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with different languages we fight for different things that's fine but we all speak up for freedom freedom of speech and freedom of press. giving freedom. global news that matters w. made for mines. the situation in venezuela could hardly be more complex the united states along with some two dozen countries is backing the new interim leader one way though russia and china support the incumbent nicolas maduro how's it going to play out my guess this week here in brussels there is clarity as salerno there are always very as well as ambassador to the european union with the record of appalling human rights abuses does mr maduro deserve to stay in office.
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now because some level code there are welcome to contracts thank you in the afternoon of january twenty fourth in the slum of. us in caracas a twenty seven year old man you hendry for non-dance was stopped by police officers at gunpoint and asked if he had a criminal record he replied yes the officers then dragged him into an alley and shot him dead with two bullets in the chest this according to his family and the witness if your president is doing this to your people why should he stay in office . i don't have any recordings regarding this incident at least not formally so i don't know if if you have a report from the ministry the public ministry to make that known is. what do i stay. this isn't the first struck such
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a thing has been reported by drawn the next day the police the police special action force knows fire has killed as many as ten people and taken a dozen hooded prisoners according to four local community leaders there again i ask you this is what the president is doing it is people why should you stay in office or the first thing is i have to ensure school records if these are quite the crimes that are being committed is not the president the one that our is going to pay our responsibilities are they are very cumbersome of the buck stops with him murder of his own people the buck stops with him it always does the panel responsibility and the crime in one is a personal and individual one cannot be an objective collectivity responsibility but secondly these people are never brought to justice secondly only the public ministry is the one is the institution able to announce and those those kind of
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issues and prosecutions should be done if that is the case that should be reported to the authorities to be investigated i'm not saying no i'm just saying that the channels are there and they situations are there to complain and to follow investigations regarding whatever that or whatever crime that happened in any country both of these killings were just business as usual weren't they and they with julie witnessed by families and communities as the government tended they should be as a warning to other people wasn't it that is choi interpretation of things again the families always have the ministry of public i mean the physically are open ending situations open to make the investigations that are required it's just they don't seem to be making those investigations and widespread human rights reports have talked about the punitive continuing impunity for repeated crimes of this nature over many years this isn't something new one reason it may. it's happened in the
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last couple of weeks but this has been a pattern which has been widely documented and reported on by international bodies and countries and human rights reports as well as those in your own country so i'm going to report you to the only body that actually is allowed and are there to follow up this kind of complexities and the reality is it's not opinions of organizations i mean they're based on facts it's part of the human rights council in the un and we actually and has been condemned in the human organism here or have the wrong information we presented our report les here and we came out with only eleven recommendations and all of them were fulfilled and pretty much the same time as the latest killings were taking place you gave an interview there once let us show happened because i wouldn't have any pull you give an interview to the magazine in this that which you said my duro always dealt with the critical situation with love and always with an open hand to dialogue with the most radical
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of groups. shooting people in the slums is a sign of the president's love and his open hand then again you are making your conjectures about a situation you have no thing at least as from now announcing your document that sustain whatever claim is you are making in the second hand i have to say yes he handled two very difficult situations of riots where very violent in the country that were promoted by some and a few. parties in the country and those riots four hundred with a lot of loss and patience and actually kept the country afterwards with all these killings you had you know your claim was well it's not me who's claiming human rights groups but your president seems to have ignored all the warnings that he's
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been given by the international community including one last month from the high commissioner for human rights un human rights the senior un human rights official who warned him not to repeat what she called the patterns of repression previously documented by the un human rights bodies you claim you got a good bill of health in particular she said the widespread arbitrary detentions restrictions to freedom of assembly and expression and indiscriminate house raids and attacks that is the view of the senior u.n. human rights official she reveals documents we took note of it and i hunted nothing about it let me inform you because you are asking me right after this statement made by her she received a formal invitation from the government and it's about to happen the visit. to the country in this next few days do you think she didn't know what she was talking about when she said this is not that is patterns of repression previously documented never i wouldn't not even there to say that she doesn't know what she's
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talking about but actually the only system that the u.n. has provided it's. to prove what is happening is actually in the ground and that didn't happen until now that the government actually hand the hand to invite her formally in she's about to go in the next few days as i said according to a venezuelan group for a. number of political prisoners as the major that the in the last year was two hundred thirty this is a network of defense lawyers who act for free how many more opponents of your president are going to be arrested while he clings to power. the first thing that we need to solve with the foot of canal and all the bodies there are claiming about or making the denounce was about political prisoners is the actually the concept of what it is a political crime i don't think that many of the people there are right now being
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prosecuted by the by the public ministry are there because of their political views but actually the law is a serious issue and we are over two hundred and thirty at least they are not political prisoners in my country they are really nasty that are really additions because of the friend thing i'll come back to the violence later but i want to draw attention first to an interview which you gave just over a year ago in which you claimed proudly that for the last eighteen years venezuela had been showing the world that socialism could work. millions of voted with their feet and flood your country the economy is in freefall with the world's highest annual inflation rate estimated know at one point seven million percent and the us and the organization of american states accuse you of a pattern of repression and this is socialism working that it is hard to explain why the socialist pertussis since it let's be honest about it no the only
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catastrophic thing is actually the decision made by the government of the us since two thousand and fifteen that declare asked in our country a thread and an. amazing thread for the security of the us and since then acting against our economy and our financial freedoms to be able to handle economically the country so of course even with our circumstances of blockage and right now recently. a more critical approach to our commercial limits. holding actually our goods and our accounts internationally telling the country to be able to trade freely even though in that circumstance as the country is providing to its people when you said that they are millions flying they are a million left the country that is the number that actually whom it's grown
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international organizations from the us it's from the organization like american i mean it's very selective you u.n. numbers actually only one point seven according to the recent regional agreement the plan for migration that was agreed in geneva and assembler last year talk about one point seven which actually among them is one point seven million is estimated rate of inflation and no one point seven i'm talking about the migration plan and then i'm going to talk about inflation which of course is a consequence of the vba. that is on bearable for any country you can solve just as so as not just the the consequence of a blockage are common to all come into the economy in more detail than a minute but so far more than twenty countries are demanding that your president holds new presidential elections because the ones that took place last year were widely judged being rigged weren't they were rejected by among others the un the
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e.u. the us the organization of american states and fourteen members of the lima group so i have to correct you the un in the security council that debate was held last week and they didn't have an agreement regarding your point actually it was the contrary they recognized at the security council with the voices of twenty four against fourteen in a debate that was called for the us they actually recognized president maduro as president and they said that the only way that the country could solve their issues was in their own matters and among venezuelans with no intervention when you mention or was with the region or organise an organization of american exactly the same panorama only nineteen voices where calling the. elections to be on the fine and you know that they need twenty three you knew you knew the vote was going to be rigged because you refused to accredit international
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election monitors didn't show no i have to just then again correct your information actually i can prove that in the early days of last year even the e.u. was formally invited to op serve and the un as well so really the only people who certified your elections was a left wing group called cilla which you are reported to be funding in part or whole only all the economy which was an actual syrian organization reward fund and which has a record of delivering questionable election was. and last may's presidential election and bust of the it wasn't the first one you read was it the election of a constituent assembly twenty seventeen which overnight stripped existing national assembly of all its legislative powers because it was dominated by big opposition that too was rigged wasn't it know it wasn't actually are the national conference of the a sample it doesn't have the same prerogatives as the national assembly they
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are by constitution above all the powers they have to rule all over all over the powers including the executive powers so. it was an election that was called publicly that count also with observers from all over the world is certain concretes didn't want to participate of center group of countries didn't want to participate as observers you cannot claim by then that the election is not valid enjoy letting the carter center which once praised your election system wrote after this election on top of the fact that the election was illegal the electoral council broke every rule in the book of electoral integrity this election destroyed any vestiges of democracy that might have still existed in venezuela that was your friends at the carter center and no it's actually surprising that you just mention the carter center that was in there in that particular election so i don't think
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that those that did not participate in the process as observers can actually claim or criticized a process that they didn't. witness it is. a very bizzare family no not so in basis or was listening to everybody you seem to be living in a parallel world and most of you deny all the accusations that's coming in the ones with real facts if you don't like the real facts that's another issue but i'm just giving you the real facts as they are the real fact is that in twenty. the organization of american states recommend the. international criminal court sacked its report so there were grounds to believe that your government had committed crimes against humanity didn't cause the flowers there including murder torture rape and other forms of sexual violence persecution and informed disappearances last february the chief prosecutor of the court opened
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a preliminary examination of the evidence fact the organization of american states cited the least eight thousand two hundred ninety eight cases of extrajudicial executions committed they said as part of a widespread or systematic attack against the civilian population targeting members of the opposition or those identified as such thousands of people it said have been persecuted and you seem to ignore no i'm not ignoring i'm just realizing that you are making our very dangerous confusion when you actually speak about the organisation at large and you are talking about the executive secretary of that organisation it's a different thing there was sufficient consensus to have it referred to the national sermon also already and censoring it is an oxymoron and the chief prosecutor opened an examination of the facts so most mouse and international criminal court will have their time to make their evaluations and they find where you cannot just up are now yourself in that position before even the court
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ambassador these are the members of the lima group there are voices report for the opposition leader one way to go there include argentina brazil counter the chile colombia costa rica guatemala honduras paraguayan and peru so when you tweeted last week well i'm afraid solve as you put it the irresponsible civility of europe in support of trump putsch attempt in venezuela latin america makes its commitment to peace clear you said that you forgot to mention that while most of latin america does. peace it also wants nicolas maduro out but you forget that actually common for example which is a group of fifteen a state school in the other direction so when you talk about latin america and you completely forgetting caribbean region which is part of our region so i started you know there's the old guard colombia costa rica guatemala honduras paraguayan they don't count for anything they have their views and they were pronounced themself
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and they actually participate actively in the debate in the security council they were there they spoke they have their voice raised and their claims of where they're on the table at the level of the ministers of foreign affairs it is only that at the security council they didn't guard your traditional strong. clutching at straws one on one of the worst aspects of this crisis is that you continue to refuse substantial offers of international aid that could go some way to alleviating the poverty and distress of your people which you've imposed on last october exports from the un and the inter-american commission of rights appealed to your government to act urgently to mobilize necessary and available resources including through international cooperation they said venezuela was at crisis point but you said no so it's clear you don't care about the health of your people there's no it's quite clear isn't how much you are talking about the twenty million
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dollars that actually the u.s. offer asked last week are you talking about now i'm not trying to show them i was offered last october when the experts from the u.n. and the interim oh no but the mission of rights then i'm going to you to ask them i'm going to refer to the office that were made in fifty millions from the european countries are going and they were approved last december to help the border countries that are receiving me grants from venezuela to help them to handle what they call a migrant crisis no one of these euros is being implemented in this region but that is a. so this is not about the crisis this is about a political decision that was made to strangle our economy and to make us suffer on deal having a region change that is the only thing that has happened here why do you cover up the full extent of the crisis why you health statistics secret i don't understand your doctor who in their eyes is all being the president of the venezuelan society
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of child care and pediatrics surgeon twenty seventeen in some public hospitals he said the clinical diagnosis of malnutrition has been prohibited. i'm not the diagnosis pursue your doctors are being told find some other reason i think usual july because the state doesn't like new life thank you for that for raising that point which i think is crucial because i am a mother of course i care about what is happening with children and whichever person that is suffering right now in my country is not the big over man or whoever is in charge doesn't care is the fact that whenever you find another way is right now the situation and you cannot just ignore it as you asked me not to ignore the positions of certain group of countries i ask you not to ignore the fact that right now all the international accounts of the country to trade freely are cool all hauled back to doing the analysis and not talking about their own children but line it of fear among the dr no your from the else you are talking about the needs of
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the children are you covering up the extent of the crisis in your stream dr who now do see it as a real line image of fear he said in this kind of government every time you see the truth they tell you you're breaking the law but i'm an old man he said so i've got nothing to lose i am planted of fear and i am are you proud of the work you know i'm quiet i'm quiet someone that is known by always saying the truth i mean i have made my name on that and i would be in prison already i always speak my mind and i never would have stayed quiet regarding injustice because that is my formation but i will tell you you cannot request a country to fulfill the needs or the population when you balk at the account when you hold medications in the borders not allowing these chips to i arrived to the country right now more recently job hold all the payments for oil which is the first read any of the country which can you would handle economically you use you
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you like to blame everyone else for your problems i know but in the million your economic problems resulted. from the almost inconceivable incompetence of your government didn't it we also know that the corruption and drug dealing has now answered even the family members of the president's wife wasn't it rectally involved in not caltex smuggling to a van as fuz were convicted in the us in twenty sixteen sentenced to eighteen years jail on drug trafficking charges that's how high the corruption goes these days in venezuela's new york combining and i traffic the corruption i mean those out of the dozen the money from one thing the other. i mean it's just you are just storming around different fags that are not necessarily linked with what is happening right now and you are just trying to drug trafficking is not going to corruption no it's just i'm not saying that this is a legal procedure that had its own path and that accusation and that actually
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sentence is now being refused by the lawyer so i'm not any one to pronounce myself about the legal case that is very very first because the two nephews camp or flora sunflowers the furthest they can first the guilt of the trial if if the prosecution actually makes an arrangement and they are free next week are you going to be ready to said differently i wouldn't be going to be free i was not going to emerge myself still with the man you want to do will ensure is a legal fact militiaman with science and now you're telling me oh we're supposing they get released in the future let's deal with the fact that behind bars are the only international factors for bio so they were convicted by a court what are you asking me things about. i don't think so if you were just i mean if you want to gossiping with me i invite you got here but i don't think it. is the purpose of having me in front of you to talk about something that can make
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us understand each other better with the realities of homo do you think president maduro can hold on now six years i hope because that is what the people european union the european parliament voted to recognize. the interim. president critical eye going it's not like the arab parliament voted. now we have france spain germany and britain who have recognized the new interim leader as president how long can you go on with this people are defecting from the administration one of your colleagues venezuelan ambassador to iraq defected accusing my brother of violating the constitution is his right and our force general in the air force. military trash in washington no military trash in washington is gone how long can you hold don't you doesn't depend on that i mean
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a president doesn't hold or doesn't hold on because of four in contrary ask them or like them or not he's impoverished the country and he's subject to the massive repression i remember in two thousand and two. there was a gun temple similar and not as radical and open as the one that is happening right now but actually at the time let me just recall you for what it is. nationally one hundred and thirty five high ranking military. actually said that they didn't recognize president chavez as the president of the country and presidents have to empower until two thousand and thirteen i hit up so when you when you said to military one ambassador that's their opinions that doesn't make the mark or c. i mean whenever you want to put your views before you have elections to do it and we had it made last year and the majority of the people i really judge during our
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president were judged to be why european contraries half just said if they like a government or not of a country that it doesn't belong to their system i mean the european parliament as soon as you can see a national. you're only talking about that i love internationally it will be environmental law you have any confidences to talk about recognitions are not is the course of the only one that has the prerogative and actually what announced. wednesday friday last week was actually this proposal of creating a counter group to talk and then to lead to each country to define what the position was going to be regarding the things that are happening in venezuela but let me go beyond that the states doesn't recognize over ments there is no legal basis for that more states recognize. dog with the stakes all right ambassador we've run out of time thanks very much for being on comfort's thank you.
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