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rome march fourth twenty eighteen revolution is in the air a new era is beginning in italy for the established political parties are reeling the n.t.'s doubtless meant five star movement and the right wing populists of the leg and north have gained the upper hand the prospect of power had welded these two unequal forces together they intend to rebuild italy and europe too. good for aveo de muito thinks that's totally justified he has won a parliament seat in rome for the right and now represents the interests of all those who see italy as a victim of an invasion. of. europe is due. and he says dead because of its inability to control immigration or that

horrible and nowhere is that more evident than here and his hometown a vent to media. they caught up on talking quest such attack even a host migrants don't want to stay inventing media but move on to france and germany. it's outrageous that it's elise should be left alone with the problem and europe takes none of the responsibility for authentic. ventimiglia on the league good reason coast is the last stop before the french quarter. it's only a few minutes by train but you can't miss it. some refugees try to walk over the mountains or hide in a car. europe has not been borderless on this border for some time france has set strict controls and does not let migrants him if they're caught they send them back to italy yeah all that leaves many stranded invent emilia. in the

evening no one wants to show their face while they wait for food on the outskirts of town. volunteers say there were many more refugees here a year ago especially africans now most of them are men from pakistan and bangladesh trying to make their way to great britain i guess i. do our own says the situation has eased since his government stopped refugee ships from mooring in italian ports. you know until recently i camped out there on mattresses intense and some welling's but now the authorities have stopped that. the local police are now also taking a tougher stance and watching very closely especially when the member of parliament is making his rounds. demurral won thirty percent of the votes in the parliamentary

elections invent the milia he estimates it will rise to forty percent. his party has succeeded in transforming the fear of strangers into votes say political scientists such as marco van bootsy who is researching the phenomenon of populism. immigration is literally ten percent on the overall population the perception of the italians is twenty five percent which is the highest figure the highest level throughout western europe and also central and eastern and the point is that in the gap between perception and reality thrives populist and establishment buffets. and that's also where a member of parliament to move through hires he quickly bonds with his voters at the weekly market for example with hat dealer giordano danieli and his wife.

if we could feel it. all the frenchman sarkozy of britain cameron and obama got us into this mess because they wanted to get rid of gadhafi. that was he was the one who kept the refugees off our backs. but it was given to him and now france and england should take them in and not repeatedly send them back to us. if it enables you to go. but such a crisis does not have any simple solutions. and no one knows this better than italy's next prime minister matteo renzi su led his center left party to a resulting defeat in march. migration or was one of the most important. issues also during my government my view is very seen. i don accept to refuse my money. so first of all we

tried to save the people in the city. that is not good the for the boss. and you don't make any friends with it either and certainly not invent a media where many people are angry and bitter. predicator got all the italians are no longer happy people they complain a lot about the high taxes they have to pay there are no jobs and all in all the future looks pretty bleak what i call it but instead of getting up and doing something about it right least ask others for help they have suddenly turn that anger on those who are a weak or a against the refugees set up in the same but according to your day book a kid on trenton in the. normal knows what it's like to feel like an alien she spent the early years of her life in australia where her parents had immigrated perhaps that's why she decided to convert her bar near the train

station into an aid base for migrants even if it had serious consequences. will be. they spat at me. smash my windows and called me names asking why i was helping the migrants and not the italian who spend so all. these people have the upper hand today because the government is applauding their slogans . santa phobia and racism being legitimized from above all this is no never happened before in italy we've become doubtful. the locals have long since been avoiding daily use bar. i want our we have young we have shoes for children and diapers and toiletries here. and here in the cupboard there's a stock of children's and women's clothes in various sizes. saying yeah.

yeah. in fact. this is where the pension is used to play cards but they don't come here anymore. now the children learn all play here. for this is the venue dream but we don't use it as that anymore now we give italian courses here. on the old billiard table. a fund raising campaign means she can keep going even without guests for another few months anyway. the battle is raging for middle east salt and the populists are exploiting the confusion to sell the citizens on their simple solutions that's what makes them so attractive to in secure voters. their

magic war the in these cases protection they are providing they are they are offering protection protection against economic insecurity protection from the immigration the fear of immigration the fear of someone was different from us and this is a form of protection and they're also offering a kind of political protection protection against their opinion they don't want to be governed they don't want to be to receive instruction from they were pianistic dushan from the o.p.'s and from bank from the repeal of the commission and they want to get big they want to take back the control. but whereas someone protection from the e.u. others need its protection for example the people who make par most famous hams. parma ham only gets its seal of origin if it is maturity here in the mountains forty kilometers south of the city that gives it its name. in

autumn and winter the west wind. wafts the soul to air from the luxuriant seen through the open windows of the curing rooms for the ham is hanging and slowly dries it out a process that can take two or three years to house or occasionally check to see whether everything is going to plan. that. many people can't quite believe that to tell you aren't interested in the painstaking production of their most famous fan but even at one of the top producers fifty percent of the work force comes from africa. ferrari sells two hundred thousand high quality palm hams every year it's confident that brussels will continue to defend its protected designation of origin against

counterfeiters and copiers but even here there's now an air of uncertainty because nobody really knows what consequences the government's anti e.u. stance put on. their grocery thought this is for good until now we felt the e.u. was doing a good job protecting us but we don't know if it will stay that way with a new government we are constantly fighting against people who want to copy our products but we producers are medium sized companies and can hardly defend ourselves against them without the only use help. on. italy first is leg a solution but it first glance there's not a lot of room for compromise or consensus. that's what good nellie thinks he's also active in the parma ham industry but a little further down the processing chain nelly is a pig farmer. he

sells twenty thousand young pigs every year which. then fattened up to at least one hundred forty kilos the weight laid down in the rules governing the making of parma ham. he thinks the e.u. too often follows the motto it only lasts. by the count of five. politicians have always humbly gone cap in hand to europe. and very often they want even at the table when things that concern them were being decided by the mark. but without a new government it's going to be different and fuck. man all. the expensive euro has destroyed italy's agriculture he says it has to import too much meat and grain the amount of arable land is shrinking and the farmers aren't

earning enough goal in l.a. once to change all that not here at his pig farm of course but in the italian parliament in rome. is an impi for the leg and loyal to the party leader much tail salvini. it's pretty clear as his cap shows that he wants to see salvini as prime minister he and his party colleagues already have concrete plans for the european elections in many. people cannot join us together with our allies in france germany and austria will change europe into a europe of solidarity and democracy. that it will actually be about the well being of the population and about jobs not just about regulations and austerity programs imposed from above i think in the case so far. a lot of the think that. he really has it's not just the populists the opposition also sees

a great need for reform in the e.u. toward a very. i think is that not continue with the traditional idea of europe changing europe exactly for saving europe this is the challenge five star movement and lega want to destroy the europe. but many think the rise of populists in italy is unstoppable. the failure of the established parties was one reason for their success for example in tuscany in pisa.

of course everyone knows the leaning tower there. but not many people know this tower which may be upright but stands in an area where a lot of things are going wrong. this is a working class district of mainly social housing where the sidewalks are crumbling and with them confidence in the system. a better thought that they voted for the social democrats and communists here for seventy three years but people just weren't happy anymore green the unknown and that's now we have taken over the district and want to work with the residents to do everything better. is just. starting with clearing up the leaves leg activists such as simona beer in delhi and his wife were often seen around this social flashpoint and gave people the feeling that they were finally being listened to even in deep red tuscany the populists managed to push between the established parties and the people.

study the political course. the legacies recipe for success was to really take care of people and stay in touch with them that the representatives of the old government never thought it was necessary to shoot up with they have always only bothered about the city center and historical town killer persona. and the like a does take care of the people for example of the lady who approaches us on the bridge she has repeatedly complained about the condition of the sidewalks as the beer in delhi is no life identify comment yet it's all crap old and rotten what exactly do you mean the condition if the root of the antinous oh yes my goodness the street the lights it's all crap nothing works. nobody ever took care of it. it's only now that things are changing how none of my family waited for something to happen for fifty years and they did nothing i've had enough of this. that it's

just that nothing. you really don't have to go far to find outbursts of voter anger in this working class district of pisa. in the evening disappointed old leftists vent their spleen with and often ended up without knowing who is a socialist just get lost they betrayed the working class and what was the result now we have poverty and unemployment regard here are abused they just passed laws without consulting the citizens you do see. every day see this guy and see is the worst they should send him and the other functionaries straight to siberia without trial you'll be. the target of their anger sees no reason for self-criticism but launches a counter attack instead. the poll is not the people that will

support. my ass for or to create the referer me as in italy so. these people was aghast the lab will mark a cross for mission people. from the left the left is the best friend of the right there are the best from the salvini because they support the victory a five star movement of something. and while the left keeps tearing itself apart others march to the right. for example in pushing up another new units of balloting your piece of. the city which has forty five thousand inhabitants has elected a mayor from the lake. susanna to carty was twenty nine years old when she dropped out of law school to fight the left and the migrants.

laid up at a law the law board or. the and that if you today even left wing as vote for the lega because we look off to work housing and social welfare often left with around the handout public money to migrants that get us a nice set up if it should that late i may get at. the fact that she takes the slogan ateliers first literally can be seen from this residential building decorated in the country's national colors its new tenants are grateful to her and expected to express their gratitude before the t.v. cameras you know that a lot of thanks to the city council i can live here now without them i'd be sitting on the street. and that's really something. we're still at the look at that. the house used to be a refugee shelter but the refugees have now been moved elsewhere the mayor says. with everything my family of course i'm talking about italians first if you get into trouble we have to help you get back on your feet and find

a job like you did and so she drums up a few convinced legace of quarters one is under. baroni who grew up near frankfort he was a stage technician at the local theater but then closed for lack of money. to the nice italian food here in utah the social welfare here in italy doesn't help you at all. give you one hundred euros every three four five six months six more not every now and then they give you one hundred euros and you have to make do with that. and how much did the lego give you the. village got didn't give me any cash. but they arranged a bed and breakfast for me. they didn't just leave me on the street. and now there's this house and from here i can start again yes this is hope

when you come if you don't follow. your courtesy and lego boss an interior minister mateo salvini appeared in social media as some sort of glamour couple on the right . he calls her a lioness because she knows how to defend herself with words and with pepper spray. her national breakthrough came when she tore a priest apart on television after he had carelessly posted a swimming trip with asylum seekers on facebook. without looking i created i mean they're finished up but others are the armchair they would be so i guess how they're all working out thought here not only do you have any idea how much these sorts of tricks cost us we pay four and a half billion euros for these people money we could use much better for our unemployment the money should be invested in infrastructure and real jobs not in

welfare if you understand that they are ruining our country and our own. but father. will be on colony neither understands how a visit to a swimming pool can destroy italy nor does he want to. eat houses one hundred thirty africans in his church impose story forty kilometers north of pisa. the cleric wanted to ask for understanding on the talk show but it turned into a fiasco. laughing to have a reporter on our student resume or just ask ridiculous questions that showed that she had no idea about migration. and i was forced to conclude that you just can't convince these people with. a ship or are beyond it to change this woman's mind you'd have to change her d.n.a. if you want to or need to read carefully with me you know what.

neo nazis have stormed his church services to intimidate him and the police and fire brigade are always turning up to check on something. other mossimo says it shows how poisonous the climate in the country has become. the lake is message of hatred has now permeated italy from the alps to sicily i think anyone who helps migrants is harming italy and should be persecuted. they were going. to be a bigger migrants have been blamed for everything that's gone wrong in italy in recent weeks. with this is great an enormous tailwind for the right wing populist sources and allow them to turn a small regional movement into a nationwide power or i mean. and they are not about to give up this power quickly in march the leggo won eighteen percent of the vote the

pollsters now say it's at well over thirty five percent nationwide. that's also down to its stars including mayor says onitsha carty yet many already see her as the next regional president of tuscany or as a minister in rome. can i be me yeah they made up hundreds of thousands of migrants especially young men coming to our country and bringing a different culture and different value. because those who say it isn't an invasion have no idea do gooders like this cleric now bringing misfortune on our country and that there. in st mary's church in there's a small crypt where don must proteges retreat when they want to make music. no more racism they sing all people are equal no matter what their skin color.

there were times when the vast majority would have identified with that sentiment. isn't the only one who believes those days are now gone. the worst thing is that we're dealing with politicians who understand absolutely nothing about migration and it's causes us that just not capable of it unfortunately not only in italy nobody in. europe has an answer either that's right . and there seems to be little hope that anything will change soon i think we are on the eve of a huge political great rock formation we are facing a process of transformation the old the twenty one thousand centaury party politics is losing reaps on politics is losing groups of society through how to europe about the need to lead this process he's absolutely you just he's absolutely high for the

first time since one thousand nine hundred forty five then my jory to fatah younes voted for and to establishment a known mainstream political party our problem is the divisions between our consults that that is the body that we need the process of unification of italy exactly as the process of germany we haven't fortunately a wall street between not the south but these wall not. we the breaks but the difference and the gab is all very i also today this is our problem. the country is also politically split the lake is strong hold is in the north where is the five star movement has more support in the south in places like closer to thirty five kilometers north of neighborhoods.

conspirator's star shown particularly bright early eighteenth century when the board was built one of the world's largest castles here and italian rival to versailles. but just glory days are long gone. on the contrary the city is in a deplorable state of decay and some. things stink to high heaven the toxic waste for example. the mafia illegally buried hundreds of tons of food on the outskirts of the city contaminating the soil and the wells and making people ill but nobody was really bothered at least not the politicians until the five stars came on the scene. and this huge site in the center of the city was a barracks before it fell into rack and ruin and was closed off to the public the

five star movement wants to turn it into a park. for them in our working basis is direct democracy citizens should actively participate in the design of their environment that everything is open and accessible to everyone coming to my god we are like the other party as they do deals behind closed doors. but we don't mean that. anyone can come when the local five star association meets once a week for consultations. but you won't find the national budget the euro or problems with brussels on the agenda here the other question is are more pressing. why don't our buses ever run on time why aren't the trash cans integrated like the five star movement policies are first and foremost a local. level. that. but they also have policy goals that go way beyond fixing potholes and cleaning up the air higher pensions

a basic income rapprochement with russia. even pulling out of the euro if need be. we're not interested in being reelected at any price. we will as is the case with our pockets continue the struggle inside and outside the institutions but over the next five years even if we're not reelected the people's will is the only thing that matters to us if not the election camp. right and i was still in the boat on top of all obviously. it's nine forty five sunday morning and the chartered bus is packed today is an important one in the five star calendar once a year activists from all over the country gather in rome. it's a motley crew including students a construction worker a cardiologist and the owner of a laundry. they are all united in the belief that something finally has to

change and that nothing will change if they do not take action themselves. that could put a problem with our political class has always been in opposition they promised everyone potatoes but it's still and when they got into power everyone only got grass again on the ground on the we're going to change that now. if you do that but mainly melissa the people i mean really fell in love with the five stars because i think you can really trust them unlike the established parties for the ways just made promises but not delivered on them agenda to get from within one of those know that the light that. so far our governments and elites have always wanted a country unsuspecting sheep but only well informed citizens can be responsible citizens to. do that is why i voted for the five star movement because now i can find out directly from my m.p.'s and senators what they are doing for me and for my

little daughter because it's sort of a ship with me because the next generation is the future of italy it's that i flew to be the obvious place to. turn the coast from because santa has arrived at circus maximus in rome and everyone now has ample opportunity to talk to the deputy. the movement has gathered its supporters from all over the country in the arena where the ancient. romans used to watch chariot races. at. the organizers say one hundred thousand people are here although that figure seems a little exaggerated but many are still inspired by their success in the march elections when they became part of the strongest political force in italy. the atmosphere is somewhere between an open air concert and a religious convention. the five star movement's most important minister predicts

a rosy future. queen didn't mean additional twenty nine thousand will be the year of great change nothing will get through the european parliament without us in total chaos theory but the future doesn't actually look that rosy at all surveys put five star support at just twenty five percent of the electorate way behind and much more aggressively goes thirty five percent but they still have two hundred thirty m.p.'s all wearing yellow t. shirts today so that everyone can easily identify them if they go awful. awful awful i think. the m.p. from caserio also mixes with his supporters. he's a politically active primary school teacher and says he would never have gotten this far without the five star movement. over again the guy at the group the

getting votes in the south of italy have always been bought by the mafia of industrialists banks and insurance companies but it was never possible to get involved in politics as a normal citizen or even make it to parliament without getting your hands dirty stuff everybody pheno a problem cub one of his constituents comes to him with her problems the tax office once money from her and her husband is violent can rasi help her up nothing. i. know but just then a few rather determined gentleman appear out of nowhere and stop any further interviews in recordings perhaps the movement is not quite as open and citizen oriented as it says it is full of such was the subtle take the firm no cameras perhaps that's because the biggest and brightest of the five stars doesn't like to be filmed. suddenly a nearby public street turns into

a high security area that's the free world. here comes bit the grill doesn't like the press and now has the power of the state on his side. there is so minister himself announces the keynote speaker as the father of us all. but real actually behaves less like a father then an embarrassing uncle although that is exactly what his supporters expect from the seventy year old bellows and barks and begs and insult everyone and everything the press are afraid of her of a just look at europe is that what we're supposed to fear those little old men like you or jersey staggering about in limpin the talking about europe. crap about reading it that these people belong in an old people's home where they can rest we have nothing to do with this remark or do you think i miss you we did it crazy our

federal treasury video. released and when europe puts italy under pressure because of its national debt then this blustering former comedian turned political clown has plenty of poisoned arrows in his quiver. against germany for example. don't appear to be a problem where i don't have to be afraid anymore to be fair of debt think of germany. and the job. which the word short has two meanings the word city car not only monitoring debt but also barreled guilt and things inside your arms are going to make the river i hate it but i'm not to blame for any of that you know if anyone is responsible for the debt then it's germany which was supposed to repay its war debts by the one nine hundred fifty three but it didn't matter and they become not only because they didn't repay them if they had made of being as poorest calabria is now thirty four yes i know said it. it's not

immediately apparent why so many people worship this rabble rouser. reading order my yearly mother in law is a symbolic figure and the most important man in our movement because he's made us embrace his ideas the help of all that has given us the strength to imagine another italy a couple of one quite different from what we've known before so that when life itself you know it was. but i'm imagining a different italy actually takes a lot of the energy comes from. the vodka in the south of sicily was known mainly for the mafia and the galloping decay. it has about thirty thousand inhabitants but anyone who can move away from there does. giuseppe an electronics shop owner stayed the five stars took seventy

percent of the vote here and hold the mayor's post a picture at the entrance to the town hall recalls the collapse of a house where two children died a few years ago it was a tragedy that could happen again at any time. this. budget. cutters town center is crumbling whereas once only the men of the family moved away to find work elsewhere today. whole families are leaving. but just said he didn't leave the reason he stayed has to do with an old fountain in history it was becoming more and more of a ruin until he and a few of his neighbors took matters into their own hands. up to two to see that we finally renovated it ourselves and handed it over to the

city i would like to repeat this model everywhere. so listen if each one of us takes heart and does something good for the community. then we can make the impossible possible to reassure. the town's mayor who was also young and inexperienced when she took on the job also relies on such a sense of citizenship she has a lot of idealism and ideas but has little tend to pull success so far and they want to get the first thing i had to do was explain to the people that we are broke and forty one million euros in debt and yet i still want to trying to build a city with living it especially for the children where you can live in peace this is the hope that is driving us to really make a lasting difference here that people that come get out of it all it's up to us. now there is children's playground equipment in front of the town hall and other

bigger investments are planned although nobody knows where the money is supposed to come from they're hoping the e.u. will help out but it doesn't really matter where they get the funding nor will they just need more and they need it fast the voters tolerance for unfulfilled promises is extremely low. there are differing opinions as to how to deal with the populist in italy and here. we are living up to this the duration of the old politics. and we are facing a process of really struck to ration the rebuilding of the new party system but this is not an easy task it will require years in some cases or so they could use some i am really confident about. populism we show very soon the incapacity and inability within you government every thing. seems to stop. but it really is

a counter breach of fantasy and one all seems the girl was we have something or change. well in favaro things could hardly get any worse. notary and art collector andrea bartoli also left but then came back with his family and an ambitious plan to turn this sand heap of rubble into a living breathing city again. we make a promise each other we will do our best to change our life to allow our daughters. to grow you had better see me and to do our best to change this city. and so in the dilapidated old town

a shining and colorful away says have modern art has now blossomed. they bought or least houses slated for demolition and turned them into a bastion of culture in the heart of the violence with the name farm culture park. you can easily imagine their neighbors amazement back then but no one surprised any longer because the cultural park is really the best thing that's happened to the ailing town in decades because when we started eighty years ago all people even our or relatives said you've come to this it's impossible you can bring tourists in for any kind of change this city we are they were wrong. the culture parks reputation has long since spread abroad international artists exhibit their works here. attracting one hundred twenty thousand visitors

a year this hotels are busy and it needs more restaurants at long last things are happening again a photo exhibition about detroit is currently on display it's quite apt detroit is another city facing disaster one that needs to find the courage to see things not as they are but as they could be. but. we will have a new. call shows for the loss when. see this will be but so we. will be able to have a more cold feet on the more cautious people. will see it is and we will have even that different. political class. perhaps from fara is a role model or at least

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