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this is the w.'s live from berlin britain's prime minister makes a last ditch appeal for parliament to save. face it's not passed tonight if this deal is not passed. however own attorney general has raised doubts about whether it's reason marries old to divorce deal with the european union actually changes anything bring your expanded coverage of the vote which i'm sure you'll to start and.
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i'm still go welcome to the program after a day of political drama britain's parliament is about to vote on whether to accept prime minister teresa mayes bret's its deal is to decide whether the united kingdom leaves the european union on the terms mrs may has agreed with brussels or enters another period of uncertainty as it stands observers believe the prime minister does not have the votes and is on course for another defeat many of her own conservative following terence are expected to join the those from the labor opposition and other parties involved in the deal down only yesterday mrs may made a last ditch appeal warning lawmakers that voting no could result in the u.k. never leaving the e.u. those speeches you see that are from the chamber in the house of commons up above which have a m p's there on the to vote so votes has started let's go to let's bring in our breath. alex whiting go for. first oh well let's. talk us through what
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is going to happen we just saw the pictures of these firing out of the commons chamber where they're going what's happening in the next five years so this is a very old fashioned system that takes place in the u.k. parliament m.p.'s so let's just bring up those pictures now of what's going on in parliament so we can see what's going to employ m.p.'s are leaving the chamber of the house of commons to go and see the speaker of the house of commons shouted division which is the cue for them to leave and to vote they have around about fifteen minutes to do that and they literally file one by one through either the i be that's the yes lobby so that those to be the m.p.'s who are supporting to resume a still and the no lobby those m.p.'s who will who are not supporting her deal and just for the drummer of bass in about eight minutes the speaker will shout lock the doors that is eight minutes to allow m.p.'s who may be near to the house of commons
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but not in it get in there to vote if they are not there within eight minutes then the doors are locked and they're not able to vote so it is a quite a dramatic situation that goes on when and piece of voting particularly for something as important as tonight now today does not look good for the prime minister it doesn't look good it is likely well pretty much expected that she will be defeated tonight on the bricks it deal if you remember back in january she was defeated by a majority of two hundred and search the votes that was an enormous defeat the biggest in british political history it is likely that she will be defeated probably people are saying by as many as one hundred fifty votes tonight she was obviously hoping that she was going to persuade particularly those m.p.'s on her own side within the conservative party to support a deal but it has. pretty much played out today that those m.p.'s those bricks it
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is those hardcore euro skeptics are not able to support and that is particularly over one particular issue which is the northern ireland back stop trying to prevent a hard border between northern ireland and the republican violent and they don't like the mechanism that is in place to avoid. yet again being put in place across the island just to reclear the fifteenth of january your fifteenth the general public voted against this to you mrs berry has got off she's changed she's gone back to brussels and last night to strasburg to try and get some changes and particularly to this so-called irish backstop as i just explained this is to prevent a hard border across the island of ireland now she was hoping that in some way she could get legally binding assurances that this backstop if it was to be triggered
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would not keep the u.k. in a customs union. and that is what the m.p.'s on the right of her party do not want to happen she went there last night it looked possibly that she'd got some legal assurances that may be over though they weren't going to reopen this withdrawal agreement they were going to be it was going to be a way in which the u.k. could come out of all of that back stop if it came to that point however today her attorney general said the top legal mind in government made a statement and then spoke to m.p.'s himself and he made it very clear that although it reduces the risks it does not eliminate the risk that the u.k. could still be too closely bound to the e.u. in the future and that is why the m.p.'s in her own party and also those ten do you pm piece those northern irish m.p.'s who prop up. minority government
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a saying that they cannot a vote for this deal they cannot support that and that is why we can be pretty confident that yes again it will fail tonight then let's hear from some of the voices in parliament on this historic day i was going to say it is the most historic days but we have lots of historic days when it comes to break that let's start with the prime minister here is the prime minister in a day full of drama her voice was a bit croaky here she is in full do mongering mode despite having their voice. i believe it is absolutely important imperative for this house that we meet the decision that was taken by the british people in june two thousand and sixteen that we deliver on that referendum and that we deliver brecht's it for the british people and as i say there is a danger is the failure to agree a deal that actually could end up in a situation where we have no bricks it. so the headmistress was giving the school a talking to but the noisy boys at the back were having done it is the prime
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minister's former foreign secretary and presents trouble maker in chief boris johnson. absolutely vital that we retain our freedom of religion but i believe your. rule out there deal with except to compound young certainties of business now is the time to speak up to the hague is what we are free to call me in the world and second because if you call it nature by many counts most influential prove that to force your view and to accept what i believe would be a humiliation i do support nation of our people. so i look for as to why saying bush doesn't the makes a good speech but he doesn't necessarily have all of the brigadier's behind it that's right so we've talked about those brick cities and her own party the members of something called the the european research group and they are led by somebody called jacob reese morg now that group they have their own legal advice is who made
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a decision today that they didn't think that the british should support maze dale however they've held a meeting this evening and it seems from what we have gathered from that meeting that they're all that it that they're not all going to vote against it there will be some who will support reason may still because they all concerned about what reason they said that brics it could be delayed it could possibly never happen somewhat boris johnson saying quite happy for that to be a no deal breck's it so to just as they say crash out of the e.u. altogether others say no there is too much risk for business and for where the u.k. economy is going to go one of the people who could well support dale is the former secretary david davis now that would be very interesting to see secretary number one say he was secretary number one he left because he couldn't support had dale he
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didn't feel happy with the way in which the e.u. was negotiating and was particularly unhappy about this. the so-called backstop so he has indicated he may well support today and also another twenty two conservative m.p.'s who voted against a deal back in january also saying that they will be supporting a deal tonight i thought is interesting which is why we can say that it doesn't have to feet will be anything like as big as it was back in january but it will still be a defeat because we know that the labor party on the whole i'm going to fight against ok alex forrester watching stay with us if you will we come to know across to london and to brussels where we joined i did only correspondence barbara faisal in london max hoffman in strasbourg welcome both let's start with you barbara faisal in london what has been the mood today.
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oh the good mood of course is quite boisterous behind me because they have all come back out to breakfast cheers to say we want bricks it and when do we want to know and there's chanting like in a football stadium in the back and of course the intrepid anti protesters here sort of the waving about their blue and yellow flags as they've been doing for months you have to mark these people just fold their steps because the rain or shine they've come up here every time been tolerant was sitting and was discussing bracks they are still trying to push the country towards a second driver and they say we want to have a people's vote that's the way they call it we want to have a say say it all to want to britain should do now that's the only way out of the impasse and so like in a way you sort of separate but everybody now of course is waiting what will happen
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inside call them and how big the defeat the that will very likely and almost. sort of automatically will happen now how big the defeat factories of may is going to be and what of course will be the next steps ok so as you've been talking about we say that that's coming back into the chamber so we could get a result at any moment not software let's go to you instruct but bearing in mind that we might cut you off at any second the. chief present negotiator michel barnier has entered the frights that i was in been saying all tweeting. yes has been talking about warning against basically the. house of commons to vote against this deal saying because they were talking about the transition period making it clear that weren't there to be a break without a deal then there is no transition period because the withdrawal agreement also
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regulates the transition period so that without a deal means that there is nothing really except for some regulations that have been put into place to make sure for example that. the u.k. gets certain medicines from the continent and also that aviation is regulated meaning that the planes can land and start on the continent to go over to the british isles so he's been warning against what he thinks is a very worrisome development at the moment. so no no deal no transition period but next tell us about this new amended deal is it very different to the same to the deal that was rejected in january. well amended deal is misleading really because the actual deal which is the withdrawal agreement that's been negotiated for so long has not been touched the e.u.
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twenty seven all always categorically refused to reopen that because. you know once you open that you also have to reopen questions like the status of gibraltar and and other very complicated matters that had been settled so what they produce now are a couple of new documents trying to explain what's actually already in the with raul agreement highlighting some of the provisions that are that are in there and it's you know most people here at straws were share the opinion of the eternal journey general cox who said that this well from his perspective improves. the what the u.k. was looking for being able to quit the so-called backstop so this insurance policy between northern ireland and ireland if they wished to do so but it it really wasn't far enough apparently for many brought to tears so the documents itself and this was complicated the documents that were produced beside this with all agreement they are legally binding that's what he said but there is still
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a possibility that the u.k. wouldn't be able to pull out of this a backstop if the e.u. twenty seven doesn't say yes or doesn't approve it but proviso and in london country some may survive another defeat not that i can think of anyone who would actually want to jump in this situation but. it is difficult to imagine even among some senior chary there is now talk about this is the end off the line factories of night she has kicked the can down the road till she has now definitely run out of road not only on the value so i mean there is sort of jokes a way of being heard here today as she was really for ok and you want to hand her a glass of hot milk and honey while she was speaking in parliament not that that would have really swayed many off our opponents in her own party. but still there is a portion there have of course has been in the past again and again the push to sort of terminate her leadership say enough is enough they have exhausted the child's to
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formally sort of push her out afaf is when they tried before christmas bought of course if her cabinet sets down and says we have completely lost confidence in you then it's over for terri's make whether this will happen we don't know yet but it is a rather strong sentiment at the moment many people say now this enough is enough and she says some harness to step down we know she started she will have to be pushed but they might effect do it. much software in strasburg for now well we thank you i think we're minutes away from getting results and the house of commons in london and i will come but here to the suitors are alex forrest wising alex so the presumption is that serious amaze theresa may will be defeated today the size of the defeat though will be significant it will be significant so just looking now at following what people have been tweeting and what the labor m.p.'s have been
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treating it seems to be that they think it will be a big defeat than many were perhaps predicting before many one focusing will not one hundred seventy so a majority of more than one hundred seventy against head deal so we said you know that she is going to be defeated and we are just waiting for that if it is a significant number still not as high as that number in january but it will be very difficult for her to do anything else with dale i mean there has been talk today about the possibility of her trying to come back for a third time with that meaningful if you just squeezing of it just even with a bit more but at the moment if it's defeated tonight tomorrow we are on course to have another vote on whether m.p.'s will support a no deal. brix it if that is defeated which is it is expected to be defeated because we know that a majority of m.p.'s do not support a new job or exit then on thursday they're supposed to be
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a vote on whether there should be an extension to article fifty that means delaying breck's it which is something that the prime minister has said over and over and over again that she does not want to see happen so i mean everything will be to play for the possibility this talk of another general election of treason may half in to step down because her cabinet forced her to although we know she's very stubborn she doesn't want to do that i mean everything really then is is back in play when that happened so we are just waiting to find out now what how big that defeat will be and what we will see then is the speak about the man in the big chair at the back who will welcome the so-called teles they all the m.p.'s from both the conservative and and labor science who do a double check on what the official say of how many people have voted so they will be the ones that he calls on to say what the numbers are in terms of who is voted on i who has voted yes to her deal and who has voted no who has voted against it so
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very interesting to see what those numbers will be but obviously we're still waiting for for them to come back and confirm what those numbers of people vote since those votes is voting about the deal but two more votes you know do go in and on the day after possibly forcing an extension one of just do it while we were three very little very good question and there has been talk about tomorrow the possibility of it being where they've ruled no deal going straight into whether they extend to fifty whether they delay breaks a bit to be only still nobody knows what is going to happen we are in uncharted waters here anything could happen i'm sure that to reason they will have to make a statement to soon as we get that result and we'll have to listen very carefully to what she says and then the labor party will get the chance to respond to that but. remember there are many m.p.'s in parliament who want to take control of the process now they feel the government has failed they've given them weeks and weeks and will weeks to come back with
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a deal to try to persuade m.p.'s on both sides actually of this whole debate to support the deal. she you know she has failed and and if she does try to come back for a third time what else is she going to have to get out of brussels they've made it very clear that that last night was their final offer and that was it. the last time this issue came to the house on the fifteenth of january problem averted four hundred thirty two to two hundred two against one of the figures to be looking for today anything above one hundred is significant and there has been talk of it being as high as one hundred seventy five to that the majority of one hundred seventy five against her deal so they're saying that i mean certainly those are some of the numbers that are coming out anything above one hundred fifty there was talk earlier that it could be around about fifty to ninety to one hundred and the majority of
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m.p.c. vote against it but i think. from from what we're seeing from what we're seeing on twitter and from what has been coming out of reports that that figure will be higher than one hundred so we are talking about a three ficca no northern democrats secure universe are key to this not just in the number of votes that they hold but in the influence they have with tory m.p.'s many of whom have said well if very ok with it we're ok with it and then they weren't ok with it they had discussions about it to legal advice and felt that what came back from strasburg last night to the theresa may saying that she has got these legally binding assurances that the u.k. will be able to unilaterally come out of this so-called backstop if it is treated there. we feel that that is not the case and certainly that was confirmed by the top government legal experts jeffrey cox he is the u.k. attorney general who said that although it was
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a political judgment and he would be supporting the jail and that he said it that it would reduce the risks for the u.k. it did not eliminate them and here we have it. only this is what you get anywhere near them. so you could just announcing that someone should investigate but delayed so i would say it's not just us it was. concerned about the delay in the tell us coming forward with the results of this vote a very crowded the chamber that we're looking at here in case you just joined just you're watching news life from. that is the scene inside the lower house of parliament the house of commons in london where m.p.'s have now voted this is the second votes on the issue of britain's withdrawal from the european union the last verse the government lost i've used to tell us not standing don't think should be the tether it's like we're about to get
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a result so let's let's listen into what's going. on with with the having to wait very very heavy they make calls they love it this or that selves so this is that stupid. the eyes to the right two hundred forty to the nose to the left three hundred ninety one. the noize to the right two hundred forty two memos to the left three hundred ninety one so the nodes are the no use i'm not.
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going to work out the results of the big big issue we're going to hear from a series of my partners. on a point of order to speak out i profound to the decision that this house has taken to it i continue to believe that by far the best outcome is the united kingdom believes the european union and orderly fashion with the yeah and that the deal we've negotiated is the best and indeed the only deal of the yeah but it's to speak i would like to sit out briefly how the government means to proceed to reeks ago i made a series of commitments in this dispatch box regarding the steps we would take in the event this house rejected the deal on a i stand by those commitments in full that force night we would table a motion for debate tomorrow to test whether the house supports leaving the european union without a deal on the twenty ninth of march the leader of the house will shortly make an emergency business statement confirming the change to tomorrow's business. this is
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an issue of grief borscht for the future of our country just like the referendum there are strongly held and equally legitimate fears on both sides for that reason i can confirm that this will be a free vote on this side of the. guy. and i have personally struggled with this choice as i'm sure many other room board members will i'm passionate about delivering the result of the referendum but i equally passionately believe that the best way to do that is to leave in an orderly way with a deal and i still believe that there is a majority in the house for that course of action and i'm conscious also. and i'm conscious also of might you to says prime minister of the united kingdom of great britain and northern ireland and to the potential damage to the union that leaving without city could do when one part of our country is without devolved
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governance i can therefore confirm that the motion will wreak that this has declines to prove leaving the european union without a withdrawal agreement and a framework on the future relationship on the twenty ninth of march two thousand and nineteen and notes that leaving without it to kill remains the default in u.k. and e.u. law unless this house and the e.u. ratify an agreement i will return to the house to open the debate tomorrow. and sake interventions multiple members and to ensure the house is fully informed and making this historic decision the government will tomorrow publish information on essential policy is which would need to be put in place if we were to leave that city this will cover our approach to tariffs and northern ireland border among other matters if the house votes to leave without a deal on the twenty ninth of march it will be the policy of the government to implement that decision. if the house declines to approve leaving without
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a deal on the twenty ninth of march the government will following that fate bring forth a vote on thursday on whether parliament wants to seek an extension to article fifty if the house votes when extension the government will seek to agree that extension with the e.u. and bring forward the necessary legislation to change the exit date commensurate with that extension but let me be clear so seeing against leaving without a deal and for an extension this not solve the problems we face. he will want to know what use we need to make such an extension and this house will have to answer that question does it wish to revoke article fifty does it want to hold a second referendum. or does it want does it want to leave with a deal but not this to these are an enviable choices but thanks to the decision
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that the house has made this evening they are choices that must now be faced yeah. for a lot of security colvin. all the news you need of the opposition defeated again by an enormous majority and they must now accept their deal their proposal the one the prime minister's port is clearly dead and does not have the support of this house. and quite clearly no deal must be taken off the table we've said that before i will say that again but it does mean the house has got to come together with a proposal that could be negotiated the labor party has put that proposal and we will put that in we will put that proposal again because the danger is the dangers of what the prime minister proposing a basically that we. she carries on threatening us all with the danger of no deal
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the danger of that knowing full well the damage that will do to the british economy this polity will put forward our proposals again which are about a negotiated customs union access to the market and protection of rights those are the ones we'll put forward we believe there may well be a there may well be a majority of all of them but there will also be the potential of negotiating and the prime minister's run down the clock on the caucus when run out on a maybe it's time instead we had a general election and the people who think you think government should pay a. point point more what point of order mystery in black furred. thank you mr speaker this is the humiliating defeat for the government to see things in this deal should not come back in any we cheat form again mr speaker people will once again be looking on at this parliament to get this government to
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disappear the next few days are the opportunity find money to take some essential steps to morrow we have the opportunity to to block any attempt to leave the e.u. without a deal and the prime minister must act as prime minister not as the tory party leader agreed her party until you stop the u.k. being dragged off a cliff and vote against the new deal rex's here as prime minister it is the duty of the government to act in all our national interests and not means no deal and then we in the scottish national party will be prepared to engage in discussion with the government on securing an extension to article fifty that is long enough to need all the issues to be put back to the people here this afternoon the first minister of scotland told the prime minister. in the event that the deal was voted
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down again we wouldn't give each constructively odd sensible proposals these proposals must include another e.u. referendum mr speaker can you advise on what you want sions or open to the house to bring these proposals forward swiftly and interest of time we have a responsibility to end the odds. so that was that in black years later the scottish national party and westminster so you've been watching the votes that in parliament we've heard the result and paste have voted to reject. deal three ninety one votes to two forty two a majority of one hundred and forty nine here with me in the studio is alex for us to whiting and in and in london we have provided so let's start with with you alex how bad is that one forty nine.
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