don't. seem. to be. discovered. subscribe to. documentaries. britain's foreign secretary has warned of breck's it paralysis in the u.k. but there are frantic efforts underway to prevent bad happening my guest this week here in london is nigel mills a member of the pro bracks it european research group which has consistently campaigned for a tough deal with brussels tougher than the one currently on the table or no deal at all last week though mr mills changed his mind and decided to support to resume

may's agreement are the diehards finally calling it a day. by generals welcome to conflict zone thank you have you finally accepted that the european union is not going to blink when it comes to the deal on the table they finally mean what they said this is the only deal with the body has not changed substantially since november aside for some clarification so i think we have to accept that slimy the likely situation i think you could rule out them trying to help the prime minister at the summit by offering a few or clarifications or a couple more legal interpretations but i have him substance there is going to change in the state so your colleagues in the european research group fundamentally underestimated the didn't the. well i think it saying it was going to blink i mean

we had this return to britain didn't we the e.u. will blink at the eleventh hour but we're not there yet we need to hold our nerve they were never going to blink ever estimated only a shooting abilities in our situation were estimated them but r f i think we i think any of us when we set out on this after the referendum thought we end up in this situation of you know having no idea what the future partnership is being asked to sign a transition which restricts our partnerships and you not not really have anything in return for it but no i think the have held firm to their position that that may not have been a sensible tactic for them we haven't quite know how the next week or so will go you know we still haven't agreed a deal we still haven't agreed an extension you know there's still scared to ratify do you agree that the government agree the deal you agree it doesn't haven't gone through parliament to mean that's the key thing but this that this idea that the e.u. always blinks which we've heard from many of your colleagues this it was a fundamentally force assumption wasn't it that somehow britain had equal cards

with the e.u. it didn't never did in this negotiation i think once it became clear the government weren't really serious about us leaving that a deal then we didn't have equal cards at that point your asking for something in you could almost take what you're given haven't you but though the is the largest trading group in the world they hold all the cards it's their club that you're leaving they will decide what rules apply should you wish to take advantage of some of the. privileges on offer with that club after i think what i thought we had in our manifesto eighteen months or so ago was that we wanted to create a comprehensive training arrangement with them they've agreed on those have come and in every one of those would be japan i'd be quite happy just to replicate the terms of that and we're asking them for anything that's the largest trading agreement in the world currently which britain is walking away from but he has signed with japan the largest trading blossom. the arrangement that we have with

the currently walking away from a political union with the european union not walking away from trading relationships i say we because he won't be able to take advantage of that deal outside the e.u. but we would create a similar one with japan i mean they've said they want to have various discussions it won't be the same for me to be someone but i think if you're. contention is that there was nothing here you know when we have to agree to anything you can offer us you know i think we would have been quite happy many of us to take your an agreement will you often other people who are further away who are less big market and we don't have a hundred billion pounds a year surplus which would have some cards to play think we've played them pretty badly the european research group seems to be now doing the blinking we're seeing former minister estimate say that she's going to vote for two reasons deal even david davis the former minister and now jacob riis mug says he's undecided he's the chairman of the group so the die hards are finally calling it

a day other while i waited for the deal last week so if i was a diehard i call it a day but you know i think you have to look at the facts as they are on the day you make your voting decision and near i don't like this there is still not a great situation to put the country in mr constraining ourselves in a way we we shouldn't be doing but of the options of now left the table we don't have a government until last week haven't said whether they would do no deal or not if a deal failed now made it perfectly clear that they don't want to do you know the apartment may be clear the parliament wouldn't approve and no deal breakers it so the choice is now the prime minister's deal or what looks like a long extension and i think it's clear to me that the deal is the better better boasting you talk about facts but it's been hard to sort of some of the fantasies that you broke city is sold to the public into only sixteen before the referendum hasn't really like the promise from david davis himself to have negotiated a free trade area ten times the size of the e.u. by the autumn of twenty eighteen where did fantasies like that come from like from

fantasy but. we voted to leave. they should have been able to have a constructive dialogue with you and we should be able to leave by now in future partnership but not on the basis was that hunters i mean my go go for instance that day after we vote to leave we hold all the cards and we can choose the path we want what was that when i was there was some people hopes wasn't it we could have chosen to say we'll leave without a deal here's a draft free trade deal take it or leave it we didn't used to play the cards in that way we've been trying to secure. the government been trying to secure what looks like a hybrid half in half out ration ship which the e.u. did think was cherry picking but you know reg city has sold fairy tales to the country if you sell the public a part i think we did i think i think we've resolved the vision of an independent country that can make you say in decisions that wanted to have a cooperative trading relationship with us and there is maybe i think people watching this i would be a little bit confused as to why the u.s. stock so long to the line that they can't negotiate the future arrangement until we

left and what people wanted us to do was leave and move into the new relationship seamlessly emacs's the crazy situation to say to your nearest market we would try to sell i won't even talk to you about your future relationship until you've actually walked out the door you know where the logic you know about one of things is driven to this simply don't know whether it's logical to to you it's logic it seems logical to them and again as long as they held although in here we are using leaving date without a deal in place with our law still being to leave that's not going to be you a thousand days of disunity among the tory party factional disputes fantasy promises and almost criminal failure to consider the. good of the country and the national enquirer i think everyone can look and see but a little i think everyone just in for the good of the country in this feeling the single biggest reason we've taken in more than my lifetime and probably from a decade of anybody in partner's voting for anything they don't think is in the national interest and i don't i mean that's just

a free and fair thing to say well if they had been working in the national interest we would have seen people ready to compromise ken clarke the. father of the house that the public holds the house of commons in near contempt for the fusion they see not only is opinion polarized here lots of factions are pursuing their own preferred ways but the public are even more polarized than at the time of the referendum he's basically saying look what you've done to the people of this country what you've done you confuse them you've polarized them and you want no result we had a referendum we thought implemented decision i think what many of us have been doing is saying we had a manifesto we went to the country here for a referendum and said here is our break that plan we will not be in the customs union we will not be in the single market we will agree a train they should be one of the new generations of the e.u. and that's going to run you should talk to the well during this period you talk to you argued amongst yourselves that he wouldn't talk to us until we formally triggered article fifty eight it wasn't possible to greaseman before we started that two year journey to q one but it was possible to associate with them it was

possible that the number of people throw away when you couldn't this not like conversation three years of factions inside the tory party arguing amongst themselves that's what the british public was treated to and as a result only six percent of voters see parliament in a good light now don't you hang your head in shame and that sort of figure i mean it's a terrible for you as a six for the sense approval rating this is really hardest decision anybody's have to tell you the most difficult negotiation no one wanted to be this drawn out you know i think that it is a. parliament reflects how divided the country is on this situation. given if you have never compromise you the people's representatives can't compromise and you haven't been able to compromise formers three years what are you doing in politics anyway i politics is supposed to be about compromise there's no it isn't a compromise most especially bass to him to principle the numbering decisions that the people take in a referendum so knowing when to leave them behind in the national interest

absolutely but i asked why i think most prigs it is have accepted we have to have a twenty one month transition which effectively results in staying in you for nearly an extra two years would take us to four and a half years after the referendum most of us accepted that we should pay some sort of divorce below even though. and nothing in that situation i think most of us would accept that a trade deal would have had some restrictions on what changes we can make to our own regulations i think we've been all manner of compromises made to put what we couldn't compromise on was not taking back our independence and being free to control our own affairs the irony is that your group the g one of the most divisive in many people's views actually probably still look for consensus in britain and in twenty seven to your former chair so elephant and as she was then described the group as supporting the government to deliver breck's it which works for everyone there are two broken promises in that statement on the first you were so intent on

supporting the government that you tried to get rid of the reason you tried to force her out and. since then you have fought tooth and nail to insist that only your bread was the real bricks so that was hardly in the interests of our whole country i don't think that's was it offered him and if you look through the history certainly since the general election of what happened in parliament you'll see that in the e.r. g. most members there lonely support of the government all the regs approach the tried to get rid of right is unknown but they won't let me finish or the whole time i got up and until the check is policy announced last summer which fundamentally changed the race and shit the promise was proposing for us to have with the new compared to what he promised in our manifesto moan which we won election which and which is the mandate and which were meant to be governing now that cause the first wave of resignations to break cities from the cabinet in that situation yet again there was no challenge to the prime minister everyone was clear we wanted to see a change in the policy not a change in the person it was only after but why did you always take it was only

a you were the only people who knew what brett's really meant the question in the referendum was should the u.k. remain a member of the european union or leave the european union that was the only question that the referendum but you since then have set yourselves up as arbiters of what the true bracks actually is full i think one have to take their own view on what it is but if you have i think what we've been doing it is trying to actually deliver the braggs that we promised people in a manifesto we had a general election on and if you can go to the country and say this is what we want you to vote for here's the vision that we have vote for us and will deliver that and then trying to lever something completely different that's not on liberal politics that's not principle politics and that in fact is effectively misleading the the the people so i mean it's easy it's regrettable with the prime minister chose to change the direction of the future nation ship last summer and that's what brought most of this problem around until then she had almost complete support from the g. and it was the people who wanted to remain here because in the problems in the party why did you change your mind and vote for two reasons well there are two

reasons that i mean i always say if the facts change you have to change how you very base them so that i thought some of the issuances she got last week which were legally binding. a clear commitment he wouldn't try and force us into something akin to star well that was important to me here many of your colleagues still cling to the view that this is a bad deal worst possible deal but i think we should be clear it's not a deal on the is it your group is very divided like every i think you are going out of fashion and you know this is not a great deal people are very worried about whether i should get in here we can leave i mean at least when you're in the you can trigger article fifteen leave it's not clear you can do that from the back that matter but there were some reassurances last week that the backstop would not enjoy the you have no intention of meeting jointly won't try and force in something that we didn't want to have if that's what parliament decides in future that and the fact that was very clear by the start of must rely upon would never agree to very very directly and there was a clear majority for an extension meant that the choices now are not between

promises deal improving the prime minister's deal having a no near benghazi or second referendum it's pretty clear now that the choice is leaving with a promise to deal in a few weeks time or having a very long extension more resistance is crumbling now or are you just fighting like ferrets in a sack well as it is reducing because you can see that you mean fifty others voted for the deal last we we didn't vote for it the first time it was very thought of clearly as a change in nigel mills this whole process as the britain enormous damage doesn't it in the specially to the health service when the pound sank after the referendum result n.h.s. finances were hit by a huge sums wiped off its balance sheet the collapse of the. the additional cost so far from bracks according to the british medical association an extra one hundred fifty five million pounds never admitted or factored in to your calculations was it why. the country voted to leave him out of. the history of the pound your exchange

rate has gone up and down but why but we still have one hundred fifty five eight million euros of the current i don't mean national economic growth is still one of the strongest in europe i mean i don't think you can say that it's pretty decision has destroyed our economy just from that i didn't say it is destroying the economy and saying i think if i was sitting down to the one organization that you painted as one of the great beneficiaries from bricks and we haven't left yet and you haven't evolved and one hundred fifty five million let me lead you to their costs well we spend you know we spent two hundred sixty billion plus a year on the n.h.s. i mean you can also sometimes i was so that's all fine and the national health service was to become one of the major benefits the royal college of physicians doesn't see it that way government's lack of clarity over how the u.k. is immigration service will work they say off the brakes it could leave the n.h.s. spending up to half a billion pounds per year on international recruitment again never factored into those something uplands that you might offer to the british problem of the

government half being clear on the timing of ration policy will be skills based people from all around the world are of the right skills and cost half a billion pounds of audio and international recruitment saying that's crazy this is royal college of physicians we are and i don't know just make it up in just my views on very that i suspect i'm going to tell you i mean there's no you just put these figures from c.n.n. to then i mean you were i think coming to work in h.s. will be hugely attractive people from around the world behind me we already have a lot of employment in the n.h.s. from countries outside the inside i don't think you need to spend half a billion up to three in the year following the referendum in the year following the referendum almost ten thousand european health care professionals quit the n.h.s. . by november twenty seventh in the number of e.u. nurses registering in the u.k. was down ninety percent fabulous result. doesn't design you remember the time it was very clear other explanations for why i put up some of that was a procedural issue the timing of the name pretty well but you know i think when we when we have a clear immigration policy based on skills if you know people who we need to come

he will be able to come here and work and we'll welcome them it's clear that n.h.s. and catheters will still need lots of immigrant labor when it's if there's no way we can train people in a short period to to feel like the problem is also in our universities cording to the royal society and i don't think anyone has suggested that they peddle fake news the u.k. could lose access to over a billion pounds a year e.u. research funding even with the government government's guarantees u.k. based research years and small or medium sized enterprises will lose will lose access it says the half a billion in research funding having an immediate impact on research underway in the u.k. a price worth paying feel because the government has been clear that we want to have continued be search cooperation with other not offering a we're big net contributor that are very not the result is another reason why we can't offer the amount of money that we need we need to do to a place that the royal society says it could take years to develop alternatives to the e.u. funding meaning that valuable research could be stopped immediately why don't you

accept that in the in the spirit in which it's given that i do want to i was funny i was all i would happily have this country research effort is going to i would damaged severely damaged i would happily there's no and anybody who voted to end research cooperation with the european countries will have unintended consequences just i'm not for that but there's no you more realise that this was going to be a no reason why we don't think we want you we want to research corporation much wider than twenty eight countries don't we so there's no reason why he should refuse to have us cooperate with them isn't it time that there was another general election here in the country needs to hold you to account doesn't it for the for the broken promises and the way that the whole e.u. negotiation has been conducted we had an election not that long ago people weren't too keen on to to have to have that one i'm not sure what to let. in the one in which you lost your majority in the one in which we got the largest share of the vote that my party's out in twenty something out those years ago lost a majority so it was a great result was it wasn't

a great result no but i think you can see when you vote share goes up from thirty six to forty four percent of the people we're. going to live in dawson and they promise to liberate that as well i'm not sure what a general election would change i mean what proposals would be for main parties be standing on what would people who then went to vote think they were going to achieve by the person they're voting for and it doesn't look clear from the opinion polls you wouldn't get a very similar component when you really go i think we need to fix it in this parliament in the obvious fix now is to vote the prime minister deal through and move on to the next stage of these talks and you can do that can you. well i think we can i think people will i mean that we've been strong and stable we're talking about the last elections strong and stable was what the prime minister promised in their election campaign we've seen anything but strong and stations thought we've seen weak vacillating we've seen divisions we've seen you saw at election time on the basis that he needed a strong majority to deliver on something a difficult as briggs in public didn't give us that strong majority there's

a growing view that your party is because of the disagreements and the tensions over europe which go back decades in your party that it's a luxury that this country can no longer afford i have recognised those words i mean the issue of europe has divided the country not just one party ever since we joined and before that. but the people decided they wanted to leave and we should deliver that if you look at the opinion polls my party is still enjoying healthy lead in most of the opinion polls i don't think you can say we've become some people don't want any more. whatever happens with bracks it's going to take years to find out the true impact of it isn't that i mean most economists who look to the post-breakfast future didn't have much good to say about it you in your group you pinned your hopes understandably on one academic who did a man called patrick min for it from cardiff university this is a man who recommended the heart breaks it and abolition of all tariffs which could do enormous damage to agriculture and industry in this country but he was your main

linchpin wasn't he. he wasn't my main interest at all i mean i think we are economic future will be best served by having a good comprehensive trade arrangement with the without any tariffs on a so response what you have. before brics and looking to expand our sales around the world we would be a pretty shocking exporting outside the all the growth in future will come from outside be having having better trading nation ships were outside will be positive for the country and i think if we can get a sensible trade go along with this is the group that you do sixty percent of your trade with us not where sixty percent of our exports go us and he saw this well as expected i was diagnosed in this way we have a sixty percent are we have the right look at that there is no your close i don't trade being part of the any largest trading bloc in the world and i think any sensible person wants us not to have a good preparation with the the constitutional chaos that we've seen a company the whole debate in this country should worry everyone shouldn't it labor

p.s.u. it would says the whole process has shown the britons unwritten constitution is basically broken do you agree with that. yeah i think if it isn't as difficult as this without a majority in parliament and with subtly too many public problems to it but to me parliamentarian is not wanting to respect the will of the people in a referendum on the library seven on your side but i think i think it's i think you have to say it's been mainly people who didn't who do not accept the result who have been trying to frustrate this process that has brought us. to this position you know but we've seen contempt for parliamentary procedure from the government itself this is may's government is the first to be found in contempt of parliament for initially refusing to publish its legal opinion on bricks that no government has ever published legal advice and i it was the right thing not really thought in contempt of parliament for those very good reasons why you don't generally publish legal advice it means you don't need me you can't take the. advice of the minister been a pretty unique situation when the two main parties got eighty three percent of the

vote in the election promising to respect the result of the referendum and here we are still. with large numbers of people who will not accept the people voted to leave the turn of the street in any way they can either by transparent various or by frustration through the process and i think many people in the country are absolutely furious that poland has a name to actually deliver and leaving within ways nearly three years since the referendum are now facing making that newly found they believe you and your colleagues i think the public trial is going to be very difficult it was a boy isn't it that they want to blame people who just will not accept the result will not accept any kind of deal for us to leave us who they need to blame well and that includes people from the european. well i. say we had a manifesto we went back in time hards who are unlike you are still refusing to buy into to resume a stable i mean state these people who have stick up for them but i would say the choice now is to leave with this deal or to restore it leaving the top i think we

should have these people your principles more important interest. well i think if a vote how the national interest is clearly being to get a consensus to stand before the us this is our great position this is something in three years that britain has been unable to way we should have achieved that consensus was to have a general election and then have the winning party manifesto be that consensus and accept that's the thing that has a mandate from the public that's what some people in parliament including sadly some in the cabinet just have not accepted that mandate that plan that we set out to the country the common people in behind closed doors in smoky room to try and change that manifesto plan and that's that's the what the public gave us the mandate to go and deliver britain is going to merge from this process more damaged more divided nation that it has been in modern times for i think how do you how do how do you mitigate that you are defined as not unite as. i think the way we feel the way you know this country's been by them this issue for a long time we gave back to the public the final decision should we stay or should

we leave the only way we can unite the country is to move on leave and then go on to move on to governing the country on the issues that they care about and making a success of this vision people have taken i don't think you can unite a country could still we are where we're arguing about is that scenario and decision was made it should be implemented that's what parliament should be doing if you give decisions to back to the people you have to implement what they decide and the question the question is how and you're still not agreed on well we have one deal on the table gets us out of the in the next few weeks i think that is the is the best way for and i don't think anybody really wants another couple of years where we can stay in the you and argue about this and try and work something out and even then if you won't change their mind on the future partnership well most of them will have two more years of arguing about how to get out and then we'll have to start on the future policy that's not a healthy situation i think this needs to be was obviously now i hope in the summit that we have. at the end of this week perhaps in

a couple of clarifications in. concessions can be made and that can be enough to get this deal either the law in and we can get on with approving and ratifying it has been good to have you thank you. thank.

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