an intelligence but denied knowledge of the operation. this was notre dame cathedral just twenty four hours ago this catholic church this gothic monument this eight hundred fifty year old part of piers was devastated its famous spire collapsing its roof gutted a fire investigators say the blaze was most likely an accident and not arson tonight there are pledges of more than half a billion euros to rebuild the cathedral can it be done in five years president says it can i bring gulf in berlin this is the day. of the fire that destroyed the town and remind says that our history never ends.

what we think is indestructible. come be destroyed. everything that makes. whether it be material or spiritual it is living and that full franchise we should never forget that. but. firefighters fight with courage and determination. the essential is saved not saddam hasn't burned to the ground. to see this beautiful church the heart of paris in flames touched. also coming up tonight a disturbing report on living. additions for migrants arriving in germany and

seeking asylum the seeking these processing centers are supposed to be uncomfortable and humiliating to motivate those who have no real need for protection to leave the country preferably of their own accord to going to seduce them to the fullest and contributing. to our viewers on p.b.s. in the united states and all around the world welcome we begin the day with a five year plan to rebuild the cathedral of notre dame in paris it has been just twenty four hours since a fire devastated much of the gothic cathedral school work tonight for its president emanuel mccrone says he wants twenty first century technology used to rebuild and restore the damaged and shard twelfth century church all within the next five years and ambitious goal and most likely an expensive one but since news of the blaze first broke last night pledges totaling more than half

a billion euros have been made money earmarked for rebuilding notre dame's on the ground investigators say that the fire was caused probably by an accident and not arson it tonight in paris across france europe and around the world people are still in shock lamenting the loss of an architectural jewel and a symbol of france's heritage. paris the morning after the heroes of not your damn inspect what they were able to save. less than twelve hours before the world had its eyes on them as they paddled to avoid the destruction of the city's most iconic house of worship. they managed to save the eight hundred fifty year old buildings main stone structure but the roof and other parts of the cathedral were ruined in the blaze.

the catastrophe brought life in paris to a halt. the little. groove the old world. with the flames extinguished and the disaster averted it's time to assess the damage to gaping holes sinatra dam sealing and debris as far as the eye can see experts believe the main structure will survive that renovation will be a long and complicated task. between ten and fifteen years seems reasonable to me. and i had a falling minister talk about three or four years but that new case unrealistic just. before starting to restore it will be necessary to secure the site. this will require a lot of work. besides ensuring reinforcement it will be necessary to build a scaffolding with another brother to be able to cover the entire roof to ensure

protection against the elements. beyond being venerated as a masterpiece of mediæval architecture not for damn also housed outstanding examples of western art and holy relics while some of them were lost in the blaze firefighters were able to salvage a great number of the cathedrals treasures among them the holy crown of thorns believed by catholics to have been warned by jesus christ at his crucifixion. it was remarkable teamwork to secure the most precious good six notably the crown of thorns and literally have sent louis which is safe from the city hall the rest of the treasures will be stored in the live for for today or tomorrow as quickly as possible. although arson has been ruled out french authorities say they won't rest until they know what caused the fire. or the public prosecutor was very clear nothing leads us to think that they could be another cause then an accident

so one income but in any case there are currently fifty investigators mobilized and we will be studying everything and the whole truth will be told if it. restoration work was under way yet not true damn when the fire broke out but the company in charge denies any wrongdoing insisting none of its employees were on site at the moment the cathedral went up in flames. well let's take the story out of paris or first find at least lewis is joining me not far from the fire damaged notre dame cathedral good evening to you lisa we know that people are still in shock. over what happened yesterday in fact we're looking now we've got wives pictures of vigils that are being held across pyrrhus maybe we can look at those people coming together in their grief over what was lost in the fire if you could talk to me about the mood tonight it just twenty four hours after the blaze devastated

the cathedral. yes of course well the fear is still cordoned off wildly and people have gathered nevertheless many sides of the cathedral to show their respect to actually express the sorrow for you know for that that fire that went off last night that no one understood no one knows why it happened everybody seemed to be astonished by by that they thought this can't be happening this must be fake news really and then they realized there was really happening and then people came here today to actually look at the cathedral and actually check if indeed it is still standing and many people have been telling me earlier today you know we're really happy that there is something left of not saddam which really represents the heart of a culture of our cultural heritage radio france of europe so many people here feel

some kind of pain but they're also actually standing together and saying we can go through this and we will indeed be able to built this reconstruct this cathedral and that is what we heard this evening from the french president emmanuel back he wants notre dame to be restored and rebuilt within five years that sounds ambitious is that even possible. well it is very ambitious and ambitious some restorers have come out today talking about how long it would take and it doesn't seem to be they don't seem to be agreeing on that actually some people say five years some people say fifteen years some see some actually say even more really depending on to what detail you want to reconstruct the cathedral you want to maybe construct a different project but obviously what in my macaw the president was expressing

tonight as well it was that he was actually really going to reconstruct this this church and that it was kind of a political message meaning you know i can do this i can see this tree and we can do this together. and in just the last twenty four hours lisa there's been more than half a billion euros pledged to help restored rebuild the cathedral what do we know about these donors many of them i understand or the the titans of the french economy but who are these people. well absolutely you've got a mass you've got big companies like. you guys. but also private donors really you know rich wealthy families like the family and then the government different parts of the government regional government local government also ministries are set to begin to rebuild this church the cathedral but obviously

they will also be at the question of liability at the companies that had been lined up to restore that they already have insurance companies but these insurance companies insurance policies only kick in if and when their forward is actually established say investigations are still ongoing there fifty investigators looking into the case the at paris prosecutor's office has opened an investigation and they're actually trying to establish what really happened and to what extent the damage or you know that the cost of the reconstruction will have to be covered by insurance companies you know the final four but it's certainly going to be a very large one and. you know that for sides figure no one is venturing that at least not tonight because of the wish in paris lisa think. there's a lot of talk about rebuilding because the federal but what about the things inside

that were lost the talk about that i'm joined now by lisa regularly she's associate professor of medieval art in architecture and she joins us from the university of virginia professor it's good to see you. talked to me first if you would about what was inside the cathedral last night we knew some things had already been removed for restoration but what was inside and what was lost do we know what relics what were lost last month. wow i don't know that i know entirely from what i'm reading most things seem to have been saved the most important relic of course is the crown of the arms which was powerless to believe that the reason the spire which was saved. and when other treasures is being moved to the loo for safekeeping while restoration process goes on and number of the sculpture is had been brought down also as part of the rest situation process from the roof so quite thankfully those

are also in good condition from what i'm reading to danny the stained glass in particular those rose windows that everyone loves so much in the north and south transept and west side go seem to have held up during the damage as well. and the critical statues that i'm reading involved have all been fine if people really risk their lives to get them on a particular route from the tower but did sense in south florida yet we understand that the firefighters had already been trained to remove pressures artifacts and relics from notre dame and so hopefully i think there were hundred firefighters involved last night in simply removing things from inside the movie but what about the the expertise that is needed to restore artwork sculptures and even part of the the architecture what kind of expertise is

required now and where in the world are we going to find it considering it's been you know hundreds of years since some of these things were created. well there are it's surprisingly enough people still trained in all of these techniques largely because most of these buildings as notre dame was undergoing restoration are undergoing restoration on a regular basis and with that often sculptures are very car. things like pinnacles with kind of crockett's and decoration capitals redone and stained glass restored as well i frequently work at york minster and there are. still masons yard it's filled with people who are able to cut stone to the specifications needed to to reconstruct and restore that building and they're also stained glass workshops where restoration work can be done. here in the united states' national

cathedral which is very much just like st john the divine wanted to emulate a medieval building had craftsmen who could in fact. raploch a good kind of product out of a medieval building you know whether there is highly skilled or not it's hard to say but there certainly are people trained now for this project you're really in and you lot of those people and that will be the question is whether there is how many people there are who can who can be brought to work on this project at one time if indeed they want to get it done as quickly if they're saying well what do you make. of what we heard tonight from the french president and he wants everything rebuilt restored within five years is that ambitious or is that a politician. speaking you know with politics in his mind. i'm sure it's a bit of buzz out there i was reading today that i mean first of all it's premature because we haven't had a structural report that i've seen telling us exactly what the extent structural

issues are i did read that they said the building is not stable i don't know how much this don't work with damage which would mean taking down parts of the walls and restoring them so until you have a full report it's very difficult to say exactly how long it would take the york minster fire in the south transfer there where in fact the vault the vaults were wins for the vault and and they had to be restored that was a four year project but that's just part of. a one branch was rebuilt after the second world war our which was much more badly damaged then. you know hopefully people can go faster that was a twenty year project so five years it's really going to depend on how much money people are willing to put in at one time to make it go that fast and how quickly their actual steam was delivered the issues can be a fast you know you talk about the money there there are lots of pledges coming in so maybe the money will be they would have to ask you as

a medieval art perfessor specialist how does it feel you know we see that they haven't really been struggling to get the money they needed to do the necessary restorations refurbishments and that we've had this devastating fire and now the money is pouring in it must it must be for someone particularly like yourself frustrating to see that you get the means that you need but only after part of it is lost forever. there is a certain amount of irony in this could not your dominance to be noted down is the cathedral of france and of course the central turn of different identity but there are a lot of medieval building follower of your equally spectacular that are struggling because of the cost of just maintaining them never mind restoring them and you know it is slightly like a joni mitchell song you don't know where it lost its gone you know now suddenly people are realizing you know just how critical these buildings are to our sense of history our sense of culture particular french nation. lisa riley is so shit

professor of medieval art in architecture at the university of virginia professor rather we appreciate you taking the time to talk with us and sharing your insights thank you thank you. we're here in germany there's growing criticism of how the state treats migrants who are seeking asylum in twenty eighteen authorities say they considered more than two hundred thousand applications for sila more than a third were rejected but before a decision is ever made migrants can spend weeks or months in what are called holding centers due to be used as a clora valter reports on those centers from in southern germany. behind this fence slice of fifteen slowpoke refugee camp where putas are not allowed inside so full of the residents meet us here because they fear of reprisals

from the authorities they wish to remain anonymous you go to the bathroom and notice that about fifty or even one hundred people are using the same toilet infections are everywhere if i want to see a doctor i have to get up at around one in the morning and get in line but when the clinic opens fifty people are already there and the doctor he only treats twenty a day. how can you survive we're asking germany please help us here moses flat nigeria because of religious persecution he's been living in the camp for a year and a half together with his wife and child including one of his friends shows us footage shot inside the camp up to eight people in one room. showers and bathrooms in terrible condition and cleaned only rarely they tell us.

a. little. bit. when migrants leave the camp they have to hand over their documents inside there's nothing to do no one's allowed to walk several traumatised refugees have already been committed to a psychiatric clinic according to the refugees that's been several suicide attempts . we wanted to take the refugees complaints to the state government but it wouldn't grant an interview only this written statement. the residents of the first and felt boat coding center are coming dated in accordance with current guidelines. on the whole there's plenty of space at the center. the local integration commission of rejects this is sesame and believe that i has visited the come many times he confirms the place is unfit for human habitation and

the long term basis and he says the refugees are condemned to a miserable plight then dust and i asked him what the standards for being up held. there are no standards at all these processing centers are supposed to be uncomfortable and humiliating to motivate those who have no real need for protection to leave the country preferably of their own accord. to do not do the full lawson good for everybody but with every month the refugee spend here the frustration grows fights and protests are part of everyday life at the camp in the beginning the authorities told me that this was going to be a temporary situation but this temporary situation turned into a year and five months according to regulations refugees should either be trans food or deported within twenty four months but groups like the bavarian refugee council report this time limit is soft next seeded all the more reasons they say to

improve conditions in the camp as soon as possible. for more on this political correspondent simon young so i mean these holding centers for refugees like the one to be buried they have been around at war what about. a year or so and they were intended to streamline the application process and how many of them are there. seven senses that were opened in bavaria and summer of last year but in fact actually that means more sites because there are camps and smaller locations like this one dotted around there are also other such senses obviously in the other regional states although there's been a bit of an argument about what they should be cold how many bureaucratic services dealing with refugees should all be bundled in one place what makes sense a lot of these other states have said you know we already had process is that we're working well so we don't need to change them in line with what the government wants but nonetheless this is a system that's been rolled out across the country even if it's the individual

states who are delivering the services not central government do we know are these are all of these centers are they like the ones we saw in the story how much do we really know about what the conditions are inside yet it has been hard to get information as we saw there you know journalists sometimes not been allowed in and even lawyers have been turned away in some cases nonetheless there are i think reliable reports from lawyers and from the refugees themselves who've been able to give information about what conditions are like and they don't paint a pretty picture a lot of these senses are in rather remote out of the way places it's difficult for people to access legal services and then there's been these reports about unsanitary conditions. and satisfactory conditions in particular for women and for especially for mothers with young children children are not getting the schooling that they would want and there are no common rooms for people where they

can sort of develop some kind of normal life and push forward their applications so there's a lot of complaints and a lot of sense that at least in some places there are problems so these are the accusations in the criticisms how has the government respond. it well that hasn't been a lot of response directly what i can tell you is the interior minister has to say have really been driving for with a sort of tough approach to refugees he said last november that you know he thinks this is the white to go the sort of one stop shop and if people need to be sent home that can happen bob wire around the perimeter he says it's working and this is the way to go forward other people say differently and we've we've also heard comments that it's not supposed to be comfortable there or make you want to stay that's also been reported what about the notion that these centers are supposed to be a deterrent for migrants well i think there is possibly something to that as i say has been driven forward by the interior minister as part of his migration last

a plan as he called it which is a decidedly tough approach and of course it's been driven forward by the concerns that some people have that you know the government hasn't been tough enough on refugees and that's partly what's driven the rise of the far right reason used the government says irrespective of that we've got to prove that people who have you know where there's been a deputation order against them that they all going to be sent home but of course a lot of the activists and refugee groups church groups are saying you know this isn't a dignified way to treat people who are in trouble and we need to get a more dignified system so i mean young as always thank you. for the day is almost on the conversation continues online if i just want twitter either at u.w. news or you can follow me at brit golf t.v. don't forget to use the hash tag the day we want to leave you tonight with the sights and sounds of churches around germany their bills rain today in solidarity

with the bells of notre dame to remember whatever happens between now and then tomorrow is another day we'll see you then. for.

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