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garbage crisis. of jordan's ten refugee camps for palestinians this one josh is absolute poorest an estimated fifty two percent of the residents here live under the national poverty line with the recent cuts to an era residents say conditions have reached an all time new low. campus lacking in everything. the santa teresa jew ations very bad shit every day i have to clean the street myself. we knew of to a different camp because it is the largest refugee camp for palestinians in jordan with a population of over one hundred thousand many families have been in the camp for generations here sanitation is not the only problem residents of houses with makeshift roofs like this one are especially vulnerable in the winter months. a father of two says he hoped would help with building expenses but they always cited a lack of funding he was forced to go into debt to pay for this metal cover. but
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i'm a grown up and i can handle this but i was worried for my children all night it would carry them from one room to the other so that the rain would not fall on their heads i had to put buckets all over the house i had no other solution to. get the solution he found it's by no means sustainable water still gets through the house poses many health hazards and the children are at risk of electrocution from uncovered wires. says that when the summer months hit the roof will make temperatures inside the house unbearable he says he feels abandoned with no other option but to hope for a better future. for more on this i'm joined now by uber he filed that report from jordan good to see you so you spoke with say that he should workers who felt the impact of funding cuts the you with relief camps there
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in jordan i mean what were the conditions of the habs you visited so we visited two camps shutters camp and because. as you mention in the report the poorest camp of all of all ten palestinian refugee camps in jordan this is the one that's absolutely poorest with more than half of the of the refugees they're living under the national poverty line of jordan and also. houses a particularly vulnerable group of palestinian refugees namely ones that come from the gaza strip and these unlike other palestinian refugees in jordan don't have a an ideal and i do number provided by the jordanian government and us are subject to much harsher conditions so losing this job for as we saw with the for example we saw in the report it's not just about losing an income it's also takes away their sense of empowerment their sense of agency that they're giving something to to to to their community so these are the conditions and you see the they don't have the numbers that are usually given by jordan is this jordan specific problem.
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with regards to under all i mean under what is a large organization when they were launched back in one nine hundred forty nine they were set up as an emergency agency to accommodate the feeing arab populations from as a result of the arab israeli war and back then there were about seven hundred fifty thousand refugees roughly that they have to. look after fast forward twenty one thousand there are about five million now and these are divided across the middle east jordan lebanon the west bank. syria and the gaza strip and the cuts have been felt across the camps in jordan as we saw but i'm told that the conditions of the gaza strip which has been under a. blockade are much much worse where. the people that are employed by when or where they're really have no other option or resort they've had to cut a thousand contracts in place in the gaza strip and this included this had to include determination of mental health mental health programs for example for
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people that live under a blockade which they disbelieve need so what are people doing there are they trying to leave work and they go i mean like i saw with his just sitting at a cafe doing nothing and leaving is i think something that a lot of refugees there would maybe like but. it's the prospects are very dim when it comes to leaving and also when they come to countries like germany for example of this the chances of a palestinian refugee having their asylum application accepted are are lower because they're not immediately from a from from from a conflict zone so a lot of despair there unfortunately you know last week we talked a lot about the election is is real human and yahoo. being reelected but just the issue of the palestinians being even as a people or the occupied territories the settlements it just seemed like none of that was an issue in the campaigns what does his reelection and the results of this
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election what do they mean for these people anything that's hard it's actually so benjamin netanyahu actually hailed this move when the united states decided to cut to cut funding funding to him because he sees it as an essentially failed institution that failed to reintegrate. housed in refugee populations and having them sort of continue existing in the camps as they were over generations and. that is partially true it is fact that these camps are populated by generations and generations and generations of refugees that is that is a fact but that's also because the people there they have a different perspective they believe that one day they can they can they can return home this is their opinion and this is what they believe but going back to a question about people people leaving i think something that people perhaps missing does this cause and this question is the sustainability of or know what
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actually is a. pull factor for refugees not to migrate and not to come to europe where they might have less perspective because they provide them with jobs they provide them with. stability exactly they provide them with education care jobs projects so there is also an argument that they are giving them hope where in the camps where they are at the moment. where you were he was always appreciate your reporting thank you. and we want to recap our top story for you now and notre dame cathedral in paris is burning tonight a huge fire that started about two hours ago is still raging out of control at this hour the roof of the twelfth century church has collapsed as has the delicate spire that once rose from the center of the roof firefighters are on the scene no injuries have been reported so far french president emanuel has canceled
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a major policy speech that he was scheduled to deliver this evening and he has arrived at the scene initial reports suggest the blaze may be related to renovation work underway at notre dame. and we want to go to paris now journalist john lawrence it is on the line john let's just get back in touch with you and let me ask you what are you hearing since we last spoke about the situation what's going on right now at the site of the cathedral. very interesting stuff coming from the us. as your colleague. underlines. we do seem to see the fine and we didn't seem to see the the jets was trying on the flames and people may be wondering why once seeing planes coming in dropping water on the on the flames as they do on forest fires for
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example in the south of france where the answers come just now from the fire service in a sense they didn't dare drop most of from the plane because they think now that the roof has collapsed that if they were drunk who else are on what remains of the cathedral then the ones who collapse as well say this incredible facade of the of the cathedral. collapses it's. a measurable disaster so that the hoping that they can that they can keep their holes they have been dead so many are firemen inside they've been. members of the fire service have been wanting to go inside but what i'm hearing is that there be disallowed because their decks. they would be going to their deaths. yes if there was a penetrate inside the cathedral right now then the risk of. too high ok so so. putting so many water on
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the flames are they going just to let the fire in a burn through its course until it's burned out. they are putting most on the flames but only strong. from the ground position and also and this didn't companies are cities came from. the internet sitting around they saw. the. towers from where they were projecting on this train so it's just it is the absence of the of the canadair. trains that people money money you know these are these are what we need. to worry about bringing the whole structure down and you know for people who maybe are not familiar with gothic architecture and for how a cathedral would be built i mean what we're looking at right now is is basically
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wood right and this is wood that is since yuri's old and it's now on fire we're talking about a powder keg here aren't we yes you're absolutely right i mean the the main structure of this this cathedral is is would. be holding up just like the house i'm standing now the the the the bins holding up the cathedral roof an aspiring area things will work as well as which all of that has been and that's rash. you know we had reports today from eyewitnesses who said that they could see ash falling from the sky even before they realized what was happening john if you could stay a gut my colleague david levitz here from our culture desk. you know what is going through your mind i mean this is a huge loss this is
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a nightmare brant this is one of those events happens a few times in your life where you just wish this was not true anyone who has ever been to paris will be watching this in total shock this is the most visited site in paris paris being one of the most visited cities in the world and no structure really says paris or france or even europe in the quite the same way that no it's good on cathedral does anyone who has been to paris will remember the first time that they saw this building you know paris is it's a very it's a pretty small city it's got a pretty low profile and you get to the san river and suddenly you are greeted by notre dame cathedral and this is a building that until now has taken people's breath away for seven and a half centuries. re understand that. he is at the scene right now the whole german chancellor angela merkel she has called
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richard a a symbol of european culture i mean it was absolutely let's talk about its significance i mean i did it yes well its significance is in estimable in the estimable any last year and it looks like we're looking at significant loss is going to be a huge blow to european culture the history of not saddam is totally intertwined with french history it is on this tiny island at the heart of the city this is the heart of the city that used to say the island known as the isle of the city this is the birthplace of the french civilization it's the birthplace of french language this tiny island and it's not a coincidence that that is where the monarchy wanted to build enough for them in the twelfth century when they started building it to position paris as the unquestionable capital of france and that is exactly what this building did so it's
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not just a building it has huge cultural significance now from an architectural standpoint this is one of the most distinctive and finest works of architecture in the world particularly gothic architecture and it has been for seven and a half centuries the central spire that's collapsed by the way it was part of the nineteenth century renovation of the cathedral but france has been investing in recent years into sites like notes to attract more tourists they know this is actually what attracts the tourists. not least of which because this building was the place that victor hugo wrote his novel the hunchback of notre dame about i mean it's known to children who have seen the disney movie one of the most famous lights in the world. you know sco has said it is at his side to save and restore notre dame but. i mean what we're seeing right now it looks devastated and we have reported before that the cathedral needed immense
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renovations and it had not taken place the renovations have been you know going on for centuries actually if you like. you know this this statement of unesco's that they are standing by france this is obviously if there's any hope to be had at this time it's that unesco and the french government are already thinking i had there already thinking how are they going to rebuild. when this is over and like i said if there is any source of hope here it is that this building has seen a lot of damage before the huguenots ransacked it centuries ago it was desecrated in the french revolution and there's always been this will to rebuild. so as christians particularly catholics have just celebrated palm sunday they're coming up on easter the celebration of redemption of rebirth perhaps there will be
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a glimmer of hope right now obviously we're looking at absolute devastation you know i mean definitely the theme of rebirth will be very salient this week john piers let me just ask you are you hearing anything about what president mccall is saying or doing we understand he is there at the cathedral. i really need to read. i haven't had to be able to hear what the president's been saying now he he he said these are very moving we're. just in a little earlier on and he was. he was talking about how part of our samples as burnt out of ourselves is burning tonight i was quite touched by these words myself. this is. this is a terrible moment for this country and. you know he's going to be addressing the
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nation he was supposed to be talking politics and i'm going to be talking about this in the numerous catastrophes that you're sharing actually housefull are interested in the future and think yeah i mean it's definitely a situation that no one would have imagined just a matter of hours ago we're looking at live pictures and we're seeing now and now that you know you had mentioned the the water being used to extinguish the flames we are seeing now at least one water jet aimed at the cathedral but you know what is the foremost what is there in the center of this image are these you know these orange these yellow inflamed and the cathedral is still basically engulfed or at least the core of it is engulfed this is something that we're just the work to extinguish this is probably going to take what another good twelve hours or longer what would you say john the divine service
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is saying this is very complicated ones that show hundred. firefighters working on the blaze among them today used planes that were about was going to say. they're going to they're going to do all sorts of questions. over the coming days weeks months about what caused this. also going to be questions i think about how our thoughts it is presumed you know. join it joe in the best possible way it is slightly worrying that we haven't seen no one was touring on. these crazy reason these hundreds of pictures that we b.c. well the think this has something to do with the fact that we are between the palm sunday and easter sunday and which is traditionally a week where a lot of people are on holiday or they're not working i mean it's an achilles heel
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when you're dealing with something that needs public services like the fire brigade or at the school is which determine when most parisians will take their range and have actually started yet there's jealousy next week so that probably isn't one of the one of the reasons to have a christian character and we. you know the death of it doesn't christ. the resurrection and these these services. you know will start his let's christians should not down be cruel most imagine the senator a series of his terrible moments this tightly terror moment in the christian calendar in the shell of notre dame cathedral you know this coming friday saturday and sunday what will it be allowed that close and. well even you bring up
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a very good point because the just the symbolic value there is enormous and you know it is definitely there it presents itself and we can imagine that that . could be the situ the situation this coming sunday have you heard anything john about the your questions about the response of the emergency services in the fire brigade says is there been any questioning of hell they have responded. you know i don't know. again i mean you know people are just. crying you know they're in there and i wish and i think it is a little bit too early to be you know to be raising serious doubts about this but i have not seen this one question isn't times that i've raised i haven't
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seen conditions. you know we we are going to reports that the french foreign minister has said that notre dame may not be safe will sell the i mean that this may be a complete loss is that right my colleague here we are all clear crofton here i mean is that what is that what we're hearing is he saying this could be a complete losses if you the foreign minister is coming across the wires that the foreign minister has said it is quote not certain if it's possible to save north of them. i mean these kinds of fires are extraordinarily they spread very quickly you know they're just as we saw and they are extraordinarily hard to put out vane. they fire departments tend to just have to let these things burn in one because it's not safe for them and too there's only so much that their water hoses and water cannons can do when
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a fire is this how if you think about just we've all made a campfire in our lives and you think when those fires die down and the numbers remain how hot you know those molded these old are and how they're not is how easy it is anyone who's gone camping knows you have to make sure that fire is out of the pool water on it and you can't go to sleep until it's completely out because you can always reignite you know and so that's just a campfire look at these images we're looking at a massive campfire not in a dress but that's the equivalent of what we're looking at in the middle of what we can't see because it's inside the structure and again i i hate to make that comparison to nine eleven because this is not has nothing to do with terrorism as far as we know right now but just structurally speaking i remember the news and the information we learned about what it takes to put out of structural fire of this magnitude and how difficult it is that was the those the trade towers was i think the longest burning structural fire in history i think it took a week for that fire to go i mean as judge and we've been talking about this
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because this is such an old structure of we're dealing basically with wood here we're not talking about a lot of chemicals you know modern day chemicals that may also be part of the calculus here or. are a moron. you're right you're right you're right you know wooden beams are in its wings hours which is very eerie but you know and. no one can accuse you rightly shouldn't be. they should be in travel experience. in the cathedral apart from. history. goes. it's its job are you aware of how many people were actually involved in the renovation that was underway. i don't know i think i don't know i don't know i mean i do know those the i worked on the story mentioned. you
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know the peaceful state here at the cathedral and they're just crying out for looks for help and it's really the city with or see is really where i meet actually made it official appeal. for the merits of france well i mean. now we're we're really serious help i think i mean people in france will be serious help in trying to. but can't carry sixty two recent eight can the can will be saved in a routine. i mean as as you. and i are just sort of say i mean. how do you explain the fact that when the requests were being put out there for the funding to do the renovations that there wasn't much response and the it took a long time to bring in the money and they still as far as we understand this don't have all of the funds they need it was hard to get people to commit the government
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public organizations or public office to commit to renovations for an intraday. sure well. you know the you know the this distaste if you like in this great no or a very nonchalantly separated the church from state. in france it was issued orange the the state come to stacy all of the possessions of the church so it looked like it was they'd and some people as you time you know like they were stealing church prophecy but from today's perspective and what they actually took was an enormous financial responsibility it is not up to the state to maintain all of the churches which means all of these reforms that will follow you know fine you know and i'm sure it's close because he does so and they are responsible for opening the money up an era when there are so many other things to think about
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obviously you know the school year or. health service etc then you know church in a country which is where only six percent of people actually regularly goes church anymore it is not high on this well you say a country that is very secular where few people actually go to church regularly then what does notre dame represent to the french public. well and to think nevertheless that represents then you know it represents who they are because even if they don't go to church they nevertheless know that their culture has comes to a huge degree from christianity and their great exists and their only money news are all churches and amongst a lot of these apps the greatest which is just disappears or is disappearing
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tonight which explains also why it's not completely unreasonable to think that a church like notre dame would be a target if someone wanted to stage it's been in the path of some who is going to and so. you know as this transco cathedral was that it was the target of the terrorists it's not a few years ago and not a damn itself was other than it was an unexplained fire of. a sense of peace church only was it one month ago three weeks ago one month ago. that caused considerable damage not inside that there was a major fire. in parts of these ancient church we don't know what happened there and we absolutely do not want do not know what happened in. the city missouri . john lawrence it appears john we appreciate you staying on the line with this
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this we're sure your insights thank you very much any updates here before i mean the one thing i don't know if it is that the reports are coming through that fire has spread to the towers. which is why i mean i was a scene earlier the images it looked like firefighters are trying to lay down a line of water between what where the roof collapsed and the towers maybe to try to prevent the fire from spreading further and rumors not just at this point it's not just flames that of the danger it's the intense heat i mean i couldn't possibly say how hot it is in there but it is probably hot enough to be burning metal to the melting metal and adding to all the dangers here is the fact that this was under construction there was scaffolding that's it is right for things and you know more things everything burns i think i think i think we we underestimate how quickly things can burn i mean if we just think about in our own homes how how fast things can burn and and here we are seeing it you know what thank you very much. here is
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a reminder of the top story that we're following for you a fire is raging at paris's famed notre dame cathedral the cathedral spire s. collapsed in flames from nelspruit to one of the church's landmark rectangular towers rescue workers have been racing to save priceless fart works contained in the church which is one of the main symbols of french culture firefighters are inside and outside of the cathedral fighting the blaze it's being treated as a national emergency there's no report of any casualties from the blaze that's according to reports. now that has now in the frame of the entire building hundreds of people gathered on the bridge of paris to witness the scene. there today ms nearly a thousand years old and we will be back. every
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this is. from france is a nation in shock. because of notre dame authorities saying there may be no stopping the blaze the flames have already consumed the spying have now spread to the churches iconic change. president is at the scene a part of all of this is burning he said. news starts right now.
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