we want to take care of their own business as particularly the commission president stressed as we said everything is still possible our correspondents are based on process and alex perswading with us here thank you both. and we will have coverage for you at the top of the hour. the situation in venezuela could hardly be more complex the united states along with some two thousand countries is backing the new interim leader one way to go russia and china support the incumbent nicolas maduro how's it going to play out my guess this week here in brussels there is plenty of salerno there are always venezuela's ambassador to the european union with the record of appalling human rights abuses does mr maduro deserve to stay in office.

now because some level code there are welcome to conflicts thank you in the afternoon of january twenty fourth in the slum of rebuffs in caracas a twenty seven year old man you hendry fernandez was stopped by police officers at gunpoint and asked if he had a criminal record he replied yes the officers then dragged him into an alley and shot him dead with two bullets in the chest this according to his family and the witness if you are president is doing this to your people why should he stay in office. i don't have any recordings regarding this incident at least not formally so i don't know if if you have a report from the ministry the public ministry demanding that nobody media. what you are stating this isn't the first time such

a thing has been reported by dawn the next day the police the police special action force known as fire has had killed as many as ten people and taken a dozen who did prisoners this according to for the. community leaders there again i ask you if this is what the president is doing if used people why should you stay in office for the first things i have to ensure school records if these are created crimes that are being committed is not the president the one that hour is going to depend on responsibilities are direct and person not the buck stops with him murder of his own people the buck stops with him it always does the panel responsibility and the crime in one is a personal and individual one cannot be an object to collectivity responsibility but secondly these people are never brought to justice secondly only the public ministry is the one is the institution able to announce and those those kind of issues and prosecutions should be done if that is the games that should be reported

to the authorities to be investigated i'm not saying no i'm just saying that the channels are there and the institutions are there to complain and to follow investigations regarding whatever that or whatever crime they happen in any country of these killings which is business as usual wouldn't they and they with julie witnessed by families and communities as the government tended they should be as a warning to other people was that that is joint application of things again the families always have the ministry of public i mean the physically are all pending situations open to make the investigations that are required it's just they don't seem to be moving those investigations and widespread human rights reports i've talked about the community continuing impunity for repeated crimes of this nature over many years this isn't something new one reason it may have happened in the

last couple weeks but this has been a pattern which has been widely documented and reported on by international bodies and countries and human rights reports as well as those in your own country so i'm going to report you to the only body that actually is allowed. are there to follow up this kind of complexities and the reality is not opinions of organizations is i mean they're based on facts great as well that is part of the human rights council in the un and we actually and has been condemned in the humanoid amazon out here all have the wrong information we presented our report less here and we came out with only eleven recommendations and all of them were fulfilled and pretty much the same time as the latest killings were taking place you gave an interview the ones that he was shown happened because i we don't have any people you gave an interview to the magazine cooper socialist in which you said maduro always dealt with the critical situation with love and always with an open hand to dialogue with

the most radical of groups. shooting people in the slums is a sign of the president's love that and his open hand then again you are making your conjecture about a situation you have no thing at least as from now announcing your document that spain whatever claim is you are making in the second hand i have to said yes he handled two very difficult situations of riots where very violent in the country that were promoted by some and a few. parties in the country and those riots were handled with a lot of love and patience and actually kept the country in peace afterwards with all these killings you had you had your claim as well it's not me who is claiming this human rights groups but your present danger of ignored all the warnings that

has been given by the international community including one last month from the high commissioner for human rights un human rights the senior un human rights official who warned him not to repeat what she called the patterns of repression previously documented by the un human rights bodies you claim you got a good bill of health in particular she said the widespread arbitrary detentions restrictions to freedom of assembly and expression and indiscriminate house raids and attacks that is the view of the senior u.n. human rights official she reveals documents we took note of it and i am did nothing about it let me inform you because you are asking me right after this statement made by her she received a formal invitation from the government and it's about to happen the vis a crucial visit of. the country in these next few days do you think she didn't know what she was talking about when she said this is not that is patterns of repression previously documenting errors i wouldn't not even there to say that she doesn't

know what she's talking about but actually the only system that the u.n. has provided it's. to prove what is happening is actually written in the ground and that didn't happen until now that the government actually hand a hand to invite her formally in she is about to go in the next few days as i said according to the venezuelan group for. the number of political prisoners as demeter that in the last year was two hundred and thirty this is a network of defense lawyers who act for free how many more opponents of your president are going to be arrested while he clings to power. the first thing that we need to solve with the foot of canal and all the bodies that are claiming about or making the denounces about political prisoners is the actually the concept of what it is a political crime i don't think that many of the people that are right now being

prosecuted by the public ministry are there because of their political views but actually the nor'easter is where we are over two hundred and thirty at least they are now political prisoners in my country they are really nasty that are reality shyness big reason the friend thing i'll come back to the violence later but i want to draw attention first to an interview which you go just over a year ago in which you claimed proudly that for the last eighteen years venezuela had been showing the world that socialism could work and millions of voltage with their feet and float your country the economy is in freefall with the world's highest annual inflation rate estimated now at one point seven million percent and the un and the organization of american states accuse you of a pattern of repression and this is socialism working means that it is i have to explain why the socialist protest since it let's be honest about it no the only

catastrophic thing is actually the decision made by the go. for many of the u.s. since two thousand and fifteen that declare asked in our country a thread and an. amazing thread for the security of the us and since then acting against our economy and our financial freedoms to be able to handle economically the country so of course even with our circumstances of blockage and right now recently. a more critical approach to our commercial limits. holding actually our goods and our accounts internationally telling the country to be able to trade freely even though in that circumstance of the country is providing to its people when you said that they are millions flying they are a million the left a country that is the number that actually home mind it's one international

organization which is called from the us it's from the organization i will marry and i mean it's very selective you u.n. numbers actually only one point seven according to the recent regional agreement the plan for migration that was agree in geneva in the sender last year talk about one point seven which actually among them is one point seven million is estimated rate of inflation and no one point seven am talking about the migration plan and then i'm going to talk about inflation which of course is a consequence of a blockage that is on bearable for any country you can charge is not just the consequence of a blockage across a common to a common to the economy in more detail in a minute but so far more than twenty countries are demanding that your president holds new presidential elections because the ones that took place last year were widely judged to being rigged were they were rejected by among others the un the

us the organization of american states. and fourteen members of the league with group so i have to correct you the u.n. in the security council the way it was held last week and they didn't have an agreement regarding your point actually it was the contrary they recognized at the security council with the voices of twenty four against fourteen in a debate that was called for the us they actually recognized president maduro as president and they said that the only way that the country could solve their issues was in their own matters and among venezuelans with no intervention when you mention always the region or organiser organization of american sorry exactly the same panorama only nineteen voices where calling the. elections to be on the fine and you know that they need twenty three blue knew you knew the vote was going to be rigged because you refused to accredit international

election monitors didn't show no i have to just then again correct your information actually i can prove that in the early days of last year even the e.u. was formally invited to op serve and the un as well so really the only people who certified your elections was a left wing group called cilla which you are reported to be funding in part or whole new ball economy because of an actuarial organization reward fund which has a record of delivering questionable election results and last may's presidential election bus of the it wasn't the first one you read was it the election of a constituent assembly twenty seventeen which overnight stripped the existing national assembly wallace legislative because it was dominated by the opposition that too was rigged wasn't it no it wasn't actually are the national conference of the a sample it doesn't have the same prerogatives of the national assembly they

are by constitution above all the powers. they have to rule all over all over the powers including the expected power so. it was an election that was called publicly that count also with observers from all over the world is certain countries didn't want to participate of center group of countries they don't want to participate as observers you cannot claim by then that the election is not valid in july now to the carter center which once praised your election system wrote after this election on top of the fact that the election was illegal the electoral council broke every rule in the book of the electoral integrity this election destroyed any vestiges of democracy that might have still existed in venezuela with your friends at the carter center and now it's actually surprising that you just mention the carter center that it was in there in that particular election so i

don't think that those that did not participate in the process as observers can actually claim or creators that it's a process that they didn't. witness it is. very bizarre to say well you know not so in the basis of this was anything to anybody you seem to be living in a parallel world you deny all the accusations that are coming in the ones with real facts if you don't like the real facts that's another issue but i'm just giving you the real facts as they are the real fact is that in twenty eighteen the organization of american states recommend the. international criminal court set its report so there were grounds to believe that your government had committed crimes against humanity didn't cause the was there including murder torture rape and other forms of sexual violence persecution and informed disappearances last february the chief prosecutor of the court opened

a preliminary examination of the evidence fact the organization of americans. sides of the least eight thousand two hundred ninety eight cases of extrajudicial executions committed they said as part of a widespread or systematic attack against the civilian population targeting women because of the opposition or those identified as such thousands of people it said have been persecuted and you seem to ignore no i'm not ignoring i'm just realizing that you are making our very dangerous confusion when you actually speak about the organization at large and you are talking about the executive secretary of that organization it's a different thing there was sufficient consensus to have it referred to the multinational sermon on civil war and censoring it is an opinion and the chief prosecutor opened an examination of the facts small's now the international criminal court will have their time to make their of allegations and they find value and not just up or announce yourself and take positions before even the court

ambassador these are the members of the lima group that have voiced support for the opposition leader one way to go there include argentina brazil counter the chile colombia costa rica guatemala honduras paraguay and peru so when you tweeted last week three solve as you put it the irresponsible civility of europe in support of trumps attempts in venezuela latin america makes its commitment to peace clear you said that you forgot to mention that while most of latin america does want peace it also wants nicolas maduro out but you forget that actually a telecom for example which is a group of fifty in a state court in the other direction so when you talk about latin america and you completely forgetting caribbean region which is part of our region so i thought you know there's the old country she learned colombia costa rica guatemala honduras paraguayan they don't count for anything they have their views and they wear

pronounce them self and they actually participate actively. indeed you made in the security council they were there they spoke they have their voices raised and their claims of where they're on the table at the level of the ministers of foreign affairs it is only that at the security council they didn't guard your transitional straws and versatile to those troops one on one of the worst aspects of this crisis is that you continue to refuse to stand for office of international aid that could go some way to alleviating the poverty and distress of your people which you have imposed on last october experts from the un and the into american commission of rights appealed to your government to act urgently to mobilize necessary and available resources including through international cooperation they said venezuela was at crisis point but you said no so it's clear you don't care about the health of your people as well it's quite clear isn't how much you are talking about the

twenty million dollars that actually the u.s. offer asked last week are you talking about now i'm not i'm sure larry i was offered last october when the experts from the u.n. and the moment the commissioner of rights then i'm going to you to is a classic then i'm going to refer to the office that were made in fifty millions from the european countries are going and they were approved last december to help the border countries that are receiving make grants from venezuela to help them to handle what they call a migrant crisis no one of these euros is being implemented in this region but that is another issue so this is not about the crisis this is about a political decision that was made to strangle our economy and to make us suffer until having a region change that is the only thing that has happened here why do you cover up the full extent of the crisis why your health statistics secret i don't understand your doctor who only are this all being the president of the venezuelan society of

child care and pediatrics surgeon twenty seventeen in some public hospitals he said the clinic. diagnosis of malnutrition has been prohibited i'm not the diagnosis pursue your doctors are being told find some other reason i think usual because the state doesn't like new life thank you for that for raising that point which i think is crucial because i am a mother of course i care about what is happening with children and whichever person that is suffering right now in my country is not the government or whoever is in charge doesn't care is the fact that whenever you find another way is right now the situation and you cannot just ignore it as you ask me not to ignore the positions of certain groups of congress i ask you not to ignore the fact that right now all the international accounts of the country to trade freely are close hauled back to the alice we are not talking about the climate of fear among the dock to new york for the else you are talking about the needs of the

children are you covering up the extent of the crisis in drug use your spin doctor who knowledge is real and there's a real bottom line a minute of fear he said in this kind of government every time you see the truth they tell you you're breaking the law but i'm an old man he said so i've got nothing to lose i am climate of fear and i am are you proud of the work you know i'm quiet i'm quiet as someone that is known by always saying the truth i mean i have made my name on that and i would have being in prison already i always speak my mind and i never would have stayed quiet regarding injustice because that is my formation but i will tell you you cannot request a country to fulfill their needs or their population when you block their accounts when you hold medications in the borders not allowing these chips to iraq to the country right now more recently job hold all the payments for oil which is the first read any of the country which can you would handle economically you you you

you like to blame everyone. else for your problems i know but in the main your economic problems resulted from the almost inconceivable incompetence of your government didn't it we also know that the corruption and drug dealing has now answered even the family members of the president's wife hasn't it directly involved a knockout ics smuggling to a villain a fuse well convicted in the u.s. in twenty sixteen sentenced to eighteen years jail on drug trafficking charges that's how high the corruption goes these days in venezuela's new york combining and i traffic the corruption i mean those are how does it does in the money from one field the other. i mean it's just you are just sorting out around different facts that are not necessarily linked with what is happening right now and you are just trying to drug trafficking is not going to corruption no it's just i'm not saying that this is a legal procedure that had its own path and that accusation and that actually

sentence is now being accused by the lawyer so i'm not anyone to pronounce myself about the legal case that is very very first first because the two nephews from both laura sunflowers the very best they can first their guilt but the trial if if the prosecution actually makes an arrangement and they are free next week are you going to be ready to said differently i wouldn't resources are going to be free i was not going to merge my self-esteem with the man you want to do in which is a legal fact you're living with france and now you're telling me oh well supposing we get released in the future let's deal with the fact that behind bars are the international facts of my own. they were convicted by a court but are you asking me things about. i don't think so if you were just i mean if you want to gossiping with me i invite you got here but i don't think it. is the purpose of having me in front of you to talk about something that can make

us understand each other better with a mallet is of course homo do you think president maduro can hold on now six years i hope because that is what the people european union the european parliament voted to recognize the interim self declared president critical eye going it's not like the parliament voted. now we have france spain germany and britain who have recognized the interim leader as president how long can you go on with this people are defecting from the administration one of your colleagues venezuela iraq defected accusing matter of violating the constitution and his right on air force general in the air force. military trash in washington no military trash in washington is gone how long can you hold on you doesn't depend on that i mean

a president doesn't hold or doesn't hold on because of. contrary ask them or like them or not he's impoverished the country and he subject to the massive repression i remember in two thousand and two. there was a gun temple similar and not as radical and open as the one that is happening right now but actually at the time let me just recall you for what it is. nationally one hundred and thirty five high ranking military. actually said that they didn't recognize president challenged as the president of the country and presidents have to empower until two thousand and thirteen. so when you when you said to military's one ambassador that's their opinions that doesn't make the mark or c. i mean whenever you want to put your views before you have elections to do it and we had it in may last year and the majority of the people who i believe judge jury my president were judged to be why you were pm the contraries half just said if

they like a government or not of a country that it doesn't belong to their system i mean the european parliament isn't even international but you although it's all about that i love the national you will be environmental laws i have any confidence as to talk about recognitions or not is the cause the only one that has the prerogative and actually what thirty come on really any analysis on favor and. wednesday friday last week was actually this proposal of creating a counter group to talk and then to lead to each country to define what the position was going to be regarding the things that are happening in venezuela but let me go beyond that the states doesn't recognize governments there is no legal basis for that more states recognize. dog with the state's time right i'm bassett oliver out of time thanks very much for being all comforts.

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