and the former nissan chair carlos gone has been arrested again accused of riches himself of the company's expense this is the fourth son he's been detained in five s. . this is the interview news live from berlin i'm brian thomas for the entire crew thanks so much. i. hear what's coming up on the bundesliga house one thousand nine hundred five here that is cut take a look at what all that means for the table of course. every

weekend here on t.w. . recording the pain good interview. is right. twenty four twenty six fifty six the they've been groovy on david ben-gurion it was he who proclaimed the establishment of the state of israel in one nine hundred forty eight and lead the country for thirteen years at the age of eighty two five years after stepping down as prime minister he agreed to give an interview on film which was never shown on. my own. not. the lead on what's on when we found the material by chance and the steven spielberg jewish film archive in jerusalem we had gone there to restore a feature film about ben-gurion produced in the late one nine hundred sixty s. on. to our surprise next to the reels of the feature film we found canisters with

footage from the forgotten interview with ben gurion. the interviewer was a thirty one year old american jew who had immigrated to israel like david ben-gurion he had settled in the desert the interview took place in april one thousand nine hundred sixty eight more months after the death of his wife paula ben-gurion was living alone with his bodyguards at his home in the negev desert. what do you do with your time now they've. left the government in one thousand nine hundred sixty three. put. to write the history of the making to. begin not to make one thousand forty

eight. but concerned along with that thank you. to have faith if you'll be able to do it it's possible but. some accident in. almost every day i hear there's an accident people have been killed. but in general you don't fear death. but you know. how did your signs and come to you when you were young man. and it all began in plants. what did you expect when you came to actually caught palestine and the land.

it depends on what happened to little to lose going to meet your little future certainly many came but only as the same pillar of week later they lived together. then if you didn't. before the first world war. was complete until you come to one village or fighting the daughter my idea was to work on the ring and so every day houses are focused on it going straight toward. the gloom was the near the synagogue the family came and look to chant it should if you would the muslims. the only true islam but that. and took me ten days of like that to push the accord but then i got militant that night it was terrible it couldn't wish you could meet. it would be to please let us move further so don't

become too if you can help it but there were many people from micah and they were good can come get in the top my father went. in he did he said no let it come back . so and if you look at the fence i told him it's in the military a book about his father you know i've looked at this country. so it strikes me that in those early years of yours you were for a rebel you were not ready to accept this. the normal life to come form a slice you were against it is not my number i'm something of what you wanted to clear a new life. the life egypt. i believe that is what i like to describe taken care of it from others but he creating it. so the ben did they reached

a deal to create it include we can only fourteen years ago i once came back from italy. and should need to see some young people the two hats changes because i didn't still look at you didn't you couldn't people hating bush independence and split evenly so they did drink and become addicts. and they just say that although i wasn't going to use that means that tickles and decided to join did you start building up in the desert but there's no sleep over look at this. so you mean to tell me that only fourteen years ago beginning that's your that's it that's it the ate everything turned to begin because until then it was impossible. to read a bit at a very thought that michelle mounds i lack. i doubt anyone shellacked that we've

been with you on oh yeah one of the she backed him shellacked like a lot laid back parent maybe you are rushing them shouting that one. of the most important thing she learned i learned by living here live this life. and learn to live in the policeman now you know that my friends and i still give it to exactly. you didn't know what you wanted to. the. then speaks to me in another language i would. be sure. i haven't.

got the question how do you define. it and you know. i'll share it. back and. telephone and then back it. up tell you lean so low yeah that'd make you a lot had telephone shame about the left you got me shasha separate ok net and man us china russia have chased off on how many have been end of a lot yet that it got don't my share i'm in hock mable you. may not get back peter i mean divided its amendment to law to believe this decision which in my view is a great system is good. she had not committed the deeds.

absent and. not complicit i took the right names the heat no good. so everyone can see that we just assume german to do what. purpose it is an example for the people. to get its professional legitimate dissident but these changes through the said good to me who didn't it didn't look good nobody can put good. and he was a great statesman he understood politician more than the kinks but this was unpopular. and this is a statesman who's not considered in it to be doing this popular and that then he's a dangerous man if people. but you have had many decisions to make which were unpopular at the time you decided to accept german reparations for example that was

very unpopular. that did deserve it. paul didn't just and this is. i'm just letting i couldn't say that i have no reason that he does not do not see violent demonstrations throughout israel. you might get money. from the bottom of the south to separate the storm of the negotiations between israel and western germany on reparations to compensate the survivors but that was concentration camp survivors in the six genocide has no price yet a man your show i don't know. enacted a man you should meet than you have a man yeah sure yeah. no no. my i should tell you name your family promise me when i get the money. shot because you have.

the money and you can i have. no money no harm i could not believe. you would not be alone and go i got. your number. you got me. they are showing me young. it was a very emotional problem people have lost relatives. they lost family yes and i did therefore the people of the living know shit i don't squish christian i know i can do it with i don't expect them to understand it so i opened them again discussion and squeezed only people who didn't suffer. but but isn't it this is it isn't this just isn't the jewish. cause but jeremiah you said the same thing should be is it. but i mean hey dan lothian with all worked up a lot of people busted when it been in pick and how hell how bus is enough to get

those who are criminals they will suffer but not the truth and not have had this with. a little history channel two and let it be something. from the country different fathers did what so it's really good they're playing nicely. but this is the model this is not model. africa. if. it were all over. i mean really man threatened with a given year that that everything going on on me here vivie. it's been that long i'm but wouldn't off so i pass on so much that's many don't i dish the council out every success in use and part of why jadwin in any path of democracy and international cooperation thank you very much. a little.

bit. do you think that before the nazi era. we could have saved more jews to promote safe people who don't know what to defeat those who did use the didn't if and i'm so glad to settle. this. but a new children will treat with a condition. more than a million might its people couldn't give it on dressed as a coat to stay here then they could. have looked over the digital bulletin about it i definitely could parentage but are there others could prevent it allow them to complete a useless where they didn't. could search of a preventative. i'd better see how can defuse the truth lisbon test

destroyed to defeat it so it was a good friend of the nation but it was i didn't think that the main task not just a few tricks. but they could save miniatures and they were asked to bump posts to bill they could do it if you knew what your reactions when you saw the jews in europe after world war two what were you doing in germany at that time. when the war was over had said it too good to see did you see shouldn't it be peace. well you moved when you saw this it did you actually see the camps themselves it was no different. than the look like lynette there were big into night. and you walk up on. you have been startled hi i'm not. that good be doing people are made.

that's kind of my no make the jewish people look that is an obligation of the end credits that means pray for not i was at real madrid immigration. if you will of a job in a previous democratic jewish kind of improbable my leaving the the the. many jews to think of israel is a place of refuge for unfortunate jews why should the jews come back to sign their admission. if you had a good jew. so about three thousand three hundred you should go he was the greatest juvie ever had. his name wasn't machete he said at them home you had to

be cool on the planet i'm so glad i'm so glad i could be translated as a nation of higher virtues this is this is one of the meanings this is one of the mean what would be our virtues that the virtues that we should aspire to. but the virtual machine you were asked without profit. to be just keep. helping the old those who need help in a lot of other religious so this or that which you think israel is carrying out that mission not just when you were head of the movement and were prime minister of this country. did you also tell people or try to tell the people to the end i'm sick. the

war was over as i'm good the war was going down i thought security. and war was over this was the beginning of general i didn't mention for tonight i called to get there at a basement as you have yet. to notice it said today right up until now. it just might. be said against. the traffic. but this to me in pauses and say no let's keep and increase pollution she deserves. it was she. and therefore of the new view. this is a very big it must have been drilled. children and grandchildren. together

with many lifelong friends amongst them as the president of the state of israel must be attacked and the first number one for his congratulations to his longtime colleague and associate. presidents you must be clean and this is bengali on take care of rap. on the spot and i'm not saying your stream left make it mathematically sound i. shall. bring my like. a man now hold me young even a shit. now. as i said more than. you know you are using me as. a man before. machine t.v.

and i have to like they have to know the group i have on the on they are wrong about. the finger and i like the idea of talking to you in the kibbutz where you because that is a country israel or. yes how is it going to stick to characters or jews as need meds. only proves not only should i use it to protect the group still running the site i declare that i look as i use more than ten of those are single words that mean when you say i'm not as dominant. shaman i became as i missed yes i just mean to the third season this is not to need influence you think says you don't come here. when there are all those est nobody's come when the good sense but then talk is call themselves as i do because

i'm out of the news and i'm not then there so the name socialism is not mean niceness of a second just because of a socialist you can a little national socialist. stuff is a socialism the thing with the answers being given you are not a zionist you're not a socialist consistency what are you and the june soon learns to leave the world but that is peace and while nations. he learned that is no loss to patients but usually from the cuban people. with. her. he told me that i was told everybody on.

your life must have changed considerably since your wife passed away yet you go on working you're not a crashed man. but on the issue to be close many people many of them crash and loss now you think i lost my loss yes. i don't feel you know what i feel to influence the good will of the company if you expected them to shouldn't have the day before me. trace to say this was their mission. this can be changed i read many of the letters that you wrote and paula in the early years of your marriage there is another great they love. great tenderness.

she was remarkable when she was need to say. she's very little jewish she thinks she's a little. she was none of the said telling all the people this if you will of the piece no legal rules and then if you do then good luck you should the greatest machine. you know interesting you say that you didn't know what forward a militant bunch of anything you need going to ease of. but then we decided to marry each other i think that you would have to get to look in or killed a good journalist then and she did. enjoy she would really make a kid in november night in one thousand she came to shed then suddenly fifty years ago i told them good to. mitt. ten percent of the girls

are going to live in does it which she did she followed me and then even to do that . she was little too late condition beauty. another million don't get into it. and not happen to any taken. like to ask you a question about yourself. you can work almost under any circumstances i once spoke to felt and cries and he was disparaging will power i said being who has willpower and he said no and definition as this

willpower is something you need to do what you don't want to do and going doesn't work and willpower. he loves what he does. but you agree with that that's through the label they do that too but you do need me to put a good glimpse into that but lack of exercise that you do with helping friends co-author of her company that. he knows his words. before deciding to compete. again was a little bigger know than coming not to mention like noel dr shame at my life. you know he no longer.

he let's look at some of the good luck as they move on the sheen. that got the law and it's one of our holy mother would say i warn the lights out there and there's no good shot. but laila booming million of them. the way you're growing. to more than a struggling to not. allow immature to know all of the good and long and the about moving the bit at the. roof top. down on the floor he began to. lift up a zoo to close off the persistent blues. but only up to the little while additionally. he may have to leave all of them. visit his cell phone number.

it's just not going to want to shoot. the. shit just toss a shit about the limits of the plot or a lot more the law. is in the world the time of the ocean is simply a temporal haven't seen the light machine slipped over the course. shalmaneser is. going to. be. president gloria just leave us. like to ask you a question about your connection to jewish history and jewish history and it's this the prophets in the bible. had a vision for the future. and they connected that station with

a faith in god the presence of god is in the prophets yes. they needed strength and they turn to god do you also turn to god when you need strength. to let it prudent to god. let you mean by shit clinic that they found god living someplace you twenty they could pray that god wouldn't. let you think they'd turn to it didn't turn to god which thinking deeply about some to when they're going to get that exhibition loaded thinking deeply about something if meditating minted schools you think as you just didn't do the work. well them bombs have got doesn't talk it's not i'm jim i'm being. do you think there's a lot of room in judaism for meditation this meditation

a theme in judaism. ability if she was knowing food you would use the word meditation people just. in the good effects sense you writing ok. meditation is not that meaning the human know of plenty. of buddhism there is a context for meditation and buddhism yes did you find that in buddhism when you were interested in good is not a shouldn't people be doing the right medication if i did meditation is helpful no the image does meditation do you think it to integrating this and yes if other other things in buddhism that interest you or there are many it was a really good ignorant.

who'd also believed in the non-self i'm not used to love human love he said hatred doesn't cease to hate it only baby. isn't democratic is it. in this the set price when it is for the good east and it's also as you find in the tour very deep all human mortality behalf tell everyone how come. you should love that tell a man like yourself the german teachers of the bible they interpreted it means only jews but they forgot it and think chapter nine

chapter nine didn't give it to us they said legally that if a stranger the least among you should do you will make a sin. and should love him like yourself because you were strangers and if so i don't mean only jews. and so we want to think if he was going to have to fight the arabs again. and if so can we not what i did say today maybe. in several countries but when should it it most likely just take the professional use are going to go ahead a billion dollars how much they should lowden more intimate they shouldn't spend their money in debt than we did people they don't want for painful but if a country has to defend itself and work and defend it in this in the new case in his through the world certainly not typed it into state in the same day when it was proclaimed interest pin state was attacked but all the neighbors i don't know the

company other case. could this complaint us to the land this huge in addition bridge to security but you know they want you declared a state the community here wasn't dangerous there were people united states for example which council a delay of the declaration and yet you went ahead with it. i want a person has to make big decisions involving countries lives there must always be the fear of making mistakes how do you get over the fear night. and one can you can never know if you're not make it stick because if you know making sure you don't make it you do something because you think it's right and i never assume to know i can make him stick but i like him but i couldn't this that i thought it ought to be done but little several thinks the government. limited to little but

not occasion to except you know that most of the countries that have been established since the second world war have failed at the mark recy. can israel's democracy survive. i look at you. and sometimes democracy can make mistakes it was submitted to make him stick out that marcus it didn't make it right . but when you are here you mess. some of the people that you've been associated with for many years who are now the clearly in a phone oh they are part of the media followed you us them people that you you were accustomed to so damaged and i did i'm sorry did they're doing that i think you're going missing in america and i'm sort of there doing certain things she shouldn't have done but already said about and played i also the question was

just. i know once we show i mean in the knesset no i would object would make the media have to do before of and so to complain was over. i was told i was incensed they stood the two posts i could push impossible. that your sign is at least ten times as big it all just. so i got a little broke you take the kids and i said a little too much she said. i mean to find some of the government thought that i didn't do it so i know that part of it and i was asked this question billion next china think that it shouldn't plan intention is too good to say no is to ensure freedom in iraq. this is. the consistency she says. leaving this day of the middle east war shown convincing proof of israel's military

to get out of the israeli armored columns continue their sweep to the south west be on the gaza strip and to the south in sinai how did it happen and more importantly what happens now we're going to design to protect all over again no one is a. little better than to think that people must make. you think you are making real progress today where would you like to stop i'm going to occupy the whole of jerusalem. subject. you wish to increase the land area of israel they will try to. treat the land side of israel with. peace and they have states when.

i was in london when the world is insufficient. after the war to i was in there with then it's a different thing than any of calling and then mr singleton. and he urged me to come at once and i said i want to come this and i come to you and i want to come but i would choose a time for coming and coming. he did and i saw him in i get out for just sort of spread a standard and i said we think that a piece of lettuce time should be presented by the palestinians and since. we don't have the means we don't think that's a pretty good that we're going to have a big room because i've known it's been good for more than forty yes i see them only stayed until like very much mr been good young because of his frankness his frankness was sometimes frightening. when he when he would express his views about the destiny and the future of that or we disagreed that we

always wanted to try and find a common. that i'm afraid that he's out to put it it's. got a now in the flesh of your well being that is. in the spirit of being defeated and being downtrodden and all the rest of it and so both of us i mean of normal condition i consider you just as much i'd nominate me because you are not considering the future you have when you consider the difference and we are not considering just in should we are considering our presence or pretty but i do believe that this country has the makings of a country of peace. and one hundred fifty six in the sun i can find israel withdrew under some or all pressure do you think there is any hope for a permanent peace here or is this a kind of a state that's going to go on for another century i can give you my own personal view here you know i don't belong to any party i don't speak about for anybody here

if i would have a choice bring peace in old characteristics you can trust us you. i would prefer peace because i know that within the boundaries which before decide to do this will you could settle as many jews as i'd like i like you to come within the next twenty or forty years. the west bank of the jordan occupied by israel during the six day war at the scene of some of the most brutal fighting ever since i'm now the center of a new political storm but the american proposal that any peace settlement with jordan blasting the handing back of this territory we really cannot in order be for a lifetime now that we've been going on living green may be going to be a model your ticker for good luck good luck to the free.

mr back guy in israel is once again faced with an historical chalons that is the negotiation of a peace treaties recognizing secure our boundaries do you think that the government's policy is one that can achieve peace in the middle east you mean the design of the yes they live their lives on the stick. it is made is the secretary of state of the state they did accept it entirely they did not accept not only under conditions it accepted it i myself think it's a mistake i knew that you have all of this stuff this is our country it was never going to do it was never seen people was that the senior state and they never gave up i hope to come back but can't and zaf can't but if i have to choose entire country of peace i think this is about. the you is if you can at least you should give up all the terms as you can but it looks absence of

islam and its withdrawal. issue value wrong. new reformation now layer hard yet here don't you have a lot going on. whether some of. what i have can assess whether something other than i said that innocence. my she said to mention. look at. that in shiflet of a multi because there were subtle. and of course have seen my star your tribe

rather half of me yet. she done so well not as an hour that did not that america but our friend when it's all yeah she. is a know nothing useful limit where she will quote a shot. gun mama then a while and you come back loyally washburn one hundred he could have pulled the gun laws are they going to not straight. they have now or how much solution is a little into lonely actimel slow you let him come a solid in cleveland ohio and rush out yes when you southern i speak wow i mean yes the whole town only had one screw up. when you think of here on how to get to the fulfillment of the research that was going to say. one of the main areas.

if i would be alone i would be able to do much. wouldn't be able to enter. it's such a matter which doesn't depend and i think a push. this is a mistake there are many such research at all this was a very good lead and by that we couldn't really. grouting has been done by a single man who's a utility you know to duty it was created by einstein alone i suppose that i just as i read these beautiful enticed and well the only scientist from pew thinking came to suit new ideas about science i still easy to believe it is partly true i myself didn't make all those experiments but i you did other than me to night do from them certain conclusions but with without those of commitment i wouldn't be able to reach my two. but in history i don't believe that

a single question can change to. only let it is done by the people or be a part of the people it can be done. and if you didn't have the pioneers the first in addition the little book i think can't deny that you had a role and i was of course i was appointed prime ministers have to do something you fear for your country or owes for your little and. that state does not yet exist to begin can thank you very much missing where the finish no not yet no no the ten minutes is to do it became planted wait. now i just started to say it's not just. a shout it while shouldn't it's a good one and ready to go home cooked. the

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