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recording the. interview and stable is around. twenty thirty fifty so the big bend will be on david ben-gurion it was he who proclaimed the establishment of the state of israel in one nine hundred forty eight and led the country for thirteen years at the age of eighty two five years after stepping down as prime minister he agreed to give an interview on film which was never shown on. my own. not. that the we found the material by chance in the steven spielberg jewish film archive in jerusalem we had gone there to restore a feature film about ben-gurion produced in the late one nine hundred sixty s. to our surprise next to the reels of the feature film we found canisters with footage from the forgotten interview with ben-gurion. the interviewer was a. thirty one year old american jew who had immigrated to israel like david

ben-gurion he had settled in the desert the interview took place in april one thousand nine hundred sixty eight more months after the death of his wife paula ben-gurion was living alone with his bodyguards at his home in the negev desert. what do you do with your time now they've. left the government in one thousand sixty trick for sinking put. to write the history of the making could you escaped. to begin not to make one thousand forty eight. but eight incident along with i think. another six or eight years. to have faith to be able to do it

it's possible but not. to matter to some accident in there you finished their logo almost every day i hear there's an accident people have been killed. but in general you don't fear death. little things i do feel measured if you don't change and. how did your time is and come to you you were young man. and it all began in plants. didn't work that way. where did you expect when you came to actually caught palestine and the land. it depends on what happened to. your little future city many couldn't but only to

seem to leak later they left. their issue with him and. the first word was. it was complete until you can to one village the sweating the daughter my idea was to work until. i saw every day thousands of other places coming and going straight to work. and do must stand near the synagogue to fatten mccain and look to john to shift if you do the math and. the only true inverted. and took me ten days until i got to push they put the democrat miller. that night it was terrible you couldn't win you couldn't eat their old lives of the two to the dismay of sweden the country social been happy but there were many people who might come and they were good can come back in the took my father when

they've been had it simulated come back. and look at the good service all of the military. have been for you know a glimmer of a discontent. so it strikes me that in those early years of your us you were for a rebel you were not ready to accept as. a normal life to come form is life you were against it is not my number i'm something of life you wanted to create a new life. not life. i believe that is what i could discover but i didn't get a break from us but he created still a bend the day reached a deal to create it would include we can only fourteen years ago i once came back from the elect. and should know to see if some young people if you have. change

will come in don't stay with any drink you couldn't get work right into bush independence and split evenly so they did drink and you can fix. it no just say that although i was didn't tell mr mr tiddles i decided to join did you start building up in the desert but there's no sleep over look at this link. so you mean to tell me that only fourteen years ago beginning that's it your. that's it the eight britain turned again because until then it was impossible. to write about it at the back to back. i doubt. that you want yeah one of the sheep that m.m. shall act like a top laid back character making russia. one.

the most important and should live and learn by living here living this life. and want to live in a policeman i know that my friend she was the give it a pretty sad cliche. you didn't see i know but you planted. it. didn't speak to me in another language and it completely but. be. speculative part be sure and believe how you feel it seems hard to guess from these dumb ass haven't they just hung up question how did you telephone. thank you she will block it and you don't affect i'll share. but i.

like it she got i didn't telephone and in many beckett talking about she left i'll tell you what we show you that to make you laugh had telephone shame about the left you got me shot there's a separate i'm looking at it and i'm nuts she laughed and i shot now soon launch a stuff on i'm going to have been in the vein a lot yet that it got don't i should i meant hakeem a boy you got it it's not quite that peter i mean about answer meant a lot to be distinguished in my degrees is good. he said not connected. absent and that's. not complete so i told him my name to the heat. so everyone can see. consumers are going to do it. this is the purpose it comes as an

example of people. wanting to get its christmas in a legitimate descendant but he's saying he's through but then said good to me who didn't say he didn't talk because nobody can put good. and he was a good statesman he understood politics mood and the kinks but this was unpopular. and this is a statesman who's not considered in it to be doing this popular and that. then he's dangerous. people. but you had many decisions to make which were unpopular at the time you decided to accept german reparations for example that was very unpopular. looking. at the cute poll didn't just and this is. i'm just letting you couldn't say that

i have no reason that he does not do massive pile of demonstrations for our israel . give me your money. for the bomb and build up the separate the storm of the negotiations between israel and western germany on reparations to compensate the survivors of the concentration camps the survivors in the six genocide has no price yet a minute show and you know. enacted a ban you should keep them yet among your show yes national no no. my should tell you name them apollo mission you do not get money if you. shovel. it why should you cry for. your money no harm i cannot remember believe me you would not own and lock up. your number if you look you.

been doing. your show may be young. it was a very emotional problem people have lost relatives they lost family this and i did this for the people who are living in it i don't squash this question i know i can do it but i don't expect them to understand it so today. schools don't need people to suck but by this and if this is an unjust is not. because but gentlemen you said the symptoms of the is it. but i mean then millions who are double booked off the bus admission it going into canada how cool how bus is enough to get those who are criminals they will suffer but not to. the notice how this was. in doing yesterday it's most of them and let it be something

from the country different fight it did what slaves who have been there painfully. sitting grim but this is the model this is not moving south. africa. if there. are other are. really really mind that can be forgiven just that babbitt can go on b.c. have to be. like him and but wouldn't of our so i pass on so much stuff many don't i dish the council up every success in your part of white jadwin in the path of democracy and international cooperation thank you very. little.

do you think that before the nazi era. we could have saved more jews to promote safe people who don't want to defeat those who a few did used to didn't defend themselves or to sort of. bullish. with the new children with people with conditions and. more than a million markets and people couldn't get undressed coke to stay here no one could. have a digital bulletin about it i definitely could program teach. but there are there are others could printed allow them to complete use of this is what they didn't know you could search of a preventable. had done to. a computer was crucial as one task destroyed to defeat it. chose to listen to trends of scientists but

it was i didn't think that the main task now is to defeat six. but they could save many jobs and they were asked to bump pushed to bill they could do it it can but when your reactions when you saw the jews in europe after world war two what were you doing in germany about how. in the war was over and said to do good to see did you shouldn't you did the peace. you moved when you saw this it did you actually see the camps themselves there was no current. like lynette there were big and you know i. walked up on. you had been startled high in want. their kids did you receive no make. that palestine will make the jewish people oh that is an obligation.

when credit that place to not buy was. real not yours immigration. if you will of a job in a previous democrat they could do is going to empower pull. the plug on the. many jews that think of israel is a place of refuge for unfortunate jews why should the jews come back to zion who had a mission. we had a big group. it's about three thousand two hundred years ago. he was the greatest juvie ever had. his name was machete he said at ten how many out you call on me when i him look i'm so glad i'm so good luck to be translated as

a nation of higher virtues this is this is one of the meanings this is one of the mean what would be our virtues and the virtues that we should aspire to. but the virtuous we should never ask why our prophet was to be just pull through helping old also need help in a lot of other men like yourself is that which you think israel is carrying out that mission not yet when you were head of the movement and were prime minister of the country did you also tell the people or try to tell the people to the and i'm so glad. the sooner the war was over as long as the war was going come i thought security this you had meant business. and war was a right this was the beginning of general out in one thousand four tonight. a call

to get out of basement as you have yet to but if you look a better graham and others better than my old until now. we had to fight because against. little feet. but destiny impose it on us you know let us feel keep increase efficiency because i don't for there will be able to achieve a deal to achieve. and therefore of the need you. lou is a very big it's mr been very ill for the whole family this children and grandchildren . together with many lifelong friends among them is the president of the state of israel must see something wrong for his congratulations to his longtime colleague

and associate. the presidency for the clean. air. of the. plane you're seeing last. time i saw. shop. our nation. has shed more than. me a. machine see a game that has a life span and on the. going

i like. in this. cause. that is i can say it structural damage yes how is that going to say skag to jews as we've names. only proves nothing researchers and you say they do pertain to groups still trying to say i declare that i'm not a scientist morgan kind of tells your students what's that mean when you say i'm not as bad as. jim and i became as i used to say i thought yes i just need to repent is that this is not to lose influence using says you don't come here i say yes but it all goes est nobody's coming from this window size but then says because as i said i was from out of the news and then another then i so did name social business not mean national service it's just who calls himself

a socialist because a little national socialist and. stones are socialist and the same with a sense of being god you are not an exam this you are not a socialist consistency what are you and you jews once to leave the world but there is peace among all nations and lead that is no sick patients that usually help from the within. her own abengoa the only thing that i mean he told me that i was going to be given body on. at a good day not the big not on the spot. i have a lot more baths even i say that i believe.

your life must have changed considerably since your wife passed away. yet you go on working you're not a crash man. on russia to be clueless many people many learn fast and last night i lost my last years no question and i'm feeling now that i spoke to the firm's good with the company if you expect the devil shouldn't i be dead before only. the trace to say this was the worst. this can be changed i read many of the letters that you wrote paula and the early years you managed to reveal a great they love. a great tenderness. she was a remarkable woman she was not designs she has very little jewish feeling she was

a militant she was none of the said time all the progressive you. know the little girls the banality of moon good luck you were the greatest machine she knew interest in you that she didn't know but for work i'm a little bit of a butler valued who need come to visit. but we decided to make each other i think that you have you will have to be to look in i told a journalist there and she admitted. they chose you to lead left later came november nineteen nineteen she can preserve the shadow then suddenly fifty years ago i told her i'm going to. try to commit. the time design of the garage on to the machine she followed me but men have only to do that. she was very much too good

in this immediate. another moment but we can talk with. and not happening in the lead taking. like to ask you questions about yourself. you can work almost under any circumstances i once spoke to felt and crisis and he was disparaging will power i said to her it has willpower and he said no and their definition was this willpower is something you need to do what you don't want to do and going doesn't

work and willpower. he likes what he does. would you agree with that that's true the label to do that too but you do need me to do it but if you do it what type of exercise that you do with selling price clueless about her going to hit it. you know scissors. before deciding to compete. again was a little bigger no don't come not to mention their canoe dr sharon might remember really he no longer. was munching in the soup that's all the little as they move on the sheen she ate it a little that's when the gospel is one of only not the one saying i want the lights

out though your solution not. the love whose million you've done. the way you're growing. to more he comes from the nothing with the moment just an old school along with the war and world and he was looking over the lip at the national roof top. down on the floor he began to cry we have nothing to cling on to proceed with the task but only up to that little one will be changed. in a little more open. busying herself and i'm going. to need the coexistence of the one solution you don't. need more. shit to toss a shit about

a low dose of the clock well not model all. the more talk on the ocean that seems to be a typical of the scene with machines little more wars. shalmaneser as. you. say then go in the first place yes i like to ask you a question about your connection to jewish history jewish history and it's this the prophets in the bible had a vision for the future. and they connected that vision with a faith in god the presence of god is in the prophets yes. they needed strength and they turn to god do you also turn to god when you need

strength. to go. with him in basic training that they found you got a living someplace you turned to. they could pray down to a little bit. what do you think they turned to didn't turn into a goodish thinking deeply. when they're going to get that except there's a good. thinking deeply about something if meditating minted of course you think there's this it didn't do that. well damn bombs have got doesn't talk it's not and human beings do you think there's a lot of room in judaism for meditation this meditation a theme in judaism. of the early issues knowing food you wouldn't use the word meditation but just accent and the good effects and you writing ok when it

meditation is not that meaning that you have no reply to it. if buddhism there is a context for meditation and buddhism yes that you find that in buddhism when you were interested in good is nice other people is me doing that meditation you find in meditation is helpful no limit it does meditation distinction to integrating the so yes in other other things in buddhism that interest you or there are many it was a very good it made. you.

good also believed in the non-self and not the east teaching glos teaching the flow of human love. hatred doesn't cease to hate it only by the. reason democratic leadership. in this was said to postpone the tears for cursed and it's also that you find in the torah a very deep old human model to be after larry how come of. you should love that tell a man like yourself the german teachers of the bible they interpreted it means only jews but different got it in the same chapter not chapter nineteen the beatles they said a little later if a stranger did release among you it should be to you like

a citizen and should love him like yourself because you were strangers and which still doesn't mean only jews and so you know and you think this is going to have to fight the arabs again. and if so can we win not what i did say today maybe. in several countries but incidentally most likely to take the profitable use are going to go ahead a billion dollars how much they should lowden more intimate issue and spend their money in debt that only good people don't want for painful but if a country has to defend itself as in the war of independence it in this is the new christian he's through the world and certainly enough time that a new state can same day than it was proclaimed into a spin state was a take but all the neighbors i don't know i'm from the other case. could this compelled us to the land because you'd in addition brains for security

but you know that won't you declared a state the community here wasn't dangerous there were people united states for example which council a delay of the declaration and the accu weather had with it. going to person have to make big decisions involving countries lives there must always be the fear of making mistakes how do you get over this here. and you one can you can never know if you're not make it stick because if you know making sure you don't make it you do something closer to a good site. and i never assumed to know i can make him stick but i hate him but i couldn't this and i thought it ought to be done. but the simple think the government. minister didn't but not a patient except you know that most of the countries that have been established

since the second world war have found that the mark recy. can israel's democracy survive. i hope it will. sometime democracy can make mistakes it was admitted to making state that marcus it didn't make it right. when you are here do you miss some of the people that you've been associated with for many years to and out of the clearly needed fun well who they are for all the year followed you you met them people that you you were accustomed to so don't mention i am slowly that they are doing you know that i think they are going to mention america themselves or their doing certain things you should know better but were concerned about and for it i also think it's in their mission. i know once we should meet in the knesset no i would not make would make no negative to horrify

and so you complain was over. i was told i was in this state to the whole of saigon could push impossible. the idea of signage at least ten times as big it all is just. trying to get a little drunk because i think that i said a little too much to. mean to find some of the government thought that i have been to china is it but it should and i was asked this question billion next china if you could sit there shouldn't plan intentions to go to china is to ensure freedom that vision in iraq. this is not for the kids which isn't the first to do it. but even the best day of the middle east war has shown convincing proof of israel's military getting out of the israeli armored columns continue their sweep to the south west the on the gaza strip and to the south in sinai how did it happen and

more importantly what happens now when going to this one hundred fifty six all over again no one is alleged to do that better than to think that people must make. you think you are making real progress today where would you like to stop i'm going to occupy the whole of jerusalem. the one that you wish to increase the land area. to. treat the land side of israel with. the sound of states but. i was in london when the world will collapse and sufficient. after the war to i was in business and it's a different thing than any of calling in there with mr singleton. and he urged me

to come at once and i said i want to come and i come to know him to come but i would choose a time for coming and coming. he did and i saw him in i came out with suggestions satisfied to stand with us i mean should we think that a piece of understand should be presented by the palestinians and since. we don't have the means we don't have this ability that we're going to have a bigot or whatever. because i've known it's been good for more than forty yes i see them along with me and through like very much mr van gogh again because of this frankness his frankness was sometimes frightening. when he when he would express his use about the destiny and the future of that it we disagreed that we always wanted to try and find a comment about. that i'm afraid that he's out of politics and gotten out of the

flesh of yours won't be there it's funny. on the streets of being defeated and being downtrodden and all the rest of it and so both of us i mean abnormal condition i consider you just as much abnormal as we are because you are not considering that she was you know when you consider the difference and we are not considering the distance should we are considering our presence or forty i do believe that this country has the makings of a country of peace. and one hundred fifty six in the sinai campaign as well withdrew under some or all pressure do you think there is any hope for a permanent peace here or is this a kind of a state that's going to go on you know the other century i can give you my own personal view here you know i don't belong to any party i don't speak about anybody that if i would have a choice greenpeace you know the history of congress to see it.

i would prefer peace because i know that within the bunker research before disappear this will you could settle as many jews as i'd like you to cope with the next twenty or forty years. the west bank of jordan occupied by israel during the six day war at the scene of some of the most brutal fighting ever since i'm now the center of a new political storm with the american proposal of any peace settlement with. the handing back of this territory we really cannot in order to become a lifeline now that we've been going on have been going on maybe going to be a model your ticker for good luck good luck to the. mr bad guy in israel is once again faced with an historical chalons that is the negotiation of a peace treaties recognizing secure our boundaries do you think that the

government's policy is one that can achieve peace in the middle east when the designer go yes they made only one mistake like there is made as a secretary of state they did accept it entirely they did not accept not only under conditions it accepted it i myself think it's a mistake i knew that all of this is that this is our country it was never going to do it was never seen didn't was that of the syrian state and they never gave up i hope to come back but i can't and zach and but if i have to choose entire country of peace i think this is going to play well and you is if you can at least you should give up all the time just as you can get into exceptions islam and its withdrawal.

issue rallies or. new reformation now layer hard yeah if you don't you had. never really been going on. whether someone fella. whatever the knesset. and whether something other than a says he can assist. me so at last i should measure saturn and. look at. that interest like a billion miles because there were. no horses have seen my star your hair brown had a hat. yet. she done so well not as i doubt that did i

trouble you got that america but i had one it's all yeah she bawled she don't usually. a know nothing you fall in little bear. gun mama den a while and you come out loyally washburn one hundred he could have told them loyally to go to not straight. they have no order how most recently is a little. too lonely at the muslim let him come a soul in cleveland ohio and rush out yes i knew sudden must speak well i mean yes the whole town only had one scrap. when you think of your own contribution to the fulfillment of the research that was going to say. one of the main areas. if i would be alone i would be able to do much. wouldn't be able to enter. it's such

a matter which doesn't depend and i think you put. it in a mistake there are many such research at all this was a very good lead in but that review couldn't really. grouting has been done by a single man who's a literary notable it was created by. a little nice book that i think i read is beautiful if i said well the only scientist is from puting king came to suit the new ideas about science i asked him if he too this is partly true i myself didn't make all those experiments but i knew disciplines other may to night do from going to certain conclusions but with without those experiment i wouldn't be able to reach my chile. but in history i don't believe that a single person can change things. only once it is done by the people or be a part of the people it can better. and if you didn't have the pioneers to push in

addition to little hook i think capillarity had a role and i was of course i was appointed prime ministers i had to do something if they are country or always fit. little in. that state does not yet exist as a beginning and. thank you very much mr so finish no not you know no the goodness to do it became plenty to eat. now i've started to cook so it's not just. a fairly quiet intelligent it's what i want and really all over.

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