the result reverse culture shock. ready for the really strange i'm artificial it all is really connected to life. the prize winning documentary from the forest starts people first on t w s. most of the world knew her as the prime minister who gave birth while in office and brought her newborn to work her critics claimed lots of style little substance well that all changed last friday for new zealand prime minister just. the deadliest terror attack in her country's history fifty people killed tonight the world is watching the prime minister talk the talk and walk the walk keeping her compassion and keeping her word i bring gulf in berlin this is the day.

the mountain the flowers around the country that lie at the mosques the spontaneous song outside the gates these our way of expressing it out. sanctity means being freed from the fear of. being free from the fear of those seem to myths of racism and. they create a crisis we have violence can flourish. it brings things to one of us has to power to change that. music here is. a criminal he's an extremist he will win i think. also coming up islamic state has lost its caliphate in syria but not its hold on the minds of thousands of children tonight you'll meet the oscar nominated

filmmaker who lived with this the hardest undercover in search of a way to save the children of the caliph it before they grow up to kill. the father took the side from the moment he sunk his room in the team's union of sentiment. and that's mean that keith's in on his life he didn't have a choice. but to our viewers on p.b.s. in the united states and all the around the world welcome we begin the day with the names to be spoken and a name to be silenced and the face of a tragedy it has been five days since a gunman killed fifty people at two mosques in the new zealand city of christ church today a prime minister just into our value to never again speak the name of the shooter denying him the notoriety she says that he craved and killed for ardor has received praise around the world since last friday's shooting she has become the face of

empathy in tragedy thanks to what she has been saying but also because of what she has done and because of what she has worn twenty four hours after the massacre she stood in the center of a room full of mourning relatives and covered her hair and her decision to wear a whose job was seen as a powerful sign of respect to those muslims engulfed in grief and yesterday keeping her word is she met with her cabinet and secured an agreement to overhaul the country's gun laws a ban on semiautomatic weapons is expected soon and today she moved hearts by reaffirming her plans to keep the wives stolen at the center of her efforts and to deny the killer the attention that he sold in cold blood. i've said many times mr speaker we are a nation of two hundred if necessities one hundred sixty languages we open our doors to others and say welcome and the only thing that must change after the

events of friday is that this same door must close on all of those who espouse hate and fear he sought many things from his active tira but one was no shariah. and that is why you will never hear me mention his name he is a terrorist he is a criminal he is an extremist but he will when i speak be nameless and to others i implore you speak the names of those who were lost rather than the name of the man who took them we wish every member of our communities to also feel safe. safety means being free from the fear of violence but it also means being free from the fear of those seem to myths of racism and hate they create a place where violence can flourish and every single one of us has the power to

change that. as the prime minister of new zealand there i'm joined tonight by a man who knows jacinta arden's part of the world very well its politics and its people i'm happy to welcome you to the big table jeffrey life she's former us ambassador to australia and now chairman of the william fulbright scholarship board the fulbright of one of the world's most coveted and renowned international studies and exchange programs ambassador it's good to have you on the show you're in berlin this week for the fulbright commission's annual conference here in berlin and we want to talk about fulbright in just a moment but i'd like to talk to you first as the former ambassador to australia the gunman in last week's new zealand mosque massacres came from australia what went through your mind when you heard that. well first brant thank you for having me on and thank you for being a fulbright to yourself. what went through my mind when i heard the news i think i hope is the same thing that went through the minds of all decent people around the

world which is this is her effect act an act of. hate and violence and everything that we should be standing against and to hear the news. here in berlin. i think it just merely brought to mind berliner you know that we stand against those who are denied their respect their dignity their lives because of who they are and what they believe were you completely shocked that could be involved in what looks like a white supremacist terror attack well part of what was surprising about an australian being involved is that it's very difficult to get weapons in australia after. the shooting that occurred in one thousand nine hundred six there was mass shooting there and afterwards australia just of its laws and they haven't had a mass shooting since one thousand nine hundred sixty. but you know hate exists

everywhere you know and the ability to do harm to others. exists everywhere. you can't you can't blame. you know a nationality for for being criminals any more than being victims so marco's out toss try and so i think our hearts about this this one person's act you were ambassador to australia from two thousand and nine to two thousand and thirteen how often did this type of terror threat even come up in discussions i mean was it even on the radar at the time were were most fears synod on islam is here yeah i think in australia one of the one of the concerns was people being. radicalized and committing acts of terror you know in their in their home country going going to become a fighter and then returning with those fighters skills and turning in certain people and i think a combination of very good law enforcement but also

a very pluralistic society in australia has really tamp that down if you look at australia it's one of the most diverse countries in the world and they've had a very open and broad immigration policy for the last thirty forty years that fear was people going away afghanistan for example yeah coming back but it's imagined that someone you know in new zealand would be facing someone from australia who had been radicalized right now i mean you know unfortunately i think most of us don't don't sit around thinking of you know what terrible acts another person could do we try and go and live our lives and it's only when something like this happens that it gives us all pause i mean there but for the grace of god go any of us we've seen these these attacks happen in churches and synagogues and mosques you know you know the places that should be sacred places that should be safe and i think it forces all of us to confront the need to. to fight

hate ever we can new zealand's prime minister she has she's been praised for how she has handled this tragedy and crisis one reason is that she immediately called it terrorism and white supremacy terrorism i want you to contrast that to how the u.s. president responded when reporters asked him if he considers there to be a white supremacy problem around the world take a listen to how he responded. i don't really i think it's a small group of people that have very very serious problems i guess if you look at what happened in new zealand perhaps that's a case i don't know enough about it yet they're just learning about the person and the people in. but it's certainly a terrible thing terrible thing you know if you were ambassador of ulster you today how would you explain the u.s. president well. my personal views are different from presidents when you're

invested or you find you find a way to articulate a broader principles and not get bogged down in individual words but since i'm not the ambassador i'd just say yes way white supremacy is terrorism is a form of terrorism and it's just as bad. as any other form of terrorism and should be called should be condemned and if we are asked all the time especially in the last week why is it so difficult for the us president to be at least speaking to say it's to say what it is do you have an idea well look i think there were efforts from president obama was president to have him say particular words you know islamic extremist terrorism and he would talk about terrorism because he didn't want to start you know trying to stations between different kinds of terrorist terrorist terror but i think the the you know issue is

different approaches to to how you call this out but it's got to be called out and i have great admiration for how prime minister arden has as you know shown not only in her words been in her actions her commitment to this community of faith which is under attack around the world due to the topic of muslims migration islam is terror white supremacy extremism we know that it's politically divisive in australia i want you to take a look at what happened. and senator when he was asked about this type of terror in new zealand and australia take a look when when people are getting attacked in their own. video of course you know with around the world. i think there was you know

a go fund account set up for the you through the egg at the senator what does it tell you that about australian society today compared to when you were there as ambassador yeah well when i was a massacre there were a number of instances where people were cream pied another now as opposed to egged and one of the things i appreciated about australians is you know they are direct in their criticism and now and a cream pie to the face doesn't feel good it's kind of embarrassing on camera but it's not something that you would normally punch a teenager over and i've been very heartened to see the reaction of politicians across the aisle in australia condemning you know the senator saying look good it's all for you have an egg on your head but don't you know just start throwing punches and one of the things i worry about is this sense that toughness and strength are somehow demonstrated through violence the whole reason that we. you know develop

the institutions that we have is to prevent exactly that to resolve disputes without violence and so we need our leaders to role model that we need our leaders to show you can solve problems you know with words of this yeah let's talk a little bit about fulbright you had a us program designed to bring people together to cross borders to tear down walls as you said i was a fulbright scholar many years ago here in germany. how were how were you doing in this trump error of america first and also knowing that there are always there's always a threat of cuts to programs like fulbright. you know one of the one aspects of the redskins was saying that the conditions that created world war two and other great conflicts were based on fact the people didn't know each other and it's particularly during periods of distress where there's miscommunications and

tensions that you need to accelerate these programs so for is more vibrant than ever was after world war two there were twenty seven countries where we had bilateral programs now it's one hundred sixty three hundred eighty thousand alone so the hasn't been that there hasn't been a trump effect. that you can that you can really feel now and in fact in two ways one is that the senate in particular in the house have rallied around the program that's increased our budget because and to stand the importance of this program now and they're the ones who control the control the dollars i think the other the other thing that's been the. you know just an inspiring is seeing how many people are applying and how the program continues to grow i was just at the berlin seminar there are five hundred fifty. five writers from you know twenty different countries here in europe in the united states walk from germany it's our biggest programs it's right in the world and you know they're fired up you know they they they they

see a problem and they see a lack of understanding in the world and they want to get in there and do something it is impressive you were appointed fulbright board by former president obama have to as they have had you survived two years with president truong i mean how do you survive i'm not asking you to leave basically and we know we know how politics well they've been busy asking a lot of other people believe maybe i'm just a little lower on the left but no i mean i think the the work of fulbright is you know it doesn't it doesn't have a party it doesn't have an identity it's you know both parties support it both you know both sides of government even during a time where there seems to be a lot of polarization they get the value of this and so i think as long as i represent fulbright's values and stay there you know hopefully i get to continue to serve and. be inspired the way i have been here in berlin that continues as well

jeffrey bleich the chairman of the fulbright scholarship committee and former us ambassador to australia mr bush we appreciate you taking the time to be with us tonight thank you brant you make us all proud of the fulbright program thank you very much. so-called islamic state is all but the feeded in syria the future of many fighters and their families however remains unclear and that of their children as well many are traumatized many have received militia training in how to kill in his oscar nominated documentary of fathers and sons syrian filmmaker. reveals just how problematic it could be to rehabilitate the children of jihad is fighters. this is the jihad is training camp for children. to be unshockable.

to face death without showing any signs of weakness to become hardened minutes from a young age. some i was sent here by his father. himself. these images were filmed in northern syria not far from the border with turkey. the camp was run by the terrorist group. a group inspired by al qaeda the syrian filmmaker titled they came to the region to shoot the documentary of fathers and sons he spent over two years living with us samarra and his family gradually gaining their trust by protesting to sympathize with their course this gave an insight into the process that turns innocent children into jihad is fighters i want to understand. how it's happened how you become what you are who are those people how they look from the inside what is the courts what is

the thing. to brainwash to be. in some ways the family appears quite normal the children are boarded up in an environment where there's love and care but also radical religious education or samas father has been a member of the terrorist group for two decades he trains his sons to follow in his footsteps from their earliest years the intimacy of family life and the horrors of war are never far apart. the children's play time is also dominated by themes of war or violence one game involves playing with a makeshift bomb with even the youngest children involved. one day the boys catch him and kill it. we put his head down and cut it off like how you did it father to that man like this allah is great father inside from the

moment his son was born he named team member. and that's mean that the kids in all his life you don't have a choice. osama and the many other radicalized children and young men in syria have known little else in their lives but violence and will forced to leave their families to fight in japan they now face an uncertain future. and here with me at the big table is the maker of fathers and sons it's good to have you here in the studio. after seeing that i have to ask you is it possible to ever rehabilitate these children. i believe so i mean we have to forget that it's not their fault all innocent in the low since the human being starved they are innocent if they are this community you want them to follow this

or to be a soldiers for their projects but this is not their field their broken limb this is not their mistake they are able to if really they find the warm heart of they find something to get in there is a treatment absolute and this is you can see in the film through the i'm and how he managed to run from the from the sharia. and then is to be in the normal school after many years but you know that means they have to have to be taken out of that environment right absolutely does that mean you know we hear all the time there are tonight there are thousands of children if you were in the custody of of islam. state but are now in the custody of military forces in syria for example they're basically orphans right now right and they're looking for families that mean that

if they are if they find a family they are in the west then the chances are good that they can lead normal happy lives believe there's a big process before this is if the as the believed they could should be on the third place you go in the in the in a b. or order city i don't know which country can do this they and professional people can take care of them they do cation they should be also and other old who are really feeling the they feel secure with them they we should create all these all this concept that they can find really the tenets of barents for for them and and you would not believe how they get change quickly you know it's true children are very resilient very flexible and have you have you found. a demand since you put this film

a demand from people who want to help these children have been if you see that increase i mean it's there's a lot of people but with this case it's more political it's more a global issue of the government to give the permission and. decide that to take steps like this to take those guys should take because they are for example if they are german or french or whatever they have really to to find the profession and find the freedom in the right solution and they did then we never faced something like this before and then we really we need to show the difference between us and the vis where there were you know we hear all the time that there's just fear that if these children are not rescued they will grow up to be. the next generation of jihad is that true it's not about jihad i mean they can still have the influence of violence to be more nervous to be more violence when they grow up but this is

also can be there's a treatment for this but jihad as an ideology from my experience should bring don't belief it it's given to them by it's given because they don't have other options they don't want to know they believe this is the whole world and they don't care it's not it's not funny it's not for them it's not with any symbols thing they're attractive to them than jihad the idea and you were you know with the people in this town the same two years right if you are basically they are undercover if they thought that you were one of them. how did you do that i mean were you afraid that they were going to discover what your true intentions were i mean they would have killed you then right i was afraid but the world from the beginning like i prepared old what does need to be there i have an axis on the ground i was already there with more like me like

a different group not that much radical and when i found a beer soon who can with me in contact with those people i went there i just behave exactly as they won't like to behave because they don't understand look they're the only accept you if you exactly like them if you follow their myth and follow that crazy idea so they this is the only way to be close to them for that long time and to make it you from. every single moment and this is what i was there because all of us we need to understand who are those people what is the brainwash what is the motivation of the very much as this is a duty it's not just a group of people you can get through the foot and it's and it's move as a sickness as a cancer from the rest. bass when i want to ask you before we run out of time do you plan on doing another film maybe going back or maybe trying to find some of these children let's say in ten years and see what's happened to them is that

something you could imagine doing i can do but and upcoming two years i need i need to be so in this to like recover from this experience and it's been more it's been tough on you right yeah i mean it's a nightmare i name it's a nightmare so i capture my nightmare through the room without any violence it's about social life but i've been there closing groups so it's still like but it's in my mind to go through all of these well we appreciate you coming in tonight and sharing this with this and the film is fantastic and just that's a good reason gentlemen just right so good luck with that and if you do another come back to see if so logically thank you very much. well the day is almost over but the conversation continues online you'll find us on twitter either at u.w. news or you can follow me at break off t.v. don't forget to use the hash tag the date and remember whatever happens between now and then tomorrow is another day we'll see you then or.

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