the rebel army and in the nineteen ninety four genocide. when. it wasn't when it was given. to reinforce a controversial leader whose success is beyond question he could try to come in and they wanted tragedy starts april fifth on t.w. . recording the. interview. is. twenty four hours fifty so if he didn't go beyond david ben-gurion it was he who proclaimed the establishment of the state of israel in one nine hundred forty eight and lead the country for thirteen years at the age of eighty two five years after stepping down as prime minister he agreed to give an interview on film which was never shown on.

the mag on what's on when we found the material by chance and steven spielberg jewish film archive in jerusalem we had gone there to restore a feature film about ben-gurion produced in the late one nine hundred sixty s. to our surprise next to the reels of the feature film we found canisters with footage from the forgotten interview with ben-gurion. the interviewer was a thirty one year old american jew who had immigrated to israel like david ben-gurion he had settled in the desert the interview took place in april one thousand nine hundred sixty eight more months after the death of his wife paula zahn was living alone with his bodyguards at his home in the negev desert. mr ventura this please what do you do with your time now that.

she. left the government in one thousand and sixty three for simply put. to write the history. of the remaking of the jewish state machine to begin not to make one thousand forty eight. but eight in seventy along with i think you know the six of eight years to have faith to be able to do it it's possible button on the ship to matter to some accident in the united finished delgado almost every day i hear there's an accident people have been killed. but in general you don't fear death. littleton's i do feel measured if you don't like change and.

how did your zionism come to you when you were young man. if push came to a father and it all began in plants that didn't like that life. where did you expect when you came to actually caught palestine and the land. it depends on with plenty of little to lose going through your little future certainly many can but only as the same pillar of the plate that they left to get. there if you were meant to before the first world war. was complete until you can see one villages fighting the d.o.t. my idea was to work until. i saw every day thousands of our forces coming and going slowly to work. and do most the needs in a good. federer came and looked to him to should if you had

these muscles. the only tools one worked at. and took me ten days or two later to push datable but then i got miller that night it was terrible it couldn't work you could need a root of the two to lead to smith so i didn't become too social time to people but there were many people who might come and they were good can come quick and it took my father went. in he did he said no let it come back. so and if you look at this incident it's only in the military i book i've been inside you know i've looked at this country. so it strikes me that in those early years of yours you were for a rebel you were not ready to accept as. a normal life to come from his

life you were against what is not in my conundrum something of what he wanted to create a new life. the life which exists. i believe that he's not able to discover until they can get away from others but that he created sort of bent de reached a deal to create it would include we can only fourteen years ago i once came back from the linked. in should know to see if some young people if you had. chased me cut it in the sting look i didn't you couldn't he was putting the bush independents in the splits nearly so that did that in the end become a thing. in a decided although i was than pleased it means that the hills i decided to join did to stop building up. it does it does not know what to look at this link. so you mean to tell me that only fourteen years ago beginning

your that's it that's it the eight britain trimmed again because until then it was impossible. to write. a letter that. i found in shellacked with you on. one of the she. called me back here maybe you are right and i wish i lived on. the most important and should live and learn to live here live in this life. and learn to live in the police when i know my friend should be so deep rooted if.

you didn't see i know what you've planted. then speaks to me in another language and can be treated. just. be sure and. see what i get from these done not if you haven't. got question why don't you telephone. given how you say she would block it and you know. i'll share. but then she got on your telephone and they're back at ski half out of talking about how you lean so low you know that if you kill outside telephone shame about the left it can mean shasha because you place a separate ok net and man us china russia national and state stuff on. i'm going to have been the end of a lot yet that got both my share i meant hakeem

a boy you know it's not quite back he did i mean about it's a bit too lucky. to get a decision which in my youth degrees is good he said not connected with deeds. that are absent and that's. not kibbutz i told him my name is the heat and i've been good. everyone you can see but that we just assume servant to do it. this is their purpose it can serve as an example to other people. don't have to be it's christmas and i use it on my descendant but he's saying he's through with and said good to meet good in his heart he didn't look too good nobody can put good but this was deep you. and he was a great statesman you understood politics more than the kinks but this was unpopular. and this is

a statesman who's not considered in it think he ought to be doing that these people are not. then he's dangerous. people. but you had many decisions to make which were unpopular at the time you decided to accept german reparations for example that was very. clued up in. but that didn't work if you could paul didn't just listen. i'm just letting you couldn't say that i had no sign that he was not a massive violent demonstrations throughout israel. believe me you must be because. from the bottom of the south the suburb the storm of the negotiations between israel and western germany on reparations to compensate the survivors that preppers concentration camp survivors in the six genocide has no

price yet in my new show how do you. interact at a bank usually day and yet among your show you. know. my i should tell you i'm admonished me i'm not going to. call you. why didn't you cry for. nobody knows who i could not be my believe me you want. and go walk up call me. your number you love me you got me been doing. your show my mom may be young. it was a very emotional problem people have lost relatives they lost family yes and then for the people of the living in. that i don't squish that question and i can deal with i don't expect them to understand it so i opened them again. and schools

don't need people themselves but by this and it's this is not this is an unjust is not jewish. because but gentlemen you said sentence at the is it. but i mean hey look i blocked off the bus admission it's been into canada how cool how bus is enough to get those who are criminals but not the children notice how this would. you do it yesterday. and let it be something from the country different find this. good they're playing nicely. sitting grim but this is the model this is not moving south. africa. itself. rather a lot of. really really mind that can be a given is that in gold we are quite happy to see everybody.

and but wouldn't of our so i pass on so much stuff from anything by storm i dish the council up every success in this and part of why jadwin name in the path of democracy and international cooperation thank you very. little all for. do you think that before the nazi era. we could have saved more jews to promote safe people who don't know what to defeat those who accuse the jews didn't defend themselves or to sort of look bullish on the new children with people with conditions and. in order to meet in markets of peace between. given undressed code to stay here then they could. look at

whether this is a bulletin about it i definitely could prevent it. but are there others could prevent it allow them to complete a serious but they didn't. could search and have prevented it had that contiguous shiftless room task destroyed to defeat it. chester was a good friend of sirius but it was i didn't think that the main task now is the theatrics . but they could save miniatures and they were asked to bump pushed to them they could put it in but when your reactions when you saw the jews in europe after world war two what were you doing in germany about how. in the war was a good side too good to see deducing shouldn't it be peace. you moved when you saw

this it did you actually see the camps themselves or was none can. the belly look like lynette there were big and you know i. walked out on. you have been startled hi i'm not. there to be jewish people make. that palestine make the jewish people oh that is an obligation. when credit that misplaced or not i was. really don't know what you're going to do . its role of a job in a free and democratic jewish kind of improbable. the the the.

many jews think of this real as a place of refuge for unfortunate jews why should the jews come back design. had a mission. we had a great group so about three thousand three hundred years ago. it was the greatest juvie ever had his name was machete he said at ten have me out and call on me when it him look i'm so glad i'm so good up to be translated as a nation of higher virtues this is this is one of the meanings this is one of the meanings what would be our virtues and the virtues that we should aspire to. well diverters we should never ask where our prophet but to be just pootle helping all those who need help in a lot of other well as yourself is that which you think israel is carrying out that

mission not yet when you were head of the movement and were prime minister of the country did you also tell the people or tried to tell the people to be in arms to go into. the sooner the war was over the longer the war was going down i thought security is that memes. and war was over this was the beginning of general out in one thousand four tonight i called to get there i baseman's you have yet. you look a better graham and others they said to then why up until now. we had to fight he said against a lethal feat. but this to me impose it on us no less futile keep increased position should be the first i

don't for there will be able to achieve a deal to achieve. and therefore of the need you. lucas is a very big dismissive and real birth of the royal family his children and grandchildren come together with many lifelong friends among them is the president of the state of israel murthy it's not been the first number one for his congratulations to his longtime colleague and associate. the president to be clean and this is been going on thanks carol. i think in the absence. of the words on the phone. and that's when you're seeing last night him asking about if we found

a sound that's on you how do you actually ample shop. give us your comment on yes i'm keeping my lead the i'm a man i'll have the nation know i am. shameless and you have been media. man before. she would see a game that has a life span as on the advice i want about. it's being good and i like talking to you in this way you because that is a. structural. yes how is it going to stick. to . the group. and is really to present a good. thing to say i declare that i'm not the same as morgan. what does that mean

when you say i'm not. she played the game as i used to. i thought yes i just need to the third season this is not to lose influence using says you don't come here i say yes but there are all those est nobody's going to. win the percentage but that instead of the call themselves i said i'm a man of the news and i'm not then my sole name socialism is no mean national service or. who calls himself a socialist because a little national socialist. stuff is a socialist that in the film is a construction began you are not a zionist you're not a socialist insistence what are you and you juve's once to leave the world but it has to be some of all nations led there is no station but you should help some of them.

been going on you've gotta. be told me that i was going to be bengali on the guilty be able to get a good day not be a you've got. to have a lot more baths. selebi. your life much has changed considerably since your wife passed away yet you go on working you're not a quest man. this man should have because. many people many do that last night i lost. and then he not with a soul confirmed with the time. if you expected to do certain things you did forty . beatrice to say this with. this can be seized.

i read many of the letters that you wrote to paula in the early years of your marriage they reveal a great there of a love. and great tenderness and you see them have to mean she was not as ice she has very little jewish feeling she was a militant she was none of the said telling all the progress if you will of peace not a little. but none of you doing good work you stood the greatest machine you know interest in you that you didn't know what forward and maybe but i'm the one to value you need to learn the views of. but we decided to make each other. to have you have to be to look in or told about julie's

done and she did. and you should really that later came november that night in one thousand she came to the set then suddenly fifty years ago i told them granted that. she met. ten percent of the government going to live in washington she followed me and many of them to do that. she was very much to late indecently to. another no longer be completed. and not happening today in the little i can.

like to ask you question about yourself. you can work almost under any circumstances i once spoke to felt and crimes and he was disparaging will power i think or it has willpower. and he said no and it definitely has this will power is something you need to do what you don't want to do. angry doesn't work and willpower. he likes what he does. and you'll be aware that that's true but they do this too but you still need me to do it. what type of exercise they do with selling price. complicated. before discerning. again was

a little bigger know them coming not to remember that dr shame it remember. you're no longer. with me let's look at the good look as they move on the scene. she. won't be. alive whom million of them. who are you calling. dorothy comes from the not. well i want my good to know that i want anyone to look at that. tap. on the floor even get up because we have

nothing to cling on to preserve the blues. but only want to get rid of what will be sure you. may have to leave for the police visit. with them and. just doesn't want to leave. the. ship just such a shit about the loss of the plot or love model or. is it more of the ocean city approval of the scene the working sheets live more wars. shalmaneser. you. know.

mr van gogh and just please just. like to ask you a question about your connection to jewish history and jewish history and it's this the prophets in the bible had a vision for the future. and they connected that vision with a faith in god the presence of god is in the prophets wish. they needed strength and they turn to god do you also turn to god when you need strength how did you let a person to go. what do you mean by shit clinic that they found god living someplace you turned to him they could pray to god literally and what do you think they turned to it didn't turn into a goodish thinking deeply of motion to. they're going to get that picture edition

good thinking deeply about something if meditating minted schools you think as you just didn't do that. well then bam said got doesn't talk it's not i'm jim i'm being. you think there's a lot of room in judaism for meditation there's meditation a theme in judaism. the only issue is knowing food you use the word meditation to destruction in the distinct sense you writing ok wouldn't it meditation is not dead meaning to sure there are plenty. of buddhism there is a context for meditation and buddhism yes did you find that in buddhism when you were interested in buddhism shouldn't people be doing your meditation finding meditation is helpful. no the limited there's meditation the stinking thinking going to get him yes it's either other things in buddhism that interest you or

there are many he was a very good ignorant. buddha also believed in the non-self i'm not that easy to jingle fluff human love. he said she hated those and cease to hate it only by the. reason democratic she. in this was set profundity is for cursed and it's also as you find in the torah

very deep all human but i'll take the after larry how come. you should love that tell a man like yourself. the german teachers of the bible they interpreted it means only jews but different got it in the same chapter not chapter nineteen the need to pass this a little later if a stranger did release a monkey it should be to you like a citizen and should love him like yourself because you were strangers and if. so i don't mean only jews. it's real and do you think if you're going to have to fight the arabs again. and if so can we win not what i did say day maybe. in several countries but ensure that it most likely will take the profitable use are going to go ahead a billion dollars how much they should lowden more intimate they should spend their

money in debt than we did people that don't bend for painful but if a country has to defend itself as in the war of independence it in this is the new case in his through the world certainly enough time that a new state can same day than it was proclaimed into as pin state was attacked but all the neighbors i don't know them from the other case. go to these computers to demand this huge you know list bridge to security. but you know they want you declared a state the community here wasn't dangerous there were people united states for example which council a delay of the declaration and then he actually went ahead with it. i want a person has to make big decisions involving countries lives there must always be the fear of making mistakes how do you get over this here night. and you want

and you can never know if you're not make it stick because if you know making sure you don't make it you do something closer to the site and i never assume to know i can make him stick but i think from what i could in this and i put it on the big book. but little similar to nj the government. minister didn't but not occasion to except you know that most of the countries that have been established since the second world war have failed at the mark prosy. can israel's democracy survive. i hope it will sometimes democracy can make mistakes it was submitted to make him stick out that marcus it didn't make a rating. when you are here to mess. some of the people that you've been associated with for many years who i know the clearly in a fun oh they are applauding the year for what you do you miss them people that you

you were accustomed to say don't miss them i did them slowly did they're doing you know they're i think they're going nicely and america and them sort of they're doing certain things she shouldn't have done but i would consider but i don't think i also the culture in the mission. i know once we should meet in the knesset no i would make would make no immediately after the horror of and so to complete it was over. i was told i was in so this did it took the whole of side could push impossible. the idea of signage at least ten times as big it all is just. one example he broke he said the kids and i said a little too much she said. i mean to find some of the government thought that i've been to china is it but it should and i was asked this question believe that next

china if you could sit there shouldn't be blaring tension is too good to say no is to ensure freedom and a lot. this is not for the good with consistency she says. believing this day of the middle east war has shown convincing proof of israel's military superiority israeli armored columns continue their sweep to the south west the on the gaza strip and to the south in sinai how did it happen and more importantly what happens now when going to design to protect all over again no one is right just a little better than this effect that people must make. you think you are making real progress today where would you like to stop going to occupy the whole of jerusalem no. wonder you wish to increase the land area that. you would do if you wish to increase the land size of israel with. peace and make

the states when. i was in london when the world will collapse and situation and after the war two i was in the hudson and then a foreigner dancing and then leave calling and then mr bingle. and he urged me to come at once and i said i want to come he's in my country and i want to come but i would choose a time for coming i just can't come and. he did and i saw him in. with suggestions and sort of start to stand with him and i said we think that a piece of understand should be presented by the palestinians and since. we don't have the means we don't have this ability does that mean or that i'm a bigot or whatever. because i've known it's been good for more than forty yes i

see them on with me i'm through like very much mr pringle again because of his frankness his frankness was sometimes frightening. when he when he would express his views about the destiny and the future of that and we disagreed that we always wanted to try and find a common. that i'm afraid he's out of politics and gotten out in the flesh of you know will it be fair is. understood to be defeated and being downtrodden and all the rest of it and so both of us are in abnormal condition i consider you just as much abnormal as me because you are not considering the future you want to consider in the present and we are not considering just ensure we are considering our presence or forty i do believe that this country has been making. a country of peace. and one hundred fifty six in the sinai campaign

israel withdrew under some or all pressure do you think there is any hope for a permanent peace here or is this a kind of a state that's going to go on for another century i can give you my own personal view here you know i don't belong to any party i don't speak on behalf of anybody else if i would have a choice to bring peace to know the history of congress to see it. i would prefer peace because i know that within the boundaries which your god before decide to do so will you could settle as many jews like you to cope with the next twenty or forty years. the west bank of the jordan occupied by israel during the six day war at the scene of some of the most bitter fighting ever since

and now the center of a new political storm but the american proposal of peace settlement with. the handing back of this territory we really cannot in order be for a lifetime now that we've been going on living green may be going to be a model your ticker for good for you good luck good luck to the supreme. mr bangura and israel is once again faced with an historical chalons that is the negotiation of a peace treaties recognizing secure our boundaries do you think that the government's policy is one that can achieve peace in the middle east you mean the design to go yes they may go live in the state like there is made to the secretary of state they accept entirely they did not accept not only under conditions it accepted it i myself think it's a mistake i knew that you have all of this is that this is our country it was never the country that was never seen people was that the syrian state and they never

gave up i hope to come back but can't and. but if i have to choose entire country of peace i think this is about. well you is if you can at least you should give up all the time just as you can get into exceptions islam and its withdrawal. editing. issue rather wrong what we do. when you run from nation now larry hard yet if you don't you had a lot going on. whether some of. whatever the knesset and whether. that can assist

you to learn some yes look. my she said and. look at. that insurance life of a multiple. and of course have seen my study your trip around how the shout. outs here are she done so well not as around that did not that america but our friend one it's all yeah she been. a know nothing your limit where. i'm school gum i'm a dental and you come out loyally washburn one hundred you could have all gun laws are they going to penetrate you they have now or how most traditional is a little. lonely at the most likely you will have a gun come

a sahlin clay didn't but i am rush out yes one you suddenly i speak wow i mean yes the whole town only. when you think of your own captive use in the fulfillment of the risk i was going to say. one of the main areas. if i would be alone i would be able to do much. wouldn't be able to in italy. it's such a matter which doesn't depend on the sink you push. it in a mistake job there are many researchers are all this for the buried lead and by that if you couldn't really. grouting has been done by a single man who's a utility go to little it was created by you and. a little ice bucket i just read is beautiful in iceland while the only scientist shrimp you thinking came

to suit new ideas about science. i asked him if he too this is partly true i myself didn't make all those experiments but i you do other than me to night do from them certain conclusions but with without those of commitment i wouldn't be able to reach maturity. but in history i don't believe that a single question can change text. the less it is done by the people or be a part of the people it can be done. and if you didn't have the pioneers to push in addition to little good but you can't deny that you had a role and i was of god i was appointed prime minister said to do something if you think a country owes it you know or little and. that state does not yet exist as a beginning. thank you very much for sitting room so finish you know not you

know know that goodness isn't that good became candidate. now it's good to do good so it's legit to a fairly quiet intelligent it's sort of what i learned a lot of the book. the be. the bad. the book .

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