discovered. subscribe to. my. populist politicians have made fresh gains in the european union this time in the stonier where a far right nationalist party more than doubled its vote in recent parliamentary elections my guest this week here in tallinn is martin helm a deputy leader of the conservative people's party of astounding despite calling for blacks to leave the country he insists he's not a racist what is he then my.

welcome to conference on i'm happy to be here you almost doubled your support in recent elections and you did it by pressing on fears and trying to. enlarge people's fears about being replaced by black such a black invasion that's not true. not true what you just said first of all we almost tripled our faction in the parliament that almost doubled your seats from seven to nineteen and. we are not peddling on fears we are. another day digitas people are being replaced with negroes to father the german of the mother to see only difference with immigrants it is a gross and i don't think so but doesn't tell us very myself an opinion piece he wrote for us the power levels does it and doesn't really even matter because other

matter words matter of that well the point being that we don't want to be replaced in a stone with foreigners who's replacing you last year we saw for two consecutive years we have seen a very large influx of ukrainians russians belorussians mainly through work visas but also illegally we have seen a tripling of the. exaggerated the fears of the slavs communion holds no no no in july last year your party chairman told the story in public broadcasting that twenty two thousand ukrainians were coming to his throne every year yes as the interior ministry pointed out in response to that claim the actual figure was around five thousand six hundred a year no doubt that. as the interior minister says we don't even know because this is the official that's a figure that is still fish a number but they don't even know how many people come in illegally and there is no

no no you know no one no but but we have and so you exaggerate it almost for an hour but we have an estimate which says that we have and we have we can extrapolate numbers from workforce from tax offices we have a general number which is somewhere between twenty and thirty thousand in one ear and also another number we have seen disputed by the gov it's the government. that is have access to the thirty percent of the vote is one of the big yes actually we do have access to statistics and we gathered that statistics from different sources. this is one of the privileges of being in parliament you can. write. questions to different ministers to different offices and statistics and you put the numbers together but also i want to give you a number we've been told that there is no immigration to a stone a no no sizeable immigration to estonia from the third world. well it's

it's small compared to let's say finland sweden germany but within two years we have a tripling of nigerians in estonia let's look at the facts here with the march last year let's look at the immigrants who've been allowed into a stone here to the e.u. quote of. the government by march last year the government had accepted two hundred and six migrants and that time and even eighty eight of them weren't even in the country so not much you had to cope with the massive figure of one hundred fourteen immigrants brought to you well to see of the good list quota system so on the basis of these figures you claim indigenous astonied ends up being replaced by black people not just by bad as it doesn't set but that there are two things we don't as a class but i'm just talking about the migrants well it doesn't make any difference to us this is a guy explosion and sorry this does not make any difference whether they are from

hugh crane or from right here it's the matter that they are not estonians and amanda i am sure my saturating later. on no we are not in the union to set a cap on my reasons our usual under government is lying or not the government doesn't know what its doing but is approved most of the human easy to say government like government does has admitted on numerous occasions that they don't even know how many people have come from ukraine over the past few years they just don't know and then they say but the officer figures here well sorry the official figure doesn't cut it but i wanted i wanted i wanted an important issue isto the up together with latvia is a country in europe with the highest number of immigrant people who we have once third time many of them it's one third one third is not a stone eons now this is the backs you particularly noticeable. no doubt people

when you said it in twenty thirteen if you're black go back and i want to stone me and to be a white country these were your words in turkey thirteen television talk show here precise thailand but i mean were roundly condemned by other politicians including the human rights group here in parliament but eighty percent of stern and we had a there was apologists own eighty percent of estonians agreed with that statement so take it as this event you presented with the statement you would have been you would have won the election you don't win the elections you came third we did very well but i want to us about the status of this visit this was clearly very misses and what doesn't exist. we'll get to the racism issue but this was back when i wasn't a politician in an elected office i was a talking head. commentator show you haven't changed your views have you know exactly so what's the relevance of the low that helen says that when you were being

paid as a talking head you are allowed to say things out or actually you're expected to say things out in a more upfront say well obviously you want us to be and your films if you want to lock go back and as the human rights group in parliament pointed out at the time a call to treat dark skinned people differently from others is an ambiguously racist view what is really in europe nowadays is the replacement of indigenous people that is pure racism and we don't have to agree to that you described in the interview to me where on the grounds of the no i don't it's you do we don't we send you on change your views if you're black go bad as i just explained to you there is no difference to us whether they come from ukraine or nigeria or from any other part of the world i wouldn't like a stone have to be replaced with swedes either i just don't want or i want a stone yet to be estonian and that is as simple as that and if people say that a refusal to partition. hate in an ethnic. collective ethnic suicide

is racism then that word has no meaning left a massive influx of immigrants you said would lead to pillaging and raping of a stone in town as it is migrants can i just ask the question how many migrants from shown themselves to be rapists and religious as you've suggested the way out would be much outweighing well even with the tiny numbers that you just pointed out we have two cases of syrians in jail right now for trying to in light their wives so into so it's turned their bits to two you've tired that is that is what ash and raping and pillaging is one percent of the danger is to do it in ny do they know that there is a massive massive problem with criminality in sweden finland germany u.k. that also qualify yours by what other figure that is brought in by immigrant muslin only trained in there with brushes with what is what one of the figures what are

the percentages of migrants who are involved in drama i don't know of course i do but i don't have each of us predators but in sweden in norway the rape ratios have gone up thousand fold that's not a phenomena thousands of all who says a grown up without the numbers figure out there is a norwegian statistic says to us your. painting strange facts i mean do you know do you just come out you pluck numbers out of thin air it's a big lie do you it's a big no no i've got the figures from the government of the don't trust their government or how so you don't trust them go you have your alternative facts or you don't have to as i just like doesn't trump i don't trust i don't just think that you should trust the government there is a reason why opposition exists and that is to hold the government. to their standard no you know we own the government the fiddles with numbers you point that

out to you you like the trump playbook of. putting your own facts for while it's based on i like trump let's say. speaking of donald trump your holding on to your hands for a billion dollars in military ninety one but you know why why should we bother with you do you know the budget the united states. spends on military aid in one year tell me it's fifty one fifty two billion a year no it isn't that's another forty years and there's forty seven forty eight billion i checked that fact as you well know forty seven forty eight billion over the last forty years they spend a lot of money on it so none of mine it's fifty five it is fifty thousand billion by our count no we don't you're doing your accounting then your accounting is wrong this is these are state department figures on this is the number that our military experts have told us this is the number that doesn't always necessarily leaves

united states because they usually support their allies by basically buying their own military equipment from their own military complex and then giving it to their allies or even more so by buying new military equipment to the united states army and giving the old one to the allies one sure one surely doesn't have to leave united states why why should the us give you money when black american troops in the to unify. back in twenty fifteen were racially abused on the streets of york and not through not go back to your grandparents and nigeria not this was the comment that was started and this was a fake news this has been proven to be a fake news total fake news yes so it was a fake news and it was fake news when madison one of your people said oh if they're worried about being. on the streets they should wear their uniforms so this is not an ass not that boys i know that's not big news that was

a comment taken out of context everything is taken i have come to caution because the media is extraordinary hostile towards us so now you have the victims no no we can examine where our target was something that you said maybe a little bit as a victory as this is there a descent from a certain county basically as if the fighters were never a victim's their fighters were fighting for their stone and people are you fighting for stoning people by trolling and using false names for articles i mean one moment you're the victim of press heris menton press lies and now we discover that. you're setting up fake facebook accounts and challenge. there was a one that specificity is no no matter how little christina and i answered that there was one single particular case of one of our members sending an article an opinion article to

a left leaning newspaper which trashed our party and he wanted to prove that a left leaning newspaper would publish anything that trashes us without any regard who sends it or who it isn't we don't know without any background checks and he was right any other trolling no one has any proof that we are doing any massive trolling what right had to do where you did lie about it when it first came out the party did know about it the pilot about this sort of not untrue the party was not informed about and they said it wasn't true because we could have said we don't know where you can happen so you lied about it no we didn't lie about it the ethics ombudsman to the istana public broadcaster called this fraudulent activity he said if any attempt is made to influence public opinion under a pseudonym this can be justified on the grounds of freedom of expression rules ishaq public decision i will be on the grid with them but i know my business because people write on the pseudonyms all the time people write all the time

doesn't mean. well if we all do it why we are singled out but where there is no proof and there is no real there is no real operation on our part to have a massive army of trolls what we do have is a very motivated and quite large. number of people in facebook who support us wholeheartedly and do it under their own name in january you called on the police to do more to contain all the people who were attacking and threatening the whole party. do you think we shouldn't do think we shouldn't report and then transfer all in july into think that we're the ones who shouldn't report death threats and you warned you might take measures into your own hands what did you mean well for instance we have to we actually have had to hire bodyguards for top people in public events because we're not sure that the police

can handle it you've been associating with the so-called soldiers of odin not an immigrant group founded by man who was we have to have. yes well first of all what i want to say about soldiers over there in. this is not a group this is a bogeyman for the left. they have done nothing wrong why should they be demonized but we have no official ties to the whatsoever they have appeared in the number of rallies attended by your party torchlight procession is the mark of stars on this is a public square this is a public event why shouldn't they be there they are patriots this was in the forces will be no order no no we have to be sixteen the prime minister thought so he said in the republic of a stand there know and order is in force by this tony and police self-proclaimed gangs don't increase in stone in people's sense of security in any way rather the opposite well it was

a political debate where the prime minister and then prime minister was trying to score political points but again. something you would never know another was this is something that everyone does that's my point but demonizing patriotic people who are concerned very concerned about the public safety is it below a prime minister you demonize judges tend to demonize no i don't diminish as i tell you oh i do so don't see my religious who do politics human who did that three talent circuit court judges women female judge should be fired should be fired absolutely wanted their heads to roll here that's an expression of this because the judges allowed a same sex marriage to be entered into the register a real it directly breaking a stone your law by doing that and you set out to threaten them i set the they sure were sufficiently and so threatened i said do these people are no judges they have broken the law and they have actually done something much worse they have wandered

into the territory of parliament and they should not be allowed to continue being judges you and i still don't throw democracy want more democracy want to go around threatening people that you disagree with i want to through time right israel you really think that. churches should be able to break laws and make laws that they like then we have a very different opinion what the democracy your blackman's were condemned by the chief justice of the supreme court and the president both condemned your statement here you remove the march liberals you it doesn't matter does or doesn't but of course it does and also to do so automatically wrong imo because they let you all know that magically bush ition they like the decision but their decision was a political decision judges should not be making laws this is breaking the separation of powers they are absolute they are a disgrace to the office and you didn't mind the fact they were women's world the

issue you said i want a threat to be heard from this rostrum i want their heads to roll because it cannot be that some women this is very dismissive of women is that some women come together and just change dystonia nords would you have reacted differently if the judges have been men no problem i don't know you cannot show no not to show i mean i would probably have used some other dismissive but my contempt towards those people is still the same the contempt was enlarged by the fact that there were women was no that's your opinion that's not that's the group you just assume it. your face so something else you are i want to protest this i were married man i have four daughters not just that i have to do my own thing for the love of god to do with only to want as i have two sisters i have utmost respect for women i have never haver treated women with anything but respect but i do not like when

judges take laws into their own hand. you had a good election results matter how many but in the end it still wasn't as big as you wanted was it not as close you didn't you didn't win the election you overestimate your appeal i don't think we expected expected or ever expressed that we expected to win the elections even by scaring people people are scared anyway let's look at the first week in january this year your father the party chairman warned of a dire international plots that the set of confederation of leaders were aiming to turn the united nations into a world government by twenty thirty this is what dung trump stands against this is what we stand against this with you this is nonsense that someone who doesn't have a shred of evidence to. judge how do you not read the market treaty the markets treaty basically says that everything concerning gratian should be the prerogative

of united states. and i do nations so this is love government by twenty third don't make any sense of what i'm dane don't make any secret of their desire to pull power to you know there are lots of people who do lots of things you said a wad of government buy it why do you think this is a baltic ferry there's no no we are in and how many avenues we are sovereign ists we are against any attempts to take away power from the nation states you talked about a plot there isn't a plot is that how do you know oh how did oh how can you believe what you are the ones who talk about it so you chuck any old nonsense into the mix and expect people to believe it there's no plot you haven't won a shred of evidence for that do you beg to differ everything i have in c i think the entire history of the united nations shows you that they are bent on taking power so it's an intention. isn't the isn't the patients matter don't or isn't the

real plans where they come from then in reality is stone millions don't seem to care much at all about your plots and conspiracies do the coding to canda more published in the most last november the top fear among almost twenty percent of those polled was that radicals in populists come to power. one second and the third fear was i'm talking about this is the you know what on second try says many of those who cared about mass immigration twice and this is second was immigration right third third ok but the first close at a state of the facts and right i can't remember any poll that was done in november but the point is that the immigration was all also in top of those concerns i don't share your views about a lot of things the e.u. for instance you know views about the e.u. . conducted show that a massive seventy five percent of the stone eons agree that the showing an area has more value to some ten disadvantages for your making you making

a simple mistake we don't go by the polls we do what we do because we believe in it and only go by and we mobilize enough people to support our course and we don't care who is against us what matters is what the support for us is of course when we get twenty percent there are eighty percent who don't vote for us but that's the logic of every party the one who just won the parliamentary election after seventy percent of the seventy something percent is against. you're out of touch with the mainstream then aren't you we are the mainstream and we don't really we are doing stream minister barking at the e.u. accuse and using it of becoming totalitarian hasn't it hasn't it quite a newborn i personally most people don't like european union that all look modeled on love really seventy one percent were very or fairly optimistic about the united church of the sixty six percent agreed the e.u.

was a place of stability in the troubled world that sounds very much as though they like and who who commissioned that poll you're a barometer you know exactly you know this is not only a lot of there's a lot of negativity unionized and like us and there they do like us there is a consistently also nothing was i wrong no no no but you get in there are two what you why do you question your economic figures. not there's no doubt about them or the twenty seventeen and stefania member of the european union your g.d.p. grew by a massive four point nine percent that's a good result inside the e.u. . but inside the e.u. has been good for your economy not a question hasn't of course it hasn't i mean really the point nine percent growth in g.d.p. isn't the good result that you didn't notice to twenty percent drop during the two thousand and nine and ten twenty percent. and what you think i want other countries

doesn't but now does it now european union has no business but you have to hark back to the g.d.p. growth this european union has for preventive constituted the other has nothing to do with one of the fastest growing we can't have it in you're going to have your harking back to figures ten years ago here but ten years where you are in the middle of a class where the recession and it was in my sisters and seven there was a very good global year for growth as well i mean you can't have it both ways we were in your opinion in ten years ago and we were we were a country the most with the most horrid loss of g.d.p. everybody lost yeah but they lost most everybody we were the we were the worst in the indian people. but let's bring in economics you say you really want to say there is a. european union is stable in your mind so they're saying we we see a different world you say it's like the soviet union exactly which is exciting to those countries know was included here that lived up to refresh and happened to

remember the soviet union and i had some particular smiles and says no it isn't we haven't lived under the soviet road might not recognize the trends but the trends are unmistakable margarine and oppression that characterized the soviet union did not we do not know if you actually wanted to murder in the pen. nudity pin because you were saying the wrong things in public this is precisely what happened this is going to. come to her house the house. is the same and the hellenists this. exactly did you do have you not noticed the people have been put into prison prison in europe in europe for hate speech this is censorship this is the same message was in the you and i was on here about what i saw i was in the country who's most at home it's been good to have your conference so. thank you i was up. six.

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