promise to. return to the concrete and glass jungle. sculpture. i. first. populist politicians have made fresh gains in the european union this time in the stonier where a far right nationalist party more than doubled its vote in recent parliamentary elections my guest this week here in tallinn is martin helm a deputy leader of the conservative people's party of his stony despite calling for blacks to leave the country he insists he's not a racist what is he then. martin

how many welcome to conference i'm. happy to be here you almost doubled your support in recent elections and you did it by pressing on fears and trying to. enlarge people's fears about being replaced by black search and black invasion that's not true. not true what you just said first of all we are almost tripled our affection in the parliament that almost doubled your seats from seven to nineteen and. we are not peddling on fears we are. another daily digitas people are being replaced with negroes that's what threw the father the chairman of the budget to see any difference with immigrants gross and i don't think so but that was a very myself and an opinion piece he wrote for as does it and doesn't really even

matter because as a matter words matter the well the point being that we don't want to be replaced in stone or with the four of us who's replacing you last year we saw for two consecutive years we have seen a very large influx of ukrainians russians belorussians mainly through work visas but also illegally we have seen tripling of the. exaggerated the fears of the slavs committee and told you no no no in july last year your party chairman told the story in public broadcasting that twenty two thousand ukrainians were coming to his throne every year yes as the interior ministry pointed out in response to that claim the actual figure was around five thousand six hundred a year no doubt that. as the interior minister says we don't even know because this is the official and other figure that is the official number but they don't even know how many people come in illegally and it is there you know no you know no no

but but we have and so you exaggerate it almost for an hour but we have an estimate which says that we have and we have we can extrapolate numbers from workforce from tax offices we have a general number which is somewhere between twenty and thirty thousand in one ear and also another number we have seen disputed by the gov it's the government. that is have access there's nothing to do that is one of the big yes actually we do have access to statistics and we gathered that statistics from different sources. this is one of the privileges of being in parliament you can. write. questions to different ministers to different offices and ask to to sticks and you put the numbers together but also i want to give you a number we've been told that there is no immigration to a stone and no no sizeable immigration to estonia from the third world. well it's

it's small compared to let's say finland sweden germany but within two years we have a tripling of nigerians in estonia let's look at the facts here with by march last year let's look at the immigrants who've been allowed into a stone here to the e.u. quote of. the gov by march last year the government had accepted two hundred and six migrants and the third time and even eighty eight of them weren't even in the country so last march you had to cope with the massive figure of one hundred fourteen immigrants brought to you to see of the good list quota system so on the basis of these figures you claim indigenous astonied ends up being replaced by black people not just by bad as in terms of jazz but that there are two things we don't as a class but i'm just talking about the migrants well it doesn't make any difference to us this is a guy explosion a little sorry this does not make any difference whether they are from hugh crane

or from nigeria it's a matter that they are not estonians and but i am sure my son generating well if you. don't know we are not in the union has set a cap on my reasons our usual average of government is lying or not the government doesn't know what its doing but the proof of most of the human easy to say government like government does has admitted on numerous occasions that they don't even know how many people have come from ukraine over the past few years they just don't know and then they say but officer figure is here well sorry the official figure doesn't cut it but i wanted i wanted i wanted an important issue estonia together with latvia is a country in europe with the highest number of immigrant people overall we have once thirty five me. it's one third one third is not a stony and now this is the backs you particularly noticeable. nope i said it in

twenty thirteen if you're black go back and i want to stone me and to be a white country these were your words in turkey thirteen television talk show here . but i we were roundly condemned by other politicians including the human rights group here in parliament but eighty percent of stern and we had a there was apologists own eighty percent of its tone and agreed with that statement so take it as this convention presented with a stone and you would have been but you would have won the elections you don't win the elections you came third we did very well but i want to us about this this and this. is and what isn't and i believe. we will get to the racism issue but this was back when i wasn't a politician in an elected office i was a talking head in a commentator show you have sold your views have you know exactly so what's the relevance of the lower the relevance is that when you've been paid as

a talking head you are allowed to say things out or actually you're expected to say things out in a more up front so you will obviously you want us to be your fans if you are as black go back and as the human rights group in parliament pointed out at the time a call to treat dark skinned people differently from others is an ambiguously racist view what is racism in europe nowadays is the replacement of indigenous people that is pure racism and we don't have to agree to that you described in the interview to me where on the grounds of the no i don't see the we don't we send you on change your views if you're black go bad as i just explained to you there is no difference to us whether they come from ukraine or nigeria or from any other part of the world i wouldn't like a stoner to be replaced with swedes either i just don't want that i want estonia to be estonian and that is as simple as that and if people say that refusing to

partition. hate in an ethnic. collective ethnic suicide is racism then that word has no meaning left a massive influx of immigrants you said would lead to pillaging and raping of a stone in town as it is migrants can i just ask the question how many migrants from shown themselves to be rapists and religious as you've suggested that we are where we are talking about weighing whether even with the tiny numbers that you just pointed out we have two cases of syrians in jail right now for trying to in light their wives so into so it's turned their bits to two you've tired that is that is what i show and raping and pillaging is one percent so that the user is wrong does it deny that there is a massive massive problem with criminality in sweden finland germany u.k. but also our failures by what other figure that is brought in by immigrant muslim nami you paint in there with brushes with what is what other singers what are the

figures what are the percentages of migrants who are involved in drama i don't know the course i do but i don't have each of us predators but in in norway the rape ratios have gone up thousand fold that's not a phenomena thousands of all who says a grown up without the numbers figure there is a norwegian statistic says to us your. thinking strange facts i mean do you know do you just come out you you pluck numbers out of thin air it's a big lie do you it's a big no no i block the figures from the government i give the go you trust the government oh wow ok so you don't trust the go you have your alternative facts or you don't have just like donald trump i don't trust i don't just think that you should trust the government there is a reason why opposition exists and that is to hold the government to the standard no you know we are going there government the fit is with numbers you point that

out you are like the trump playbook of. putting your own facts forward i lace placed on the i like trump that's a specific speaking of donald trump your holding out your hands for a billion dollars in military one but you know why why should we bother with you do you know the budget the united states. spends on military aid in one year tell me it's fifty one fifty two billion a year no it isn't that's over forty years it is forty seven forty eight billion i checked that fact as you well know forty seven forty eight billion over the last forty years they spend a lot of money on it so no mind it's only fifty five it is fifty dollars not billion by our account i don't know we don't you're doing your accounting then your accounting is wrong this is these are state department figures on this is the number that our military experts have told us this is the number that doesn't always necessarily leaves united states because they usually support their allies

by basically buying their own military equipment from their own military complex and then giving it to their allies or even more so by bit buying new military equipment to the united states army and giving the old one to the allies one show why surely doesn't have to leave united states why why should the us believe you money when black american troops in the to unify. back in twenty fifteen were racially abused on the streets of york not true not go back to your grandparents and nigeria not this was the comment that was a child to the and this was a fake news this has been proven to be a fake news total fake news yet so toxic news the fake news and it was fake news when madison one of your people said oh if they're worried about being. on the streets they should wear their uniforms so this is not an fake mass not sampras's i know that's not fake news that was

a comment taken out of context everything is taken out of context and because the media is extraordinarily hostile towards us so now you have the victims i know you know we can be turning up we're not arguing something that you said and maybe it's a little bit we as a victory as this in there of dissent from a certain counties are going to fight us we're never victims they're fighters but fighting for their stone and people are you fighting for a stone in people by trolling and using false names for articles i mean one moment you're the victim of press heris menton press lies and now we discover that. you're setting up fake facebook accounts and challenge. there was a one that specificity is no no no no martin have a little christina and i answered that there was one single particular case of one of our members sending an article an opinion article to

a left leaning newspaper which trashed our party and he wanted to prove that a left leaning newspaper would publish anything that trashes us without any regard who sent it or who it isn't without know without any background checks and he was right any other trolling no one has any proof that we are doing any massive trolling what my mom had to do where you had to lie about it when it first came out the party did know about it the pi lied about this sort of not untrue the party was not informed about and they said it wasn't true here because we could have said we don't know where you can happen so you lied about it no we didn't lie about it the ethics ombudsman to the istana public broadcaster called this fraudulent activity he said if any attempt is made to influence public opinion under a pseudonym this can be justified on the grounds of freedom of expression rooted in fact public decision i will be on the green with them but i know and i'm very serious because people write on the pseudonyms all the time people write and all

the time doesn't make a. well if we all do it why we are singled out but where there is no proof and there is no real there is no real operation on our part to have a massive army of trolls what we do have is a very motivated and quite large. number of people in facebook who support us wholeheartedly and do it under their own name in january you called on the police to do more to contain all the people who were attacking and threatening the whole party. do you think we shouldn't do think we shouldn't report and then transit war in july interesting that we're the ones who shouldn't report death threats and you warned you might take measures into your own hands or did you mean well for instance we have to we actually have had to hire bodyguards for top people in public events because we're not sure that the police can handle

it you've been associating with the so-called soldiers of odin. the immigrant group founded by man who was we have to have. yes well first of all what i want to say about soldiers over there and. this is not a group that this is a bogeyman for the left. they have done nothing wrong why should they be demonized but we have no official ties to the whatsoever for they have appeared in the number of rallies attended by your party torchlight procession to marcus the song this is a public where this is a public governance why shouldn't they be their fair patriots as we walked in forces no you can order no no we are not ready sixteen the prime minister thought so he said in the republic of a stone or no and order is in force by this tony and police self-proclaimed gangs don't increase the stone in people's sense of security in any way rather the opposite well it was

a political debate where the prime minister and then prime minister was trying to score political points but again. something you would never know another was this is something that everyone does that's my point but demonizing patriotic people who are concerned very concerned about the public safety is it below a prime minister you demonize judges tend to demonize no i don't demonize as i tell you i do so don't see my religious who do politics human who did that three talent circuit court judges women female judge should be fired should be fired absolutely wanted their heads to roll here that's an expression of this because the church is allowed a same sex marriage to be entered into the register a little it directly breaking a stone your law by doing that and you set out to threaten them i set the they sure were significantly and so threatened i said jewish people are no judges they have broken the law and they have actually done something much worse they have wandered

into the territory of parliament and they should not be allowed to continue being judges you know i still say that throw democracy want more democracy i want to go around threatening people that you disagree with i want to through time as it is really think that. churches should be able to break laws and make laws that they like then we have a very different opinion what the democracy your blinds were condemned by the chief justice of the supreme court and the president both condemned your statement here you remove the march liberals you it doesn't matter does or doesn't but of course it does and liberal arts are mostly wrong though because they let you all know that magically bush ition they like this is situation but their decision was a political decision judges should not be making laws this is breaking the separation of powers they are absolute they are a disgrace to the office and you didn't mind the fact they were women this world is

who you said i want a threat to be heard from this rostrum i want their heads to roll because it cannot be that some women this is very dismissive of women is that some women come together and just change dystonia northwood you've reacted differently the judges have been men no problem i don't see you on our show no not show i mean i would probably have used some other dismissive but my contempt towards those people is still the same the contempt was enlarged by the fact that they were women was no that's your opinion that's not that's the you just assume it. your face says something else you are i want to protest this i am married man i have four daughters what does that i have to do my having a mother got to do with only daughters i have two sisters i have utmost respect for women i have never haver cheated women with anything but respect but i do not

like when judges think laws into their own hand. you had a good election results matter how many but in the end it still wasn't as big as you wanted was it not as close you didn't you didn't win the election you overestimate your appeal i don't think we expected expected or ever expressed that we expected to win the elections even by scaring people people are scared anyway let's go look at the first week in january this year your father the party chairman warned of a dire international plots that the set of confederation of leaders we're aiming to turn the united nations into a world government by twenty thirty this is what donald trump stands against this is what we stand against this with you this is nonsense that someone who doesn't have a shred of evidence to show that you have really not read the market treaty the markets treaty basically says that everything concerning gratian should be the prerogative

of united states. and i do nations so this is this is one of government by twenty third don't make any reason well you know i'm jane don't make any secret of their desire to pull power to you know there are lots of people who do lots of things you said that of one of government by twenty five this is a baltic ferry no no we are you know many evidently as we are sovereign ists we are against any attempts to take away power from the nation states you talked about a plot there isn't a plot is that how do you know oh how did oh how can you be sure what you're the ones who talk about it so you chuck any old nonsense into the mix and expect people to believe them there's no plot you haven't won a shred of evidence for that do you beg to differ i never see anything see i think the entire history of the united nations shows you that they are bent on taking polls so it's an intention. isn't the reason the pensions matter don't or isn't the

real plans where they come from. in reality a stone millions don't seem to care much at all about your plots and conspiracies do the coding to canda more published in the most last november the top fear among almost twenty percent of those polled was that radicals in populists come to power do for one second and the third fear was i'm talking about this as though you know what our second try citizen is those who cared about mass immigration twice and the second was immediate. right third third ok but the first close they left out of the facts and right i can't remember any poll that was done in november but the point is that immigration was all also in top of those concerns and you don't share your views about a lot of things the e.u. for instance you know views about the e.u. . conducted showed that a massive seventy five percent of the stone ians agree that the showing an area has more value to some disadvantages for your making you making

a simple mistake we don't go by the polls we do what we do because we believe in it and only go by that and we mobilize enough people to support our course and we don't care who is against us what matters is what the support for us is of course when we get twenty percent there are eighty percent who don't vote for us but that's the logic of every party the one who just won the parliamentary election as if seventy one percent of the seventy something percent is against. you're out of touch with the mainstream then aren't you we are the mainstream and we don't really we are the mainstream minister of our king of the e.u. accused of using years of becoming totalitarian hasn't it hasn't it quite a good point i personally most people don't like european union that all look modeled on logic really seventy one percent were very or fairly optimistic about the united search on the other sixty six percent agreed the e.u.

was a place of stability in the troubled world that sounds very much as though they like and who who commissioned that poll you're a barometer you know exactly how this is not only negative there's a lot of negative union asked as i got in there did you like us there is a consistently also nothing was i wrong no no no but you get in there are three what you why do you question your economic figures. not there's no doubt about them of the twenty seventeen. member of the european union your g.d.p. grew by a massive four point nine percent that's a good result inside the e.u. . but inside the e.u. has been good for your economy not a question as of course it hasn't i mean really the point nine percent growth in g.d.p. isn't the good result did you didn't notice to twenty percent drop during the two thousand and nine and ten twenty percent. and what you think i own two other countries doesn't but now doesn't now and european union has no business but you

have to hark back to the g.d.p. growth this european union this fall prevented france it's european union has nothing to do with one of the fastest growing we can't have it all of the way in you're going to have your harking back to figures ten years ago here but ten years we were here in the middle of a class where the recession and it was in my sisters and seven there was a very good global year for growth as well i mean you can't have it both ways we were in your opinion in ten years ago and we were we were a country the most with the most horrid loss of g.d.p. everybody lost yeah but they lost most everybody we were the we were the worst in the indian people. but let's bring in economics to say you really want to say there is a. european union is stable in your mind so they're saying we see a different world you say it's like the soviet union exactly which is exciting to those countries know was included here that lived i remember actually happened to

remember the soviet union and i had some particular smiles and says no it isn't who haven't lived under the soviet rule might not recognize the trends but the trends are unmistakable marjon oppression that characterized the soviet union did you not we do not know if you wanted to. nudity been because you were saying the wrong things in public this is precisely what happened this is going to. come to the house to handle this the same and the hellenists the. exactly did you do have you not noticed the people have been put into prison prison in european union for hate speech this is censorship this is the same as it was in the old i was talking about here was a star wars in the country who's most at home it's been good to have your. back. thank you time's up.

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