especially when it came to this topic of migration they just didn't know how to deal with it how to both talk to the voters who are christian who have christian values and say we need to help people in need and many people meant these immigrants coming from war zones itself are coming to this affluent country so many

people from the sea as you were ready to help immigrants and this is you didn't want to lose those votes and yet at the same time there was this threat from the far right and this year's always been very clear we can't accept a democratically elected force on the right of this is you so they were in a big moment for a long time they actually had the same rhetoric as the a fifty they sounded like they had a really tough stance on migration and then it was only in september when they realized that this strategy just wasn't working i was at a party convention where marcus it actually changed course completely and then said you know we need to fight if the it's interesting i mean he he really had a measured tone i think it's fair to say in this statement and he said that they need to accept the humbling results and he really use that sort of terminology but you know i mean this election is so much bigger than that or who we know. his head is on essentially the chopping block here and the c.s.u. party itself i mean how do you see this constantine what are the implications on the national level if i may i want to add on the point that dina has made just just

very briefly and i think she's used making a great point about the fact that the c.u. was divided in terms of the sort of the voters that they want to appeal to on the one hand christian voters that so have a more positive view on the migration issue and on the other hand other voters that are not you have the same sort of internal division for the for the social democrats you have working class voters and more cosmopolitan voters even even within the have to pay you have that division between more national and more sort of cosmopolitan levels the only two parties that don't have that kind of internal division are the two parties that made the biggest gains the greens and the the so you see that the migration issue really sort of hit a wedge into sort of the bavarian party system just in the same way in which it did that at the national level and i think that's of fascinating about this preventing election i'm getting to your issue in your question is the fact that you to bavaria sort of showed us the past of german politics you know stable parties you know clear majorities few parties you know clear sort of social sort of embeddedness of

parties and not for the very few and the future of the german party system was always sort of taking place in other state level elections you know the the first red green party the first red green coalition in hessen the first black green coalition in hamburg. but now for the first time bavaria doesn't show as the past of the german party system but possibly its future too and it's not just in germany right i mean we're seeing this political fragmentation in fact all over here up on other parts of the world as well and i'm looking of course at the netherlands italy sweden on these smaller parties gaining voters from the established parties do you think constantine just as a quick follow up that this is the new political reality. i think so to an extent it is and i think there's two things to keep in mind here number one. and this is something that people tend to forget when they look at sort of the seismic when they speak of the seismic nature of the shift of the you know the deal in this election and there is

a seismic shift but the seismic shift is taking place within political blocs if you look at the you know if you cut the line through the middle of the political spectrum you know the way of we conceive of it sort of traditionally there's a left in the center left and we put all of those parties together and then there's a right in the center vibe to put all of those parties together if you add those numbers there has been an amazing stability over time in the german party system and also in bavaria you know look at their you know look at the the results of the c.s.u. plus the f.t.p. plus the free vote does plus the f.t. you lump them all together that's the sixty sixty five percent that the c.s.u. used to have in the past and the same on the left side right so you know there is amazing stability in a sense in the german party system but i in terms of the blogs but within the blogs those kinds of changes i think they have to stay for a while and i mean that presents a really unique challenge doesn't it fraggle americal nina because you know we have on the one hand you know the f.t. sort of gaining ground we also see them entering the national parliament in the

last election but you know on the other hand you have here in berlin a quarter of a million people showing up this weekend to demonstrate against the far right a polarized society i think it is fair to say in germany in your increasingly saying that coming out in politics as constantine has highlighted how does she handle that as chancellor of this country a chancellor who is now seen as weak it. well many people blame her weakness current weakness on the fact that she has still not delivered her vision of what germany should look like in the future that she just lacks. it's just not test style she is somebody who is this country like some sort of tank or like a big ship and she sees problems and then solves the machine is very much a physicist by training and this is how she has dealt with political problems and so far this hasn't really been a problem because the conservatives were always quite strong and had strong

partners and now we've seen all the parties involved in the current government coalition in berlin all of them received a massive slap in the face including the social democrat so of course you will have to react and you know already mentioned that her future is very much at stake and if she doesn't come up with a big vision sometime soon what at least she gets and she gives voters some sort of an idea of where she would like this country to be then this could become very tricky having said that america is not somebody to underestimate so you know you just don't know and it's also very far from clear who would fill her shoes that well they are being told by my producer that we actually have some new projections earlier we were telling you a little bit more about the exit polls but now we have actual projections to tell you about in general though we do know that variance are calling for change the results of this election they suggest that the decades long dominance of the conservative c.s.u. party is over and you can see it really reflected there in the numbers because the

polls show support for the c.s.u. party is down by more than twelve percent the c.s.u. bringing in thirty five point five percent of the vote according to those projections they have lost their absolute majority however we see support for the greens they are really the big winners tonight this is also a really big story the fact that they are up by nearly ten. per cent there in bavaria that would make them the various second strongest fourth force in the state government the independent free voters one of the preferred coalition partners for the c.s.u. we know that they trailed the greens with just over eleven per cent of the vote in point six to be a person on the far right also made huge gains with the eleven percent increase and nearly eleven percent of the vote the social democrats are down severely from their former spot as the second strongest party with more than a ten percent drop the f.d.p.

wavering at around five percent that five percent threshold and the left party is up slightly but just over three percent now those though these are just regional elections the results today they really could further rattle angela merkel's fragile coalition government in berlin the conservative c.s.u. party has dominated the political landscape of bavaria for decades that will no longer be the case after today's upheaval let's get some analysis on all of this our chief political editor michelle cooper is standing by at sea as you party headquarters where there is quite a lot of action tonight mahela what's the latest. you know i'm here in the state parliament with the c.s.u. i wouldn't dare say celebrated because they don't really have a reason to celebrate but the mood today clearly was it's not as bad as it as it was actually expected they were polling down to just to about thirty three percent now thirty five percent yes that is a significant setback it's a watershed moment but it was almost

a predicted earth quake here in bavaria and that also came through in the speech of marcos these candidates here i've heard his speeches so many times now that i can actually tell how much of it all repeats from his election campaign worth the speeches and he actually used part of the argument that he's used during the election campaign where he said on monday it will be. to create stability since the various like the opposite of berlin and that they see themselves in the driving seat of for me a coalition interestedly enough though he doesn't really see the greens as we will mathematically would be the natural allies to go into a two party coalition he says he wants more conservative driven conservative camp kind of coalition he will talk to all parties except the a.f.d. who doesn't says a city not a democratic party so be interesting talks here and for various a lot depends on whether the free democrats the pro-business free democrats actually manage to keep

above that five percent threshold or five point one right now so it could be a very long election night indeed to find out what the options even are that are on the table here but varia and they would have a clear signal to was by then of course and you did get that sense from his language i mean he really was was sort of projecting this we're going to wait and see the sort of wind of thinking for the party he also mentioned that they needed to accept tumbling bristles do you get that there mahela. well there's a recognition that they didn't really manage to tune in with their voter base and they lost a lot of credibility particular also by sounding remarkably similar to the fart if he threw a long period and then it was mark a pseudo actually turned around and said no we make to have to make absolutely clear that we are not going in the direction of the populace that was a bit too light late that cost them a lot of credibility the whole migration issue cost them credibility when the now

interior minister was in twenty sixteen just after the twenty fifteen what became known as the migration crisis accused german chance of breaking german law and threatened to take up before the constitutional court while still remaining with her in government this simply cost a lot of credibility he did tonight what is safe to say it was not the economy some eighty nine percent are happy with how the economy is going so that's a key issue when he didn't place us. huge role here it was a lot about ideology about homeland about identity and there were also polls showing that people are afraid of islamization of islam in general that's fifty one percent concerned about that at least and these are a lot of emotions that clearly came into these elections but it was also very interesting to hear marco souter here saying that he once looked to with the conservative camp to form a government i think we're in for a very interesting to see and it's quite interesting because i mean this is a party of course it's very specific to bavaria but you know there are national implications for this election hail and i know as our chief political editor i mean

you you really you travel the country you gauge the gauge the mood what do you see as the potential. what comes next nationally. well the bedrock of solid conservative support here in bavaria which is also a cornerstone of angular machall scour in berlin that is crumbling and visibly so for absolutely everybody and the more questions will be asked about how to win back voters both left and right left of center green voters because they certainly fled in two directions is not as simple as saying that people simply are shifting to the right that simply is not the bavarians story they went in both directions also to the greens so a lot of convincing to do and more questions will be raised whether angela merkel is the right needed to do that convincing there is a cd you party conference coming up in december and of be very interesting to watch

under the impression of these regional elections but also further regional actions coming up in two weeks' time in the state of hester which could be lost for the c.d.u. for if i want to fundamentals closest allies he was a state for me is that now if that happens political dynamics could be unleashed that could bring about change very fast it could in hindsight be the beginning of a. watershed moments but of course political. correspondents mall of the world flocks here tonight to really find out whether this is the key moment that changed everything i don't think it is we want answers we all want answers how do you explain big gains for the greens mckayla. so if you didn't read the question how do i see the situation for the greens how do you explain their game. their positive result they. yeah well they are such so if you said that they have all reason to celebrate they always had a very hard time here in bavaria the clear winners here but now we're hearing from

the mouth of marco souter that he really isn't inclined to go into any coalition with them he framed them basically as a party taking orders from berlin that's how he tries to set the scene as you which is its own party in this policy alliance and i'm going to michael that's how we try to set them apart really marking his preference for more conservative policy see it and have a creeping suspicion that he simply doesn't want to have to open that migration package again that is something that the greens vow to do if they were to talk to talk about a coalition here in the very end that would once again block any kind of other political debates ideally the student would like to move on that's that's something he signaled to it's nice quite clearly he sees the c.s.u. still in the driver's seat and frankly the bottom line for the sea is you hear a very it is it all went according to plan b. it didn't go according to plan that worked for decades with them becoming getting an absolute majority in the state parliament here but they knew it would be it's

not as bad as they thought it would be and they can well not quite hold the head up high but could they can still sound their ground here. chief political editor standing by at c.s.u. headquarters in munich thank you so much. let's get more analysis of these results we're joined here in the studio by constantine busing political scientist at humboldt university and political correspondent nina constantine tonight you see the nail in the coffin for establishments politics how do you think history will judge this regional election here in the very well well that's a tough one i think that depends on a lot of things i think it depends very much on how the established parties are going to react. you know how they're going to interpret these results and are they trying to become like the contenders like the parties are they trying to stand their ground and. maybe transform politics back into sort of the kind of politics that we had before these contenders emphasize this quote these questions of

identity before they're brought back sort of this is this symbolic politics and i think what is happening right now on the sea is you from what we've heard there is already pretty clear that the difference of the different actors there the different sort of the leadership personnel they're all trying to position themselves right now in that blame game obviously so markers that are said for example oh well we did actually great in this campaign because we kept the days small and i mean that's really something that we should talk about because i think the alternative explanation for that would be they made the obvious strong by video really emphasizing that migration issue so much so what we know from from from the way in which mainstream parties respond to those challenge of parties all across europe is that it really is true that when the established parties the mainstream parties speak the language of those especially those right wing challenge us they don't take away their votes actually strengthen them because they emphasize they give more salience to the issues on which those right wing parties are complaining

so i would disagree with that sort of i mean it's politics what sort of sense they are it's part of that you know positioning i understand that but it's i think it's a wrong analysis it's not true at least not based on what we know from you know from from from from that kind of issue of all of us you know and you know what is your analysis because i mean we heard from a halo for example she said that the issue was not the economy this time around was that migration. ultimately i believe and also the people who i spoke to and the feria and they confirmed to me that of course there were a lot of bread and brought us a series on the table like housing affordable housing not the future of digitalisation of how we want to live in this country but when you talk to people for a long period of time they all have an opinion on migration and how we deal with it as a society and we have to remind viewers abroad probably that germany just is. not experienced as a country of immigration and we're still struggling to find a common narrative what is the story when it comes to migration how do we deal with

it and so this is something that does polarize voters and there's something that i would like to add is that what consenting just said i fully agree with and i do believe that it is good for democracy in a way and german politics certainly has become a lot more interesting now that there are all these fringe parties and fights in the parliament are a lot more interesting to watch again for a long period of time german politics was reliable but and that push people away a lot of people just said i'm dissatisfied with politics because i don't know what they're talking about anymore this has nothing to do with me those days are over certainly when we saw that with the demonstration in berlin here yesterday and the same time there is the big risk because germany is a federal country that we will be tied up with dealing with domestic politics for a long period of time and at a period where it's really important for germany to show leadership in europe there

is so many issues that comp be solved by single countries alone and the french president is desperately waiting for a reply from germany when it comes to issues like migration like breaks it is cetera and germany is so tied up with its own internal struggles so this is the big downside not only in europe but also around the world i mean there was much speculation for example in the wake of the u.s. election that angela merkel who is the new free leader of the free world and many fingers pointed directly and very squarely to her and therefore constantine i'd like to ask you because i mean it's very clear that we have this you know fragmentation that the fringes are sort of the big winners in german politics not only in this region election but but also we saw in the national one what can the larger parties learn from these fringe parties is there something to be learnt. i think there's a response to be and i want to phrase it more carefully they can learn something

but i think they need to respond somehow somehow and i think there's two options either they become like the fringe parties which is what this is you have tried to you know emphasizing those symbolic issues you know the cross in the public buildings. or the you know in the migration policies obviously they also have a policy component it's about border security and there's these are really bread and butter even though those are better and butter issues but i think these policies have a symbolic function more than that actually had a problem solving function there was always both going on so in a sense to see as you tried to sort of do this kind of identity and symbolic politics inverse spawns to that challenge our party from the ride. and it wasn't very good at it it wasn't very good at it so i think the mainstream parties can do that they can copy to challenge us all they can try to read transform politics away from this kind of identity and symbolic politics back to the kind of drum politics that we knew from the past that was more about issues that was more about programatic things and maybe then sort of be combined these two is sort of the

point that you just made and you know this into one big that maybe in one big argument i think they fit together very well then maybe german politics will remain more interesting than in the past but not because we talk about these like really polarized issues in such a symbolic identity based on absolute kind of way but maybe because we've got to talk about these issues as policy issues again but not like we did in the past but with more sort of voices and i think that would that would be great i don't know if that's going to happen that's just one of those two options with a somewhat call interesting of some from perhaps the larger parties but also call it terrifying especially you know with the rise of the far right that's something that we do need to talk about. we saw the. premier from the c.s.u. handling it a success that the c.s.u. was able to sort of keep the a.f. day at a however i mean they did manage to garner we have here the projections. about eleven percent of the vote what are we to make of that you know. i think that there

is a big demand for far right positions in this country that always has been and i do believe that many people who voted for the a fifty also in the varia they voted for the a out of protest against what's when how how the so called established parties have been dealing with certain topics without necessarily having an alternative so many people just to vent their frustration anger with the with the current status quo that is certainly the case now how many people right wing extremists or radical that is something that you have to look at very carefully also with a fifty candidates the party still has not really made clear whether their right wing populist all right wing extremist at the moment in this in this phase where they're deciding themselves where they're standing and so they swell i think become even more visible in the states elections that will come up next year which are in

east germany where we will see whether the a.f.d. will move even further to the right or whether it will establish itself as a properly democratic polity on the very far right of the political spectrum it is so interesting to see that we are following these regional elections now sort of with bated breath breath as if they were national elections you know we normally wouldn't follow an election in the various so closely it's usually been a far gone conclusion in terms of of what would happen and constantly i'd like to talk with you a little bit more now about the unpredictability. generally speaking now elections here in germany i mean what do you make of of that changing landscape. well i mean i think one thing that we've seen is that the the polls obviously political sort of instrument as well you know the polls are being used as the yardstick against which. measure your performance you see that in the statements of this it wasn't that bad after all that we thought we would get like thirty to

thirty three percent and now it's only thirty five pounds so it's not that bad so obviously this is a result of polls becoming more unreliable especially with older voters for example we're not as well represented in those polls you see that internationally and you know that as well you know everyone used to have a telephone and someone called they picked it up they asked them questions we're going to vote this out something lot of people don't pick up the phone anymore they don't even have even have a landline anymore so i guess there's this is one aspect that polling has become more unreliable and that therefore it can be used actually much more effectively as an instrument because you know there's all these polls out there and they vary a lot and that's what we've seen in markets that as they've been as well it wasn't as bad as we thought it would be on the other hand i think voters have become more unpredictable that's a second issue here and that's obviously something that parties struggle with a lot that those sort of those social links that we know from german politics like if used to our politics in all of the industrialized world used to be you know strong social connections between parties involved is that's

a thing of the past obviously and all parties are struggling maybe to reestablish those kinds of connections and we see that in the lavatories so to speak going on right now in bavaria which always used to show us the past of german politics maybe for the first time we can see a little bit of the future of german politics of the various well ok and that's like make me an offer i'll tell you where i stand as you might imagine reaction has been coming and i'd like to turn to some of that now because the general secretary of and the americans party and i got credit. spoke just a short time ago let's listen to what she had to say. mind you. this ladies and gentlemen the result of the bavarian state elections is as friends of the see as you have said themselves a better result in this it is the results which for based on the polls of recent days and weeks is not really surprising for the disputes of recent months

particularly the tone and the style used clearly didn't give much of a tailwind to the bavarian state elections a complete no question about that when the results of the exit polls have given us the sense that the bavarian electorate want the c.s.u. to lead a government in that there have but in a coalition with other parties it would appear that debate and the issues discussed in recent weeks have led to. friends in the c.s.u. not managing to continue with the excellent work that they have had in the past the situation that they have in terms of domestic security the excellent economic situation and employment situation is by and their plans for the future just didn't get the necessary reception that they should have had and this is of course moment

of caution for us within our party as well the state elections and. will be coming up soon and in the next two weeks we're going to be focusing very much on this has the state elections and as the national party it's part of our responsibility lection campaign focusing on their plans for the future for heston in. my remaining time before the elections and it could be clear that the c.d.u. and state for crimea. for a few days work will continue now we know the other side is actions that we've had recently with the election results are often very different from the initial polls things change people decide things at the last minute reaction beginning to come and there you have been watching the c.d.u. general secretary speak in the wake of those very alexion this is news live from

berlin and our coverage of the various state election results here in germany check out these numbers bavarians are calling clearly here for change with the latest projected results coming out of the southern german states they suggest that the decades long dominance of the conservative c.s.u. party is over polls show support for the c.s.u. party has lost its absolute majority with support down by more than twelve percent the greens made major gains now becoming the various second strongest force in the state government the independent free voters trail them with just over eleven percent of the vote the far right a.f.d. also made huge games though not as large as predicted taking in nearly eleven percent of the vote support for the social democrats drop severely effectively losing their former spots as the second strongest party the f.d.p. is wavering around the five percent threshold and the left party is up slightly

though only regional elections the results of today's vote could further rattle angela merkel's fragile coalition government in berlin the conservative c.s.u. party has dominated the political landscape of bavaria for decades that will no longer be the case after today's upheaval you're watching news we have team coverage of this election but first we're actually i'm being told we can go to the c.s.u. party leader who is speaking right now germany's terrier minister on the federal lever level horse they offer let's listen in. it's august i give i think i mean that's when god if you. will receive a particular a high price that is really into your work if you're putting on everything into it and then last week so excellent work well done all. and i'm talking on this is not going to be like this one if you listen i was

necessary on your they want me to go off the question of a social union to speak is why i like to give you the for now you must. leave it but the general secretary. party france is this country and i talk to one source is not a good day for us as the christian social union to this is an election results that we cannot be happy with. but that's only one side of the coin or the other side or the end is that today i think that there is an electorate have clearly given us a mandate to form a new government for the free state of bavaria. and we have a take on this responsibility this should be here and this is why for me in the next few days what it will be about is self putting in ensuring that we put all of our effort into doing justice to this mandate if you will that the lectures have given us in the next few weeks to focus entirely on how to form

a stable government for bavaria so funk and i also want to say thank you as was i to share with the public with a fantastic election campaign at the grassroots if your party ranks on members everyone who has worked so hard on his organ during this election campaign because i particularly want to say thank you to just talk of candidates and state premier has a fantastic job thank you i'll tell you that it's in the next it's not surely and the next few weeks it will be about ensuring that we analyze exactly what led to this election results and we will do this most fairly and diligently and then draw all the necessary consequences from this analysis that's what i want to say to you this

evening on the one hand of course we're not happy about the result you know five years ago i stood here and it was a very different mood but on the other hand we need to take on our responsibility responsibility to the very neglected threat you have given us to form a good government for the free state of area so that every stage of bavaria can. continue to preserve its unique situation that the remit and on that note usually will continues to work all together with close ranks to achieving this and thank you for your time. thank you. very short statement there from horses the offer is germany's interior minister the head of the c.s.u. party which has and major losses this evening in bavaria is regional alexion let's

get more on this now we are going to cost unseen vos ing political scientist at home university and political correspondent nina has of both of us joining us here in the studio he said it's not a good day for the c.s.u. that is an understatement it isn't it isn't enough it was a start loss and it is a very very bad evening for the c.s.u. for americal sister party the conservatives in the very. political editor in a very or she said it's not because of the economy so actually the very info to not unhappy with their situation they made it very clear that they really just don't want the conservatives to continue in the same way as they did we have to remind viewers it's not about the economy the varians living in one of the most affluent regions in all of europe not just in germany i mean a commie exactly so you know speaking if you just look at figures the situation of life in bavaria is good but still the conservatives who have been in power for

decades received a massive slap in the face by the voters and now they're going to have to draw consequences which is what they see as you party chief also said. he said there will be consequences but then you stress the unity so he's trying it will be very interesting to watch how he will get out of this blame game and you guys specially because his head is potentially on the. it is here along with me and with many others including the man who he thanked in his speech which i found quite interesting the state premier there in bavaria like a soda we also heard constantine moments before that the general secretary of the c.d.u. speaking that's angela merkel sister party of course coalition partners on the national level as well what did you make of what she had to say it seems as if everyone is doing a bit of soul searching. you know what i i didn't think that she would say that this is you was lacking tailwind from berlin she said some such thing so she's

saying to the tune of the sea is you and that i found fascinating i wouldn't have expected that so it seems this is sort of the the kind of thing where you know the you know you don't kick a lying dog you know you just want to be careful with those guys you don't want to stir anymore any more commotion in bavaria vidal's so she could have said much much sort of much stronger things like for a couple of you today before even the polls before even the election was over he said that these see as you did the the whole christian democracy in germany the union off the sea the us the sea is you a big disservice by the way in which the actor during this election campaign and now the general secretary of the c.d.u. is not echoing that kind of rhetoric she's actually trying to be true she's a cautious in how she she treats the c.s.u. and that i found interesting what i also found interesting in the of a statement is that he practically said nothing he didn't say anything and i mean obviously politicians you know oftentimes say nothing when they say a lot but they they speak a lot and they don't say much but if you compare this to what zuda said i think

there's a clear clear difference is actually made two points one he wants a conservative coalition and number two the compay was successful you know against all the problems that were created in berlin but his campaign was successful so he had two points of substance in his first comments zero if i didn't have any substantive statement at all i thought no i did have one point sorry but i thought he said. i agree with you but he said five years ago i stood here and i i celebrated a big victory because we had we had gained vote is again because let's not forget the period before that to see if you had to govern with the f.t.p. and so he made it very clear that he was the one running the successful campaign where he did when everybody back which indicates that he is shifting the blame away from him and towards like a soda. but what's quite interesting here is i mean you know the c.s.u. is a party which is very specific to bavaria this is not about this regional election

though really here i mean we are reporting about this year on germany's international broadcaster in this way tonight for a very specific reason and that is because we have been seeing you know this political fragmentation generally speaking in the country a lot of these elections the results are more unpredictable than they would have been before the c.s.u. for example i mean them winning in bavaria would have been a foregone conclusion any other year for the past fifty years right now so i mean what does this mean what does this tell us about the changing political landscape in the country and what is this likely to mean on the national level i think two points that the political landscape in germany like in all the other european countries at least in most industrialized countries is becoming more fragmented the fringe parties are gaining more ground. we are lies the polls that they are becoming less reliable and that also has an impact on how people vote because if

they see that the party is not polling very well then they say there's no point in me giving them my vote ultimately so this is definitely an effect but also it means that we've seen in this bavarian election that it is no longer we can't separate the regional politics from the state politics anymore and so it was very clear that all the parties involved in the national government coalition uncle america received massive slap in the face and this doesn't necessarily have to do anything with the situation in bavaria tell us a little bit more about the f.t.'s results here constantine because. according to these projections they they've they've gone at about eleven percent of the votes i mean that's far more of course than we've ever seen from them in bavaria however it's you know it's troubling to some. zoraida he he couched it as a success though for his party what do you think the headline is here. i think the

headline is that this election was to some large extent about migration logic but to some significant non-trivial significant extent it was about migration and the aft is perfectly positioned to collect votes on that issue because it is not internally divided over that issue if you vote for the after you know what you're going to get you get a party that is against migration if you vote for the greece you're going to get a party that is pro migration most cosmopolitan in minds that all the other parties you're not sure what you're going to get and that's why they lost with the s.b. do you not sure what you're going to get in terms of migration policies with the sea as you don't know exactly what they're going to get despite all of the rhetoric you know all of the stunts that they pulled during the campaign with the after you know what you're going to get and that's why whenever other parties cave into that to that sort of that due to those challenge of parties in this case especially the vide wing if he is going to strengthen the f.t. the headline though very much going into this election when you're when you turn to

the international media was the c.s.u. is going to bleed it's going to bleed in the direction of the f.t. it's going to bleed in the direction of the right was that the correct headline nina would you say well it bled but in both directions it bled to the right and to the let it bled more to the left more to the left as we saw with the results of the greens i mean up almost ten percent that is quite a result becoming the second strongest policy i mean last year we were speculating i remember joining the federal elections that the greens maybe not make it into the bundestag into the federal parliament and so they have had this massive success story but like constantine says it is because you really do know what you're going to get and all the other parties are struggling with the issues of almost in times we've already had reaction from the greens and we would like to play that for you now catarina showed so she is the co-leader candidate for the greens in bavaria and

a political rising star in the country have a listen. because his told us a i gave thank you so much for this historical result one year ago when we set out to do this because we said very in politics need to have a party that are courageous and passionate and looking to the future with confidence one year ago we set out to do this because we said very in needs a political party that finally solves the problems people are facing it doesn't just create new ones and that's why friends this very end date election result has changed but there is already so thank you very much. is this a new day for the grave constantine would you say i mean because you know the we have to say they're not a new party right i mean they've they've been around for decades but they've they've always been on the fringes here we have eighteen point five percent according to the policeman our results and their polling also spectacularly nationally if we look at them compared to their political past well i think it's

very much it's going to be a function of the kinds of issues that are going to be on the table in the you know in the upcoming elections in the upcoming decade right now this place in the greens hands just as a place into the. hands that we talk about migration that we talk about politics as this divide between cosmopolitan values on the one hand the sort of the parochial sort of the nationalist perspective on the other hand as long as that's going to continue the greens are going to thrive but there might be another day where we talk about you know what you called this sort of the pickle bread and butter issue in the past you know once that happens the greens might not be as strong anymore so this is very much a function of the issues that are on the table and how the other parties are going to react to this are they going to continue talking about the issues the challenge of parties the knish parties the smaller parties being on the table all the other going to try to read transform politics is sort of in a way that makes them look better. what do you think we're going to see in terms of

the varian parliament they now because i mean we have the greens here it's very clear that the two leading political parties are the c.s.u. and the green so it would perhaps make sense for them to form a coalition however that's not the preferred scenario for the c.s.u. in fact they want the free voters potentially that the f.t. paper cups you can explain to us what the free voters are i mean that's perhaps a bit of a. unfamiliar concept for some of our international the earth. i think a lot will depend on those regional elections that we mentioned in two weeks' time yet again regional election. but in a in a region in the german state where the c.d.u. so on guam ackles party directly will. receive a result for their politics and what is interesting in that state is that there is a conservative green government in that state so i think the outcome of those

elections will be very much a litmus test also for the possibility to form a conservative green coalition in bavaria because of course they have a bit of time to do those coalition talks and i don't think that they're going to make any decision before the regional elections have been done and dealt with the free voters yes they're very much the go to option for the conservatives in the various they overlap in terms of many of the more traditional of the more conservative. platforms of the policies that the conservatives represent and so this is of course the number one choice for the c.s.u. i think it a lot will depend on whether or not the f.t.p. so the market the free market economy supporters of the free democrats will make it into the bavarian parliament or not because if they do then there could potentially be a three way solid conservative government like marcus or has indicated that would be his preferred option but all the while i mean the trend is clear the conservative

bloc that we have seen dominate german politics for so long is really weekend and of course the chance or herself it's impossible not to extrapolate those losses to her own power to her own power. could you think comes next would you say constantine you know based upon these regional results that we've been seeing lately and the various how the various parties have been performing what do you see as the future of german politics. and for that the taking of a really really hard fiber and i mean that's the that's the that's a really tough one. i think. and i always want to emphasize that because we're talking about this in terms of they are these challenger parties you know they they're coming on to the sort of they're coming they're entering the r.v. you know they're becoming stronger as if this was sort of a natural development and as if they're sort of they're thriving on sort of the nature of the times the you know these of migration for example as one issue that

drives there the drive to support as if this was a natural kind of development natural kind of development and i don't quite see it that way i think a lot will depend on how the mainstream parties react to this kind of challenge and i think if the mainstream parties are smug they're not going to sort of play the game of those challenger parties but they're going to try to you know whistle to their own tune and if the mainstream parties do that then you know this will be sort of a this will be a sort of a temporary development but if they don't i think you know we might have seen a view a transformation of german politics but i want to reno remind us of one thing and that's even though there has been this fragmentation. what has remained incredibly stable in german politics is the relative weight of the two blocs if you want to cut the political spectrum down the middle specially in bavaria to the left of the spectrum has the same rino just about the same electoral share as it did in the

past about forty percent a little bit more little bit less and so does the right if you have you know the f.t.p. and the c. is you in the f.t. together so there has also been this is this moment of stability in german politics that we in the bavarian politics of but have a vision for get i think we should also talk about the social democrats maybe not tonight but definitely in the days to come and so have you that you mentioned that you know because we've actually we've heard from the major parties so far in bavaria we also heard from the social democrats i understand i'm hearing from my producer that andrea novice s.p.d. party leader has spoken is what you have to say. because the option i agreed with his reasons. that the s.p.d. did so badly in this election is something we need to analyze very carefully on all levels certainly it would seem we were unable to convince the electorate and that is certainly one of the reasons why we didn't do so well in the elections is the poor performance of the grand coalition here in berlin we have not managed to

write. this week in god guess or hours of the debates that we've had between the parties in the grand coalition so there was no support not enough support from berlin and i've just said a fair bit about this already one thing is clear this needs to change. if needs to change says the head of the s.p.d. party i mean they entered that grand coalition basically you know dragged screaming along the way. what do you make of what she has to say i mean this is this is now i mean this is now a national issue i think exactly i mean i think the social democrats the big loses tonight. they more than ten percent we're talking about the oldest party in germany we're talking about policy that was very reluctant to end to the national national government coalition and that had a referendum had a very very. harsh arguments were exchanged between harsh

words between party leaders and the youth wing that didn't want this government coalition and they've been proven right essentially the critics of this government coalition with uncle i'm actually yes but he has completely lost its profile and nobody knows what they stand for and you know you know they want to enter the opposition we now and in the last federal vote so i mean what do you think that this is now nationally the fact that we've we've basically heard it from her. i think it puts more pressure on the social democrats to continue to to to continue this also action they've been soul searching for a long time how do we react to this new start of politics. so how it might be their next move in the game of political chess if they do it well they will try to stay so for democrats which is not just a question of values and the question of policies with this mother not a question of talking about politics in terms of policies and programs not in terms

of symbolism but in terms of these are the challenges these are the issues that are on the table these are the problems that we need to solve and these are the values that we stand for and that's what was the just the solutions and this holds very technocratic it sounds almost boring and that's what social democrats are the they have exciting values and they have boring solutions for problems that are on the table and i think the show. shouldn't sort of the should make that mistake that some of the youth wing and some other in the party are making trying to sort of to copy in that case not the f.t. but a copy of the left party. but that's going to be very appealing kind of choice to some and i think if they make that mistake then it's going to be a big big so you have angle america with working with a reluctant coalition partner her sister party is the c.s.u. which has just had a major losses i mean are we on the precipice of political crisis here on the national level nina you know the big problem with this government coalition which. used to be called the grand coalition because it used to consist of the two most

important parties in germany then losing the stans all over the country we're seeing it the big problem is that there is a spate mistrust between the leading figures on the national level and i think there could be a crisis is any time a crisis can erupt between the party leaders between healthy or between americal and between and the so you know if they get through this crisis which is a bavarian crisis where the blame game is only beginning as we've analyzed then the next crisis is around the corner and so the big question for the social democrats will be are they going to stay in this coalition or not where does the german electorate fit into all of this moving talking a lot about the politicians right. i know you study you know political movements what motivates people to get out to the polls constantine i mean what must they be making of all of this well actually you know what viagra they are going up by thank . you know what the interesting thing is they are going that i'm usually making is

that it depends very much on what politicians do so usually a lot of people think about voters as a name of a structural is kind of way you know they're these massive changes and in the social structure of societies the voters sort of have this theme on the demand changes and then parties react to it and that's taking place in germany to some extent clearly but. what we have been saying here is also that it seems that you know based on just the issues based on economic wellbeing perceptions of economic satisfaction photos should never voted the way they did so i think it's more than not i think it's it's in a sense it's very much supply driven it's very much driven by what parties say which are the most important issues on the agenda and that i think is a very very important drive has been a very very important driving force in this policy direction the party said it's by gratian and so the voters said it's migration and then they voted on that basis if you want to you know good use of make it very very really interesting to see this you know this decoupling of the vote from economic issues i mean this is this is

really a concept also when it comes to the german social safety net right i mean this is one of the reasons why germany has such a strong social safety net in order to you know have have have a strong electorate that the people don't feel this sense of disenfranchisement you actually gauge the mood of the country and i know you went around the country in a van for a month ahead of the federal elections. what do you see as the main sort of hot button issues that voters are voting on right now in the country so interesting last year when we went out on the road migration wasn't really a big topic because many people said well it's been it's being dealt with you know it was here and it doesn't work that but over ole we've dealt with this and you know we're sort of we're ok with it the overarching topic was affordable housing no matter where we went nationwide was coming up on the agenda now and i'm really

happy to see this you know that politicians seem to have understood that this is a big topic that needs dealing with incentives it's not only about the economy it's not only about migration it's really about so much more thank you so much to both of you we're going to have more coverage i know again at the top of the hour but in the meantime we just like to remind our viewers you have been watching the news live from birth. and there are elections special on the pivotal vote in the german state of bavaria where early projected results after bavarians voted in state elections suggest the decade long dominance of the conservative c.s.u. party is over polls show their support sound bite more than twelve per cent while the greens are the big winners with support up by nearly ten percent making them bavarians second strongest force within the state government the results of today's vote could further rattle angela merkel's fragile coalition government in berlin. and with that you're up to date now here on news i'm sarah kelly in berlin don't forget continuing coverage online

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