down loans. from soup. to. interactive. writing about d.w. dot com documented on facebook and the. w. . populace politicians have made fresh gains in the european union this time in the stonier where a far right nationalist party more than doubled its vote in recent parliamentary elections my guest this week here in tallinn is martin helm a deputy leader of the conservative people's party of his stony despite calling for blacks to leave the country he insists he's not a racist what is he then. welcome

to convert so i'm happy to be here you almost doubled your support in recent elections and you did it by pressing on fears and trying to. enlarge people's fears about being replaced by black so much of black convention that's not true. not true what you just said first of all we are almost tripled our affection in the parliament that almost doubled your seats from seven to nineteen and. we are not peddling on fears we are. another daily digitas people are being replaced with negroes that's for sure no father the chairman of the mother to see any difference with immigrants and i don't think so but it doesn't bother us very myself an opinion piece he wrote for us though does it and doesn't leave even matter because other matter words matter

of that well the point being that we don't want to be replaced in a stone with four of us who's replacing you last year we saw for two consecutive years we have seen a very large influx of ukrainians russians belorussians mainly through work visas but also illegally we have seen tripling of the. exaggerated the fears of the slavs communion holds you no no no in july last year your party chairman told a study in public broadcasting that twenty two thousand ukrainians were coming to his throne every year yes as the interior ministry pointed out in response to that claim the actual figure was around five thousand six hundred a year no doubt that. as the interior minister says we don't even know because this is the official and that's a figure that is still fish a number but they don't even know how many people come in illegally and it is they

and the you know the but but we haven't so you exaggerate it almost for an hour but we have an estimate which says that we have and we have we can extrapolate numbers from workforce from tax offices we have a general number which is somewhere between twenty and thirty thousand in one ear and also another number we have seen disputed by the gov ok well it's the government. that is have access to the second one only that is one of the big yes actually we do have access to statistics and we gathered that statistics from different sources. this is one of the privileges of being in parliament you can. write. questions to different ministers to different offices and statistics and you put the numbers together but also i want to give you a number we've been told that there is no immigration to a stone a no no sizeable immigration to estonia from the third world. well it's

it's small compared to let's say finland sweden germany but within two years we have a tripling of nigerians in estonia let's look at the facts here with the march last year let's look at the immigrants who've been allowed into a stone here to the e.u. quote of. the government by march last year the government had accepted two hundred and six migrants and that time even eighty eight of them weren't even in the country so now last march you had to cope with the massive figure of one hundred and fourteen immigrants brought to you to see of bigger lives and quota system so on the basis of these figures you claim indigenous dystonia ends up being replaced by black people not just by bad as it turns out and as i said there are two things we don't as a class but i'm just talking about the migrants well it doesn't make any difference to us this is a guy explosion a little sorry this does not make any difference whether they are from hugh crane

or from radio it's a matter that they are not a stone ians and but i am sure my saturating well if you. don't know we are not in the area and has set a cap on my reasons our usual under government is lying or not the government doesn't know what its doing but is approved most of the human easy to say government like government does it has admitted on numerous occasions that they don't even know how many people have come from ukraine over the past few years they just don't know and then they say but officer figure is here well sorry the official figure doesn't cut it but i wanted i want to i want to stress an important issue estonia together with latvia is a country in europe with the highest number of immigrant people who we have once third time many of them it's one third one third is not a stone eons now this is the backs you particularly notice lying. nope i said it in

twenty thirteen if you're black go back and i want to stone me and to be a white country these were your words in turkey thirteen television talk show here . but i mean were roundly condemned by other politicians including the human rights group here in parliament but eighty percent of stern and we had a there was apologists own eighty percent of its tone and agreed with that statement so take it as this event to present that agreement stoneman you would have been but you would have won the elections you don't win the elections you came first we did very well but i want to us about this. very misses and what. we'll get to the racism issue but this was back when i wasn't a politician in an elected office i was a talking head in a commentator show you have sold your views have you know exactly so what's the relevance of the lower the allowance is that when you paid as

a talking head you are allowed to say things out or actually you're expected to say things out in a more up front so you will obviously you want us to be a few of us black go back and as the human rights group in parliament pointed out at the time a call to treat dark skinned people differently from others is an ambiguously racist view what is racism in europe nowadays is the replacement of indigenous people that is pure racism and we don't have to agree to that point in the interview we were on the grounds of the no i don't miss you don't know we don't we send you on change your views if you're black go bad as i just explained to you there is no difference to us whether they come from ukraine or nigeria or from any other part of the world i wouldn't like estonia to be replaced with swedes either i just don't want or i want estonia to be estonian and that is as simple as that and if people say that a refusal to partition. hate in an ethnic. collective ethnic suicide

is very system then that word has no meaning left a massive influx of immigrants you said would lead to pillaging and raping of a stone in town as it is migrants can i just ask the question how many migrants from shown themselves to be rapists and legit as you've suggested but we are talking about weighing whether even with the tiny numbers that you just pointed out we have two cases of syrians in jail right now for trying to in light their wives so into so it's turned their bits to two you've tired that is that is what i show and raping and pillaging is one percent of the dangerous road does it in ny do they know that there is a massive massive problem with criminality in sweden finland germany u.k. that also qualify yours by what other figure that is brought in by immigrant muslin only paint in their brushes what is what what are the figures what are the

percentages of migrants who are involved in drama i don't know the course i do but i don't have each of us predators but in mean in norway the rape ratios have gone up thousand fold that's not a phenomena thousands of old who says a grown up without the numbers figure there is a norwegian statistic says to us your. painting strange facts i mean do you know do you just come out you pluck numbers out of thin air well it's a big lie do you it's a big no no i've got the figures from the government i got the guy you trust the government oh how so you know i'm just the girl you have your alternative facts or you don't have just like donald trump i don't just i don't just think that you should trust the government there is a reason why opposition exists and that is to hold the government. to the standard new you know we're going to government the fiddles with numbers you point that out

to you you like the trump playbook of. putting your own facts forward i lace based on the i like trump that's a specific speaking of donald trump your holding on to your hands for a billion dollars in military one but you know why why should we bother with you do you know the budget the united states. spends on military aid in one year tell me it's fifty one fifty two billion a year no it isn't that's another forty years of those forty seven forty eight billion i checked that fact as you well know forty seven forty eight billion over the last forty years they spend a lot of money on it so none of mine it's fifty five it is fifty there's not any and by our count we don't you're doing your accounting then your accounting is wrong this is this us state department figures on this is the number that our military experts have told us this is the number that doesn't always necessarily

leaves united states because they usually support their allies by basically buying their own military equipment from their own military complex and then giving it to their allies or even more so by buying new military equipment to the united states army and giving the old one to the allies one show one surely doesn't have to leave united states why why should the us give you money when black american troops in the. back in twenty fifteen were racially abused on the streets of york not true not go back to your ground parents and nigeria not this was the comment that was a child to the and this was a fake news this has been proven to be a fake. total fake news yes so it was a fake news and it was fake news when madison one of your people said oh if they're worried about being. harassed on the streets they should wear their uniforms so this is not an mass about that because i know that's not fake news that

was a comment taken out of context everything is taken out of context and because the media is extraordinary hostile towards us so now you have the victims i know you know we can examine the target was something that you said and maybe it's a little bit as a victory as this in there i descend from a certain county basically as if the fighters were never victims their fighters were fighting for their stone and people are you fighting for a stone in people by trolling and using false names for articles i mean one moment you're the victim of press heris minton press lies and now we discover that. you're setting up fake facebook accounts and challenge. there was a one that specificity is no no matter how little christina and i answered that think that was one single particular case of one of our members sending an article an opinion article to a left leaning newspaper which trashed our party and he wanted to prove

that a left leaning newspaper would publish anything that trashes us without any regard who sends it or who it is and without know without any background checks and he was right any other trolling no one has any proof that we are doing any massive trolling what my mom had to do where you had to lie about it when it first came out the party did know about it the pi lied about this sort of not untrue the party was not informed about and they said it wasn't true because we could have said we don't know. nothing so you lied about it no we didn't lie about it the ethics ombudsman to the istana public broadcaster called this fraudulent activity he said if any attempt is made to influence public opinion under a pseudonym this can be justified on the grounds of freedom of expression of the shack public decision i would have gone to great with him but i know my business because people write under pseudonyms all the time people write and all the time

doesn't make it. well if we all do it why we are singled out but where there is no proof and there is no real there is no real operation on our part to have a massive army of trolls what we do have is a very motivated and quite large. number of people in facebook who support us wholeheartedly and do it under their own name in january you called on the police to do more to contain all the people who were attacking and threatening the whole polity. do you think we shouldn't do think we shouldn't report and then trends warned you my intent that we're the ones who shouldn't report death threats and you warned you might take measures into your own hands or did you mean well for instance we have to actually have had to hire bodyguards for people in public events because we're not sure that the police can handle it

you've been associating with the so-called soldiers of odin. immigrant group founded by man it was really hard to have. yeah well first of all what i want to say about soldiers over the n is. this is not a group this is a bogeyman for the left. they have done nothing wrong why should they be demonized but we have no official ties to the whatsoever for they have appeared in a number of rallies attended by your party torchlight procession to marcus this is a public where this is a public it worthwhile shouldn't they be there they are patriots this was in the forces will be no order no no we will have to be sixteen the prime minister thought so he said in the republic of a stand there know and order is in force by this tony and police self-proclaimed gangs don't increase the stone in people's sense of security in any way rather the opposite well it was

a political debate where the prime minister then prime minister was trying to score political points but again. something you would never know another was this is something that everyone does that's my point but demonizing patriotic people who are concerned very concerned about the public safety is it below a prime minister you demonize judges to demonize no i don't demonize as i tell you i do so don't see my religious who do politics humanity and then three talented circuit court judges women female judge should be fired should be fired absolutely wanted their heads to roll here that's an expression of this because the judge is allowed a same sex marriage to be entered into the register a little it directly breaking gastonia law by doing that and you set out to threaten them i set though they sure were significantly and so threatened by certain jewish people are no judges they have broken the law and they have actually

done something much worse they have wandered into the territory of parliament and they should not be allowed to continue being judges you know i stand by that for democracy want more democracy i want to go around threatening people that you disagree with i want to through this through time reasons really really think that . churches should be able to break laws and make laws that they like then we have a very different opinion what the democracy your blinds were condemned by the chief justice of the supreme court and the president both condemned your statement near you remove the march liberals you it doesn't matter does or doesn't but of course it does and it is so liberal that automatically wrong because they let you all know that magically bush ition they like the decision but their decision was a political decision judges should not be making laws this is breaking the separation of powers they are absolute they are a disgrace to the office and you didn't like the fact they were women's world or do

you said i want a threat to be heard from this rostrum i want their heads to roll because it cannot be that some women this is very dismissive of women is that some women come together and just change dystonia nords would you reacted differently if the judges have been men no problem i don't know you and i'll show no the show i mean i would probably have used some other dismissive but my contempt towards those people is still the same the concept was enlarged by the fact that they were women was no that's your opinion that's not. you just assume it. your face says something else you are i want to protest this i remarried man i have four daughters notice that i have to do my having are thousands of them got to do with wanting to want to have two sisters i have utmost respect for women i have never haver cheated women with anything but respect but i do not like when judges take

laws into their own hand. you had a good election results matter how many but in the end it still wasn't as big as you wanted was it not as close you didn't you didn't win the election you overestimate your appeal i don't think we expected expected or ever expressed that we expected to win the elections even by scaring people people are scared anyway let's go look at the first week in january this year your father the party chairman warned of a dire international plots that the set of confederation of leaders were aiming to turn the united nations into a world government by twenty thirty this is what dung trump stands against this is what we stand against this with you this is nonsense that someone who doesn't have a shred of evidence to show that you have to do not read the market treaty the markets treaty basically says that everything concerning gratian should be the prerogative of united states sorry united nations so this is this is one of the

government by twenty third don't make any sense of well then don't make any secret of their desire to pull power to you know there are lots of people who do lots of things you said i don't understand a word of government by twenty third this is a baltic ferry no no we are you know many haven't of us we are sovereign ists we are against any attempts to take away power from the nation states you talked about a plot there isn't a plot is that how do you know of how do you know how can you believe what you are the ones who talk about it so you talk any old munson's into the mix and expect people to believe them there's no plot you haven't won a shred of evidence for that do you beg to differ i never see anything see i think the entire history of the united nations shows you that they are bent on taking power so it's an intention. isn't the reason the pensions matter don't or isn't the

real plans where they come from then in reality instead millions don't seem to care much at all about your plots and conspiracies do the coding to canda more published in the most last november the top fear among almost twenty percent of those polled was that magic populists come to power through the last second and the third fear was i'm talking about this and you know what a second twice as many as those who cared about mass immigration twice and the second was. right third third ok but the first close enough state of the facts and right i can't remember any poll that was done in november but the point is that the immigration was all also in top of those concerns who don't share your views about a lot of things the e.u. for instance you know views about the e.u. . conducted showed that a massive seventy five percent of the stone ians agree that the showing an area has more advantages than disadvantages for your making you making

a simple mistake we don't go by the polls we do what we do because we believe in it don't even go by and we mobilize enough people to support our course and we don't care who is against us what matters is what the support for us is of course when we get twenty percent there are eighty percent who don't vote for us but that's the logic of every party the one who just won the parliamentary election after seventy one percent of the seventy something percent is against. you're out of touch with the mainstream then aren't you we are the mainstream and we don't really we are going into a minister barking at the e.u. accuse and using years of becoming totalitarian hasn't it hasn't it quite a newborn i personally most people don't like european union that all look modeled on love really seventy one percent were very or fairly optimistic about the united church under sixty six percent agreed the e.u.

was a place of stability in the troubled world that sounds very much as though they like and who who commissioned that poll you're a barometer exactly yeah those are not only a lot of there's a lot of negative unionised he has like us in there they do like us there is a consistently also nothing was i wrong no no no but you get on there are three what you why do you question your economic figures. not there's no doubt about them other twenty seventeen. member of the european union your g.d.p. grew by a massive four point nine percent that's a good result inside the e.u. . but inside the e.u. has been good for your economy not a question hasn't of course it hasn't i mean obviously the point nine percent growth in g.d.p. isn't a good result you didn't notice to twenty percent drop during the two thousand and nine and ten twenty percent of what what you think the two other countries doesn't

but now does it now european union has no business where you have to hark back is it only where the g.d.p. gross its european union is for preventing france it's you're going to have it has nothing to do with one of the fastest growing we can't have it all of the ways in you're going to have your harking back to figures ten years ago here but ten years where you are in the middle of a class where the recession and it was simple i saw two thousand and seven there was a very good global year for growth as well i mean you can't have it both ways we were in your opinion in ten years ago and we were we were a country the most with the most horrid loss of g.d.p. everybody lost yeah but they lost most everybody we were the we were the worst in the in the in. a but let's bring in economic view to say you really want to say there is a. european union is stable in your mind so they're saying we we see a different world you say it's like the soviet union exactly which is exciting to those countries know was included here that lived i remember actually happened to

remember the soviet union and i had some pretty negative smiles and says no it isn't who haven't lived under the soviet rule might not recognize the trends but the trends are unmistakable margarine in a fashion that characterized the soviet union did you learn we do not know if you actually wanted to. nudity been because you were saying the wrong things in public this is precisely what happened this is going to only come to the house the harassment is the same and the handsomest the. exactly did you do have you not noticed the people have been put into present prison in european union for hate speech this is censorship this is the same as it was indian i was i was a star wars in the country who's most at home it's been good to have your conference. thank you time's up.

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